So I ordered parts for my bike on 10/25/06. I e-mailed them yesterday to see why the status of my order STILL hadn't changed from "received" to "shipped." No response.
I called them this morning and spoke with the person who handles their web orders (Chris), and he informed me that it states clearly that there's a 7-10 business day wait. I then asked to cancel the order, and he said there'd be a 20% restocking fee. I told him that we'd dispute those charges with our credit card company, and he hung up on me! :laugh: :cookoo:
So I checked their website, and it does say 7-10 business days *shrug*...and it also says they charge a restocking fee....but at 15%, not the 20% he stated before hanging up on me.
Since it'd be a hassle to dispute their restocking fee on our credit card, we'll wait for the parts.... but we sure won't be ordering from them again...
Talk about being disappointed in a company's customer service.... :2guns: :laugh:
Yeah thats pretty crappy, maybe you should just go kick Chris in the nuts :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
He kicked himself in the nuts. Having me as a parts customer is kind of like having a frequent flyer.... :laugh:
Sorry Pandy. that sucks.
Bikebandit or ronayers tells you how many days the freight will take. the $8 USPS is a day sooner than the $20 next day air rush.
Customer service is a lost art.
oh well. At least his nuts ache. ;)
Hah, that's one place I'll never shop. Post this on EVERY forum you're on, and email them a link to every thread. Man, they'll kick themselves for SURE.
Guess I know where not to shop at. :o
If they have not pulled your order how can they charge a restocking fee?
Quote from: blue05twin on October 31, 2006, 01:18:44 PM
Guess I know where not to shop at. :o
If they have not pulled your order how can they charge a restocking fee?
thays sucks. it's like my order is on your shelf so it's not unstocked yet so bike me :2guns:
Yeah, I don't really get re-stocking fees. They shouldn't exist. It seems like everyone is adding them now. I mean, if you've already paid shipping and handling, what's the big deal? The best quote I've ever heard about shipping and handling:
"Can't you just ship my package and not handle it?" :laugh:
Chilly
Quote from: blue05twin on October 31, 2006, 01:18:44 PM
If they have not pulled your order how can they charge a restocking fee?
Not only have they not pulled it, THEY don't have the parts yet!
According to the FTC website, it seems to be illegal to charge a restocking fee on something that hasn't shipped yet (doncha just hate those pesky little rules the FTC makes ya' live by). There seems to be more and more to love about this site. I've definitely posted my opinion on just about every site I'm on, and an FTC complaint will follow. :thumb:
Here's the follow-up e-mail I sent to them this morning after my delightful experience:
-----Original Message-----
From: Pandy
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:41 AM
To: chris@flatoutmotorcycles.com
Cc: bill@flatoutmotorcycles.com
Subject: RE: Order Confirmation
Dear Chris:
I spoke with my better half, and he said to go ahead and continue the order. When we ordered, we did not see the part that said there was a 7 to 10 business day wait for parts (you might want to make that part clearer). It does, however, say on the website that the restocking fee is 15%, not the 20% you stated on the phone. My better half, Jerry Hashimoto, wishes to continue the order, so we will. We will hold you to 10 business days at most to get the parts to us, though.
Chris, I'm very disappointed that my e-mail wasn't answered yesterday, and I'm very disappointed (and shocked) that you hung up on me while we were talking this morning. Had you e-mailed me yesterday and pointed toward the 7/10 business-day wait on your website, we could have avoided talking at all this morning. I might not have liked the wait, but I'd have understood it. I imagine you've handled a number of unhappy customers who are experiencing frustration over waiting for their parts, and if you hang up on them as you hung up on me this morning, it's going to be difficult for Flatout to retain its customers.
Staci
Of course, no response offered, and none expected....plus, this was before I started doing some FTC research. They charged our credit card this morning, too, I guess right after I called them....and before THEY have the merchandise.
Plus, upon reviewing their delivery policy, this is what I found:
Delivery Time: Allow 4-10 business days for delivery of non-backordered items in the continental US. Allow additional time for shipments to Alaska, Hawaii and International Orders. So, again, they're breaking FTC laws by not delivering items as promised (and advertising such a short timeframe when they don't stock the merchandise is a no-no according the the FTC).
Yuck. They really leave a bad taste in my mouth.
Did I mention that they SUCK!? :icon_mrgreen:
now you need a new emoticon, the whipping one whipping them :icon_twisted:
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on October 31, 2006, 03:46:08 PM
now you need a new emoticon, the whipping one whipping them :icon_twisted:
Unless I can find a "crushed nuts" picture..... :icon_twisted:
Quote from: pandy on October 31, 2006, 03:49:47 PM
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on October 31, 2006, 03:46:08 PM
now you need a new emoticon, the whipping one whipping them :icon_twisted:
Unless I can find a "crushed nuts" picture..... :icon_twisted:
Lemme go take a picture of mine... brb
Quote from: annguyen1981 on October 31, 2006, 09:09:02 PM
Quote from: pandy on October 31, 2006, 03:49:47 PM
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on October 31, 2006, 03:46:08 PM
now you need a new emoticon, the whipping one whipping them :icon_twisted:
Unless I can find a "crushed nuts" picture..... :icon_twisted:
Lemme go take a picture of mine... brb
Mate they want crushed not shrivelled up from lack of use :icon_mrgreen:
I'm sorry to hear about this, Pandy.
I hope all goes well.
Hey, Pandy was kind enough to post the guy's e-mail. We could get the entire board to each send him an e-mail saying "YOU SUCK!". Imagine, hundreds of posts, from all around the world--it would be great! :thumb:
Chilly
hey pandy make sure to tell them suckas that they are not getting any decals. :o
Quote from: My EmailJust wanted to let you know that your improper handling of a friend's issue has lost you not only all future business from myself, but from hundreds of members of our forum. Good luck keeping a good customer base with crappy customer service.
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Regards,
Nicholas Cosgrove
CompE 2010
C: (XXX) 7XX-XX41
Just sent that a few mins ago.
Nicely done, NGFL...and you're darned right they're not getting decals, cafeboy! :mad: :laugh: :cheers:
Quote from: scratch on October 31, 2006, 09:25:40 PM
I'm sorry to hear about this, Pandy.
I hope all goes well.
she wouldn't have had this trouble at Santa Clara Cycle Acc. :icon_razz:
I got a reply, I got a reply!
Quote from: Chris Adkinsnicholas,
i tried to be nice at first but she coming off like a ass. i tried to explain that we have to order a lot of stuff from the factory. then i told her that on our web site it states that it takes 7-10 working days before you receive the parts. then she told me to cancel the order, i said ok thats fine but there is a restocking fee. then she starts in that she was going to contact her credit card company and tell them not to pay. well in my eyes ive done what im suppose to do, like all the orders i do daily. im a easy guy to get along with and will bend over backwards to help people out but when you start giving me attitude when im trying to help, im going to get a little angry. im sorry you feel that way but i thought i would let you know my side of the story. you can make up your own mind.
thanks
chris adkins
ps, check around other forums and ask about me. you will see that i am a stand up guy and back up what i say im going to do.
bahahaha
I just sent the following e-mail:
To: Chris Adkins at Flatout Motorcycles
From: Noah Barfield
Re: Your poor handling of an order request by a friend of mine
Chris,
I am writing to express my extreme dismay towards the complete lack of professionalism you displayed towards my friend and fellow forum member, Staci.
As a customer, she has the right to cancel an order that has not yet been filled. I understand that this cancellation may cause you some inconvenience. What you do not have, however, is the right to charge a "restocking fee" for an order that has neither yet been filled nor even pulled.
Restocking fees generally are charged when a customer requests a return / refund (not an exchange, nor a cancellation). Your application of a restocking fee in this case is vindictive, petty, and most likely, illegal.
I would like you to know that the unprofessional manner in which you handled Staci's order has cost your company my business as well as the business of many of the members on our forum. While you have the right to hang up the phone if a customer is being verbally abusive, you are merely displaying immaturity and poor business conduct to hang up on a customer expressing her dissatisfaction and asking for some reasonable form of recourse.
Again, please realize that your behavior has cost your company a potentially significant client base. If you were my employee, you would no longer be on my payroll.
Without regards,
Noah Barfield
(xxx) xxx-xxxx
Chilly
Woohoo!
Man.. if he gets like 30 of these.... he'll be kicking himself!
I have always had good luck with flatout, much cheaper than locally. I know that Chris and flatout is well respected on the YZF600R board. So I would take this incident as a warning and not be too hard on the poor guy.
Good point Destro. It is important to try to see things from others' points of view. Even though this is Pandy's issue, I felt compelled to write because of the basic unfairness of it all. It would be one thing if Chris charged her a restock fee if the item was already pulled, packaged, and on its way. But to charge a restock fee for something that is still on the shelf strikes me as unethical.
With so many manufacturing jobs being outsourced and with a rising level of quality products across the board, it seems logical that offering superior customer service would be a way for a company to hold onto a client base. For example, I used to buy Dell computers because they had one of the top customer service records in the industry. Then they outsourced their customer service. So now I buy based on the most features for the lowest price (Toshiba, Sony, etc.).
It's important for us as a forum to spread the word when a company treats us well (National Cycle and Bike Bandit, for example) or acts irresponsibly (Flatout).
Chilly
Also, complaining to the SAME guy will do no good. You must complain to the manager or owner in order to get things changed. I highly doubt that he will share these emails with his boss/es.
Chris's response on BARF and my response to him:
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Originally posted by chris@flatout
i couldnt have said it better myself. this is what i have to say about this ordeal. i am chris (the person that hung up on you) the reason behind me hanging up on you was your attitude. i was trying to find out when they were going to be here, so i could you a eta on when they would be to you. then you told me to cancel the order which is fine but there is restocking fee (as stated earlier in the thread) we have to pay a restocking fee to suzuki to take the parts back. yes your parts were on there way from suzuki which i tried to tell you that. i would have tried to help you out because i dont like to see a rider down and out from riding. you started in with a attitude and being rude. in my eyes i was doing my job like i do everyday and would have bent over backwards to help you out. the way i was taught "treat people the way you want to be treated" that is all i have to say about that. i know this may not be the may not be the to handle this but i am honest, stand up guy. if i tell you something then i do it.
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And I disagree with your assessment of our exchange (other than the fact that you DID hang up on me), and I disagree with your way of doing business. What you seem to be saying when you say you treat others as you'd have them treat you is that you like to have others hang up on you, and you don't like to have your e-mails answered, because you don't answer others'?
It makes no sense to say that I called with an attitude and was rude. There would be absolutely no reason for me to start out rudely, because I figured you'd be telling me that my order had shipped and you'd be giving me a tracking number. I was absolutely stunned to learn that YOU hadn't even received my parts yet and that you couldn't give me an ETA. You didn't address that part at all here, Chris.
The FTC doesn't say that you can charge customers a restocking fee if you have to pay one; the FTC states that you must make a full refund if the order hasn't shipped.
It sounds as though you need to make some modifications to your website if you want to be in compliance with FTC rules.
Quote from: Destro on November 01, 2006, 10:34:35 AM
I have always had good luck with flatout, much cheaper than locally. I know that Chris and flatout is well respected on the YZF600R board. So I would take this incident as a warning and not be too hard on the poor guy.
I'm glad to hear your experience was better than mine. Folks on SBR have noted that there have been complaints on one of the 600RR sites that are similar to mine.
Quote from: annguyen1981 on November 01, 2006, 12:46:21 PM
Also, complaining to the SAME guy will do no good. You must complain to the manager or owner in order to get things changed. I highly doubt that he will share these emails with his boss/es.
Which is why I cc'd my e-mail to another person at Flatout. They answered more of your e-mails than they answered of mine. :laugh:
It may not help in this case, but I do believe in sharing experiences, both good and bad, with others, and I appreciate it when others share their experiences with me. I also believe in holding companies to their promises and to the law. The only way to keep businesses honest and to keep us consumers from getting ripped off is to expect the service we've been promised, to complain when we aren't treated right, and to file the appropriate complaints with the appropriate agencies when someone doesn't seem to be following any laws other than their own.
I might feel more sympathy for the "poor guy" if he'd not hung up on me, if they were going to get me my parts on time, if I felt I'd been treated fairly, and if it didn't seem as though the company doesn't follow FTC rules much. Who knows, maybe they WILL overnight the parts to get them to me since I've made my displeasure known (either that, or I may never get my parts :cookoo: :laugh:).
http://www.yamahafz1oa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59438&highlight=flatout
http://www.yamahafz1oa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53379&highlight=flatout
I agree with you Chilly and Pandy about reporting our experiences. I am certain that Pandy, like myself and others ordered from flatout simply because they were the cheapest place to get the parts from. But the main problem I have is that Pandy's original complaint goes back to the shipping time. If she had "researched" the flatout site as extensively as she did the FTC site, the call would have never been made. Secondly, to cancel an order over shipping time is silly, and I would consider that "attitude". If you believe that when you order an OEM part from bikebandit, ron ayers, flatout, or even your local dealer, and they will always have it in stock, then you are a fool.
I follow all orders I place. I generally get confirmation e-mails, tracking information, and have no problem reaching customer service when I have a question with good vendors. When my order on Flatout hadn't change from "received" after a week, I thought it was time to follow up and make sure everything was on track.
Had Chris given me even an *estimated* ship date, I wouldn't have been happy that I'd have to wait longer than the site promised, but I could have lived with that. But Chris didn't answer e-mails, he couldn't tell me when THEY would receive my parts, and he had no clue as to when *I* would receive my parts. Hanging up on me was the icing on the cake. If he couldn't deal with my problem, why hang up on me? Why not give my call to his supervisor?
If cancelling an order because it's not going to be delivered when promised is attitude, then I have attitude. :thumb: I, indeed, tried Flatout because their prices are good, but I will not stay with a seller who does not offer a complete package (good prices, good communication, good customer service). I don't expect online stores to have everything in stock, but I *do* expect to be promptly notified if there's going to be a delay (as Flatout's website promises). I agree with you that I expected more from Flatout than they can deliver. Prices will help me decide to try a business, but prices won't *keep* my business if I'm not happy with how the business operates.
Chris posted a littler earlier on another motorcycle site that my parts were in and would ship today. They knew the status of my order before I did. :cookoo: :laugh: Frankly, I don't think I would have received any sort of response had I not posted my experience in public forums.
Quote from: Destro on November 01, 2006, 01:40:28 PM
...If you believe that when you order an OEM part from bikebandit, ron ayers, flatout, or even your local dealer, and they will always have it in stock, then you are a fool.
A little harsh analysis, but true from the perspective of the bike parts business.
When I order bike parts from my local dealer, I have to pay up front.
They now have my money and I have no parts.
"When will the parts be in?" I ask.
"Don't know. It could be tomorrow, but we will call you when they are in."
A couple days go by. The days turn into a week plus. No call.
I go by the following Saturday, "Hey yall! My parts get in?"
"Uh, I don't know. I haven't seen anything from Suzuki this week."
He leaves the counter and goes in the back. He returns empty handed.
"Sorry man. I'll call you to let you know when it comes in."
Eventually I get my parts, but never received a call.
So what's my point?
[begin rant]
In general, we have to
expect mediocre service because I think the dealers/sellers are at the mercy of Suzuki (or fill in your favorite manufacturer). The dealer/seller has no incentive to stock anything other than oil filters and fuses. Maybe tires, but that's also a risk most won't take.
So what can we demand? Communication. It is dirt cheap and everywhere.
That was the genesis of Pandy's ire.
I deal with customer service issues for a living. Nobody wants to be ignored much less disconnected. FTC rules not withstanding -- every state has retail laws regarding payment, products, etc. - they could have won her by simply communicating quickly and restating their policies
immediately after her order was placed. A periodic email regarding order status wouldn't hurt either.
This whole restock fee for something that doesn't exist seems fishy to me. Sorta sounds like the "Oh. You are paying with a credit card? I'm sorry, but the price is now going up." thing that businesses were doing. I understand the need, but hell, that's one of the costs of doing business. They get to write that stuff off as an expense. <grumble>
[end rant]
I have a hard time accepting mediocre service, especially since there are so many businesses who give first-class service (such as New Enough and Helimot's). I think accepting for, and paying good money for, lousy service simply perpetuates that lousy service. When shops/businesses start losing business....that's when they start to look at what they're doing and make some changes (if they're smart and want to stay in business).
If I'd done my homework, though, I'd have found that Flatout's poor customer service goes way back (http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=2243895#post2243895). Whenever complaints are posted on websites, Flatout attributes the problems to not enough staff, staff changes, it was the clerk's fault and the clerk's no longer with them, procedure changes, etc. It's generally the same report with each new round of complaints. I generally DO check out companies before purchasing from them, but for some reason I jumped the gun with this one, and BOY have I learned a good lesson! :laugh:
One of the ladies in one of the FZ1 threads Alpha posted yesterday never did get her entire order (she gave up).
The Suzuki dealership that I bought my bike from had most of the parts in stock, but their prices were more expensive to pick up than they were to order online. However, you have shipping costs when you order online, so it all comes out the same (I would match my own online prices if I were Bike World..... Road Rider matches its own online prices, even when their prices are higher in the store). I've heard excellent things about one of our local shops, so I'll be checking with them next time I drop my....er....next time I need parts. :icon_lol:
starwalt is absolutely right. A little communication would have gone a long way, and I'd fire a customer service rep who hung up on a customer without escalating the call (of course, if Chris owns the business, then I guess that would simply be their MO :o :laugh:). I called to get the status of my order. The status of my order was that they had no clue. When I told him I'd dispute any restocking charge he put on our credit card, he hung up on me and the full amount showed immediately up on our credit card (before they even *knew* when they'd receive the parts or be able to ship them). That seems like a rather strange way of keeping customers. He claims that I started the call rudely, but why would I do that when I simply wanted an update? Oh well. Now I know where not to shop. :icon_mrgreen:
BTW, an update: there is no update. Chris posted on BARF yesterday that my order shipped yesterday. The status on Flatout's website for my order still reads "received"....as in, they've received my order. So...no tracking #, no ETA, no change. I've still heard nary a peep from Flatout. :dunno_white:
I love this line from the manager of Flatout:
"Every single employee of Flat Out Motorsports will conduct business with integrity or they will be removed."
If that's the case, why is Chris still working there? :laugh:
Chilly
I think they have a unique definition of integrity. :icon_rolleyes:
I'm with you pandy, if a business refuses to handle customer service with anything but enthusiasm, they will lose my business.
Some businesses I will no longer use:
Flatout Motorcycles
Fieldsheer (although I'm on the edge about this one, I was still very dissatisfied with their customer service)
MAW
Wal-Mart (or at least the one a little ways south of me)
RiderGearOnline.com
Businesses I encourage others to use simply because of my experiences with customer service:
Randalls (Safeway, etc)
Dell (never had any issues with them helping me)
Mr. Cycles
Motorcycle-Superstore.com
SandhillsPowersports.com
BrocktonCycle.com
NewEnough.com
Here's Flatout's latest posting (on a public forum...I've still received nothing from them):
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Originally posted by chris@flatout
please check your e-mail. your tracking was sent to you. i dont want you to tell people in didnt send that to you also. also by the way 10 working days would be on the 8th not the 7th. if we are talking laws here, here is one for you it is called libel check it out. thank you a have a nice day.
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And I replied:
I've had no e-mail from you. I have no tracking from you. The last I checked on your website, the status still read "received," as in, my order has been received.
li·bel n. A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation.
Do you always threaten to sue customers who are dissatisfied with your service? The parts are due on the 7th. The clock starts the day you receive the order, which was the 25th. Those are the FTC's rules, not mine. 25th, 26th, 27th, 30th, 31st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 7th...10 business day. I look forward to receiving my parts by the 7th.
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So....anyone want to order from this company? :laugh:
hmmm, ordered something and it didn't show up like you thought it would?... Well, let me try and keep this civil. Sounds to me like your complaint is unjust. If you fail to read the fine print, then you're at fault, not the company. I had a similar issue with a rear rim. Took 7 days to ship. I had every right to complain, and I did, because there was no fine print, and 7 days is too long to sit on my money. But in your case, they had thier back covered. You called them up expecting to tear them a new one. When you were told that 7-10 was SOP, what more did you want? You wanted to cancel, as I'm sure most other folks would have and had done in the past, so they slam you with a outrageous 20% restocking fee. Well why do you think it is so high? Maybe because people don't read fine print. It's not thier fault that they don't have the item in stock, it's not thier fault that you didn't read the fine print. They shouldn't have hung up on you, but it happens, get over it. I understand your point of view, but I feel that you are wrong.
Quote from: Jarrett on November 02, 2006, 05:58:49 PM
hmmm, ordered something and it didn't show up like you thought it would?... Well, let me try and keep this civil. Sounds to me like your complaint is unjust. If you fail to read the fine print, then you're at fault, not the company. I had a similar issue with a rear rim. Took 7 days to ship. I had every right to complain, and I did, because there was no fine print, and 7 days it too long to sit on my money. But in your case, they had thier back covered. You called them up expecting to tear them a new one. When you were told that 7-10 was SOP, what more did you want? You wanted to cancel, as I'm sure most other folks would have and had done in the past, so they slam you with a outrageous 20% restocking fee. Well why do you think it is so high? Maybe because people don't read fine print. It's not thier fault that they don't have the item in stock, it's not thier fault that you didn't read the fine print. They shouldn't have hung up on you, but it happens, get over it. I understand your point of view, but I feel that you are wrong.
SHUT UP and quit crying i didn't get my decals ----my decals-----my decals :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: cafeboy on November 02, 2006, 06:09:40 PM
Quote from: Jarrett on November 02, 2006, 05:58:49 PM
hmmm, ordered something and it didn't show up like you thought it would?... Well, let me try and keep this civil. Sounds to me like your complaint is unjust. If you fail to read the fine print, then you're at fault, not the company. I had a similar issue with a rear rim. Took 7 days to ship. I had every right to complain, and I did, because there was no fine print, and 7 days it too long to sit on my money. But in your case, they had thier back covered. You called them up expecting to tear them a new one. When you were told that 7-10 was SOP, what more did you want? You wanted to cancel, as I'm sure most other folks would have and had done in the past, so they slam you with a outrageous 20% restocking fee. Well why do you think it is so high? Maybe because people don't read fine print. It's not thier fault that they don't have the item in stock, it's not thier fault that you didn't read the fine print. They shouldn't have hung up on you, but it happens, get over it. I understand your point of view, but I feel that you are wrong.
SHUT UP and quit crying i didn't get my decals ----my decals-----my decals :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
decals... decals..... decals......
:laugh: :laugh:
Whatever guys, hate is hate. Thanks for validating my point that TF BS bleeds over to the main forum and that both of you have the maturity of 10 year olds.
jarrett bro' i don't hate you but you and your decal thing was funny and wrong. you drew first blood and you can't judge me you don't even know me. i have lived a life that would have killed you bro' i went from being beaten by my dad about every day as a child to living on the street when i was 16 due too having lost all family i had to making a good life for myself and making 70k a year.i have a wife a son a house 3 car and 2 bikes and i spend all day with my son. i have maturity and a lot of experience of life how about you ? so now you know me who are you ? or who do you think you are ? oh and thru it all i have never went to jail or got in trouble with the law so i think i'm pretty d### mature
Quote from: Jarrett on November 02, 2006, 05:58:49 PM
hmmm, ordered something and it didn't show up like you thought it would?... Well, let me try and keep this civil.
Dayim, Jarrett....are you still bitter because it was I who sent you your decals instead of john!? :cookoo: :laugh:
Quote from: Jarrett on November 02, 2006, 07:08:01 PM
Whatever guys, hate is hate. Thanks for validating my point that TF BS bleeds over to the main forum and that both of you have the maturity of 10 year olds.
Actually, I think everyone's been pretty patient with you. You were the one who was warned by almost all the mods/admins for being out of line, not cafeboy or NGFL.
This is MY thread to whine in. If you want to whine about the decals you've received, go start your own thread (and try not to get it Tarded this time). :thumb:
Update 8:30PM: received PM on other moto site with tracking # that shows upgraded shipping (and one last threat from Chris @ Flatout :laugh: )....BUT the squeaky wheel got upgraded shipping, so I should receive my package on the 6th (unless UPS loses it! :mad:) :cheers:
Quote from: pandy on November 02, 2006, 09:35:55 PM
Update 8:30PM: received PM on other moto site with tracking # that shows upgraded shipping (and one last threat from Chris @ Flatout :laugh: )....BUT the squeaky wheel got upgraded shipping, so I should receive my package on the 6th (unless UPS loses it! :mad:) :cheers:
sweet :thumb:
Actually, I've been warned too.. for other stupid shaZam!.. :laugh:
But seriously.. my maturity level is not the one in question. I didn't attack someone without provocation.
But yeah.. I'm being immature. Why? Cuz it's fun. :laugh:
Quote from: NiceGuysFinishLast on November 02, 2006, 09:43:20 PM
Actually, I've been warned too.. for other stupid shaZam!.. :laugh: But seriously.. my maturity level is not the one in question. I didn't attack someone without provocation. But yeah.. I'm being immature. Why? Cuz it's fun. :laugh:
That was different silly chit....I was addressing the decals! :laugh:
So...how 'bout them 9er's!? :cry: :cry: :cry:
Good to know that you've all been living life to the fullest. As far as having been through stuff, you don't even compare to me, so don't try. I've been through the gauntlet, and don't wish to elaborate. I'll leave it at that. Pandy, glad to hear it all worked out after having a little patience. Imagine that. NGFL, I understand your struggle too. Good luck to you in your future endeavors. You're a decent dude; I can give you just as hard a time as you've given me. I don't hold a grudge, just busting your chops. You bust mine, and I wouldn't expect anything less. Cafe, I'm glad to hear you've over come all the obstacles in your life. Keep on doing what you're doing. Wish I could say I've never been to jail. I've been to jail in more countries than I can count on one hand. Been around the world, and had a good time. Pandy, if you don't want people to comment on your situation, don't throw it out there on the forum. You know better. Looks like everything turned out ok for now, and I'm happy for you. Let's just squash whatever animosity we've got between each other and move on from here amicably. How bout it? I've got plenty of good advice and info to give. You can take it or leave it, doesn't matter to me. Don't assume your life has been tougher than another person, and therefore you've got the right to treat another like crap. We all have our personal burdens to bear, and nobody's life is more important, or harder than anyone else's. We deal with what we've got on our own plate, and hopefully we make it through to the other side. That goes back to my original argument of treating all people with respect despite their views and what not. It's something I have always done and will continue to do for the rest of my life. I am not on this forum to change your way of thinking or viewpoints on the world. I have other avenues in my life that offer me an opportunity to make change. I'd just like a similar amount of respect that I throw out. Sure, I didn't agree with the way things were going, and I had ever right to voice concern, but we've over come that obstacle and moved on. There is no need to re hash the past in an attempt to belittle another person's point of view. If you don't agree, say as much, and move on.
I like that post. I've got no animosity... I just like giving people crap. I bear no grudges (except against mak, since he's the @$$hole who drove away RG, and her ass was WAY nicer than his.. plus, she posted pics of hers in leather.. and I don't want to see pics of Mak's in leather)
I appreciate the well wishes for future endeavors... My only real future endeavor (for now) is to not wreck my bike anymore in the near future. :laugh: :laugh:
Seriously though, if I give you crap, I don't mean anything by it.. if I was mad at you, you'd know it. I've given Pandy/Pablo some crap before. I was even mad for awhile... then I realized that it was stupid to get mad. I still feel I was (mostly) in the right... but we've resolved our differences.. now I'm just back to making fun of Pandy for dropping her bike so much, and making fun of Pablo cuz he's such a skinny mofo!
Oh, and I get to make fun of Brian for being Sir-Crash-A-Lot... :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Jarrett on November 03, 2006, 01:57:38 AMAs far as having been through stuff, you don't even compare to me, so don't try. I've been through the gauntlet, and don't wish to elaborate.
Quote from: Jarrett on November 03, 2006, 01:57:38 AMDon't assume your life has been tougher than another person, and therefore you've got the right to treat another like crap. We all have our personal burdens to bear, and nobody's life is more important, or harder than anyone else's. We deal with what we've got on our own plate, and hopefully we make it through to the other side.
The above two statements contradict each other. You state that what you've been through is far worse than what anyone else here could possibly imagine, and then you instruct everyone else not to do the same? :dunno_white: I think you'll find that many of us here have had some very-maturing experiences quite young in life.
Quote from: Jarrett on November 03, 2006, 01:57:38 AMPandy, if you don't want people to comment on your situation, don't throw it out there on the forum. You know better.
You weren't commenting on my situation as much as you were dredging up your own past stuff. :bs:
Quote from: Jarrett on November 03, 2006, 01:57:38 AM
Let's just squash whatever animosity we've got between each other and move on from here amicably. How bout it?
Any animosity here is one-sided. We're a family/community here: we rib each other, argue about everything under the son (oil debate anyone? :laugh:), and we kiss and make up. You seem to take offense whenever anyone says something you don't agree with.
Quote from: Jarrett on November 03, 2006, 01:57:38 AM
There is no need to re hash the past in an attempt to belittle another person's point of view. If you don't agree, say as much, and move on.
Yup, this is good advice, and you should follow it, too! :cheers: :thumb:
Quote from: NiceGuysFinishLast on November 03, 2006, 02:25:15 AM
now I'm just back to making fun of Pandy for dropping her bike so much
It's been almost two weeks now, dammit! :flipoff: :laugh:
Or maybe it's closer to a week and a half... :icon_lol:
Quote from: pandy on November 03, 2006, 12:43:19 PM
Quote from: NiceGuysFinishLast on November 03, 2006, 02:25:15 AM
now I'm just back to making fun of Pandy for dropping her bike so much
It's been almost two weeks now, dammit! :flipoff: :laugh:
Or maybe it's closer to a week and a half... :icon_lol:
Everytime pandy drops her bike an Angel gets its wings .... Wait ... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: natedawg120 on November 03, 2006, 02:15:04 PM
Everytime pandy drops her bike an Angel gets its wings .... Wait ... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
HAHAHAHA!!!!! :laugh: :flipoff: :laugh:
Quote from: pandy on November 03, 2006, 12:41:24 PM
Quote from: Jarrett on November 03, 2006, 01:57:38 AMAs far as having been through stuff, you don't even compare to me, so don't try. I've been through the gauntlet, and don't wish to elaborate.
Quote from: Jarrett on November 03, 2006, 01:57:38 AMDon't assume your life has been tougher than another person, and therefore you've got the right to treat another like crap. We all have our personal burdens to bear, and nobody's life is more important, or harder than anyone else's. We deal with what we've got on our own plate, and hopefully we make it through to the other side.
The above two statements contradict each other. You state that what you've been through is far worse than what anyone else here could possibly imagine, and then you instruct everyone else not to do the same? :dunno_white: I think you'll find that many of us here have had some very-maturing experiences quite young in life.
Quote from: Jarrett on November 03, 2006, 01:57:38 AMPandy, if you don't want people to comment on your situation, don't throw it out there on the forum. You know better.
You weren't commenting on my situation as much as you were dredging up your own past stuff. :bs:
Quote from: Jarrett on November 03, 2006, 01:57:38 AM
Let's just squash whatever animosity we've got between each other and move on from here amicably. How bout it?
Any animosity here is one-sided. We're a family/community here: we rib each other, argue about everything under the son (oil debate anyone? :laugh:), and we kiss and make up. You seem to take offense whenever anyone says something you don't agree with.
Quote from: Jarrett on November 03, 2006, 01:57:38 AM
There is no need to re hash the past in an attempt to belittle another person's point of view. If you don't agree, say as much, and move on.
Yup, this is good advice, and you should follow it, too! :cheers: :thumb:
I could debate back and forth with you, but I don't wish to waste my time doing it. :flipoff:
okay everyone. move along. nothing to see.
Quote from: Jarrett on November 03, 2006, 05:28:18 PM
I could debate back and forth with you, but I don't wish to waste my time doing it. :flipoff:
See!! We're all ready finding common ground! :flipoff: :icon_mrgreen: