...but I've never driven a standard car. Always owned an automatic.
What do you guys think the transition will be like? Obviously, I know about shifting. And stalling if you don't shift right.
you will suck.
practice if you can in a gravel parking area or something like that, worst case scenario, is you stall it, second you peel and sling rocks. on concrete if you fug up, worst is you stall. second it the car does the bucking bronco maneuver :laugh:
I think I'd be ok if I just set my goals to peel out everytime I start from a stop. :laugh:
Yeah, the bucking bronco thing really sucks. When I was 23, I bought a stick shift and learned how to drive it. I felt like a dorky 15 year old again for about a week until I got the shifting down.
One of the hardest parts is having the clutch under your foot rather than your hand. For me, getting the "feel" of the clutch was difficult at first--not like riding a motorcycle at all.
Also, unlike a bike, a car doesn't have a wet clutch. If you ride the clutch in a car, you will burn it out. On a positive note, being on your motorcycle has probably taught you a lot about downshifting, listening for the shift, using your tachometer (much lower rpms in a car, though), etc.
I would start learning before it begins to snow. Yamahonkawazuki talked about practicing on gravel. I would also find some hills to practice on too. Once you can take off from stop while facing uphill and not rolling back--you've pretty much got it mastered.
Good luck!
El Noobo
It's not hard at all, when I first learned how to drive it was a stick. Just like everyone said practice espically on a the hills.
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Quote from: El Noobo on September 16, 2006, 11:22:04 PM
Also, unlike a bike, a car doesn't have a wet clutch.
So you have to release the clutch a lot quicker in a cage?
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It's not that difficult. Let out the clutch into the friction zone as you add a little gas to keep the engine from stalling. Don't add a lot of gas, you'll burn the clutch over time. As you start moving, eeease out the clutch fully. When it's all the way out, tromp on the gas as needed.
On a hill you do the same thing. Clutch out until you feel the car squat a little (friction zone), foot off the brake and on the gas, add gas as you let the clutch out the rest of the way.
Supposedly you can clutchlessly shift a car, but I've never tried it other than a wide ratio chevy 1-ton which liked the 1-2 and 2-3 transistion, but not the 3-4. I don't like the feel of the synchros, and car clutches are so light anyhow.
It could be much, much worse:
http://fords.kilonet.org/freightrain/bmodel.wmv
That pedal on the left is for use only at stoplights. :icon_razz: :icon_mrgreen:
Oh, what kind of car did you buy? PICS needed if it's fast. :laugh:
Quote from: GeeP on September 17, 2006, 01:00:40 PM
Oh, what kind of car did you buy? PICS needed if it's fast. :laugh:
So car yet. I wanna get rid of my '00 Chrysler Cirrus (which btw has been VERY good to me, very little money put into her). I basically miss having a truck. I actually miss my 2-door S10 Blazers. :cry: Unfortunately, they don't make 'em anymore. They have that crap TRAILBLAZER to replace the SUV, and the COLORADO to replace the S10 Pick Up.
Do like I did.
Setting San Francisco, in a 1986 manual MR2:
Uncle: Ok now you drive.
Me: WTF
Uncle: I'm teaching you how to drive stick, now get in.
Me: *paralyzed fear*
And on those hills in that traffic I learned to drive stick.
We had SF-type hills in the Hollywood Hills, where I grew up. My mom's car was a 914, and it had the most persnickety (sp?) clutch in existence, and her baby car did NOT like anyone driving her but my mom. That's how I learned, too.... ???
I never had anything but a manual transmission until I got my new car a couple of years ago. Now I'm stylin' with an automatic transmission....my other half had to actually talk me into getting the automatic, and I'm soooooo glad he was successful! I'm such a lazy bum while caging it now! :thumb: :laugh:
An, you'll be fine. you will suck at first but its easy and you'll get it soon enough. the principles are the same as on a motorcycle-find the friction zone and use it to get rolling. Just dont try clutchless shifting... :icon_mrgreen:
Quote from: pandy on September 17, 2006, 08:23:57 PM
We had SF-type hills in the Hollywood Hills, where I grew up.
rearry? where exactly?
Quote from: CirclesCenter on September 17, 2006, 04:38:57 PM
Do like I did.
Setting San Francisco, in a 1986 manual MR2:
Uncle: Ok now you drive.
Me: WTF
Uncle: I'm teaching you how to drive stick, now get in.
Me: *paralyzed fear*
And on those hills in that traffic I learned to drive stick.
I had a somewhat similar experience. I was 14, out for a ride in the county with my dad
he pulls over.
Dad: Get In
Me: I am in.
Dad: In the driver seat
Me: :o
Cause this is what we were driving.
No, not the pink one, the blue one.
(https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/mpmaes/public/HEALY.JPG)
After learning to drive stick on that car though, every other standard car i have driven was cake
Quote from: pantablo on September 17, 2006, 09:21:31 PM
Quote from: pandy on September 17, 2006, 08:23:57 PM
We had SF-type hills in the Hollywood Hills, where I grew up.
rearry? where exactly?
The hills above Hollywood & Vine. We were surrounded by Vine St, Franklin, Cheremoya, the Hollywood bowl, the reservoir. I went to HS at the corner of Franklin and Los Feliz/Western. I worked for a summer at the Pantages.... I knew Zuma beach well.... San Diego or Westwood on weekends... ahhhh....memories... I would have killed myself on a moto on PCH as a teen... Wait...what was the topic again...oh yeah... Learning to drive on those hills and blind corners on a stick at 15 really sucked... :o ...but I did it! :icon_mrgreen:
Oh man....that is one HOT car!!! I amazed your dad let you drive it!!! :laugh: :thumb:
Quote from: zukiGS500 on September 17, 2006, 11:33:55 PM
Cause this is what we were driving.
No, not the pink one, the blue one.
(https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/mpmaes/public/HEALY.JPG)
After learning to drive stick on that car though, every other standard car i have driven was cake
Quote from: pandy on September 18, 2006, 08:53:54 AM
Oh man....that is one HOT car!!! I amazed your dad let you drive it!!! :laugh: :thumb:
No one was more amazed than i was
Quote from: pantablo on September 17, 2006, 09:21:31 PM
Just dont try clutchless shifting... :icon_mrgreen:
It works, just depending on transmission is how well it works.
Quote from: Wrecent_Wryder on September 17, 2006, 10:07:01 AMdouble-clutching,
Umm, you have been watching too much Slow and the Stupid and 2 Slow and 2 Stupid. Double clutching isn't use in racing, it is used to drive heavy un-synchronized transmissions or you can also float the gears like in the video of what looks to be an old twin stick Mack. Power Shifting is another method of shifting, the trick is you don't let off the gas.....see a potential problem with this. Some of the old Borg Warner and Muncie 4 speeds would handle this method very well without breakage but most of these new transmissions will not. 2 methods, nail the gas and snatch the gears, or nail the gas and kick the clutch as you shift to relieve some of the strain on the transmission. Both of these methods will cause but is not limited to increased syncro and clutch wear, blocks with inspection windows, asphalt parts bin, and inability to shift gears.
its not hard to learn. I love teaching people how to drive stick cause i laugh my ass off every time the bucking bronco manuver happens. I don't know why but the look on the person learnings face is like "Holy crap i broke it" then theres me " :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:" Then i talk then through the next time and they usually have the clutch figured out after an hour. Now after that there is plenty of room for improvment and the occational or in some acses often stalls are normal but after a couple weeks of driving time you will have it down no problem.
Quote from: Cannon Fodder on September 18, 2006, 10:42:17 AMold twin stick Mack.
Yup! It's a B-61. Not many would recognize that. :)
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Quote from: Wrecent_Wryder on September 19, 2006, 06:10:34 AM
Quote from: Cannon Fodder on September 18, 2006, 10:42:17 AM
Quote from: Wrecent_Wryder on September 17, 2006, 10:07:01 AMdouble-clutching,
Umm, you have been watching too much Slow and the Stupid and 2 Slow and 2 Stupid. Double clutching isn't use in racing, it is used to drive heavy un-synchronized transmissions or you can also float the gears like in the video of what looks to be an old twin stick Mack. Power Shifting is another method of shifting, the trick is you don't let off the gas.....see a potential problem with this. Some of the old Borg Warner and Muncie 4 speeds would handle this method very well without breakage but most of these new transmissions will not. 2 methods, nail the gas and snatch the gears, or nail the gas and kick the clutch as you shift to relieve some of the strain on the transmission. Both of these methods will cause but is not limited to increased syncro and clutch wear, blocks with inspection windows, asphalt parts bin, and inability to shift gears.
Double-clutching was used in racing for several decades, from at least the '20s right up until they started dumbing down competition cars with "paddle shifters" and whatnot. The early generations of racers didn't have synchros, they were crashbox transmissions and it was practically the only way to downshift. Later generations of synchros were still not up to handling the extreme rpm drops of agressive downshifting for compression braking for any extended period. Doing it properly relieves strain on the drivetrain, doesn't add to it.
I've been double-clutching for 35 years solid now, no recent pop-culture-idiot-movie influence needed, thanks. Yeah, it's used on trucks too. Yawn.
If you're going to be deliberately insulting, it might work a lot better if you knew what you were talking about.
Sorry I wasn't aware of that fact and I wasn't directly insulting you. I'm just sick of hearing every god damn ricer talk about double clutching some econo shitbox down the track in 10 seconds. The only thing is if you rev-match correctly while heel to toe you should need to double clutch, syncros or not it should drop right into gear.
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I wonder why nobody has mentioned the H-pattern yet. That is quite different from a sequential MC gearbox. You can pick each gear directly, and first you will have to do this consciously. It becomes second nature before too long, but selecting the right gear is definitely more difficult in a car.
Quote from: MarkusN on September 19, 2006, 08:50:33 AM
I wonder why nobody has mentioned the H-pattern yet. That is quite different from a sequential MC gearbox. You can pick each gear directly, and first you will have to do this consciously. It becomes second nature before too long, but selecting the right gear is definitely more difficult in a car.
I believe someone HAS stated this.
Just in case the H pattern
1 3 5
| | |
-------
| | |
2 3 R
or
1 3 5
| | |
---------
| | | |
2 4 6 R
or
1 3 5
| | |
--------- <---6 is optional
| | | |
R 2 4 [6]
Quote from: natedawg120 on September 19, 2006, 01:05:09 PM
Just in case the H pattern
1 3 5
| | |
-------
| | |
2 3 R
anyone else see an issue with this
Quote from: zukiGS500 on September 19, 2006, 01:10:25 PM
Quote from: natedawg120 on September 19, 2006, 01:05:09 PM
Just in case the H pattern
1 3 5
| | |
-------
| | |
2 3 R
anyone else see an issue with this
Yes...it looks like something Srinath would have drawn! :icon_mrgreen:
Quote from: Cannon Fodder on September 18, 2006, 10:42:17 AM
Quote from: Wrecent_Wryder on September 17, 2006, 10:07:01 AMdouble-clutching,
Umm, you have been watching too much Slow and the Stupid and 2 Slow and 2 Stupid. Double clutching isn't use in racing, it is used to drive heavy un-synchronized transmissions or you can also float the gears like in the video of what looks to be an old twin stick Mack. Power Shifting is another method of shifting, the trick is you don't let off the gas.....see a potential problem with this. Some of the old Borg Warner and Muncie 4 speeds would handle this method very well without breakage but most of these new transmissions will not. 2 methods, nail the gas and snatch the gears, or nail the gas and kick the clutch as you shift to relieve some of the strain on the transmission. Both of these methods will cause but is not limited to increased syncro and clutch wear, blocks with inspection windows, asphalt parts bin, and inability to shift gears.
Someone else with mechanical knowledge.... THANK GOD!
Quote from: natedawg120 on September 19, 2006, 01:05:09 PM
Just in case the H pattern
1 3 5
| | |
-------
| | |
2 3 R
or
1 3 5
| | |
---------
| | | |
2 4 6 R
or
1 3 5
| | |
--------- <---6 is optional
| | | |
R 2 4 [6]
R 1 3 5
| | | |
----------
| | |
2 4 6
R 1 3
| | |
---------
| |
2 4
I don't even want to try to draw a old column shift. :laugh:
you forgot
1 3
| |
------
| | |
R 2 4
thats the little blue car.. damn british have to be different than everyone else
hmmm. how do i draw an overdrive switch
What about that new transmission that can be used as auto or standard?
An, no matter what shifting pattern you use, try to stay away from this one:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5419944823518404383&q=Need+Glasses%3F&hl=en
Quote from: annguyen1981 on September 19, 2006, 07:36:42 PM
What about that new transmission that can be used as auto or standard?
That is just a regular automatic with a second gate that you can manually change the gears, no clutch or H pattern involved. My experience with them is that they are always delayed when shifting. You could go to a floating clutch Bug where you have both worlds, no clutch pedal but you still have to change gears.
:flipoff: a car could have two 3rd gears :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: or i just fatfingered it which is more likely. I just drew the most common, wheres the three speed O0