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Title: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: MrDan on October 11, 2006, 05:52:29 PM
Saw it on HackADay ....

Bet you can do it to a GS Makenzie ...  0-60 in 9 seconds ,.. top end 75 woohoo!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrFPMLAfs3s&eurl=
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: MrDan on October 11, 2006, 05:56:39 PM
Uhhh ... no speedo ... hmm
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: Chilly Willy on October 11, 2006, 06:58:14 PM
 :thumb:
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: bucks1605 on October 11, 2006, 07:37:24 PM
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: 94suzuki500 on October 11, 2006, 08:41:22 PM
haha thats awesome, just dont wire it backwards!
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: Jarrett on October 11, 2006, 09:30:28 PM
and don't ride in the rain, or live too close to the water.  Thing sounds like a turd, and 0-60 in nine seconds sounds dangerously slow for a bike.  Conceptually sound, but practically worthless. 
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: CirclesCenter on October 11, 2006, 10:24:53 PM
Quote from: Jarrett on October 11, 2006, 09:30:28 PM
and don't ride in the rain, or live too close to the water.  Thing sounds like a turd, and 0-60 in nine seconds sounds dangerously slow for a bike.  Conceptually sound, but practically worthless. 

I think that it's about as fast as an EX250.

Water proofing it wouldn't be too hard. I mean submarines are electric... Your bike does have a charging system after all... (Yes that's electricy in those wires.....)

Practicality? For a sport bike? As a sport bike it's not exactly a good idea, but neither is the ex250. So I'll hand you that one, but around town it wouldn't be a bad form of, dorm to college to coffee shop to party then to the dorm transport. In the velocitized world of freeways and raging cagers not practical, but on surface streets, yeah. (Of course scooters are already in this niche, so my point is NEARLY moot. But not many scooter REACH 65 at all so this adds versatility.)


If Mak made it the monster would power wheelie, shoot sparks and leave a flaming tire track as it went BACK TO THE FUTURE!
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: makenzie71 on October 11, 2006, 10:30:56 PM
it needs a bigger capacitor...it'll run 10's.
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: CirclesCenter on October 11, 2006, 10:58:14 PM
Quote from: makenzie71 on October 11, 2006, 10:30:56 PM
it needs a bigger capacitor...it'll run 10's.

Flux capacitor?
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: makenzie71 on October 11, 2006, 10:59:39 PM
A good run capacitor would probably do it.  Flux capacitors tend to make too much static.
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: CirclesCenter on October 11, 2006, 11:01:28 PM
Quote from: CirclesCenter on October 11, 2006, 10:24:53 PM

If Mak made it the monster would power wheelie, shoot sparks and leave a flaming tire track as it went BACK TO THE FUTURE!


Quote from: CirclesCenter on October 11, 2006, 10:58:14 PM
Quote from: makenzie71 on October 11, 2006, 10:30:56 PM
it needs a bigger capacitor...it'll run 10's.

Flux capacitor?
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: makenzie71 on October 11, 2006, 11:04:49 PM
I still wouldn't use a flux capacitor.  If for no other reason than the rarity.
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: CirclesCenter on October 11, 2006, 11:07:45 PM
And the plutonium?
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: makenzie71 on October 11, 2006, 11:10:21 PM
I can get plutonium.
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: CirclesCenter on October 11, 2006, 11:40:55 PM
What about a Mr. Fusion?

If you've got a spare I could really use it, with the price of gas and electricity going up all the time and such....
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: makenzie71 on October 11, 2006, 11:46:40 PM
Make your own damn fusion device...I won't share mine.
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: CirclesCenter on October 12, 2006, 12:02:04 AM
Can i at least have a spare turbine then?

I promise I won't use myself as a pole to hold it into the wind!

But seriously, a capacitor? Nice.

You'd have to wait for it to charge the capacitor, kinda like a camera flash.

You'd probably cook the motor too, but I admit my knowledge of electric motors is limited.
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: makenzie71 on October 12, 2006, 12:38:57 AM
It's a DC motor...it's harder to fry them than people give them credit.  The motor is probably rated far beyond what it's being used for at the moment.  Though spoken as a joke, a capacitor very well could make the bike much faster...briefly.  So what you do, is incorparate a wind turbine.

Here's how it works:

Plug bike in and charge battery
battery turns motor
motor runs bike
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Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: Jarrett on October 12, 2006, 12:53:44 AM
Quote from: CirclesCenter on October 11, 2006, 10:24:53 PM
Quote from: Jarrett on October 11, 2006, 09:30:28 PM
and don't ride in the rain, or live too close to the water.  Thing sounds like a turd, and 0-60 in nine seconds sounds dangerously slow for a bike.  Conceptually sound, but practically worthless. 

I think that it's about as fast as an EX250.


You're wrong.  Ninja 250r runs 0-60 in 5.75 seconds with a top speed of 105mph.  I'd say that's a BIG differece.  Since we're using the ninja as our baseline of street power/saftey, I'd say the electric bike is sub par.  Might be nice for off road use.

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Water proofing it wouldn't be too hard. I mean submarines are electric... Your bike does have a charging system after all... (Yes that's electricy in those wires.....)
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No kidding huh?  Take your electric motor RC car outside and run it in the rain and through some puddles.  I know it can be water proofed, I ARE NOT DUMB, but my jacket is waterproof too, and everytime it rains I get soaked.  It happens.  Plus what about humidity and oxidation?  If that bike was ever put into production, it'd have to come with a multimeter in the tool bag.  I like internal combustion engines to get me around.  If that's not available, I'll take a bicycle, and if that's got a flat, I'll resort to walking.  Why are you trying to defend that turd bike?  If you like it so much build one.


Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: MarkusN on October 12, 2006, 01:19:58 AM
Quote from: makenzie71 on October 12, 2006, 12:38:57 AM
It's a DC motor...it's harder to fry them than people give them credit. The motor is probably rated far beyond what it's being used for at the moment. Though spoken as a joke, a capacitor very well could make the bike much faster...briefly. So what you do, is incorparate a wind turbine.

Here's how it works:

Plug bike in and charge battery
battery turns motor
...
battery turns motor
motor runs bike
moving bike turns wind turbine
wind turbine charges battery

Got a patent on that yet?

'Cause if no, now you can't since you published it.

;)


Re the OP: Looks like plenty fast enough for commuting to me. But you shouldn't clothe that sheep in a wolfskin.
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: makenzie71 on October 12, 2006, 01:57:20 AM
I don't bother with patents...only plublishing.  I seek not exclusive right, only recognition by the historians as the guy who thunk it.
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: MrDan on October 12, 2006, 08:20:28 AM
Quote from: Jarrett on October 12, 2006, 12:53:44 AMYou're wrong.  Ninja 250r runs 0-60 in 5.75 seconds with a top speed of 105mph.  I'd say that's a BIG differece.  Since we're using the ninja as our baseline of street power/saftey, I'd say the electric bike is sub par.  Might be nice for off road use.

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Water proofing it wouldn't be too hard. I mean submarines are electric... Your bike does have a charging system after all... (Yes that's electricy in those wires.....)
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No kidding huh?  Take your electric motor RC car outside and run it in the rain and through some puddles.  I know it can be water proofed, I ARE NOT DUMB, but my jacket is waterproof too, and everytime it rains I get soaked.  It happens.  Plus what about humidity and oxidation?  If that bike was ever put into production, it'd have to come with a multimeter in the tool bag.  I like internal combustion engines to get me around.  If that's not available, I'll take a bicycle, and if that's got a flat, I'll resort to walking.  Why are you trying to defend that turd bike?  If you like it so much build one.

Wow - testy. 

As a proof of concept, the bike's pretty cool. 

Other people have sucessfully built electric bikes.  Eyeball Engineering built a drag bike in the 80s ... pulled a 11.54 at 109.68 1/4 mile. 

More recently, someone converted a K75 to add 4 strings of 12v batteries.

As for the rain ... you don't have to garage your electric car when it starts to pour .. or your electric golf cart.  I'm sure you can make a bike that works too.  This isn't a $50 RC car (or $500 for that matter).
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: RVertigo on October 12, 2006, 01:05:52 PM
The Model T wasn't very fast either...  :dunno_white:

It's just a matter of time before someone makes one that will whip along with normal mid-sized sport bikes...

The idea is what's cool.  To the guy that built it:   :bowdown:  You're the man now dog. (http://www.yourethemannowdog.com) :thumb:
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: Chris_B on October 12, 2006, 08:01:44 PM
I think thats pretty sweet, but I do wonder its weight.
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: CirclesCenter on October 12, 2006, 10:56:24 PM
Ok i forgot, water has special properties that allow it to penetrate every single water proofing material we have, because water has a cheat code for NOCLIP mode.

Anyways seriously man, it's not like we're dealing with a lot of parts here.

Battery.
Electric motor.

Now wait, hold on..... Here's where it gets interesting....

What does your bike have?

Battery.
Alternator. (Or generator, but whatever. It turns mech energy into electrical.) BTW Alternators/generators are just the opposite of an electric motor.

Does your bike suddenly die in the rain?

How the hell is that any different?
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: makenzie71 on October 12, 2006, 11:01:23 PM
Quote from: CirclesCenter on October 12, 2006, 10:56:24 PM
BTW Alternators/generators are just the opposite of an electric motor.

Actually no, they're exactly the same.  Any electric motor, if spun mechanically, will generate electricity under the propper circumstances.  DC motors are prime examples...they produce power under ANY condition just by spinning the shaft.  AC motors have to be excited, which requires electricity (which they'll produce plenty using a capacitor and spinning the motor about 10% faster than it's rated RPM), or have magnets installed to produce power like DC motors.
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: CirclesCenter on October 12, 2006, 11:03:16 PM
Yeah, true Mak.

But I didn't want to blow too many circuit breakers and have to take them back to electronics 101.

But it looks like that might be needed.
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: rangerbrown on October 13, 2006, 05:56:22 AM
in town riding it wouldnt be to bad, i mean really, it wouldnt be. what was the range did he say?
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle
Post by: Mandres on October 13, 2006, 10:40:28 AM
I wonder about the range too.  If it's only good for a 10 minute run and takes 2 hours to charge then it's not too practical.