Has anyone else see it?
I have to say, it sounds exciting, but I think they missed the mark (by a mile) on the styling.
Kawasaki may be selling me the '07 Z1000 in the next two years however. Hubba hubba.
I'd rather have the 1200 than either the 1250 or z1000...something about being able to hit 120lbs of torque without stressing anything just sounds amazing.
~of course I don't know much about the 1250. If it's the same motor only stroked or bored out a hair, then I'd rather have it and go for 120+ lbs/tq.
I think it is an all new motor. The it looks tons shorter (with the stacked transmission shafts). It doesn't share much of anything with the Busa motor of the Gixer motor.
Suzuki should have aimed for the Z1000 market/FZ1 market.
Judge for yourself.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/jaked1166/b1250.jpg)
And its liquid cooled unlike the old bandito which was Air/Oil cooled
Here's one you might like more. Cal, send us over a truck load of these:
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/10oct...ondahornet.htm
Quote from: Jake D on October 11, 2006, 03:21:56 PM
Here's one you might like more. Cal, send us over a truck load of these:
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/10oct...ondahornet.htm
Broken link, but here's a pic: (http://www.motorcycledaily.com/101006top.jpg)
I like it!
Quote from: Mandres on October 11, 2006, 03:26:40 PM
Quote from: Jake D on October 11, 2006, 03:21:56 PM
Here's one you might like more. Cal, send us over a truck load of these:
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/10oct...ondahornet.htm
Broken link, but here's a pic: (http://www.motorcycledaily.com/101006top.jpg)
I like it!
Likewise, though it does seem to be a bit out there in terms of styling.
I love the way the exhaust pipes are swept to the right.
They seem to have stolen a lot of things from other companies, though.
Headlight - MV Agusta Brutale
Color - Triumph
Muffler - Yamaha R6
No news on whether or not it is coming to the states though. From what I read on the UK site the suspension is non-adjustable, except for spring preload in the rear. So that's one budget item right there.
Quote from: coll0412 on October 11, 2006, 02:38:35 PM
And its liquid cooled unlike the old bandito which was Air/Oil cooled
Actually the previous 12 and 6 were liquid cooled. The new 12 is water cooled. Dunno about the new 650.
I'll pass. A new motor robs the bike of it's easy power producing potential. Plus it looks like a nake...er...Strom.
The old one was a missle waiting to launch.
I agree that the new B1250 looks like a V-Strom. It needs a major facelift. Why did Suzuki make it look like a CBF1000? Uhg.
You have to admit that new Hornet is sexy.
Alpha, post up picks of the new Z1000!
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on October 11, 2006, 03:31:01 PM
I love the way the exhaust pipes are swept to the right.
Ever seen a mid-70's CB400 four cylinder? these pipes are a copy.
As for the Bandit, I think it will take over the semi-naked sport-touring market, sort of like the first generation FZ1 did. The european version gets a larger fairing and full complement of luggage.
Quote from: makenzie71 on October 11, 2006, 08:28:19 PM
Actually the previous 12 and 6 were liquid cooled.
Every Bandit I've ever seen has been air cooled.
http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/suzuki_bandit_1200_n_2004.php
http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/suzuki_bandit_600_s_2004.php
stephen, mak means liquid as in OIL...not water. its a semantics game he likes to play, however incorrect it is.
It is like the inverted/upside down debate.
yeah i know. Thats why I posted the link, to show it was classified as air cooled with an oil cooler. It he wants to argue that, fine... but what coll0412 said was 100% correct.
I don't have water in my radiator. I have coolant. A mixture of anti-freeze or water wetter and water. Coolant is not water. Oil is not water. Both are liquid. But to say that a bike is water cooled is wrong. Because who uses just water? It is a coolant cooled bike, if you want to be an ass about it.
As an aside:
upside down: adv in such a way that the upper and the lower parts are reversed in position.
invert: vt 1. to reverse in position, order, or relationship. 2. to turn upside down.
GS500 from the Suzuki website - http://www.suzukicycles.com/Products/GS500FK7/Features/Default.aspx
QuoteEngine Features
Proven four-stroke, twin cylinder, 487cc, air-cooled DOHC engine for dependable and economical operation
QuoteSpecs
Engine: 487cc, four-stroke, twin cylinder, air-cooled, DOHC
Bandit 1250 from the Suzuki website - http://www.suzukicycles.com/Products/GSF1250SK7/Features/Default.aspx
QuoteNew Engine
All new, liquid-cooled, fuel injected, DOHC engine featuring a bore and stroke of 79.0mm x 64.0mm for a full 1254.8cc's of torque producing performance
QuoteSpecs
Engine: 1254.8cc, four-stroke, 4-cylinder, DOHC 16 valve, liquid cooled
Katana 600 from the Suzuki website - http://www.suzukicycles.com/Products/GSX600FK6/Features/Default.aspx
QuoteEngine Features
Reliable four-stroke, 4-cylinder, air/oil cooled, DOHC 16-valve engine
QuoteSpecs
Engine: 600cc, four-stroke, 4-cylinder, 16 valve air/oil cooled with DOHC and TSCC
The Suzuki site is flawed. Perfect proof lies there in your quotations...the Katana 600 and the GS500F use similar cooling systems (not sure if the GS's counts as SACS)...and those specs haven't been updated on Suzuki's website in the last 6 years at least (including when the bike got an oil cooler). Even Suzuki uses the terms interchangeably...probably why the asshat at Sharps in Amarillo wouldn't sell me a damned freeze plug for my Bandit 400. That's the point of maintaning distinction.
Quote from: Jake D on October 12, 2006, 10:02:11 AM
I don't have water in my radiator. I have coolant. A mixture of anti-freeze or water wetter and water.
sounds to me like you got water with coolant in there...so yeah, you got water in you radiator.
Quote from: Jake D on October 12, 2006, 10:02:11 AM
Because who uses just water?
How many tracks allow you run antifreeze?
Yeah don't even bother......
Quote from: makenzie71 on October 12, 2006, 10:04:36 PM
Quote from: Jake D on October 12, 2006, 10:02:11 AM
Because who uses just water?
How many tracks allow you run antifreeze?
None, I assume. But you may have heard of Water Wetter.
And Pablo, there is water in ice tea, Crystal Light, coconuts, my bladder, Tang, Diet Pepsi, a sewage treatment facility, Bud Light, etc., but do you consider those things "water"? I say once you put anti-freeze in water, it aint water. It's coolant.
So if I drain my radiator and fill it with beer (which has water in it), is there water in my radiator, or is there beer in my radiator? Riddle me that, Batman.
Quote from: CirclesCenter on October 12, 2006, 10:44:24 PM
Yeah don't even bother......
Why don't you go back to your sports car thread, Dr. Nurbering.
Quote from: Jake D on October 13, 2006, 01:23:40 PM
Quote from: makenzie71 on October 12, 2006, 10:04:36 PM
Quote from: Jake D on October 12, 2006, 10:02:11 AM
Because who uses just water?
How many tracks allow you run antifreeze?
None, I assume. But you may have heard of Water Wetter.
And Pablo, there is water in ice tea, Crystal Light, coconuts, my bladder, Tang, Diet Pepsi, a sewage treatment facility, Bud Light, etc., but do you consider those things "water"? I say once you put anti-freeze in water, it aint water. It's coolant.
So if I drain my radiator and fill it with beer (which has water in it), is there water in my radiator, or is there beer in my radiator? Riddle me that, Batman.
not exactly a good example...coolant has water in it. you mix the coolant with water to get it to the right mixture, not because its lacking water. Iced tea needs water as an integral component, without which it is something altogether different.
Some tracks won't allow water wetter...or any additive. Must be straight water.
Coolant is a term for anything used to "cool" something else...water, oil, pepsi...whatever you use. It's composition is irrelevent to the term.
And it's Nurburgring Nordschleife.
Is it possible for one man to know everything? That can't be possible, right?
I reject both of your arguments because they lack merit, foundation, and credibility. And I have that luxery. This is my thread.
It's possible for one man to know everything. I know everything, and Pablo knows more than me.
I automatically assume people are full of shaZam! when they say any of the following:
1. They are rich.
2. They can fight.
3. They have a big pee pee.
4. They know everything.
I've never met anyone (else) that had all those qualities.
Quote from: makenzie71 on October 13, 2006, 02:09:22 PM
Some tracks won't allow water wetter...or any additive. Must be straight water.
name one.
Additives arent allowed based on their contents, not as a standing rule. anti freeze is glycol based and that is ultra slick. If you dump your bike and your coolant goes on the track it closes the track for hours. Water wetter is allowed. Engine Ice is usually not allowed as it is also glycol based. straigth water is obviously allowed. There are also specific non-water coolants that are occasionally allowed, like Evan's Coolant (because its not glycol based).
I don't know personally...I bought an FZ600 and a Bandit 400 from a guy in Battlecreek. He said he only ran water in the Bandit because the track he hit didn't allow any kind of addatives to the cooling systems. My personal track experience is limited to only glycol addatives being banned.
sounds like he didnt understand what the actual requirement was.
Quote from: Jake D on October 13, 2006, 01:26:51 PM
Quote from: CirclesCenter on October 12, 2006, 10:44:24 PM
Yeah don't even bother......
Why don't you go back to your sports car thread, Dr. Nurbering.
Hey, why don't you go play hide and go
Yeah, but I was commenting on any cooling arguement with Mak, so before you try to shoot a zinger...
THINK.
Then act.