There's a re-election commercial floating around television for Texas Lt Gov David Drew Hurst supporting a rather interesting bill:
First time child molestation offenders recieve an automatic 25 year jail sentence.
Sounds ok to me.
Second time offenders face the death penalty.
Now, call me old fashioned, but I just can't see adding this to the list of things the "people" will kill a human being for...murder and treason? Sure. But this? Nah I don't really get it. Maybe it's because I don't have children...
It's Texas.I figured 1st time would be Manditory Death Penalty.
Hey it Happened to Horse Theives why not Molestors. :dunno_white: :dunno_white:
f%$k texas :o
umm guys, he's a Texas governer...but this isn't a texas thing. It's being proposed in many states.
That is harsh. I haven't seen the commercial yet, but I'll keep an eye out for it. Child molestation and similar crimes are commited by people who are mentally ill. I don't think killing the metally ill is going to fly. If they do it once, then need to be locked up for a long time, but killing them is not the way to go. Dude sounds alittle off to me. Maybe he got molested as a child and wants revenge.
Quote from: makenzie71 on October 25, 2006, 07:16:49 PM
Maybe it's because I don't have children...
Maybe it's because you haven't been molested....
Harsh? Abusers of children deserve harsh. They don't deserve to breathe the air the rest of us breathe. I'd be more worried about their "rights" as mentally-ill people if it wasn't for the fact that child molesters are never cured, and it's never just one child.
Quote from: pandy on October 25, 2006, 08:03:16 PM
Quote from: makenzie71 on October 25, 2006, 07:16:49 PM
Maybe it's because I don't have children...
Maybe it's because you haven't been molested....
Harsh? Abusers of children deserve harsh. They don't deserve to breathe the air the rest of us breathe. I'd be more worried about their "rights" as mentally-ill people if it wasn't for the fact that child molesters are never cured, and it's never just one child.
+1 hey i have a 4year old and if some sicko mest with him no need for cops :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns:
Quote from: cafeboy on October 25, 2006, 08:06:48 PM
+1 hey i have a 4year old and if some sicko mest with him no need for cops :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns:
I don't have kids, but...
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i mean dude what kind of sicko would hurt him or countless other kids out there ?(http://www.gstwins.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/15697/normal_PICTURE_US2_004.jpg)
Quote from: cafeboy on October 25, 2006, 08:06:48 PM
+1 hey i have a 4year old and if some sicko mest with him no need for cops :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns:
I absolutely agree. I watched my son like a hawk, and I would have killed anyone who tried to harm him. :mad:
personal justice is entirely different from "the people's" justice.
When children are involved (especially your own), all bets are off. :icon_twisted:
Quote from: pandy on October 25, 2006, 08:30:41 PM
When children are involved (especially your own), all bets are off. :icon_twisted:
thats right------you tell em------ :2guns:
Which is personal justice.
The public isn't supposed to just add random crap to the capitol offense list. It's being considered because a noisy, but small, portion of the population thinks it's a good idea. Imagine what noisy people will be able to add to the list next...
Sorry, but if someone were to harm my child, then I would likely lose my mind at that moment and commit hare kari, at which point I would become mentally ill and plead not guilty due to mental deficiency! :P
Quote from: pandy on October 25, 2006, 08:03:16 PM
Quote from: makenzie71 on October 25, 2006, 07:16:49 PM
Maybe it's because I don't have children...
Maybe it's because you haven't been molested....
Harsh? Abusers of children deserve harsh. They don't deserve to breathe the air the rest of us breathe. I'd be more worried about their "rights" as mentally-ill people if it wasn't for the fact that child molesters are never cured, and it's never just one child.
+1
Quote from: Jughead on October 25, 2006, 07:24:22 PM
It's Texas.I figured 1st time would be Manditory Death Penalty.
Hey it Happened to Horse Theives why not Molestors. :dunno_white: :dunno_white:
thats the first think I thought of too....
Quote from: pandy on October 25, 2006, 08:03:16 PM
Quote from: makenzie71 on October 25, 2006, 07:16:49 PM
Maybe it's because I don't have children...
Maybe it's because you haven't been molested....
Harsh? Abusers of children deserve harsh. They don't deserve to breathe the air the rest of us breathe. I'd be more worried about their "rights" as mentally-ill people if it wasn't for the fact that child molesters are never cured, and it's never just one child.
No I wasn't molested. I feel very bad for anyone that was. A couple of my close friend were and I can tell that it's adversly affected thier lives as they grew older. With that being said, it's not right to kill people for that crime. There are only a few crimes that warrant the death penalty, and child molestation is not one of them. I didn't get molested because I was fortunate enough to have parents that took good care of me and knew where I was at all times. My friends that were molested weren't that fortunate. In and out of foster care and what not. People just have to take care of thier kids and know where they are at all times. Lock the molestors up for life, but it's inhumane to kill them. They are sick people who need help in jail. We, as a country, can not jump on the killem all bandwagon. It will lead us down a path that we need not be on. Next, there will be proposed legislation to send small time offenders to jail for 25yrs for drug related crimes. Ohh yeah, they already have that.
heh theres a double standard with molesters. men = 99% of the time, goin to the pen women having sex with children although rarer, sometimes they get probation, some say its because "they can be cured" ehhh, i just hope i never have to deal with any of these people. ive not been molested myself, but have seen what happens to those who have. and had known several people who were convicted of that ive cut all contact with them.
The death penalty is a little too overboard for first offenders when it comes to child molestation. Twenty years at hard labor and being Bubba's Buddha Loves You should suffice for first offenders. I would also recommend mandatory castration for the offender.
Second offenders should just be locked in a 20' X 20' room, built from solid concrete, for an hour with a dozen really pissed off women. There would be no need to waste tax payers' money on a prison sentence then. The cost of cremating what little is left of the offender wouldn't be all that much.
Quote from: sinner on October 26, 2006, 02:29:05 AM
The death penalty is a little too overboard for first offenders when it comes to child molestation. Twenty years at hard labor and being Bubba's Buddha Loves You should suffice for first offenders. I would also recommend mandatory castration for the offender.
Second offenders should just be locked in a 20' X 20' room, built from solid concrete, for an hour with a dozen really pissed off women. There would be no need to waste tax payers' money on a prison sentence then. The cost of cremating what little is left of the offender wouldn't be all that much.
The trouble is they get placed in protective custody & not in the general population, noy saying that their time inside is a bed of roses.
Personally I think they should be taken out in the bush & get a bullet in the back of the head & their bodies left for the animals.Definatly no christan burial.
If any of my boys ever got touched There would be one less oxygen theif on the face of this earth.
Well I just did a bit of research and apparently our good governer is full of shaZam!...blowing hot air. Child molestation is already a capitol offense in Texas...which means it's already punishable by death. I didn't know that.
Still not really okay with it...but I have my own double standards I guess. I look at certain situations and think that it should be mandate...while others I think it's too strong a punishment...but I guess that's why we have impartial courts (right).
Okay now I'm getting this information from a site unassociated with any legitimate Texas site (I'm too drugged up right now to handle sifting through Texas code)...but this states that all capitol offenses in Texas are punishable by death...and that statutory rape is a capitol offense. That creeps me out because I know sooooo many cases of statutory rape are total bullshit...I mean hell I've been with kalee for nearly 5 years, she's 20 years old now, and I'm 25...do the math...
i met my wife when she was 13 and i was 16 but nothing happened until we got married in 99
If it were a simple matter of parents protecting their children, the world might be a rosy, happy place. But what about the many, MANY cases where the monsters...er... molesters ARE their frickin' parents. There goes that rosy, happy theory right into the garbage can.
Yama: 99% of men who molest go to prison? Please tell me where you got THAT statistic, because I'd like to see for myself and then break out the champagne if it's true. The last statistics I heard/read suggested that only 25% of molests are reported, and a small fraction of those are charged, prosecuted, or punished. My own wild-@$$ed guess is that 25% is a hugely-inflated number. I would guess that perhaps 1% of molests are reported/discovered.
The others who should be punished are the co-enablers. These scum are the people who KNOW about the molestation and do nothing.
I have no sympathy or mercy for any of these cretins.
+10 :thumb:
Quote from: Jarrett on October 25, 2006, 11:56:50 PM
Quote from: pandy on October 25, 2006, 08:03:16 PM
Quote from: makenzie71 on October 25, 2006, 07:16:49 PM
Maybe it's because I don't have children...
Maybe it's because you haven't been molested....
Harsh? Abusers of children deserve harsh. They don't deserve to breathe the air the rest of us breathe. I'd be more worried about their "rights" as mentally-ill people if it wasn't for the fact that child molesters are never cured, and it's never just one child.
People just have to take care of thier kids and know where they are at all times. Lock the molestors up for life, but it's inhumane to kill them. They are sick people who need help in jail. We, as a country, can not jump on the killem all bandwagon. It will lead us down a path that we need not be on. Next, there will be proposed legislation to send small time offenders to jail for 25yrs for drug related crimes. Ohh yeah, they already have that.
Okay, I don't believe that it's whether you have good parents or bad parents at all. Your parents aren't there with you every second of your life, and they will ask "where you are going? what are you doing?" and many will lie. So when the parents think they are at the neighbors house they really took the bus downtown and then got molested in an alleyway. Or maybe the 16 year old girl went running, like many do, and got molested. Gee, where were her parents to keep an eye on her!!!??? It doesn't work like that, I don't care how good your parents are, they are NEVER with you 100% of the time to protect you. So it's not USUALLY the parents fault.
Secondly, if we lock up the hundreds of rapiests and molesters this would make our jails overflow and we would run out of room in no time flat (we already are). Here in Oregon they are actually letting people out really early just because our jails are full with sick people that should be put to death. You think it would cost MORE to put them to death?? Think again, taking care of them for the rest of their life isn't free, we feed them, any doctor visit or surgery is paid for, they have TV, a library, hell one jail even has a starbucks in it. This is all paid for by us tax payers. But many of them just claim they are mentally ill, go to some institute, and "get better" then they are free. And do it again, and again, and again. Most of them will moleste/rape a girl/boy, usually a girl, then murder them. Kill the SOBs!!! They don't deserve to live! And just maybe if we have the death penalty for thing people just won't do it. How about, if you steal a car you get death, or if you assault somebody death. Or we could always just say, for every crime you commit you get one finger cut off.
Hell, lets even throw decal fraud in there! :laugh:
Quote from: porsche4786 on October 26, 2006, 08:36:05 AM
Quote from: Jarrett on October 25, 2006, 11:56:50 PM
Quote from: pandy on October 25, 2006, 08:03:16 PM
Quote from: makenzie71 on October 25, 2006, 07:16:49 PM
Maybe it's because I don't have children...
Maybe it's because you haven't been molested....
Harsh? Abusers of children deserve harsh. They don't deserve to breathe the air the rest of us breathe. I'd be more worried about their "rights" as mentally-ill people if it wasn't for the fact that child molesters are never cured, and it's never just one child.
People just have to take care of thier kids and know where they are at all times. Lock the molestors up for life, but it's inhumane to kill them. They are sick people who need help in jail. We, as a country, can not jump on the killem all bandwagon. It will lead us down a path that we need not be on. Next, there will be proposed legislation to send small time offenders to jail for 25yrs for drug related crimes. Ohh yeah, they already have that.
Okay, I don't believe that it's whether you have good parents or bad parents at all. Your parents aren't there with you every second of your life, and they will ask "where you are going? what are you doing?" and many will lie. So when the parents think they are at the neighbors house they really took the bus downtown and then got molested in an alleyway. Or maybe the 16 year old girl went running, like many do, and got molested. Gee, where were her parents to keep an eye on her!!!??? It doesn't work like that, I don't care how good your parents are, they are NEVER with you 100% of the time to protect you. So it's not USUALLY the parents fault.
Secondly, if we lock up the hundreds of rapiests and molesters this would make our jails overflow and we would run out of room in no time flat (we already are). Here in Oregon they are actually letting people out really early just because our jails are full with sick people that should be put to death. You think it would cost MORE to put them to death?? Think again, taking care of them for the rest of their life isn't free, we feed them, any doctor visit or surgery is paid for, they have TV, a library, hell one jail even has a starbucks in it. This is all paid for by us tax payers. But many of them just claim they are mentally ill, go to some institute, and "get better" then they are free. And do it again, and again, and again. Most of them will moleste/rape a girl/boy, usually a girl, then murder them. Kill the SOBs!!! They don't deserve to live! And just maybe if we have the death penalty for thing people just won't do it. How about, if you steal a car you get death, or if you assault somebody death. Or we could always just say, for every crime you commit you get one finger cut off.
Hell, lets even throw decal fraud in there! :laugh:
You are so clever and smart. You are my hero.
Quote from: cafeboy on October 25, 2006, 08:06:48 PM
Quote from: pandy on October 25, 2006, 08:03:16 PM
Quote from: makenzie71 on October 25, 2006, 07:16:49 PM
Maybe it's because I don't have children...
Maybe it's because you haven't been molested....
Harsh? Abusers of children deserve harsh. They don't deserve to breathe the air the rest of us breathe. I'd be more worried about their "rights" as mentally-ill people if it wasn't for the fact that child molesters are never cured, and it's never just one child.
+1 hey i have a 4year old and if some sicko mest with him no need for cops :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: :2guns:
Totally agree with you two on this one. First time 25 years, second time death penalty.
Dude... If you do 25 years in the Pen and come out only to molest another kid? C'mon... You should die.
BUT! Child molesters and murders are the VERY few criminals where the punishment matches the crime. Murder can get you the death penalty (most times it doesn't though).... But, every single child molester that ever went to prison got ass-raped by everyone in the place.
It's basically a rule... If you go to prison for child molestation, you are the bottom Buddha Loves You of everyone in the place. Most times, that applies to rapists as well.
How fitting? You get to spend the next 12.5-25 years of your life getting reminded of why rape is such a horrid crime...
Sorry, there's no room in the prisons for criminals. They're too full of pot smokers......yanno....dem REAL criminals! :icon_rolleyes:
Hahaha.. Pandy's a pothead!
HANG THEM!!! :)
They shouldn't get better health care then I can't afford.
Let's see, I own my own business, work my butt off and pay 290$ a month for health care. Chester the molester does his filthy deal and gets free room and board plus health care.
HANG EM!
Quote from: RVertigo on October 26, 2006, 11:45:54 AM
Dude... If you do 25 years in the Pen and come out only to molest another kid? C'mon... You should die.
I agree... I don't really like the death penalty, I think we should rehabilitate when possible, but if you serve 25 years and do it again, your past rehabilitation. I was always a fan of the three strike rule.
Kill em all & let the devil sort them out
Actually, I don't do pot (it does nothing but make me giggly, chatty, and give me the munchies...now how many here think that *I* need any help with ANY of THOSE things!?!?!?) ??? :cookoo: :bs: :laugh: ....BUT..I don't believe that growing/smoking pot should be a criminal offense. I think it should be classified with alcohol: toke up a storm, but don't toke and drive, etc.
If there weren't so many potheads in prison, there'd be room for real criminals.
And I'm all for rehabilitation, but I don't believe child molesters can be rehabilitated (nor do I believe that the majority of them WANT to be...THEY think their behaviour is NORMAL....they're just SHARING their love.... What's that organization? The man-boy org. or somesuch).
/rant ;)
Quote from: pandy on October 26, 2006, 02:29:57 PM
Actually, I don't do pot (it does nothing but make me giggly, chatty, and give me the munchies...now how many here think that *I* need any help with ANY of THOSE things!?!?!?) ??? :cookoo: :bs: :laugh: ....BUT..I don't believe that growing/smoking pot should be a criminal offense. I think it should be classified with alcohol: toke up a storm, but don't toke and drive, etc.
If there weren't so many potheads in prison, there'd be room for real criminals.
And I'm all for rehabilitation, but I don't believe child molesters can be rehabilitated (nor do I believe that the majority of them WANT to be...THEY think their behaviour is NORMAL....they're just SHARING their love.... What's that organization? The man-boy org. or somesuch).
/rant ;)
Well, our jails aren't really full of pot heads, because here in Oregon you can get a note from a doctor saying that you need marijuana for medical purposes (which is easy to get) and you can 'legally' use it. Even though it is federally illegal....which is supposed to override state laws...right... :icon_confused: :dunno_white:
Quote from: porsche4786 on October 26, 2006, 02:45:43 PM
Well, our jails aren't really full of pot heads, because here in Oregon you can get a note from a doctor saying that you need marijuana for medical purposes (which is easy to get) and you can 'legally' use it. Even though it is federally illegal....which is supposed to override state laws...right... :icon_confused: :dunno_white:
The same is true in the SF bay area, but folks have had trouble setting up store. Ahhh....the Federal v. State issue...I love that one. California needs to secede from the Union!
Our prisons are still full of potheads. I used to live in Mendocino County (marijuana heaven), and there were plenty of stories of folks going to jail because they had some weed on them (not to mention having their vehicles confiscated).
BUT...back to my real point...if there weren't so many druggies in our prisons, there'd be more room for child molesters. And I think child molesters should be housed with the biggest, meanest husbands that they'll ever know. :mad:
Quote from: pandy on October 26, 2006, 06:51:20 PM
Quote from: porsche4786 on October 26, 2006, 02:45:43 PM
Well, our jails aren't really full of pot heads, because here in Oregon you can get a note from a doctor saying that you need marijuana for medical purposes (which is easy to get) and you can 'legally' use it. Even though it is federally illegal....which is supposed to override state laws...right... :icon_confused: :dunno_white:
The same is true in the SF bay area, but folks have had trouble setting up store. Ahhh....the Federal v. State issue...I love that one. California needs to secede from the Union!
Our prisons are still full of potheads. I used to live in Mendocino County (marijuana heaven), and there were plenty of stories of folks going to jail because they had some weed on them (not to mention having their vehicles confiscated).
BUT...back to my real point...if there weren't so many druggies in our prisons, there'd be more room for child molesters. And I think child molesters should be housed with the biggest, meanest husbands that they'll ever know. :mad:
But then if they're in prison that means that they're using taxes that could be used for health, schools, the more needy etc. A one off cost to problem works a lot better for this little black duck. :thumb:
Quote from: Stephen072774 on October 26, 2006, 02:01:27 PM
Quote from: RVertigo on October 26, 2006, 11:45:54 AM
Dude... If you do 25 years in the Pen and come out only to molest another kid? C'mon... You should die.
I agree... I don't really like the death penalty, I think we should rehabilitate when possible, but if you serve 25 years and do it again, your past rehabilitation. I was always a fan of the three strike rule.
The really sad part is that very few prisoners serve their full terms anymore. Perhaps it's a result of our legal system or our overcrowded prison system, but I'd bet these predators are back on the streets long before their 25 years are served.
Chilly
either they will get out early or it will become knowlege in the prison what these douchebags are doing and they will be beaten and get out early in a box. I have know two people that went to prison for a short term and they told me stories of what happens to the molesters if it becomes known they they are molesters.