didn't have the materials handy to do the full exhaust I had intended to build this evening so I just modified the hell out of a stock header to exit on the left side. With luck I'll be able to use the midpipe later when I DO have all the materials handy. Unfortunately for me the carbon fiber for the can is taking all night to set up so I just settled for a cut-off at the moment. My true dual dumps were loud...this is just stupid:
(http://www.photoartclub.net/newtl/newstuff.jpg)
(http://www.photoartclub.net/newtl/newstuff2.jpg)
(http://www.photoartclub.net/newtl/newstuff3.jpg)
(http://www.photoartclub.net/newtl/newstuff4.jpg)
(http://www.photoartclub.net/newtl/newstuff5.jpg)
Need to grind all the welds down and polish it up and it'll look pretty spiffy I think. I certainly like it so far.
thats got to be REDICULOUSLY loud...
A lot like this...
http://www.photoartclub.net/tl3/cc2.mpg
...just a little louder.
(I think that's the right clip)
(not that a clip online is a real testement of volume)
(the Jared guy who does the Subway commercials is a total fanny bandit)
Does it even sound good though? Any open header vehicle I've heard is just too raspy and rough to enjoy.
Take a welding course dude...cause...damn.
-Turd.
ill bet thats LOUD, but don't melt your shoe.
I threw up (a lot) into my mouth when I looked at your bike.
Maybe concentrate on cleaning the bike or even matching the painted bits before hacking more of it apart just because you are bored.
Why is everything that we have seen from you half-assed, because "you didn't have the materials handy"?
Quote from: Turd Ferguson on November 14, 2006, 06:39:18 AM
Does it even sound good though? Any open header vehicle I've heard is just too raspy and rough to enjoy.
Sounds badass at higher RPM...it's not really raspy but it is noisy. Idle sounds like the flubber-car though...quality funny...
Quote from: Mk1inCali on November 14, 2006, 09:53:22 AM
Maybe concentrate on cleaning the bike or even matching the painted bits before hacking more of it apart just because you are bored.
Why is everything that we have seen from you half-assed, because "you didn't have the materials handy"?
...they're unfinnished projects you illiterate twit. Before making retarded comments about other people's work you should consider taking some time to learn how to read. My bike is a testbed for 15 different products...with that much shaZam! going on it's hard to do things like worry about whether the colors match or if there's a little dirt and grime on her.
Looks only matter if you're trying to impress someone shallow...
Take me for example. :laugh:
I am not for the open header pipes but cool projects you have going on. Thats how it was when I had my gs. I had that thing apart trying out different things probably more than I rode it.
I'm just waiting for a couple parts to come in to build up a carbon can for her...she's not going to be run open pipes again. Had waaaayyyyyy too much trouble mapping her right for that...
Mak,
what is whith the super ghetto seat?
also that is a serious RAT BIKE.....
Quote from: werase643 on November 14, 2006, 05:45:46 PMwhat is whith the super ghetto seat?
I think he said something about not having time to make it look nice...
I recall reading something about it...
Looks comfy. :icon_mrgreen: :laugh:
I just read where he likes rock hard dirt bike seats.....just wondering
I had to cut the seat back to clear the TLR tank...I needed a tank and that's what I had. On top of that, Kalee has a hard time riding pillion so I added about an inch of padding to the front seat and extended the rear seat a little bit, then just wrapped vinyl around them...it puts Kalee closer to me and makes it a littler harder for her to slide around on the seat.
The DRZ's seat isn't "hard"...I'd say it was just right...
Quote from: makenzie71 on November 14, 2006, 12:37:09 PM
Quote from: Mk1inCali on November 14, 2006, 09:53:22 AM
Maybe concentrate on cleaning the bike or even matching the painted bits before hacking more of it apart just because you are bored.
Why is everything that we have seen from you half-assed, because "you didn't have the materials handy"?
...they're unfinnished projects you illiterate twit. Before making retarded comments about other people's work you should consider taking some time to learn how to read. My bike is a testbed for 15 different products...with that much shaZam! going on it's hard to do things like worry about whether the colors match or if there's a little dirt and grime on her.
"High mount" setup for the GS. Looks pretty half-assed and unfinished to me, even when you put it For Sale here at gstwin with most people agreeing with me. Got any pictures of stuff that you HAVE finished? I still fail to see where my comments make me even remotely close to an "illiterate twit".
You have time to post as much as you do, do the whole wind generator experiments and still can't finish up the 15 different products you are "testing"? I DO fail to see where you are hiding the 15 different products you are testing. Please enlighten me, oh glorious motorcycle expert!
your inabillity to read makes you an illiterate twit...not too hard to link the two.
the high mount was posted on the bike as it was ONLY because that's the only time I had the setup AND the bike in the same place. It was CLEARLY written that it was not the finnished product and was ONLY posted to show the location of the muffler. The fact that this information has been posted what...nine times now?...and you've as of yet FAILED, miserably, to comprehend the meaning of the words, makes you an illiterate twit.
(http://www.photoartclub.net/tls/another1.jpg)
(http://www.photoartclub.net/tls/another2.jpg)
...bout the best that can be done with a worn out MIG welder without grinding everything down to the point of compramise.
(http://www.photoartclub.net/tls/tls11.JPG)
People seem to love buying the swingarm kits...
Don't have a pic handy of the mak-box but people have thought they looked nice enough to have bought over 30 of them.
Not sure what all you're expecting me to have here...my projects go out the second they're done. I've mentioned that, before, too...numerous times...but I wouldn't expect you to have caught on to that, either.
Quote from: makenzie71 on November 16, 2006, 07:12:05 PM
your inabillity to read makes you an illiterate twit...not too hard to link the two.
the high mount was posted on the bike as it was ONLY because that's the only time I had the setup AND the bike in the same place. It was CLEARLY written that it was not the finnished product and was ONLY posted to show the location of the muffler. The fact that this information has been posted what...nine times now?...and you've as of yet FAILED, miserably, to comprehend the meaning of the words, makes you an illiterate twit.
[img]http://www.photoartclub.net/tls/another1.jpg[img]
[img]http://www.photoartclub.net/tls/another2.jpg[img]
...bout the best that can be done with a worn out MIG welder without grinding everything down to the point of compramise.
[img]http://www.photoartclub.net/tls/tls11.JPG[img]
People seem to love buying the swingarm kits...
Don't have a pic handy of the mak-box but people have thought they looked nice enough to have bought over 30 of them.
Not sure what all you're expecting me to have here...my projects go out the second they're done. I've mentioned that, before, too...numerous times...but I wouldn't expect you to have caught on to that, either.
Your production timeline is irrelevant to this argument.
I'll concede on the high mount point...I had originally only looked at the pictures and didn't read the thread beyond people bagging on your choice of muff for it. My main issue with you is you seem to be happy doing stuff quite sloppily and have little pride in workmanship/overall product quality beyond it being "done" and ready to sell. I have tended to shy away from threads of yours because of this reason, and I'm not going to page through them now to familiarize myself with your production history.
Maybe your standard of "quality" is different than my own and call me snobby/not a true mechanic because I tend towards bolting stuff on, but I sure would not be giving you any money to modify/make parts for any of my bikes.
Aside from all of that, I do have an honest question about the seat, it looks like you've got zip-ties either holding the plastics on, or the undertail to the frame rails. Curious about which it is.
No one asked you to buy any of my products...and I'm not too hurt to lose you as a potential customer. I tend to only deal with people capable of reading. I prefer customers who buy playboys to look at the pictures and read the articles.
Zip-ties do a vaiety of jobs on my bike...likely wht you're seeing are the ties I had just put on to hold the undertail tray to the subframe. They came back off shortly after, which is why the "tails" weren't removed. Their location and what they do is fairly obvious if you look at the pictures.
Quote from: makenzie71 on November 16, 2006, 08:10:09 PM
No one asked you to buy any of my products...and I'm not too hurt to lose you as a potential customer. I tend to only deal with people capable of reading. I prefer customers who buy playboys to look at the pictures and read the articles.
Zip-ties do a vaiety of jobs on my bike...likely wht you're seeing are the ties I had just put on to hold the undertail tray to the subframe. They came back off shortly after, which is why the "tails" weren't removed. Their location and what they do is fairly obvious if you look at the pictures.
Wow...I just lost that much more respect for you. Try working on your command of the english language as much as you have (repeatedly) berated me for not reading your sloppy posts over time.
Do you honestly believe I asked you about the zipties because I didn't see what they were connected to? Please...
Quote from: makenzie71 on November 16, 2006, 08:10:09 PM
I prefer customers who buy playboys to look at the pictures and read the articles.
why bother with the articles?
QuoteDo you honestly believe I asked you about the zipties because I didn't see what they were connected to?
Uhhh...yeah...because you asked. But
I need help with "commanding the English language"?
QuoteCurious about which it is.
Quotewhy bother with the articles?
metaphor, Mr. Pablo...I only deal with customers who will read ALL the commentary associated with available illustrations. Sometimes you have to read the text beneath the picture to get the full impact of what's going on.
Quote from: makenzie71 on November 17, 2006, 12:50:39 AM
QuoteDo you honestly believe I asked you about the zipties because I didn't see what they were connected to?
Uhhh...yeah...because you asked. But I need help with "commanding the English language"?
Yes, Mak...I still believe YOU are the one needing advancement in your command of the English language. As you stated yourself, it is undeniably clear you used the ties to attach the plastics. This is evident to anyone that can see clearly enough to decipher these pixels into letters and form words out of them. It is, therefore, quite obvious (at least to me), that I was not asking you what the actual purpose of the ties was, but rather pointing out to the readers of this thread (and hopefully yourself, but I apparently failed in this regard) that you needed to use zip ties to secure the plastics at all.
Quite ghetto rigged, if you ask me, as I sustain that entire bike being.
If you'd like to continue insulting my communication skills, would you like me to go through this thread and show how ineffective you have been at utilizing the English language, or would the fact that I would be questioning your very e-life's skill in another area push you away from wasting your precious time responding to this "illiterate twit"?
Back to the real issue at hand; the bike. I don't believe you were around at the time when aplitz made a racket (deservedly so, I believe) about Srinath's production of handlebars/clipons/other parts greatly depended upon by the rider and motorcycle itself to be a safe vehicle. He pushed for testing, and some assurance that these parts would not fail during any sort of either routine or emergency maneuver and preferably even after experiencing a crash/low-speed drop. You are not producing handlebars. You are not producing clip-ons. Granted, the exhaust system is not something safety related, but your SSSA conversions certainly are. Just the fact that you have been advertising them in your signature here, thereby associating yourself with this website (which I have been a member/poster of for much longer than yourself), is almost crossing the line of appropriateness, especially considering it is not for the prominent bike we all come here to discuss.
QuoteIf you'd like to continue insulting my communication skills
No...see this is what I'm talking about. The only thing I've insulted was your abillity to read. This is something that you've made apparent rather repeatedly. Such as with the commentary about the swingarm being "unsafe" based on the fact that you believe my jigs aren't "pretty" enough for you. Well the combined 54,000 miles on all the kits I've saold says they're safe. ELF Europr/Japan says they're safe. Ducati says they're safe. Honda says they're safe. The only fully fabricated parts that have anything to do with the running condition of the bike are the pivot bolt (4140 tempered steel) and the suspension bracketry (1/2" 1050 plate). Yeah...they're way mondo super unsafe. This, by the way, is also information that I've already posted numerous times (goes along with that whole "you don't read anything" catagory). If they're unsafe, it's because the guy who installed it did something wrong which is why I have clearly posted in my listings:
QuoteAfter installation of this kit it is strongly suggested that it be first taken to your mechanic for propper inspection. I will accept no responisbillity for accidents or damage as a result of the customer not installing it correctly. (http://photoartclub.net/forums/showthread.php?t=172)
This is why, when it's possible, I insist on installing the kits personally.
The customer's safety is always a prime concern of mine...and it's why I refused to build the kits for the TLR. The suspension bracketry wasn't compatible, and nothing else can safely support the bike using the suspension I've chosen.
Anything else?
And to add...
Quote from: Mk1inCali on November 17, 2006, 01:17:00 AM
Yes, Mak...I still believe YOU are the one needing advancement in your command of the English language. As you stated yourself, it is undeniably clear you used the ties to attach the plastics. This is evident to anyone that can see clearly enough to decipher these pixels into letters and form words out of them. It is, therefore, quite obvious (at least to me), that I was not asking you what the actual purpose of the ties was, but rather pointing out to the readers of this thread (and hopefully yourself, but I apparently failed in this regard) that you needed to use zip ties to secure the plastics at all.
...just because I love this (since we're going to bicker about which one of us has a problem with English):
Quotelikely wht you're seeing are the ties I had just put on to hold the undertail tray to the subframe.
Yeah nowhere did I say anything about using the ties to hold anything plastic on or down or whatever. My actual words were "to hold the undertail tray to the subframe"...incidently, this is how it's supposed to be held on; with zip-ties. I mean the pic of the undertail shows the ties pretty clearly. Considering your tendency to look but not read I would have thought you'd caught that. You shouldn't try to attack things you don't understand.
At any rate, you can feel the bike's as ghetto as you want...the only things remotely "ghetto" are the TLR tank and the seat I had to cut down to fit the tank, but believe whatever you want. Why don't you take a few minutes sometime and check out how many 128rwhp TL1000S' there are out there (stock TLS block)...
real ghetto I know. I'm also sure lots of "ghetto" bikes out there are built around Ohlins, Yoshimura, Race-Tech, Showa, K&N, RK, Brembo, Galfer, Elf and lots of carbon fiber bits...
ok this is rediculous.
Mak, the only problem here is that you continuously refuse to accept criticism.
With regards to your GS exhaust, people critiqued it and made suggestions on how to improve it. I know I myself made suggestions, and your response was something along the lines of it being finished no matter what anyone thinks. So how many of them have you sold again???? If that's your attitude then you're gonna get blasted for trying to pull off some crap like that. You posted the pictures on the site thinking that people were going to drop their pants and bend over to purchase it from you. What you got instead was a general response that it sucked and you are a hack; mainly because of your attitude against improving it. Your exhaust was horrible. It had little-to-nothing to do with it being unfinished. It sucked in general.
I'm sure you're pissed & it hurts when you know (in your own mind) that your skills are much better than what people are thinking.
WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO PROVE THAT TO US!
Yet, for some reason, you keep posting pictures of complete HACK jobs on your bikes. Of course people are going to raise an eyebrow and question/criticize your work. If you refuse to accept peoples' opinions and improve the quality of your work, then you're gonna get laughed at because your defensive, stubborn attitude is pretty sad.
Your project bike is completly ghetto-rigged. NOT because you have 10 different projects going on at once, but because all of your projects appear to be hack-jobs from the pictures you post.
It's really sad and an obvious indication of your lack of character, when your only response is insults and calling people "illiterate twits".
Try improving the quality of your work.
I have no problem with criticism...would "ok" be a better response to "your swingarms are unsafe"? Sorry...cant do it.
Quote from: l3uddha on November 17, 2006, 11:06:24 AM
So how many of them have you sold again????
None...and I'm not worried about it. People here can't make up their mind what they want and, I'm sorry, but I can't cater to the impossible. Everybody's idea od the "perfect" setup wasn't an accomplishable feat without permenent modification to the bike. You can't do a traditional high-mount AND keep the rear peg without sacraficing tubing size to the extreme of pointlessness. I should have built a better low mount, but no one was interested in that. Lack of interest in customer base = lack of interest in production. Simple business.
Whether you believe anything about the bike is "ghetto" or not is irellevent...though I think you'll have to do better than a couple zip ties and some mud to be convincing. I feel people like you will have something negetive to say about any work not done with a TIG machine or with lazer cut pieces and all that nonsense. I build my products to appeal to people who want to modify something without sacrificing Jr's meal ticket. This leaves me with hand cut components, MIG welding when I have access (Stick if not), using mild and aluminized steels, cheap south american circuitry, lower grade wire, salvaged harness plugs, etc. The swingarm kits are the only exception to the "cheap as possible" routine. I can't afford to make high dollar personal projects anymore than my customers can afford them. Even my carbon fiber bits are made from materials from "the lowest bidder".
Quote from: makenzie71 on November 17, 2006, 01:48:14 AM
QuoteIf you'd like to continue insulting my communication skills
No...see this is what I'm talking about. The only thing I've insulted was your abillity to read. This is something that you've made apparent rather repeatedly. Such as with the commentary about the swingarm being "unsafe" based on the fact that you believe my jigs aren't "pretty" enough for you. Well the combined 54,000 miles on all the kits I've saold says they're safe. ELF Europr/Japan says they're safe. Ducati says they're safe. Honda says they're safe. The only fully fabricated parts that have anything to do with the running condition of the bike are the pivot bolt (4140 tempered steel) and the suspension bracketry (1/2" 1050 plate). Yeah...they're way mondo super unsafe. This, by the way, is also information that I've already posted numerous times (goes along with that whole "you don't read anything" catagory). If they're unsafe, it's because the guy who installed it did something wrong which is why I have clearly posted in my listings:
QuoteAfter installation of this kit it is strongly suggested that it be first taken to your mechanic for propper inspection. I will accept no responisbillity for accidents or damage as a result of the customer not installing it correctly. (http://photoartclub.net/forums/showthread.php?t=172)
This is why, when it's possible, I insist on installing the kits personally.
The customer's safety is always a prime concern of mine...and it's why I refused to build the kits for the TLR. The suspension bracketry wasn't compatible, and nothing else can safely support the bike using the suspension I've chosen.
Anything else?
Who says that the 1/2 inch 1050 plate is sufficient? You? I'm supposed to trust my bike to some internet yahoo that says so? No thanks.
The combined mileage statement means bull if you've sold 10 kits. I'm fairly certain you could empty the bikes of all oil and coolant and still get at least 5K miles out of each one before it blew up.
Just the fact you are calling TIG welding and laser machinery nonsense scares me when you say you are in the production business. Your statements after the Jr's meal ticket make no sense to me. If someone can't afford to make proper bolt ons/major work done by businesses that are forced to go through product testing and have a real responsibility and accountability towards their customers (not simply posting some BS disclaimer against faulty installations) then I firmly believe they shouldn't be hacking their bike apart to modify it. Simple common sense.
Not to add further insult to injury man, but f%$k...I'm drunk as hell and I've deleted almost as many characters as I have successfully typed tonight, but I still believe my post here is more coherent than most of your posts.
In response to your "I have no problem with criticism..." I think you are full of something...I've never seen you say "Oh, that's a good idea, I'll implement that right now. Not asking you to prove to me that you are flexible and understanding of your potential customer's requests, but shaZam! man...
Quote from: Mk1inCali on November 18, 2006, 02:08:30 AM
Who says that the 1/2 inch 1050 plate is sufficient? You? I'm supposed to trust my bike to some internet yahoo that says so? No thanks.
Simple math. The supporting bracket is subject to 673lbs of force. This is roughly 1/3 the materials threshold giving the plate's design.
QuoteThe combined mileage statement means bull if you've sold 10 kits. I'm fairly certain you could empty the bikes of all oil and coolant and still get at least 5K miles out of each one before it blew up.
Four.
QuoteJust the fact you are calling TIG welding and laser machinery nonsense
They're costly processes that defeat my intentions. The cost of adequate TIG machinery and having bracketry lazer cut means I have to charge more...which means they could get stuff from mainstream manufacturers. My exhausts have provided numbers comparable to mainstream manufacturers, when I've built them with competition in mind, at the sole expense of being made of mild steels and stuck together with MIG machinery.
QuoteIf someone can't afford to make proper bolt ons/major work done by businesses that are forced to go through product testing and have a real responsibility and accountability towards their customers (not simply posting some BS disclaimer against faulty installations) then I firmly believe they shouldn't be hacking their bike apart to modify it.
rofl I had 6000 miles on mine before I delivered a swingarm kit, and I've been building exhausts for 10 years using the same principals.
QuoteNot asking you to prove to me that you are flexible and understanding of your potential customer's requests, but shaZam! man...
Don't have to ask...just look at the GS high mount I built. That entire thing was an accumilation of potential customer's requests...nothing like what I wanted to build myself.
The simple fact here is that you think something is ugly, therefor unsafe. That a person's "quality of work" can be judged by the fact that an undertail is held on with zip ties or that there's stacked welds instead nice, pretty TIG welds or that parts are cut with acetylene and ground down...your strongest argument is trivial. Simply don't buy anything from me. Your problem's solved.
Hey all,
I just want to jump in here and say that I enjoy seeing what Mak's up to. I'm glad he shares photos of his project. Let's face it, most of us feel pretty damn proud when we bolt on some aftermarket accessory. :laugh: ("Woo Hoo, look at me--I just added some CRG wannabe bar-end mirrors from ebay!"--btw, they turned out to be total p.o.s. :icon_lol:).
It's cool that Mak cuts, welds, and experiments with his bike. He has the tools, abilities, time, and space that many of us could only dream of. I would hate for Mak or anyone else to stop sharing their photos for fear of criticism or attack. Hell, I would wager that many of us are vicarious onlookers in Mak's and others' garages.
Mk1inCali, I'm certainly not suggesting that you curb your feedback. After all, that's the way most of us grow and learn. But take a moment to honestly look at the tone of your first e-mail in this thread. A little bit of tact would have gone a long way.
Anyway, back to your on-line version of roshambo http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=roshambo, gentlemen. Just wanted to add my two cents.
Chilly
Thanks Chilly!
Basically people comment on your work Mak. And to be honest you say you take them into consideration but all i've heard is everyone who criticises you been told to STFU.
As for the high mount its a fantastic idea. However you don't just ask a customer what they want - get told its a custom high mount then you go make it and say its done like it or lump it. It's called product development. You pilot the first ones see what people think then you make changes as is needed. Your high mount could have potentially been a huge money making venture on GStwins if you had taken the time to develop it properly. Obviously though you would rather start another couple of projects for your enjoyment.
Also if you've been making exhausts for 10 years and are welding all the time to make all your customer stuff why not just invest in a bloody TIG man. . .
If your going to make your products to the masses then fine pilot your stuff with cheaper materials - talk to your customers about the functionality of the products - make design changes and upgrade qualities of materials to match what your customers will pay. Its common sense.
If you want to make products people will like then stop basing this all on luck of throwing something together which will sell and put a buisness head on.
Chilly and Kasumi, good stuff.
Mak- I simply request that you continue to do the work to the best of your ability and if I see something I think isn't cool I'll speak up but otherwise I'll stfu about how your stuff looks completely hack and ghetto. I know welding, I have taken a couple classes and used TIG stuff before, even though it's not regular real-world practice, I was always within the top 3 on our weld strength tests, from stick to oxy-ace to MIG.
So...continue on...
::shrugs::
Quote from: Kasumi on November 18, 2006, 03:17:31 PM
Basically people comment on your work Mak. And to be honest you say you take them into consideration but all i've heard is everyone who criticises you been told to STFU.
Just oncerning incomplete work...when it's clearly labeled "incomplete".
QuoteAs for the high mount its a fantastic idea. However you don't just ask a customer what they want - get told its a custom high mount then you go make it and say its done like it or lump it. It's called product development. You pilot the first ones see what people think then you make changes as is needed. Your high mount could have potentially been a huge money making venture on GStwins if you had taken the time to develop it properly. Obviously though you would rather start another couple of projects for your enjoyment.
Actually no one made constructive suggestions...they said stuff like route the plumbing behind the pillion peg (no room) and use a different can (not cost effective and would require new plumbing setup) and stuff like that. It's just not viable. I'll continue to offer an exhaust but it'll be a low mount with the can's base hung in th factory location. I may offer a highmount again later if materials become available to me to keep the same price tag.
QuoteAlso if you've been making exhausts for 10 years and are welding all the time to make all your customer stuff why not just invest in a bloody TIG man. . .
It's a budget thing...I usually charge little more than the cost of construction and the profits from the cheap projects go to help fund the expensive to produce projects (like the swingarm and makbox). I had a cheap-o one from harbor freight but it went all aizzly on me after only about 100 hours of work time. I may pick up another...I just haven't had anything come along to justify the cost yet. They're asking for a stainless exhaust on TLP, and some titanium bits too, and I'll get a higher quality one if that turns out and I'll have it around for general use.
Since this thread was already pretty low on the old relevance meter to much out of our 2 reputations here at GST, and I have some time to burn before going out for the night, I googled mak's moniker.
Results:
I have:
1992 EX500, 20 some odd thousand miles, body in really rough shape, motor in "fair" shape but needs valves adjusted and carburetor work. Sat a long time without running is the big thing. Rebuilt wiring harness is about as far as I got into the "refurbish" process...lol. Has title. All lights and everything works.
(year uncertain) 500R. Unkown actual mileage, <1000 on full engine rebuild. Race bike, custom solo-tail, race compounds, CBR F3 front end, F2 rear end, yosh headers with D+D high-mount can, and lots of work I haven't even found yet. I bought this bike mostly for the engine and suspension work done to it. She handles amazingly, SUPER light and VERY flickable...if it weren't for the power advantage she'd have my TL beat. VERY fast, strong bike. New brakes and fluids. No title, can get it. About 180lbs of extra engine parts comes with it.
1992 suzuki Bandit 400. Bought it from TGold...when it runs, this bike is 100% amazement between my legs. I'm always amazed by it's handling...except when it comes to stopping (never impressed me). Race bike, no lights and rear frame cut for weight (harness 100% intact though), fair battleaxes on both ends, needs to be in the the care of a carb-professional to run well again. Right now she'll fire up but she does not have any power. Comes with small box of pare parts. No title, attainable through the DMV but I neevr got around to legallizing the bike so I never bothered with the title.
The Ninjas I bought to assemble a single, solid bike for my girl to learn on (haven't gotten around to getting it done, yet, though) and the bandit I just have lying around the shop taking up space. I found something else though that wouldn't require work and be just as forgiving as the ninja but I need $2500 for all three of these bikes to make it happen.
So basically, I need $2500, or else there's no point in selling any. The setup on the 500R is well worth most of that for anyone looking for a good track bike.
Post, pm, or email me for pictures. I'm trying to get a slew of them hosted right now...
(some of that may seem funny posted here, but I copy/paste it to all my forums...)
Anyway, I'm looking for fair shape 600 or 620 monster. My only preferences are that the bike run well, have a good maintanance record, and be safe and rideable for a beginner. It doesn't have to be cosmetically sound or even have a perfect title (anything registerable in TX is fine). It just needs to be good for a starter.
The 600 monster is the only bike that fits my girl perfectly. Even the ninjas I was going to start her on were just a hair too tall. Willing to trade the three racers (well, 2 1/2 racers...) + cash for an M6.
Quote
Call me what you will for doing further research on this, but that post had me shuddering through most of it.
The point you're making is lost on me. Try being coherent.
maybe you are illiterate?
Am I the one that is retarded here or am I missing something?
I make note of some issues I feel uneasy about. He says I can't read and should stfu. Back and forth, back and forth until I just posted that from the ducati monster forum and he says I'm not coherent.
???
you boob...you quoted an old post...you didn't make any notes outside of saying "I shuddered".
I think he was inferring that your bikes are shitty/look like crap/are mechanically unsound. But whatever you two get a room already.
Mak How in the $h!t caan you work with all of that Room? :laugh: :laugh: I'd be Lost.
Quote from: makenzie71 on November 18, 2006, 09:36:04 PM
The point you're making is lost on me. Try being coherent.
Typical childish attitude Mak. It's no wonder why people are arguing with you in thread after thread, forum after forum. I thought this argumant was going to fizzle out after what Mk1 said, but you obviously want to keep it going for some reason... :dunno_white:
I'll start with this:
Quote from: makenzie71 on November 18, 2006, 08:46:00 PM
Just oncerning incomplete work...when it's clearly labeled "incomplete".
You said yourself that the highmount GS exhaust was finished, with the exception of the black paint. Sorry to be the one(hundredth) to tell you this Mak, but the lack of finish on the pipe wasnt the problem.
Quote from: makenzie71 on November 18, 2006, 08:46:00 PM
Actually no one made constructive suggestions...they said stuff like route the plumbing behind the pillion peg (no room) and use a different can (not cost effective and would require new plumbing setup) and stuff like that. It's just not viable. I'll continue to offer an exhaust but it'll be a low mount with the can's base hung in th factory location. I may offer a highmount again later if materials become available to me to keep the same price tag.
You got tons of great suggestions for improving the exhaust! You could have made some small changes, but admit it; you just didnt feel like doing it! You never even set a price either! So what do you mean "keep the same price tag"? Doing a little more R&D to come up with a better system, based on the suggestions you get, wont significantly raise any (imaginary) price tag. Come up with a great exhaust and people WILL pay damn good money for it! Come up with a crap exhaust, and well... you dont get crap for it.
1) I dont know about that, looks pretty wack. The long pipe going from under the bike to the can really draws attention from the can itself.
2) I think a little bend up and then out after the mounting point to make it more even w/ the rear body line would be perfect
3) tuck the pipe into the frame of the bike. right now it hangs out too much and just looks like a monstrosity; even when painted black.
4) what ever can be done to hide the pipe better would look great.
5) get the can in-line with the tail plastic.
6) I am surprised that you did not put some kind of S-bend after the peg to angle the exhaust down some. There is room, evethough it would not have been mounted as high as it is now, which looks like crap.
7) The angles are all wrong. It's a better job than I could ever do... but that's why I'm not doing it. I agree it needs to be in line with the tail to not make my eyes cross when I look at it. I would have photoshopped a few revs before making anything out of metal.
8) Definitely not gonna attract alot of people with that kind of fit and finish. Tig welded exhaust with aesthetic curves in SS and then you may get a more positive response
You got tons of constructive criticism Mak. THE PROBLEM IS THAT RATHER THAN TAKE NOTE OF THEM, YOU FOLLOWED EACH ONE WITH A FRIGGIN LAME EXCUSE!!!!
I dont know what kind of fantasy world you're living in, but succesful products are based off of the customers' needs and wants. You made the idea of a highmount sound great and people DO want one. What you came up with was not what people wanted. We gave you more, precise ideas of what we wanted... and yes, you basically told us that THAT WAS IT and to stfu. Rather than improve what should have been the test version, to which would be modified further; you decided to can the whole idea, get pissey, and make an embarrasment out of yourself. It's your own fault.
Kasumi stated it much better.
Quote from: Kasumi on November 18, 2006, 03:17:31 PM
Basically people comment on your work Mak. And to be honest you say you take them into consideration but all i've heard is everyone who criticises you been told to STFU.
As for the high mount its a fantastic idea. However you don't just ask a customer what they want - get told its a custom high mount then you go make it and say its done like it or lump it. It's called product development. You pilot the first ones see what people think then you make changes as is needed. Your high mount could have potentially been a huge money making venture on GStwins if you had taken the time to develop it properly. Obviously though you would rather start another couple of projects for your enjoyment.
Also if you've been making exhausts for 10 years and are welding all the time to make all your customer stuff why not just invest in a bloody TIG man. . .
If your going to make your products to the masses then fine pilot your stuff with cheaper materials - talk to your customers about the functionality of the products - make design changes and upgrade qualities of materials to match what your customers will pay. Its common sense.
If you want to make products people will like then stop basing this all on luck of throwing something together which will sell and put a buisness head on.
Or how about making products that you actually plan on developing from crap into QUALITY. I suggest getting a GS to use as a test-mule if you're going to continue on making mods for the GS. I dont know how the hell you plan on making ANY quality parts for the GS when all you're doing is getting a bike for a few hours, taking a few measurements, and then the bike is GONE and you're making the parts. I suppose you're just crossing your fingers when the bike does return in hopes that it actually fits. Seems pretty similar to measuring once and cutting twice.
You have virtually NO research and development for your products, you never seem to have access to the correct or "good" parts, and what's worse is that you're trying to make mods for a bike that you dont even own and have very sparce access to. What scares me is that, with your obviously disfunctional design process, you next wanted to move up to a front brake mod, after failing miserably with the exhaust. ummmmm.... RED FLAG!!!!!
I don't get why you're attacking mak for moving to brakes from exhaust. Functionally, his exhaust performs fine. It routes the exhaust from the engine through a muffler, creates the right amount of back pressure, and keeps the bike from running like shaZam!. Just because it's ugly doesn't mean it doesn't work.
Quote from: NiceGuysFinishLast on November 19, 2006, 12:51:25 PM
I don't get why you're attacking mak for moving to brakes from exhaust. Functionally, his exhaust performs fine. It routes the exhaust from the engine through a muffler, creates the right amount of back pressure, and keeps the bike from running like shaZam!. Just because it's ugly doesn't mean it doesn't work.
I dont think that the biggest complaint here is what does to his bike. What I think really gets everybody's "goat" is that while Mak feels no restraint in criticizing others work here on the board, that any little bit of criticism to his own work results in a childish attack as his response.
Quote from: l3uddha on November 19, 2006, 09:52:45 AM
Typical childish attitude Mak. It's no wonder why people are arguing with you in thread after thread, forum after forum. I thought this argumant was going to fizzle out after what Mk1 said, but you obviously want to keep it going for some reason... :dunno_white:
Actually it was Mk1's insistance that kept this up...he made an attack, I defend. That's all there is.
QuoteYou said yourself that the highmount GS exhaust was finished, with the exception of the black paint. Sorry to be the one(hundredth) to tell you this Mak, but the lack of finish on the pipe wasnt the problem.
Some more people with litteracy issues... :icon_rolleyes:
People keep saying these are the finnished product (as what happened in this very thread:
http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount1.jpg
http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount2.jpg
http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount3.jpg
http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount4.jpg
It was pointed out clearly that those pictures were simply to show where the can sits with the finnished product, and they were taken with the rough setup because I wasn't going to have the bike there (I mean how many f%$king times does this exact same line need to be posted?). Had you paid attention you would have noticed that the finnished product (minus paint) was this:
http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount5.jpg
http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount6.jpg
http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount7.jpg
http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount8.jpg
http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount9.jpg
http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount10.jpg
http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount11.jpg
http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount12.jpg
http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount13.jpg
http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount14.jpg
http://www.photoartclub.net/gshimount/gshimount15.jpg
QuoteYou got tons of great suggestions for improving the exhaust!
Actuall...no I didn't. Nothing that hadn't already been taken into consideration long before I had the bike there to build on.
1) I dont know about that, looks pretty wack. The long pipe going from under the bike to the can really draws attention from the can itself.
~That's where people wanted the can. No other way to get it there.
2) I think a little bend up and then out after the mounting point to make it more even w/ the rear body line would be perfect
~Won't carry over between body styles.
3) tuck the pipe into the frame of the bike. right now it hangs out too much and just looks like a monstrosity; even when painted black.
~No room...and the tubing actually is closer to the body and frame that stock. It's as close as it can get without modification to the frame.
4) what ever can be done to hide the pipe better would look great.
~It's as hidden as it can get without modification to the frame.
5) get the can in-line with the tail plastic.
~See number 2. Won't carry over between body styles.
6) I am surprised that you did not put some kind of S-bend after the peg to angle the exhaust down some. There is room, evethough it would not have been mounted as high as it is now, which looks like crap.
~See number 2.
7) The angles are all wrong. It's a better job than I could ever do... but that's why I'm not doing it. I agree it needs to be in line with the tail to not make my eyes cross when I look at it. I would have photoshopped a few revs before making anything out of metal.
~See number 2.
8) Definitely not gonna attract alot of people with that kind of fit and finish. Tig welded exhaust with aesthetic curves in SS and then you may get a more positive response
~Tig welding + SS = not my customer base. It'd cost more than V&H/etc.
I remember every single complement, complaint, and suggestion. I responded to them all appropriately.
QuoteWhat you came up with was not what people wanted.
It actually is an accumilation what everyone asked for, as closely adapted to an unmodified frame as possible. My primary requests were"
upswept cans like TL/RC/RVT/Mille/etc
unmodified frame
shorty can (only one I used at the time anyway)
cheap
Barring the unrealistic, what people asked for is exactly what I gave them. Target price was $200 shipped. Upswept shorty can, unmodified frame and dirt cheap.
Quoteyou next wanted to move up to a front brake mod, after failing miserably with the exhaust. ummmmm.... RED FLAG!!!
It wasn't a failure. No one wanted it because it didn't look like an exhaust made for a bike that actually has room for a high mount...owned by people who can afford higher dollar yoshies and M4's and shaZam! like that.
The caliper adaptes are very effective, by the way. Just adapters themselves I've sold nearly 100 to nearly as many very happy customers...and I used them on my bandit, FZ600, EX500's, and still use them on my XS.
Quote from: wannabebiker2006 on November 19, 2006, 01:09:50 PM
I dont think that the biggest complaint here is what does to his bike. What I think really gets everybody's "goat" is that while Mak feels no restraint in criticizing others work here on the board, that any little bit of criticism to his own work results in a childish attack as his response.
There's a difference between criticism and an attack...you should really take the time to go back check out what really happened instead of just popping up in random place to spew nonsense. By the way, you'll actually be extreme hard pressed to find any negetive criticism or an attack on my part toward anything that someone has put their own hard work into. Though their own projects may not suit my taste, I applaud anyone who actually builds anything.
Quote from: makenzie71 on November 14, 2006, 12:37:09 PM
...they're unfinnished projects you illiterate twit. Before making retarded comments about other people's work you should consider taking some time to learn how to read.
THere are many more but you are not worth the time to fish through all of your spew to find them.
Dont worry Mak. You are still pretty.
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o220/wannabebiker2006/461561027_l.jpg)
Quote from: wannabebiker2006 on November 19, 2006, 04:30:21 PM
THere are many more but you are not worth the time to fish through all of your spew to find them
Many
more? That's not even one. Another moron.
Quote from: makenzie71 on November 14, 2006, 12:37:09 PM
...they're unfinnished projects you illiterate twit. Before making retarded comments about other people's work you should consider taking some time to learn how to read.
Illiterate twit IS a childish attack. An appropiate adult response would go something like, "...they're unfinished projects." or "...they're unfinnished projects. Maybe I was unclear, or maybe you misunderstood a part of my post." And just leave that second sentence out. That has no other purpose than to be an attack.
Oh wait I found another childish attack in your last post. "Another moron."
Dont worry, Mak. You're still pretty.
Quote from: wannabebiker2006 on November 19, 2006, 05:17:04 PM
Quote from: makenzie71 on November 14, 2006, 12:37:09 PM
...they're unfinnished projects you illiterate twit. Before making retarded comments about other people's work you should consider taking some time to learn how to read.
Illiterate twit IS a childish attack. An appropiate adult response would go something like, "...they're unfinished projects." or "...they're unfinnished projects. Maybe I was unclear, or maybe you misunderstood a part of my post." And just leave that second sentence out. That has no other purpose than to be an attack.
Oh wait I found another childish attack in your last post. "Another moron."
Dont worry, Mak. You're still pretty.
aj?
First thought, myself...but let it go as I didn't smell anything "wierd".