Ok right off the bat I'm going to list all the issues that will come with owning this...just to try and make sure they're known ahead of time.
Mild steel will rust. That means this will have to be painted, brushed and oiled every day, or jet-hot'ed (or similar).
You will have to have your old centerstand stop welded up...or ditch the stand...or something. I'm going to TRY and figure something out but I make no promises.
You will have to cut up your exhaust to fit this.
With the baffle in you can probably get away without rejetting with no serious problems. With the baffle out you will have to rejet in order to keep things going propperly.
I'm only one person and I will only sell these one at a time to keep myself from being swamped under.
I think that's it for the big stuff, further details with pics...so on to some pics:
(http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount1.jpg)
Turn signals will have to be removed.
(http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount2.jpg)
I have them to where it'll tuck in very close to the tail. I thought about asking Cuda if we could lay the bike over to check clearance in a fall but figured I'd wait til it was my bike I was tinkering with.
(http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount3.jpg)
The clearance bend doesn't extend any further than stock.
(http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount4.jpg)
There really wasn't much to suspend the can from so I'll be working off the stock mount. I'm pretty sure the tubing is up to the task but should there be problems I will address a hanger.
(http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount5.jpg)
(http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount6.jpg)
(http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount7.jpg)
(http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount8.jpg)
(http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount9.jpg)
Here you can see the joint quality. There was a little bit of blow-through from when I tacked it all together but the majoraty of each seam is flush.
(http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount10.jpg)
(http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount11.jpg)
(http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount12.jpg)
(http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount13.jpg)
(http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount15.jpg)
Though not pictured, the cans will be springs...I think. I'm not 100% on this because I'm not sure of how available springs that suit my needs are, or how much they cost.
I'm offering the cans with black covers or blue covers. I can get red covers but they usually look faded like the one above. Or the cover can be taken off and go with bare stainless.
Now, the big thing, is how much is it worth? I said I'd let GSTwins decide the price (within reason you boobs), so I'd like some serious suggestions.
They cost me $74 USD a piece to make (pieces for slip flange, clamp, one 180* mandrel bend, muffler, shipping), require about 4 hours of my personal time, and I will hurt myself physically during the contruction of each one (ask Cuda).
There you have it.
Quote from: makenzie71 on October 21, 2006, 06:54:42 PM
this will have to be painted, brushed and oiled every day
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
OK.. besides that.. nice work man.. really... I know I have given you some shaZam! in the past but the setup looks cool... but painting and oiling every day ???
Still nice work.. looks cool :thumb:
(EDIT)
Sound clips would rock! :thumb: :thumb:
http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/MOV02692.MPG
Bike was cold so I didn't have him really get on it. Few exhaust leaks, too...everything was just tacked together at the time. buttoned up there'll be abit less rasp. This was also witht he baffle out.
...or...
Sounds cool....
Is that WD-40 can standard in all your posts :) :laugh:
looks like a can off a car :( but looks cool none the less
I'm sure they had cars in mind when they made it...but it's simply not suitable for anything pounding more than 650cc of material around. Two are barely enough for my TL.
I dont know about that, looks pretty wack. The long pipe going from under the bike to the can really draws attention from the can itself. I think it would look better if the can was mounted more near stock or maybe kinda like the new gsxrs.
The finnished up pipe isn't nearly as distracting. A big rusty pos sitting int he middle of a clean bike will always be hard to miss.
I think a little bend up and then out after the mounting point to make it more even w/ the rear body line would be perfect :thumb:
I didn't do that because of the different tails between the older GS's and newer ones. It also would have looked goofy and possibly rendered the rear peg useless due to heat.
That sound clip really doesn't do the system justice. It sounded much better in person even with it only being tacked. Almost mean enough to make you forget it's only a 500.
Ok.. now that we see you have a GS to play w/ make duals w/ those :icon_mrgreen:
That's Cuda's GS...it's a couple hours from me.
oh and running duals would be troublesome. I would have to find a different muffler...it's flow capacity is too big to use two of them on such a small bike. Alternatives are slim pickin's without spending a small fortune.
Mak, if I were to buy a can of some sort (dunno what yet) and send it to you, could you fab it up to the same piping? Just out of curiosity (I may be coming into a well paying job soon, so I'll have extra money for mods)
depends on the can but yeah probably.
well .. really ..... would you see a diffrence if you had one mounted like that or one mounted like the buells ? i like it tucked underbetter but is there clearnce problems .. i do like to get pretty low :) i just dont like the high mount systems .. but the real Q here is .. is there a hp diffrence ? i know putting a new can on there dont do much .. but ... just wanting to know .. i guess the only real way to find out is put it on a dino huh ?
You're not going to be able to built a belly exhaust without jacking the ride height up tremendously...like dirtbike high. Too much suspension play.
With propper jetting there's going to be a power difference but yeah, it'll have to be on a dyno to get a number.
well since you're doing custom orders I'll take one of these:
(http://www.gs500e.co.uk/rgv14.jpg)
...sorry, that car-can looks hacked.
(http://www.nestreetriders.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=272643)
(http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount4.jpg)
:dunno_white:
I like the sound when it's wound up a little....and yeah I'm sure it sounds better in person...
Doing one under the bike will kill any power the Gs makes in the lower rpms...let alone clearance issues as Mak said.
I was tinkering with making a buell style one before... I was going to off set the pipes to the shifter side...run them to the rear and then bring them back forward (make the collector area closer to the front of the engine and run a single..)...
Anyway I was going to run it back-forward and back again and have it exit just behind the brake pedal... (Maybe work out a baffle or something..who knows..) problem is the tight turns will kill power... The other idea I had was to essentially make a large muffler (boxish) under the bike and weld up the same thing inside the "muffler" but the square section might not flow so great either...... Plus the clearance issues...
just a few suggertions & I think it'd look good.
1- tuck the pipe into the frame of the bike. right now it hangs out too much and just looks like a monstrosity; even when painted black. you'll probably have to bend the pipes rather than weld them to get a good curve. what ever can be done to hide the pipe better would look great. ideally the high mount's pipe should hug the frame and tuck in behind the passenger peg. right now it's just sticking out there & is a huge eyesore.
2- get the can in-line with the tail plastic.
just some constructive criticism. hope it helps
nah I think the pipe looks a whole hell of a lot better black...doesn't quite stand out as much.
The tubing has to be routed that way for a couple of reasons. There isn't room behind the peg to route it closer to the frame. Bending up right after the peg to level the pipe some would interfer with peg operation. If the pillion peg wasn't there, things would be completely different.
People requested something along the lines of the TL1000R or RC51 factory exhausts....this is all I could deliver.
And the cans do just fine...my TL runs 127rwhp and it has them. Why don't you look up how many 127rwhp TL's there are lol
Who makes those twin highmounts? I want them!
James
If you're talking about the ones Buddha posted, the "holeshot" logo printed on the cans should give you a clue. And that's not a GS they're on.
Quote from: makenzie71 on October 22, 2006, 12:37:07 PM
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The tubing has to be routed that way for a couple of reasons. There isn't room behind the peg to route it closer to the frame. Bending up right after the peg to level the pipe some would interfer with peg operation. If the pillion peg wasn't there, things would be completely different.
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I am surprised that you did not put some kind of S-bend after the peg to angle the exhaust down some. There is room, evethough it would not have been mounted as high as it is now, which looks like crap.
ouch..... :o
beotch slappin' day....um, er Mak slappin' day :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:
Quote from: werase643 on November 01, 2006, 08:52:56 AM
ouch..... :o
beotch slappin' day....um, er Mak slappin' day :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:
Well, it does sorta look like arse. The angles are all wrong. It's a better job than I could ever do... but that's why I'm not doing it. I agree it needs to be in line with the tail to not make my eyes cross when I look at it. I would have photoshopped a few revs before making anything out of metal.
BTW Mak is not exactly shy about his opinions, and I'm sure he can take it as well as he dishes it out.
Quote from: l3uddha on October 22, 2006, 07:02:23 AM(http://www.gs500e.co.uk/rgv14.jpg)
:bowdown: That's friggen PIMP! O0
thats levs gs before he stripped it down and redid it
here are some pics after he did the swing arm ect
(http://www.gs500e.co.uk/project5.jpg)
(http://www.gs500e.co.uk/project6.jpg)
(http://www.gs500e.co.uk/albums/Levs-Streetfighter/evo13.jpg)
cool aye :D
Too much chrome/polish, but I LOVE the dual exhaust and the eliminated fender!
its a nice gs :D
heres apic of how a high level should look
(http://gs500e.free.fr/photos/page_06/tuning3.jpg)
(http://gs500e.free.fr/photos/page_06/tuning8.jpg)
and another but not so good
(http://gs500e.free.fr/photos/page_18/gs_streetfighter1.jpg)
and another dual exhaust
(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g257/hmmmnz/blue.jpg)
(http://gs500e.free.fr/photos/page_22/003fgjh.jpg)
one of jims gs's
(http://gs500e.free.fr/photos/page_22/Umbau023.JPG)
(http://gs500e.free.fr/photos/page_22/Umbau024.JPG)
(http://gs500e.free.fr/photos/page_22/Umbau025.JPG)
and a gs with a triumph twin in it :D
(http://gs500e.free.fr/photos/page_05/gse_triumph1.jpg)
(http://gs500e.free.fr/photos/page_05/rear2_big.jpg)
(http://gs500e.free.fr/photos/page_22/Umbau024.JPG)
That in a single exhaust would be fargin awesome. Mak, can you fab a quickie up like that? I like it better than the the high mount, cuz it follows the line of the tail..
Quote from: hmmmnz on November 01, 2006, 04:28:19 PM(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g257/hmmmnz/blue.jpg)
Those pipes are TeH Awz0mZ!
Quote from: NiceGuysFinishLast on November 01, 2006, 04:33:11 PM
(http://gs500e.free.fr/photos/page_22/Umbau024.JPG)
That in a single exhaust would be fargin awesome. Mak, can you fab a quickie up like that? I like it better than the the high mount, cuz it follows the line of the tail..
thats not the original angle of the subframe :D cool though
heres another
(http://gs500e.free.fr/photos/page_22/gs6.jpg)
(http://gs500e.free.fr/photos/page_22/gs8.jpg)
this one has the original subframe
(http://gs500e.free.fr/photos/page_22/sdfmoto1.jpg)
Nothing like a bastardized thread. :icon_rolleyes:
lol, well its sort of on topic, exhausts and all that, it hasn't degenerated as far as some of the threads ive seen, who knows might get tarded yet :D :thumb:
You're forgetting the fact that almost everyone of those was NOT a high-mount (which is what I got requests for) and the few high-mounts you did picture I can't replicate because of the pillion pegs.
I've said this. Numerous times. Pay attention.
hey Mak others always know a better way to do things or they say but the prob. is if you know how then do it. what it all comes down to is if you can do it better then you do it and if you can't then.........shhhhhhhhh :cheers:
Quote from: makenzie71 on November 01, 2006, 09:14:01 PM
You're forgetting the fact that almost everyone of those was NOT a high-mount (which is what I got requests for) and the few high-mounts you did picture I can't replicate because of the pillion pegs.
I've said this. Numerous times. Pay attention.
don't get your knickers in a twist, i was just posting some pictures of how a high mount should look, i realise its impossible to do the same with out hacking off the foot pegs. no offence was intended. although i have seen an under tail exhaust with the original foot pegs, ill see if i can find pics of that
Personally, if you're gonna do a high mount, I think you should lose the pillion pegs. The purpose of a high mount is to make the bike more track friendly, in which case you don't need pillion pegs. Even if you were to leave them there for the street like in this setup, the hott blonde chick in the bikini and flip flops riding on the back might burn her cute little feet and no one wants that. But hey that's just my opinion; if you want to make something more track friendly, it's gonna cost you in street friendliness.
thanks for the great pics hmmmnz!
you guys across the pond have some really great looking bikes!
I think its about time we caught up... :icon_mrgreen:
I'm sure a lot of people on this site have seen the bike with the undertail exhaust. I think it has a different swingarm... I could be wrong though. Regardless it is a sweet setup.
Quote from: hmmmnz on November 02, 2006, 05:35:34 AMdon't get your knickers in a twist
He's just mad 'cause everyone thinks his exhaust is ugly. :dunno_white:
Not mad about that. I'm only disapointed that I took both mine and Bradley's time up to build what was repeatedly requested of me only to have zero interest. It's actually of little consequence, though...soon I'll be a little too tied up in carbon components that I'll not have much metal-working time.
Hope the carbon components are pretty.
-Turd.
Mak, I actually want your exhaust... I just can't afford it... =/ sorry bro. Like I said, if/when I get that job, then we'll talk.
Also, I'm thinking of removing my pillion pegs, cuz honestly, putting people on the back doesn't appeal to me. Even though I now have a spare helmet, so that I can wear one when I put people on the back.. the one time I've had a girl back there made me so nervous it's not even funny. Plus, I only know like 3 or 4 girls who want to ride on the back with me, and they all have boyfriends, so screw 'em... :laugh:
So I wouldn't mind losing passenger capabilities for a really KICKASS high mount...
Also, we'll talk about those carbon fiber parts if/when I get the job..
people were expecting your highmount to look.... like a highmount; hence, multiple requests for a highmount:
(http://gs500e.free.fr/photos/page_06/tuning3.jpg)
I dunno wtf this is, but there's no way it's going on my bike:
(http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount4.jpg)
How can you advertise something that sounds so great, tell everyone that the above pic is the final product (+black paint), and get all pissey because noone on this forum is dumb enough to buy your crap exhaust????
Does what's in that pic look anything like this:
(http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount11.jpg)
??
I didn't think so. The bike wasn't handy after I'd finnished the pipe up. The black enamel is an option. The flushed up high-mount can't be built without chopping the rear pegs. I mean how many f%$king times do I have to post the same shaZam! before you'll get it through your head? If you'd pay attention to what people say instead of posting random shaZam! all over people's threads you might have figured it out by now.
what size is the pipe?? it looks a little to fat mabee a size down would be a litle more subtle.
ok you want to keep the rear pegs why not go behind it?? that way you could get a better curve
(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g257/hmmmnz/undertail.jpg)
just my opinion, nothing against yours, so don't jump down my throat
There's not enough room behind the peg to allow propper suspension travel. I used tubing that allowed for a good transition between the stock headers and the new muffler. Off the headers is 2", then it expands to 2.25"...it's certainly not gigantic by any means.
Quote from: makenzie71 on November 05, 2006, 04:13:59 PM
There's not enough room behind the peg to allow propper suspension travel. I used tubing that allowed for a good transition between the stock headers and the new muffler. Off the headers is 2", then it expands to 2.25"...it's certainly not gigantic by any means.
I am fairly certain the header pipe is not 2" in diameter.
Stock primaries are 1 5/8" if I'm nto mistaken. The secondary is 2 1/8" just befor the muffler.
The new pipe uses the stock primaries and goes to 2" ID after the merge and expands to 2.25" ID.
is that with a fluxcore welder or something :o
Definitely not gonna attract alot of people with that kind of fit and finish. Tig welded exhaust with aesthetic curves in SS and then you may get a more positive response. But hey... if you like it.. rock it.
I'll make one eventually once I come up with some more scrap. Might have some spare tubing after I make my new wastegate dump tube for the CRX. I could easily make a SS, mandrel, tig'd, engine-back exhaust but honestly it just wouldn't be cost effective because who wants to dump $$$$ on these bikes. Just another thought when it comes to your business model.
Quote from: CRXDrew on November 05, 2006, 08:57:45 PM
...but honestly it just wouldn't be cost effective because who wants to dump $$$$ on these bikes.
ultimately that is the point. these bikes are cheap. many have them as 'first' bikes so why spend money on them. people will spend money on mods because it makes them happy, but everyone has a limit. I suppose the new F model changes that business model a bit as the F owner is more likely to want some goodies...
Pretty much why I'm not worried. I got requests...this is the closest compramise I could manage between all the requests. I've got other work, though, so it's not something I'm depending on...I'll stick to doing custom jobs upon request.
You need tube-bending facilities to manufacture efficient and good looking high-mounts. Its next to impossible to weld straight sections together to form tight and smooth bends. Look at the pics, all bends and no welds but you have to give Mak some credit for his foresight and what he has achieved.
This is how the Pro`s do it.
http://www.zorstec.net/main.htm