ok stupid question but i was reading and wondering I know besides the engine size and everything would the 250r compare to the gs500f? in any way is the 250r better? just wondering
made in china
enough said
actually south Korea not china
The only thing better about them is they are cheaper but you get what you pay for :thumb: :cheers:
Some people like the inverted forks.
ahh I c so if someone changed from a gs500 to an 250r would it be a mistake?
Well, I certainly wouldnt want a smaller engine than the one the Gs has. The GS has just enough get up and go for me but less would not be my cup of tea.
If you are always in town I would think the 250r would be ok though.
Quote from: GON on December 14, 2006, 02:56:59 PM
ahh I c so if someone changed from a gs500 to an 250r would it be a mistake?
Let's see...
Lower quality
Smaller engine
Less availability of parts
And you want to change why?
i dont i was just wondering :icon_mrgreen:
The spirit of Deathlucky lives on................... :bowdown:
I would venture that the Hyosung Comet 650 would be a viable alternative to the GS, but the 250? Not even in the same ballpark... :nono:
BTW, Hyosung now comes with a 2-year warranty. I'd still be pretty reluctant to buy one. I wouldn't even consider the 250.
The 650 is superior to the gs in every way imaginable. It is more of a step up than an alternative. I own one and would never go to the gs over the gt650r.
Wow, someone actually owns one of those? 650 or 250?
I thought they were like Kia's? Drive them once and then toss 'em in the recycling bin
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Ive heard that the Hyosung bikes are pretty good and have been going for a long time just not here in North America.
The Comet and Avitar both look like good bikes and with a 2 yr tire to tire warranty its hard to go wrong really. Alot of the parts are very suzuki -like since Hyosung makes or has made MANY parts for suzuki.
Biggest problem with them is that there are no accessories available for them and very few own them so its hard to team up with a local bike buddy to share bike knowledge with.
I strongly considered getting a 650 comet naked myself but the lack of accessories etc.. steered me to a time tested bike....the GS500F. :icon_mrgreen:
:thumb: Good Choice!
I wouldn't say it was a bad choice but I would definitly not say that it is the other way either. It is amazing how much uninformed opinions direct the general view of hyosung. They have been around 1978 and have shared a R&D agreement with suzuki for almost as long. They have also manufactured many things for suzuki. They are in the infancy stage in the US but there is much more available for them than you think. You just have to do a little research. There is even a dealer in Tulsa that races the bike extensivley and they also make a ton of parts for it. Whenever you get the chance check out korider.com and come back to the discussion with a little more info on your hands. I own both a gs500 and a gt650r. The gs just sits in the garage while I am out riding the gt every day.
alright here is someone i wanted to talk to :thumb: so how is it? the 650? any problems?
My only problem so far has been a cracked fuel filter that was replaced in about 5 mins by my dealer. Other than that it has been just another addiction to riding.
pixs?
I hear that (price aside) the Hyosung 250r is better than the Ninja 250 (but then again, the Ninjette is basically an 80's bike). Not to mention I think it looks a whole heck of a lot better (almost as good as a CBR 250 IMO) than the outdated Ninjette's design and fairings. Not as refined and smooth apparently, but definitely a lot more modern. Resembles more of a sportbike than a sport-standard, too.
I got curious and had to go look. The Hyosung GT-250R (http://www.diro.com.mk/images/Hyosung/Aquila_250/GT-250_1.jpg) looks a bit like the GS! :icon_mrgreen:
Quote from: cuda_06 on December 14, 2006, 06:47:42 PM
It is amazing how much uninformed opinions direct the general view of hyosung.
+1
This thread definitely shocked me. The amount of misinformation regarding the brand is pretty staggering...
-Turd.
Quote from: pandy on December 14, 2006, 10:16:04 PM
I got curious and had to go look. The Hyosung GT-250R (http://www.diro.com.mk/images/Hyosung/Aquila_250/GT-250_1.jpg) looks a bit like the GS! :icon_mrgreen:
That's actually the GT-250 (same as 250R, but sans the fairings).
Quote from: frye on December 14, 2006, 10:01:11 PM
pixs?
Here is one of my 650 (with my beautiful wife on it)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k302/Szgs500/Lynsie002.jpg)
And here is a 250 ( I think that they look awesome with black frames)
(http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/9198/1001384rv0.jpg)
Looks sweet. I swear, if either Honda, Kawi, or Suzuki started selling this bike under their name, it would definitely be a strong competitor for the SV and Ninjette.
Mechanically, the 650R is essentially an SV650. It's copied from the SV, it's just a matter of quality. Hyosung has a bad reputation for quality control, much as many Korean car makers have had (or still have in the case of Kia). If they get their crap together in that area, and sell more motorcycles, and become more widespread so that you have a more extensive dealer network, they'll be very competitive. Until then, I stand by my previous post. I went to the Hyosung dealer in Batesville, AR (where my mom lives). It makes the crappy Suzuki dealer here in Tallahassee look spectacular. They had no parts whatsoever. They didn't even have fork oil. :icon_rolleyes:
Nice pics, cuda! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Quote from: Egaeus on December 14, 2006, 11:11:01 PM
Mechanically, the 650R is essentially an SV650. It's copied from the SV, it's just a matter of quality. Hyosung has a bad reputation for quality control, much as many Korean car makers have had (or still have in the case of Kia). If they get their crap together in that area, and sell more motorcycles, and become more widespread so that you have a more extensive dealer network, they'll be very competitive. Until then, I stand by my previous post. I went to the Hyosung dealer in Batesville, AR (where my mom lives). It makes the crappy Suzuki dealer here in Tallahassee look spectacular. They had no parts whatsoever. They didn't even have fork oil. :icon_rolleyes:
Your whole impression seems to be based on one lackluster dealer, not the brand itself. Also, the bike is not nearly as much of a copy as you think. Do a little more research on it before you spread biased and unsupported opinions please.
Here's my reservations about Hyosung...
Though I doubt that Hyosung is making a lemon (like other may think due to it's country of origin), I would have a bit of trepidation when I consider parts availablity moving into the future. If Hyosung decides they aren't successful enough selling in the US, they may decide to pull out of the market. At that point, I'm sure you can get parts, but you'll be ordering them on the internet from another country!
Also, I'm not too sure about how "bike-savy" your average Hyosung dealer is, as most dealerships picking-up this line are not of the traditional variety. In other words, you don't see alot of established major brand bike shops (Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Yamaha, etc) taking on this line. So, if "Joe's Chinese ATV, PocketRocket, and Scooter Shop" is trying to sell me one of these, I'm not expecting strong dealer support, experience, or longevity. These places open and close at the drop of a hat!
Another issue, and maybe the biggest issue is price. Being that Hyosung has not really established themselves in the market to such a degree as to instill confidence in their bikes, they are priced too high. For not that much extra, you could be riding an actual SV650 with Suzuki's dealer network, knowledge, and a copius amount of aftermarket accessories available. What they need to do, like Hyundai did, is sell at a substantial discount in relation to Japan's offerings. This would help overcome the buyer's percieved risk, and get more bikes out there so that it can prove to a greater number of people that it is indeed a good, reliable product. As it is now, if only a few adventurous early-adopters buy the bike, the word's not going to get out to the greater market to jump-start sales!
And finally, there aren't a whole lot of these floating around yet (I've never seen one on the street (though I have seen them in person at the Indy Dealer Show), so the avaiabiliity of used parts on sites like eBay is probably a bit limited. If you crash yours, or buy a used one needing work (as I often do) and don't want or can't buy the more expensive dealer parts, you may end-up having to engineer ways to graft on forks, wheels, etc. from other bikes in order to save the $$$. Although, a set of GSXR forks would definitely be a step up!
Anyway, despite all of this... Though I wouldn't be the guy to buy a new one, I've got enough confidence in my mechanical and parts scrounging abilities that I'd certainly entertain the idea of buying a used one at the right price. It might be a cool challenge, and maybe a lot of fun! I did see the race-kitted 650 at the dealer show, and it had Japanese GSXR brake calipers adapted on. There's got to be lots of cool mods to do!
FYI - my bike was 3999 brand new with 0 miles on it. If it was in direct price competition with anything other than a 250 I might not have bought one. However, I have absolutely no regrets about this one and now would gladly look into another, especially as the new models come out in the near future. A liter twin is promised with the next line up along with this beautiful naked 650.
(http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4199/hyosungcomet650mmc83480vx1.jpg)
(http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/623/hyosungcomet650mmc83480tz7.jpg)
Quote from: cuda_06 on December 15, 2006, 09:17:43 AM
Quote from: Egaeus on December 14, 2006, 11:11:01 PM
Mechanically, the 650R is essentially an SV650. It's copied from the SV, it's just a matter of quality. Hyosung has a bad reputation for quality control, much as many Korean car makers have had (or still have in the case of Kia). If they get their crap together in that area, and sell more motorcycles, and become more widespread so that you have a more extensive dealer network, they'll be very competitive. Until then, I stand by my previous post. I went to the Hyosung dealer in Batesville, AR (where my mom lives). It makes the crappy Suzuki dealer here in Tallahassee look spectacular. They had no parts whatsoever. They didn't even have fork oil. :icon_rolleyes:
Your whole impression seems to be based on one lackluster dealer, not the brand itself. Also, the bike is not nearly as much of a copy as you think. Do a little more research on it before you spread biased and unsupported opinions please.
Okay, some empirical results:
http://www.suzukicycles.com/DealerLocator/
http://www.hyosungmotorsusa.com/Information/StoreLocator.asp
Dealers in FL:
Hyosung: 14, Suzuki: 46
Dealers in AR:
Hyosung: 3, Suzuki: 19
Dealers in NY:
Hyosung: 6, Suzuki: 54
Dealers in Oregon:
Hyosung: 3, Suzuki: 19
So yeah, the dealer network isn't there. And if the one I saw is any indication, Wondertwin is right on the money as far as the "bike savvy dealer" comment. I would check my local dealer, but the nearest dealer is 85 miles away.
As far as QC goes, there are only anecdotal stories. I can't find any hard statistics and you can't access the service bulletins on hyosung's website without being a dealer.
It's not that I don't think they have promise, but I haven't been convinced yet. I'm not buying a Kia anytime soon either, but I'd consider a Hyundai.
The low number of dealers is entirely correct. However, it will always be like this for a brand new entry into a new market.
That is not a fact that I am disputing. As far as not having mainstream dealers involved, you are incorrect. Check out Tulsa Cycle Supply and the Hyosung side of their operation at www.hyosungmotorsracing.com . This is one company that actually has loads of direct experience with both the sv650 and the gt650. I was also skeptical at first but since buying one have become a huge fan. As far as the Kia/Hyundai thing goes, I agree with you one hundred percent. However, my main reasoning for that is product offering as Kia just has nothing that interests me.
Well, Hyosung has been sold in the US for a while as Alpha sport. They are now being sold under UM and the Hyosung brand names.
That new naked 650 does look sweet though.
Quote from: cuda_06 on December 15, 2006, 11:04:03 AM
The low number of dealers is entirely correct. However, it will always be like this for a brand new entry into a new market.
Brand new? I was under the impression they've been around awhile, 1978 to be exact. That's not new...
They were the official motorcycle supplier for the 1988 Summer Olympics in Seoul, Korea.
But not being sold in the US market until much more recently than that...
Good post GON! Gettnig lots of mileage out of this one :)
Quote from: Wrongside on December 15, 2006, 01:29:43 PM
Quote from: cuda_06 on December 15, 2006, 11:04:03 AM
The low number of dealers is entirely correct. However, it will always be like this for a brand new entry into a new market.
Brand new? I was under the impression they've been around awhile, 1978 to be exact. That's not new...
They were the official motorcycle supplier for the 1988 Summer Olympics in Seoul, Korea.
New to the US. I even stated earlier that Hyosung was established in 1978.
Quote from: cuda_06 on December 15, 2006, 05:03:03 PM
Quote from: Wrongside on December 15, 2006, 01:29:43 PM
Quote from: cuda_06 on December 15, 2006, 11:04:03 AM
The low number of dealers is entirely correct. However, it will always be like this for a brand new entry into a new market.
Brand new? I was under the impression they've been around awhile, 1978 to be exact. That's not new...
They were the official motorcycle supplier for the 1988 Summer Olympics in Seoul, Korea.
New to the US. I even stated earlier that Hyosung was established in 1978.
Wrong again since the Company went into partner ship with Suzuki in 78. At the time ALL of their bikes were Suzuki's...the SAME bikes that Suzuki made they used. Suzuki sold those same bikes in the US. Same bikes different names. While I was in the Marines there were ALOT of jarheads who had Hyosungs in San Diego and in Jacksonville, NC...that was in 99. Hyosung didn't produce their own bike untl 86.
But long story short. They are the ones that made most Suzukis during the 80's because their factory was larger and they had a work force willing to work for pennies on the dollar.
Once again I am not wrong. I am speaking about The emergance of HYOSUNG into the US market not a rebadged job or something that was manufactured by them for another make. I am well aware of the history and pretty sure that I have already stated this many times. Hyosung emerged in the US for 2005. Which in my book makes them a pretty new company to these shores. Oh, and BTW, they partnered with suzuki in 79 not 78.
Like Cuda, I got my GT650R for 3999.... add tax and fees and it was $4800 ?? then I traded in my 2001 GS500 to the dealer and only paid $3100 out of pocket for a brand new 2005 with 0 miles on it.
I like my local dealer (only 4 miles away, but then so it's everything in San Francisco :), and I got a good vibe off of them, they been around for some time... that was a major deciding factor in buying the bike. If I was looking at buying the bike from a place 50-100 miles away, with some sketchy dealer... no deal.
The bike is definitely cheaper than a Honda/Kawi/Suki counterpart... lots of bolts and bits are starting to rust, and only had the bike for 50 days... but everything else is very solid... well, except the brakes, they are crap... very crappy.
GT650R vs GS500 ? Take a chance on the Hyosung...
GS250 vs GS500? Only if you get it dirt cheap and are able to keep the Suki : )
Very well put jjr. I have had my bike for about the same amount of time and have no rust problems at all. However I do agree with you on the soft brakes. It's really easy to fix as most of the bad feel on the brakes is from line flex. Just replace them with steel braided lines and you will notice a huge difference. Are you on korider.com?
ive seen the hyosung, dosent look to bad. the one new bike that might give the suzuki some competion is the new american made bike called the fischer, which is american made expet for the hyosung engine and some british parts if i renember right
I really, really, really like the look of the Fischer. The problem with it is that for the same price, I could get the gixxer600. Once Fischer has an established dealer base, I may become a customer. They're awesome. You can make yours exactly to your specs. Adjustable rearsets are standard. You tell them what you want, upgraded forks, upgraded rear shock, etc, and they do it, so it comes from the factory how you want it. I believe the website is www.fischer1.com but not positive.
ya their hes even going to make a supercharger for it, i hope he makes a 1000cc one.
The supercharger should be for the 650 in the near future. However, Hyosung has promised a liter twin with the next line of bikes so maybe fischer will progress to that also.
nice, hopefully it will be as sound as nice as the new ducatis 1098 vtwin
Quote from: nick_villan on December 19, 2006, 11:58:55 AM
nice, hopefully it will be as sound as nice as the new ducatis 1098 vtwin
You've heard the new 1098?
Quote from: nick_villan on December 19, 2006, 11:58:55 AM
nice, hopefully it will be as sound as nice as the new ducatis 1098 vtwin
Is this the real Nick Villan? If so, when did he come back?
yeah i was under the impression he was banned.
Hi guys, I felt compelled to chime in on the Hyosung naked 650.
I researched the hell out of them before I bought my GS. Here are some of the things I found:
On the whole the Hyosungs seem to be very good bang fer buck motorcycles. While similar (VERY) to the Suzuki SV650 there are some big differences - Frame is steel vs. Alum, forks are different, it's heavier, and the engine is different (though you hear many people say it's the Suzuki engine). From what I read Hyosung has a facility in Japan very near the Suzuki facility, and the primary engineer that designed the Hyosung 650 was formerly one of the primary engineers for the Suzuki who left and went to Hyosung.
Someone mentioned Tulsa Cycle in this thread, Tulsa Cycle is absolutely the best informational reference for Hyosung USA, as they race a GT-650. They are also Suzuki dealers as well as Hyosung... they have ripped apart the Hyosung and Suzuki engines 6 ways from Tuesday... and they like the Hyosung engine better! From what they told me, the Suzuki engine is based on an older Suzuki 400cc engine, so it is pumped up as far as it will go. The Hyosung however is a true 650cc from the ground up so has a higher ceiling as far as boring etc.
If you go on KORider.com, you will find mixed reviews, as many people have blown engines on the 650's (some more than one engine on the same bike)! I was very concerned about this being interested in the bike, and that's the reason I contacted Tulsa Cycle. They told me they have been selling and racing Hyosung for over a year without any engine issues. So I went back and read the posts on KORider, and it seems clear to me that incompetent dealers cause a TON of problems for Hyosung.
So this is the reason I decided to stay away from Hyosung, for now... it's not about the quality as they seem like very nice bikes... the closest dealer to me is about 85 miles away! And that dealer didn't particularly give me the warm and fuzzies, LOL!
I figured since I'm just getting back into biking again, I would go with a tried and true used GS500e (FOR A STEAL I might add!!!) and just ride the crap out of it... honestly I think I'll be happy with this bike for a long time, but if I do outgrow it I'll look at the Hyosung again as they are adding dealers all the time. Also they have an agreement with UM America, UM is rebadging the 650's as their own but they have better colors and a 3 year warranty. So if I do end up upgrading in the future it'll be once again between an SV650, the Hyosung/UM, or a Monster 695 LOL....
Yeah, I checked into Hyo as well an the engine issues scared the crap out of me. I also came to the same conclusions about dealers being Hyo's worst enemy.
I saw this review posted on svrider:
QuoteHow good a value is the GT650? With the full fairing, the GT650R is priced at $5,999, $5,499 for the half fairing GT650S. The SV650S with half fairing is $6,449: $950 more! That will buy you an exhaust system, jetting and whatever other add-ons you could want. But the SV does give you a smoother motor, better throttle response and the luxury of fuel injection. Plus, the build quality is superior. Another consideration could be resale value and warranty service, a pitfall for new brands.
A better comparison would be to Suzuki's venerable GS500F, which is priced at $5,199 with a full fairing. But that bike has an anemic, ancient air-cooled motor that barely puts out 40 HP, squishy suspension, a single disc brake and skinny, bias-ply tires. If you opt for a Hyosung, the extra $300 ($800 if you want the lower fairings) buys you another 30 HP, a better chassis, radial tires, beefy front suspension, dual disc brakes, and similar build quality, too.
The Hyosung GT650R has a lot of flaws. But it surprised me with how much it had to offer. It's a stylish, well-designed motorcycle that need make no apologies for its suspension, motor or handling: the stuff that matters. The overall build quality is cheaper than what I'm accustomed to, but it's acceptable and looks like it will hold together with proper maintenance. Is it worth $5,500 to $6,000? I think compared to other new bikes in this price range, it's a pretty good value and you might have some luck bargaining with the dealer -- although, as Curtis points out, this is a low-volumne business for now, and with the de-pegging of the Chinese Yuan against the dollar and it's subsequent controlled rise in currency value, expectations are it'll have a ripple effect all through SE Asia, with a generally higher prices from goods shipped out of that region.
Hyosung 250 Comet made in Korea and not China. Hyousung has V motor 27 hp ,water cooling engine. We offer in Turkey this bike beginner race riders. It will be very big mistake compare between Hyosung and Gs500 . If you want to learn race bike , so just start with Japanese ,...
In case anyone hasn't seen it...
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h295/icemanju23/fischer.gif)
I think it looks sweet. Doesn't look too comfortable, and to buy a "passenger kit" is an option, not standard equipment, but it does look cool. :cheers:
and the best part about it is that u get to choose ur own color. they already have some after market parts for it, so for anyone who likes to mode, their is plety that can be done. but besides for the hyosung, fisher siad he was going to make the superchargers, should be interesting, miabe buell might get some competion :2guns: