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Title: Before I spend more money - Is the battery really the problem?
Post by: themaffeo on December 12, 2006, 08:58:27 PM
Ok, I haven't been around in a long while..  probably because i havent' been riding in a long while. (about 8 months) (mainly because i got a ticket).  During that time i stored my bike outside, but I live in san diego, so it's only rained probably 8 times in that duration and never had any "extreme" temperatures (below 40, above 100)

Regardless, I started feeling the urge to go ride some more, ticket be damned.. but when I went to start my bike:

1) Engine turns over once, then clicking from under the seat.

Being a good boy, i came to the forum and searched.  Tried a few things (prime for a few seconds, then try start, etc) and eventually gathered that the problem was my battery.

So I went out and bought a battery charger deal for 40 bucks.  I took out my battery and saw the fluid was just above the bottome fill line so that was good.  I hooked it up to the charge. Much to my suprise, it read "charged" after only 10 minutes.  Weird.  So I took the battery back out to the bike, connected it.

This time it turns over 3, maybe 4 times and then stops.  Subsequent tries get maybe a half a turn and then clicking.

Back to the forms.  I find this post:
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=19154.0 (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=19154.0)

which seems to describe my problem.. but I'm a little afraid of spending 50 bucks for a battery and find out its something else and then have two good batteries and a charger when i could have been spending money on the problem.

So am i on the right track? any other ideas/suggetions?

thanks.

-nathan

Title: Re: Before I spend more money - Is the battery really the problem?
Post by: TragicImage on December 12, 2006, 09:05:21 PM
have you tried to push start your bike?
Title: Re: Before I spend more money - Is the battery really the problem?
Post by: themaffeo on December 12, 2006, 09:10:54 PM
nope.  not a bad suggestion though
Title: Re: Before I spend more money - Is the battery really the problem?
Post by: Chuck on December 12, 2006, 09:15:08 PM
If the battery is more than a couple years old, it's entirely possible that it's completely sulfated from sitting discharged (and they will discharge themselves over time from just sitting).  When that happens, they have a far reduced capacity.  You'll charge them and they'll appear "full" but only give you a few cranks, like you're describing.  It's possible to recover them, by running them through a bunch of charge/discharge cycles or using a desulfator charger but that's been a mixed bag in my personal experience.  A new battery always works.

So if your really super-cheap, try charging it, starting it, charging it, etc... and you might "exercise" your battery back into a barely working state, but if that works, you'll probably want to get a new one anyway.
Title: Re: Before I spend more money - Is the battery really the problem?
Post by: annguyen1981 on December 12, 2006, 09:20:53 PM
Chuck is right.

Get a new batt
Title: Re: Before I spend more money - Is the battery really the problem?
Post by: themaffeo on December 12, 2006, 09:24:12 PM
cool thnx.  I'll go pick one up tomorrow and try it out!
Title: Re: Before I spend more money - Is the battery really the problem?
Post by: scratch on December 12, 2006, 09:30:50 PM
The bike was sitting for 8 months.

Prevention: http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=312.0

Hope this helps for next time.
Title: Re: Before I spend more money - Is the battery really the problem?
Post by: Mk1inCali on December 12, 2006, 10:02:21 PM
Nate-

Let's go for a ride sometime...I might be getting the GS back this weekend...


I live in PB now, too.
Title: Re: Before I spend more money - Is the battery really the problem?
Post by: themaffeo on December 12, 2006, 10:18:39 PM
Quote from: Mk1inCali on December 12, 2006, 10:02:21 PM
Nate-

Let's go for a ride sometime...I might be getting the GS back this weekend...


I live in PB now, too.

you know what? that sounds like an awesome idea.  Hopefully i can get everythign working this week and spend a few dayus getting the feel of the bike back.  I'm out of state for like a week and a half for xmas, but we def should go ride like early jan? maybe first week.. i dunno.  i'll hit u up on myspace.
Title: Re: Before I spend more money - Is the battery really the problem?
Post by: The Buddha on December 13, 2006, 06:59:14 AM
Yea, carbs need to be clean, valves need to be adjusted, and heck they need to be rejetted and have a good air filter. Cos 3-4 cranks is plenty to start a bike. Else buy a new battery - like a sealed one from walmart and drop it in side ways.
Cool.
Srinath.
Title: Re: Before I spend more money - Is the battery really the problem?
Post by: Jace009gs on December 13, 2006, 09:11:57 AM
yea your battery is dead it dosn't hold a charge, that why the charger is done in 10minutes and that's also why it pooo-pooos out on you after 3-4 cranks
Title: Re: Before I spend more money - Is the battery really the problem?
Post by: themaffeo on December 13, 2006, 09:28:25 AM
Quote from: seshadri_srinath on December 13, 2006, 06:59:14 AM
Yea, carbs need to be clean, valves need to be adjusted, and heck they need to be rejetted and have a good air filter. Cos 3-4 cranks is plenty to start a bike. Else buy a new battery - like a sealed one from walmart and drop it in side ways.


i really, really, really, home the carbs don't need any work..  I checked out the how-to page and yea... that's just a tad beyond my skill level.  I'm pretty sure i'd break everything. =)
Title: Re: Before I spend more money - Is the battery really the problem?
Post by: The Buddha on December 13, 2006, 09:35:28 AM
Well, I guess put a new battery in and fresh gas and ride it regularly ... will clean itself out ...
Cool.
Srinath.
Title: Re: Before I spend more money - Is the battery really the problem?
Post by: Chuck on December 13, 2006, 09:54:57 AM
Quote from: themaffeo on December 13, 2006, 09:28:25 AM
that's just a tad beyond my skill level.  I'm pretty sure i'd break everything. =)

I spent years thinking that.  Guess what?  My skill level didn't get any better.

Then I started to just do it, as they say.  A pile of simple tools, a Haynes manual, and some common sense is all I've ever had.  I haven't had to bring any of my bikes to a so-called "professional" mechanic yet.  Sometimes I show up here and ask some embarassingly stupid questions, but that's just for aspects that I haven't had any experience yet.  (Like some of my recent exhaust questions... I have no f'n clue.  :laugh: )
Title: Re: Before I spend more money - Is the battery really the problem?
Post by: gsbarry on December 13, 2006, 10:02:58 AM
Its most likely the battery. Had a Suzuki 4 wheeler that did the same. Stored it outside in a shed for a few months. Went out and nothing but a click click. Put it on the charger and after a night tried it out and it would do a slow weak crank and stop , slow weak crank and then stop. Put the multi-meter on the battery and it showed 11.9 volts. BUttttttt when you hook it up , turn the key on , lights and try to crank over a 4 stroke motor with a weak but fully charged battery...... that 11.9 goes to about 3 or 4. Put a new battery in it and Vroom.

Good luck , go with a battery first.

~Barry~
Title: Re: Before I spend more money - Is the battery really the problem?
Post by: TheGoodGuy on December 13, 2006, 12:24:24 PM
damn you.. you just reminded my GS has a new battery in it.. sitting in the garage of my parents house for the last 6 months.. cause i am not home to ride.

bah!

when i get back to LA i have to do a complete overhaul of the ole GS.
Title: Re: Before I spend more money - Is the battery really the problem?
Post by: bobmelvin on December 13, 2006, 02:37:48 PM
I had the same problem yesterday. Charged, and the battery said it was charged - but no firing. Went and got a battery, started right up. My bike kept making a buzzing that I thought was a starter. I treid to jump it, and it fired right up, so I replaced the battery. Hard to find the right battery though. I overspent, but I didn't have to keep calling and running around.

Bob
Title: Re: Before I spend more money - Is the battery really the problem?
Post by: Mk1inCali on December 13, 2006, 05:39:08 PM
Hey man if you need any help with the bike, I've been through the carbs on my GS before, and could definitely lend a hand if you'd like (assuming it needs some cleaning).


Myspace it is.
Title: Re: Before I spend more money - Is the battery really the problem?
Post by: themaffeo on December 14, 2006, 01:08:04 PM
the battery was the problem.  Got a new battery ($62) charged it up (6hrs) slapped it in, gave it a little gas and the engine roared to life.

Just got finished changing the oil (i was about 1k overdue) and then took it for a spin.  felt like it hadn't been sitting at all

thanks everyone!!
Title: Re: Before I spend more money - Is the battery really the problem?
Post by: The Buddha on December 14, 2006, 01:34:41 PM
$62 for a battery ... WTF ...
selaed ones ar walmart are like $40 or so, and the regular GS battery (non sealed) is $30.
Anyway - good job. You should start in 1-2 tries ... that = good everything.
Cool.
Srinath.
Title: Re: Before I spend more money - Is the battery really the problem?
Post by: MarkusN on December 15, 2006, 01:53:51 AM
Quote from: themaffeo on December 14, 2006, 01:08:04 PM
the battery was the problem.  Got a new battery ($62) charged it up (6hrs) slapped it in, gave it a little gas and the engine roared to life.

Don't jinx it. The battery is the most probable cause, but you still might have a flaky charging system that caused the problem in the first place. Not meaning to rain on your parade, just stay wary.