Like the title says, some guy who's hated me for approximately forever came at me with a knife the other day.
I haven't said anything about it because well, it was pretty traumatic. (I'm a wuss.)
Ok first, background:
Old friend (female) who I haven't seen in years runs up and hugs me. This guy I met once (who hates me for no reason I can discern) then proceeds to pull his knife on me. And then comes the obligatory threat: "Get out of my f%$king face or I'll slit your throat!"
Ok at this point I'm both scared, and REALLY angry. I was bullied a lot when I was younger, so now that I've realized I can give someone a concussion with one punch (big guy, knows how to fight.) I have been settling scores left right and crooked (Yeah, I know that's a not a good thing, but I've only punched one guy out of the whole deal, and yes for those who will say, "You need help" getting it for the past 4yrs, like you needed to know.)
As angry as I was, and as scrawny and meth eaten as he was I realized the knife tilted the field in his favor, especially considering he is the wrong sort of people. (Drugged out ICP worshipper or some such shaZam!.) And he probably knows how to use that knife.
It took me a second, but I realized: A. I could disarm him before he could do mortal damage, simply by virtue of strength and pain tolerance. (Ever hit the middle of your hand with a hatchet? Yeah I did at 7yrs old, didn't cry, see the part about being bullied A LOT.) B: Pride is not worth a life if I miscalculate this.
That was the hard one. Being that I spent my entire life until recently being pushed around now that I ALLOWED myself to push back I valued my pride IMMENSELY. So I had a split second to ask myself how much my pride was worth.
Pride < Life
And by the time I was done with my little moral dillemma I had an @$$hole with a knife closing on me. Great.
First instinct: Swing. I've hit people bigger than this and sent them to the hospital with one punch. If he's dead/unconscious he can't kill me.
I didn't go with that one.
What I did: Stepped back, and said, "Think carefully, regardless if your attack is successful or not if you proceed you go to jail for attempted murder FOR LIFE." His G/F pulled him away at this point, I hope he realized that this is REAL, not some feudal Japan anime.
I think given the problems I've grown up with and am not willing to share I think I did pretty good.
But I don't think anyone blames me for going and getting some mace, and clutching it rather closely the past couple days.
P.S. before you respond and insult me, think about this: If your friend, or even acquaintance told you this would you insult/nitpick/get on a high horse? I thought not, please do me the same courtesy.
well done sir well done :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
I think you did the right thing. Kudo's on choosing life over pride that is a very very hard and mature thing to do.
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I'd have f%$king killed him...I'd have had to have my girl there to keep him alive (violence + the fiance = no fly zone).
(maybe not killed him...I'd have to be pretty certain of his intent to kill me to go that far...but he'd need professional help to recouperate)
I'm not one of those guys who sits around deliberating life's big decisions when they come at me with a knife...
Did you call the police and file a report?
Quote from: makenzie71 on October 16, 2006, 08:10:09 PM
I'm not one of those guys who sits around deliberating life's big decisions when they come at me with a knife...
no you're one of those guys who talks a lot of talk on the internet, but pees his pants when someone comes at him w/ a knfe. :thumb:
my experience says differently, but whatever you want to believe.
ok tough guy :thumb:
Haha all of this "macho man" crap and the nerd steps in with "I believe you should have notified the proper authorities in a timely fashion".
We love ya An!
-Turd.
Let's not get my thread Tf'd plz.
Anyways, yeah Mak that was the first thought going through my head as I pointed out.
But I think the consequences were a little steep.
No I haven't called the cops. I plan to if he comes within 10 feet of me though. (I know the whole escalation and yada yada... I am aware of the consequences of my actions, the reason i didn't fight.)
Quote from: Turd Ferguson on October 16, 2006, 08:47:29 PM
Haha all of this "macho man" crap and the nerd steps in with "I believe you should have notified the proper authorities in a timely fashion".
We love ya An!
-Turd.
I'm going to kick your ass!
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on October 16, 2006, 08:50:07 PM
Quote from: Turd Ferguson on October 16, 2006, 08:47:29 PM
Haha all of this "macho man" crap and the nerd steps in with "I believe you should have notified the proper authorities in a timely fashion".
We love ya An!
-Turd.
I'm going to kick your ass!
:dunno_white:
Yeap Kinda Happened to me one time.I got in a Fight in School once and Kinda Forgot to Drop my Pencil.After the Fight was Over The Guy was Bleeding all over and I never found the Other End of the pencil After it Snapped off. :laugh: :laugh:
After Graduation I was out with a Buddy and we Had a Flat.He went into the Station to see if they had a Plug Kit.I knew the Guy Hung Around that Particular Station.While I was Kneeled Down Inspecting the Tire I saw A shadow coming up behind me.Luckily I stood up in time or my throat would have been Cut.When I did Stand up and He saw that I had Slimed Down a Bit and Had Arms bigger than his Puny little Neck he took off Running like a little Buddha Loves You.His Buddies Came out and Asked me If I had seen Him.I scratched my Head and Said Yeah he went that Way.You might be able to follow him by the Trail of Piss. :laugh: :laugh:
I like puppies.
-Turd.
Quote from: Turd Ferguson on October 16, 2006, 09:21:15 PM
I like puppies.
-Turd.
Yeah kinda the reason i went, "Hmmm.. Let's risk it all to win? Umm f%$k that...."
Puppies are cute....cute like virgins....
Quote from: savagebeauty on October 16, 2006, 09:30:35 PM
Puppies are cute....cute like virgins....
AND COMING FROM FAR LEFT FIELD!!!!!!!
CC, you did the right thing. I used to teach karate for a number of years. One afternoon, one of my upper belt students came into class with a swagger. Apparently he had been walking home from work when a guy stepped out of an alley, pulled a knife, and demanded the student's wallet. My student disarmed the guy, threw him on the ground, and kicked his head a few times before running away.
After telling this story, he looked at me hoping that I would praise his technique, attention to skills, etc. Instead, I chewed him out in front of the entire dojo, telling him he was an IDIOT to risk injury / life for the contents of his wallet. When we reviewed the situation later, there were numerous opportunities this kid had to walk away. Instead, he foolishly stayed, fought, and this time--got lucky.
Before anyone accuses me of being an "armchair quarterback," let me assure you that I have had a knife pulled on me too. I've also had a gun pulled on me on three separate situations. Since studying martial arts, I've become a lot smarter about the company I keep. ;)
Any fight that you can walk away from having used your words is a very successful fight indeed. You are here to tell us about it, you are healthy--you won that fight.
Chilly
guns/knives different. Someone comes at me with a gun common sense tends to rank.
The high school and jr high I went to when younger had a lot of wannabe thugs...faced knives plenty of times. After a while that pride vs life argument gets old after facing the same situation week after week with no interference from staff or authoraties ("telling" tended to make the situations worse). Instead of trying to run and "tell", I started using chairs and shaZam! to beat the hell out of them...and I started a collection of nifty knives.
No armchair warrior...armed people taking the offensive against unarmed people just piss me off. Anna could probably take me if he comes at me unarmed...but I can damned creative with as little as a scroll-mouse or a small trophy or the contents of my wallet...
Mak i understand your point, but what if you f%$k up and he gets that one good shot in?
Sorry, not a chance I am willing to take.
If he gets that one good shot in I likely won't care anymore.
Risk management. If it's not worth the risk, tuck tail and run. If you think you can take him, let him have it. Sounds like you did the right thing. Never NEVER fight a drug addict with your fist. I did it once and I did not enjoy waiting for my blood test to come back. I'm glad you posted this because people need to think about what they will do in situations like these. Pick up a weapon and introduce him to it. A blunt object, a kitchen knife, broom, anything within reach. Grab the object and get as much space between you as you can. If he continues to come at you, beat the living hell out of him with the weapon till he stops moving. Carrying mase is good, but I use an asp. These are great little compact weapons. It only takes 1 hit with an asp to drop the biggest badass. If your state has concealed carry laws, get some training, get licenced, get a weapon, and keep it with you at all times. It's better to have a weapon on you and not need it than to need one and not have it. Trust me, I know. I've been on both sides of the spectrum.
Things to remember about knives.
1) Over 75% of the planet's unlawful killings are done with knives.
2) A survey of Police officers (in UK) who survived knife attacks showed that about 70% of them did not see the knife until after the injury. These guys are trained observers on the lookout.
If you see the knife and have advance warning you are lucky, step back if you can. If you are going to act, act positivly and quickly, don't fuff around.
As a young man a guy threatened me with a blade and as I took a step back he started to juggle the knife from hand to hand, very theatrical! he fumbled and I kicked straight in the crutch, steel toecaps, oooooh! :o :o I still have the knife somewhere. i was very very lucky.
I was lucky enough later to go on a Police training course run by the marines for self defence. Because of the stats this centred on knife attacks and there are some good techniques but you have to practice like any other skill. Undoudtedly the best way to survive is not be around when the blade is thrust.
Quote from: Cal Price on October 17, 2006, 03:44:17 AM
Things to remember about knives.
1) Over 75% of the planet's unlawful killings are done with knives.
2) A survey of Police officers (in UK) who survived knife attacks showed that about 70% of them did not see the knife until after the injury. These guys are trained observers on the lookout.
If you see the knife and have advance warning you are lucky, step back if you can. If you are going to act, act positivly and quickly, don't fuff around.
As a young man a guy threatened me with a blade and as I took a step back he started to juggle the knife from hand to hand, very theatrical! he fumbled and I kicked straight in the crutch, steel toecaps, oooooh! :o :o I still have the knife somewhere. i was very very lucky.
I was lucky enough later to go on a Police training course run by the marines for self defence. Because of the stats this centred on knife attacks and there are some good techniques but you have to practice like any other skill. Undoudtedly the best way to survive is not be around when the blade is thrust.
+1
I am a second degree black belt in Tae-kwan-do. I have been out of that for a long time and my master tought us a lot of good things. Disarming was one of those. But he didn't teach everyone disarming because they were not mentally ready cause then they would feel that they could disarm anyone. He tought us to use that as a last ditch effort if your life is in jepardy. Guns vs Martial arts ... well guns will win by as little as 5 inches or as much as the range of a good pistol or rifle. You did the right thing CC. Anyone who says they would have kicked his ass just remember that he had the knife not you and all it takes is one jab/slash to end your existance.
CC - consequences could have been worse, glad you weren't hurt.
I agree with Jarret. Keep your blood and the blood of the tweaker in two seperate containers. Tweakers freak me out. But their body fluids scare me even more.
you did the right thing bro' i have had days like that and that's why my 380 is like amer. express (never leave home with out it) stay cool bro'
I'm glad you're both alright.
Ok people, you can do what you want, but I really doubt that fighting him, regardless of my advantage would have been a good idea.
I mean even if I was packing at that point and I bust it out both of us are probably going to jail. Self Defense laws are not set up to allow me the use of unjust force, and when instead of participating the best course is to end said conflict.
For example, let's say I punch him, he drops the knife and I jump on top of him and punch again. Boom, we both go to jail. It's called assault.
Sure it's the "macho" thing to teach him a lesson, but honestly you have to remember, he thinks he's right in this circumstance, so all he's going to think is "Revenge on that f*** who dared to mess with me!" So he's not going to learn anything.
And how many of you have actually, truly sent someone to the hospital? No there's nothing macho about that. That means you could not properly handle the situation. That means you thought it was a good idea to hurt another human being because you don't agree with him. That means you lost your cool and went off on someone.
That being said I have. I f%&ked up. I felt horrible.
You have never been more scared, confused or depressed than at that moment, because he went from living to falling limp on the ground, possibly DEAD. At that moment macho doesn't matter at all. What matters is calling 911 and checking for a pulse.
Guess what, that does not make me a hero, that makes me a LOSER. Luckily no long term effects, and since he attacked me and I punched only once I didn't go to jail. If he hadn't come back to guess who would have been up for manslaughter charges? Regardless of the fact that I don't even have a PARKING TICKET and he probably has a sheet a mile long?
Sorry, but if you still think that fighting (which you will BOTH go to jail for) is a good idea you need to re-evaluate yourself and ask yourself what kind of hole in yourself are you trying to fill by being a "tough guy"?
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