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Title: new truck?
Post by: natedawg120 on July 18, 2006, 05:45:32 AM
Hey all, I am looking for a used truck so that i can haul the bike on long trips and me and the fiance can ride together in the truck.  My original plan was to find a good used import because I don't need a huge truck and would like to get a little better MPG.  Basically I have desided that i would like a Toyota Tacoma because it has everything that I need and gets great gas mileage for a truck.  The only problem that I had is that I wanted to buy used and any fairly recent Tacoma is selling for big bucks.  Like the best one that I saw was an 01 xtra cab, 4cyl, 5spd, 4x4, 71400 miles for 16900.  Now mind you this is used and now warranty aside from the usual deal 30 day.  I can go to the dealer and get a brand new reg cab 4x4 with the standard options package for 19750 or somewhere there abouts.  So what would you do keep searching for a used pickup that is cheaper and probably american built or go with a new vehicle?
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: Alphamazing on July 18, 2006, 05:56:24 AM
My father got an '02?? Tacoma XCab 4cyl 5speed without 4x4 with low miles (20k, maybe???) for $10k. Look around, you can find better deals than that.

Also - the Tacoma is in-f%$king-destructable.
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: natedawg120 on July 18, 2006, 06:38:15 AM
Around here they are hard to find used and for a decent price.  Dealers have then but they are charging out the but.  I have been looking everywhere and havn't seen one under 12k that didn't have over 120k miles.  For example there was a 97 with 188k miles for 11,000.  Curiousity got me and i called and said i would give him 9 cash for it if it met my expectations, cause 188K is a lot of miles.  He said hell no my price is firm.  And 2 WD trucks are hard to find around here cause of the winter, there are a lot of bad roads that you need a 4x4 in the winter.  I am going to keep looking but i don't want to buy something with high miles just because the something will break or someone didn't take care of it like they should have. 
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: blue05twin on July 18, 2006, 07:26:05 AM
Same problem down here.  It's up to you really either keep looking eventually you will find a good deal.  Or just bite the bullet and get a new one for the few thousand more.

Took my friend about 4 months to find a good used one at a resonable price.   
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: natedawg120 on July 18, 2006, 07:37:41 AM
yeah, i am going to keep my eyes open.  Just need to get a second cage before mid August.  My fiance uses mine for her work and all i got is the bike since her parents gave the car that she was using to her brother who is just starting college.
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: scottpA_GS on July 18, 2006, 08:23:23 AM
I bought an 89 toyota 4X4 Pickup for $500!!! last year :thumb:

It is in sweet shape.. had 89,000 on it when I got it. Runs like new.. even the AC works GREAT! And it hauls the GS like a champ  :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: ashman on July 18, 2006, 09:02:12 AM
A 4wd TACO will not get much better then 20 mpg. I drove a 98 reg cab 2wd 2.4ltr 5spd TACO and averaged 23 MPG. Nissan hardbodys are pretty cheap and reliable, back in 97 or 98 when they redesigned and called them the Frontier the value of the older models dropped and in 01 or 02 when they changed it again, the 1st gen Frontiers got pretty cheap, G'luck

-ash
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: ryusan on July 18, 2006, 09:23:43 AM
I have a 1994 Toyota Pickup 2WD.  It's the one right before tacomas came out.  I bought it for about $3K and 130,000 miles on the odo.  I've had it for a while now and it's probably the most reliable vehicle I have ever owned.  The only thing you have to do to the truck is switch out the timining chain ($$$) at around 150,000 to 200,000 miles and your good to go for another 150k to 200k.
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: blue05twin on July 18, 2006, 09:45:45 AM
Totally different vech.  Saturday we also went to the Honda dealer took a look at the Ridgeline.   They were offering 5K off sticker prices on the 06's with 2.9-4.9% financing about the same gas mileage at the Tacoma he's getting the basemodel for 21K OTD.  Just a thought.

All Ridgelines are 4x4.
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: Stephen072774 on July 18, 2006, 09:58:50 AM
Quote from: blue05twin on July 18, 2006, 09:45:45 AM
All Ridgelines are 4x4.

Automatic all-wheel drive... its really a front wheel drive
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: blue05twin on July 18, 2006, 10:09:03 AM
Damn more false advertising from an Auto maker  :laugh:  I got the 4x4 from the ridgeline booklet  :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: manofthefield on July 18, 2006, 10:37:20 AM
I bought by 98 Tacoma 4wd TRD 2 years ago with 111000 miles on it for 8600.  I think I could sell it for more today.  It usually gets 17-21mpg and I even saw 23 a couple weeks ago on a trip.  Recently it's crossed my mind to sell it since I take my bike or the bus to work and I usually drive the GF's car everywhere else.  I figure I could get a cheaper car or 2wd truck and bank some $$ since I don't get to take the TRD off road anywhere around here and I'm not moving as often as I used to.  I'll probably hold off for a bit though

More related to this post, If I were to get a 2wd truck, my first choice would be an older Tacoma, but I would also strongly consider a ford Ranger... they've made millions of them and AFAIK they are pretty reliable, even though I tend to avoid american cars.  I hadn't thought about it before, but I would probably consider an older Nissan pickup like ashman suggested too
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: natedawg120 on July 18, 2006, 10:40:44 AM
I am looking at nissans too, there are fewer of those around here than the toys and any one of the two that are under 8k have been beaten up and have really high miles.  I would like to keep to a lower mileage vehicle since if i get one that still has some sort of value to it I am going to have to finance it.
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: Grainbelt on July 18, 2006, 10:51:02 AM
No shame in towing. Buy a Rav4 or CRV or pathfinder (if you want a real transfer case) or somthing and a small trailer.

Tacomas have unreal resale, buying them used is not cheap.
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: natedawg120 on July 18, 2006, 11:07:37 AM
I have thought about that but i want something with a rear axle, towing with a FWD primary isn't goot on those little CV axles.  Hell if it wasn't that we needed another vehicle i would slap a hitch on the stratus and tow away :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: Dr. Love on July 18, 2006, 11:18:44 AM
What you really want is:

(http://www.superwayne.net/othercars/Dwayne.jpg)
or
(http://oldcarandtruckpictures.com/Volkswagen/195xVWPickup-r.jpg)

They are great.  :thumb:
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: Alphamazing on July 18, 2006, 11:55:38 AM
Quote from: ashman on July 18, 2006, 09:02:12 AM
A 4wd TACO will not get much better then 20 mpg. I drove a 98 reg cab 2wd 2.4ltr 5spd TACO and averaged 23 MPG. Nissan hardbodys are pretty cheap and reliable, back in 97 or 98 when they redesigned and called them the Frontier the value of the older models dropped and in 01 or 02 when they changed it again, the 1st gen Frontiers got pretty cheap, G'luck

-ash

That's true. My dad averages 24mpg around town with his. However, consider this: Hauling 900 lb of bike, 200+ lb of gear, and 350 lb of father and son 2400 miles, we averaged 24mpg pretty much every fill up. Our truck has a weight limit of 1550 lbs; we were close and still getting 24mpg.
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: natedawg120 on July 18, 2006, 12:36:16 PM
the VWs are cool but uber rare.  I think i have only seen a handfull of that type in my life.  A beater would be nice just have to find one that isn't falling apart, get a lot of that around here because people use them as farm trucks or play trucks then sell them for cheap right before the wheels fall off :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: 12thmonkey on July 18, 2006, 05:37:10 PM
Quote from: Dr. Love on July 18, 2006, 11:18:44 AM
What you really want is:

(http://www.superwayne.net/othercars/Dwayne.jpg)
or
(http://oldcarandtruckpictures.com/Volkswagen/195xVWPickup-r.jpg)

They are great.  :thumb:

Heck yeah.
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: GeeP on July 18, 2006, 05:57:31 PM
If you're looking for cheap and effective transportation where "style" means nothing to you, have a look at an early 90's Dakota with the 2.5L four.

Mine is just shy of 600,000 miles, having been driven on a 2-hour commute each way for years.  It's a fleet vehicle, so the only option it has is a heater.  I have NEVER dropped below 27 MPG and generally average around 31-32.  Then again, I don't have a lead foot.  I'm a long distance driver, not a drag racer.  It left me on the side of the road once - the alternator self - destructed halfway home.  I had it changed and was back on the road in 20 minutes with an adjustable wrench and a pair of pliers.

You might have a look at the newer Dakota 4cyls too.  I've been thinking about buying a slightly later model as I need a second pickup.  I haven't researched yet, but I would suspect that a number of the main components are interchangeable.

Hell yes on a Rabbit pickup!   O0
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: baco99 on July 18, 2006, 05:57:54 PM
Completely impractical and not good on gas, but i'd love to have one:  Ford SVT F150 Lightning.

(http://home.earthlink.net/~ford.mustang/devilboy/images/Low_front_view.jpg)
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 18, 2006, 10:00:59 PM
ahhhhhhh Wabbit Twuck  :thumb:
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: baco99 on July 19, 2006, 05:39:16 AM
lots of info and classifieds on VeeDubs here...  http://www.thesamba.com
i use this site extensively for my 1973 Karmann Ghia restoration project.
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: Egaeus on July 19, 2006, 11:39:34 AM
Well, if you're in the market for a Nissan, I have a 2000 Frontier XE regular cab that you can have for 12000.  That's cheaper than the Tacoma....and what I paid for it when it was new.  :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: natedawg120 on July 20, 2006, 05:32:12 AM
Well update on the truck hunt.  I have decided to get a used cheap truck cause that is what is best for me and the lady.  I am going to look at a 95 nissan pickup 4x4 today.  The engine was replaced 30k ago and it has had a number of things replaced with new parts.  The only problem that the saler stated over the phone is that there is rust above the rear fenders and in one of the front wheel wells.  The rust is repairable but would need metal on the bed.  But hell if it is a good mechanically as he says i am prob going to end up getting it.  he is asking 4900.
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: baco99 on July 20, 2006, 06:03:31 AM
that sounds way too much for a rusty truck, IMO.
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: Egaeus on July 20, 2006, 06:28:59 AM
There's no such thing as "reparable rust"  If it's rusting now, it will continue to rust, no matter what you do to it. 
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: natedawg120 on July 20, 2006, 07:15:02 AM
Well i am giving him the benifit of the doubt right now.  I havn't seen it so i am going to take a look and see what is going on.  I agree that if it is rusted like in my head then he is asking to much.  While i am in that area I am going to take a look at a couple other trucks as well and see if i can't find a used dealer or two.  The first one i looked at was a 99 dodge dakota and it was in great shape and drove nice, untill i checked the under carriage, it was dumping trans fluid and that is something that i don't want to think about fixing first thing.
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: BaoQingTian on July 20, 2006, 01:00:37 PM
Dude, someone else already mentioned your best option: The Ford Ranger.

They depreciate like crazy, especially compared to Toyotas.  That's a really good thing when you're buying used-they'll cost you about half as much for the same year and mileage.  For example, the first tacoma you listed for like 17K could be had for around 8 K if it was a Ranger.

It's also the same design that's been used for like 15 years...kind of like the GS.  They've pretty much got the kinks worked out.  I'd get the 4.0 L V6. The 4 cylinder is pretty weak and the 3.0 V6 is notorious for a knock problem.  Other than that they are fairly reliable-Ford did well with its pickup trucks.

Also replacement parts are cheaper.  Checkout consumer guide for the price of an AC compressor or transmission for the Ranger vs. Tacoma.  AC or tranny is like 1300 for toyota, 650 for Ford.  If I were buying used I'd definately get a Ranger.  (As it is I'm buying new in a few months and will probably go for the Frontier).
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: natedawg120 on July 20, 2006, 02:51:53 PM
yeah i have seen a couple decent rangers, most of the ones that are in my range have a gazilion miles and have been beat to hell.  I have seen one that was ok untill i test drove it.  Service light was on and it started to overheat, wonder why he was selling it lol.  the rest are being sold by dealers and i really don't feel like paying 14k for a used truck.  I hate car shopping, if i were in the city i grew up in this wouldn't be a problem, there are a million pickups everywhere.  While i'm on it has anyone heard anything bad about dakotas.  There is an 02 2wd with 55k on it for 7500.  I have heard things about the transmissions but don't know how much of the rantings of chevy people to believe :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: Chris2P on July 20, 2006, 08:48:07 PM
You can tow a GS no problem.  I'm an avid duck hunter and I tow a boat and gear that equal the weight of 4 GS's in a little honda civic!  Been doing so for the last 15 years without a problem.   No problem with front wheel drive cv joints.  I tow far too, 3hr trips each way.  Find an old 12 to 14" boat trailer and put a couple sheets of 4by8's to tow one gs or a utility trailer to tow more bikes.  Unless you are set of getting a PU.  Used I'd look at Rangers.  Toyota has the highest resale value on use vehicles right now, esp the tacos.  But you can get a 4by4 Ranger for under 10k in primo shape.

Hope this helps


Chris
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 20, 2006, 11:33:47 PM
eh ive always had probs with dodge automatics, nissan ac systems hell prolly had probs with jus about every brand, except ford. hell ive got an '00 frontier im trying to get out from under. heh the damned ac quit. black truck with dark interior on a hot day =  :mad:
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: natedawg120 on July 21, 2006, 05:54:30 AM
yeah that sucks, i have had a black firebird with black leather and that thing would roast on a hot summer day.  Hell it would take the AC a good 10 mins to catch up once it was blowing cold.  I am looking at a lot of rangers and dakotas because that is what i am seeing out there that is priced right.  Not to many s-10s but there are some around, they are normally just older and have the starts of cancer because they have been offroading the hard way or they have so many miles I question how long they will be around.
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: BaoQingTian on July 21, 2006, 03:31:55 PM
Did you do an auto trader search?  I found over 300 hits checking for Ford Rangers between $3000 and $10,000 within 200 miles of your zip.  Lotta options there.
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: un1261 on July 21, 2006, 04:32:13 PM
 :o rust = car cancer

I'm thinking of selling my oo frontier xe 4 x 4...93,000 miles just serviced @ dealer.

(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a141/nitrocat/4.jpg)
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: busterkat on July 21, 2006, 05:01:47 PM
Have you looked at small enclosed trailers? I saw one at home depot for under $2000. No extra gas or insurance just repack the wheel bearings once a year. On trips the bike and gear will stay dry, you can even use as storage for the winter
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: natedawg120 on July 22, 2006, 11:20:25 AM
actually that is what i a looking for.  If you decide to and the price is right i would be for it.
Title: Re: new truck?
Post by: natedawg120 on July 22, 2006, 08:44:35 PM
found 98 nissan Frontier, garage kept and in mint condition.  98k miles 6700 i am making it mine.  And just to let you know trailers are bad because i am not allowed to park them where i live, forgot to mention that before.  oh well hopefull the thing will be good for years to come.