well I am thinking of buying a new harley, they hold their resale value really well and I like the looks of the 883R . I like the way they feel and sit. this is somthing for me to just cruise on and enjoy a second rider. my GS is for fun by myself.
so either lets here the bashing or the praise lol.
haha no ive never had a problem in that department. I just honestly like the bike and the history it has. honestly all the girls I know dont really like harley's . they are all into the sport bikes. I was reading the history on the sportster and it being a track bike was a pretty cool thing.
don't waste your time on a 883....get a big one 1200/1340/....whatever soft tail....
the women i see lately are getting the big ones to start with to save the depreciation on the 883's
prices are down
the days of top dollar are waining
every rich bastard who wanted a H-D....now has one
and all the H-D riders are on a harley site.....
couldn't resist
get teh 883, and the 1200 conversion. can be done at teh dealership, ( so it will have a warranty) and actually save some $ vs buying the 1200 outright
cause actually, the 883 and teh 1200 share many things. same lower end, same heads. only difference is larger pistons, and cylinders. plus with a lil ingenuity, you can, convert it to a 1340 :icon_twisted:. their resale value is nice, not as nice as it used to be, but still nice, and their not as big of a pos as many here would have you believe
oh yea I didnt know you could do that. that is pretty cool .
yea I know a lot of people hate harley's although I never did follow the trends. I like what I like and thats it.
hell I put money into volvos because that is what I liked to have fun with. if you think about it its not like a volvo is exactly a cool car hahha.
but I really like that idea of the conversion! I will check into it.
I wouldn't mind test riding an 883R and a 1200. And some Buells while I am at it.
The Sportsters don't look bad and I think they really look sweet with some of the street tracker conversion parts.
(http://thekneeslider.com/images/storzxr1200.jpg)
Too bad they're so pricey :cry:
the buells are sweet the problem is I can never see the one I want in person, every harley dealer doesnt dsiplay them well or doesnt order them in, i went to go buy one actually and they said they didnt have any but could order it and I said well why dont you have any? they said they werent in big popular demand and I was like well no wonder no one can see them in person so I didnt want to buy one untill I saw it in person.
I really love the look of the sportster though somtimes you want that low rumble on a bike and just chill rather than the yang yang of a sport bike.
Quote from: Susuki_Jah on December 31, 2006, 11:10:15 AM
so I didnt want to buy one untill I saw it in person.
Spoken like a true retail customer... :icon_rolleyes:
I hate when people want to do the touchy feely test on a product or something... It's a F*CKING PRINTER!!! IT F*CKING PRINTS!!! :mad:
and NO... I'm NOT gonna open up a box to show you, and when you're done, you don't want it, or better yet... you want an un-f*cking-opened box!!!
Why is the dealer gonna spend THEIR money on something that THEY'RE NOT GONNA SELL MUCH OF?!?!? Granted, people DO buy buells, but the ratio of Buell to HD owners... uh...
...is kinda...
LOW.
They are a B-U-S-I-N-E-S-S... They are there to M-A-K-E M-O-N-E-Y.
[/rant off for now...]
Quote from: manofthefield on December 31, 2006, 07:41:04 AM
I wouldn't mind test riding an 883R and a 1200. And some Buells while I am at it.
The Sportsters don't look bad and I think they really look sweet with some of the street tracker conversion parts.
(http://thekneeslider.com/images/storzxr1200.jpg)
Too bad they're so pricey :cry:
I'm not diggin that swingarm much... looks like you might lose the rear of the bike after hitting a bump in the road. Props for the chain drive tho.
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Quote from: annguyen1981 on December 31, 2006, 12:48:04 PM
Spoken like a true retail customer... :icon_rolleyes:
I hate when people want to do the touchy feely test on a product or something... It's a F*CKING PRINTER!!! IT F*CKING PRINTS!!! :mad:
I love opening boxes and trying before buying. :flipoff: :icon_mrgreen:
Quote from: pandy on December 31, 2006, 03:15:12 PM
I love opening boxes and trying before buying. :flipoff: :icon_mrgreen:
I like to do the same thing, but the crabby shop assistant is all like "if you keep taking the tooth brushes out of the packets we can't sell them, so please stop or I will have to call shop security".
Quote from: Susuki_Jah on December 31, 2006, 06:14:05 AM
oh yea I didnt know you could do that. that is pretty cool .
yea I know a lot of people hate harley's although I never did follow the trends. I like what I like and thats it.
hell I put money into volvos because that is what I liked to have fun with. if you think about it its not like a volvo is exactly a cool car hahha.
but I really like that idea of the conversion! I will check into it.
although while i had my sportster ( 03 883c) i missed my gs severely, but i liked my sportie as well, ive caught myself trying to ride the sportie like the gs, but i stopped myself b4 bad things could have happened
i love harleys, and big cruisers in general.
i traded my gs in on a boulevard c50 and have been very happy.
but as harleys are concerned, if your gonna get one, go big. skip the sportster.
i rode one just the other day, a 1200, and that thing was uncomfortable, and vibrated WAY too hard.
the newer ones are probably a lot better in this dept, i rode a 95, which doesnt have a rubber mounted motor, but even so, that is a lot of motor for that bikes size and frame. just didnt feel right to me.
The softail on the other hand, is hands down the nicest bike ive ever ridden. if i could afford it, i would have one now
i have a feeling that i am only saying that because i havent ridden one of the huge harley touring bikes yet.
but yea, my oppinion: skip the sportster and get a real harley. but only you can be the judge. find one to test ride, and go for whatever you like best.
My dad had an 883 for a while, nice little bike, I liked it. He has since sold it and bought an road king classic. Much bigger, and much more comfortable. The 883 doesn't really like 2 up going up much of a hill. I'd go for a 1200 at least. But the touring models are a much better deal. although I'd love to have a low rider. Never had any problems with either harley. The heratige softail has the counter balanced engine (?) I think that's the one, it idles much more smoothly, better for around town riding, but the other touring models are better for highway riding.
theres a diffence in a 30-800 dollor printer .......... vs ........ a 7k+ bike :) i'd understand that .. if i was about to spend that kind of money i'd want to see it sit on it ... look at it .. make sure its what i want .. 90% of the time pictures just dont do it . and i work at walmart so i get some strange customers :)
Quote from: annguyen1981 on December 31, 2006, 12:48:04 PM
Quote from: Susuki_Jah on December 31, 2006, 11:10:15 AM
so I didnt want to buy one untill I saw it in person.
Spoken like a true retail customer... :icon_rolleyes:
I hate when people want to do the touchy feely test on a product or something... It's a F*CKING PRINTER!!! IT F*CKING PRINTS!!! :mad:
and NO... I'm NOT gonna open up a box to show you, and when you're done, you don't want it, or better yet... you want an un-f*cking-opened box!!!
Why is the dealer gonna spend THEIR money on something that THEY'RE NOT GONNA SELL MUCH OF?!?!? Granted, people DO buy buells, but the ratio of Buell to HD owners... uh...
...is kinda...
LOW.
They are a B-U-S-I-N-E-S-S... They are there to M-A-K-E M-O-N-E-Y.
[/rant off for now...]
i used to work in retail for many years, and as a person that has been on both sides. Im not spending 11k on a bike I cant see in person. its called what the customer wants not what the business wants to do. Thats how you make money.
You need to atleast have one single Buell in the shop maybe a lightning ot a Firebolt but not a damn ulysses.
I spend my money wisely and thats why I have a good amount of it when I need.
http://www.motorbikes.be/en/compare/1336/5690/
gs/883R
eh not much more HP but almost twice as much tq. nice low end power.
http://www.motorbikes.be/en/compare/1336/5692/
gs/1200R low
You pay a couple thousand more for this one though over the 883R.
and last but not least the Buell GS compare.
http://www.motorbikes.be/en/compare/1336/5508/
I just love the firebolt. I still might pressure the Harley Dealer to bring one to the shop I mean Im pretty sure I would buy it . I have seen the lightningt before and sat on it and I know the firebolt is almost identical although this was a few years back and I need a refreshure before I spend almost as much as I bought my brand new ford ranger for.
But then you have the GSXR750 for cheeper and with the new location of the exhuast they compete well with the buell.
heres another pointer, if you want a sportie 1200, get an 883, then get the heads, carb, cyls AND pistons from a firebolt (1200), direct boltin :thumb:
Quote from: manofthefield on December 31, 2006, 07:41:04 AM
I wouldn't mind test riding an 883R and a 1200. And some Buells while I am at it.
The Sportsters don't look bad and I think they really look sweet with some of the street tracker conversion parts.
(http://thekneeslider.com/images/storzxr1200.jpg)
Too bad they're so pricey :cry:
I would ride this bike. Hell, I'd sell my bike and have this as my only bike and I'd be pretty stoked. Why doesn't Harley make and sell this bike? I love street trackers and this one is no different.
In the '04 and newer models an 883 converted to 1200 will outrun a stock 1200 all day... something about the amount of teeth in the primary sprokets... Don't worry about carbs or jets, just get a needle from an '89 model.
Sportsters are pretty cool, just don't expect too much from least expensive HD in the line-up. Some easy mods to an 883 can make about 75 ponies and a few bucks more can get a pillion comfy... Not to mention that there's something about dragpipes that attract sleazy chicks...
Buying a new HD is a pretty good investment, they hold their value well and not to mention the bike is just an invitation to the massive parts and accessories catalog... Just ask the dealer for "the big book"
The stable...
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/fettcols/101_0446.jpg)
Quote from: Jake D on January 02, 2007, 09:16:31 AM
Quote from: manofthefield on December 31, 2006, 07:41:04 AM
I wouldn't mind test riding an 883R and a 1200. And some Buells while I am at it.
The Sportsters don't look bad and I think they really look sweet with some of the street tracker conversion parts.
(http://thekneeslider.com/images/storzxr1200.jpg)
Too bad they're so pricey :cry:
I would ride this bike. Hell, I'd sell my bike and have this as my only bike and I'd be pretty stoked. Why doesn't Harley make and sell this bike? I love street trackers and this one is no different.
This is coming to Europe first, then probably the US.
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/jpeg/576/17004814.jpeg)
Story
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/nav?page=motorcyclenews.articles.articleCategory.article&resourceId=5762542&articleCategory=NEWS_NEW-BIKES
HD Info
http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/Content/Pages/2006_Campaigns/XR1200_minisite/XR1200.jsp?locale=en_GB&swfxrdna=1
And I'm paitently waiting for the parts to go on sale... really want that swing arm that fits a real sportbike 180 tire... I'm sure HD would want a fortune for the wheels, probably better off finding some PM wheels or something..
You might want to steer away from 06+ models. I guess they are changing things for the worse.
Things are changing for '07... No more carbs on the sportster...
Quote from: fettcols on January 03, 2007, 05:26:10 PM
Things are changing for '07... No more carbs on the sportster...
wouldn't that be no more CARB...... :icon_twisted:
O.k.
First before I ramble on about how inferior the design of Harleys are let me say this.
When you ride one you do not care. They rumble right, are smooth once underway, well controlled and while not fast they build momentum effortlessly. (These are my impressions from riding a Sportster 1200) You'll look down at the speedometer and think, "How the heck is this 50?" Yeah 50 feels like 35.
You will also run out of ground clearance amazingly fast. Hopping from the GS onto the Sportster directly means that you will be grinding the heck out of your pegs.
They are also very forgiving. Your first ride on it is smooth, controlled and enjoyable. The bike does not demand anywhere near as much as my race setup GS. (Suspension only so far, but more is cooking.)
A word on mass: The Sportster controls it well. It does feel heavy-ish, but unless you are hurtling through the twisties the motions are well contained. It is there, but it almost seems to help this bike.
That being said the engine design is as advanced as a lump of coal (even when contrasted against our air cooled twins.) This has to do directly with the angle of the motor and the common crank journal. I could go into it, but honestly after riding it you won't care. It's not a race bike, it's a Sportster. love it for what it is.
All said and such the XR1200 would be a nice bike to own. If it's lighter than the Sportster and makes at least as much power that is.
Quote from: CirclesCenter on January 03, 2007, 08:00:43 PM
That being said the engine design is as advanced as a lump of coal (even when contrasted against our air cooled twins.) This has to do directly with the angle of the motor and the common crank journal. I could go into it, but honestly after riding it you won't care. It's not a race bike, it's a Sportster. love it for what it is.
All said and such the XR1200 would be a nice bike to own. If it's lighter than the Sportster and makes at least as much power that is.
Sounds like you understand Sportsters pretty well. Congratulations.
I owned a GS for a year and went back to a Sportster. The basic design of the motor is archaic, but I just read elsewhere on the web of a woman finally needed a new top end on her Sportster after 130,000 miles. That's the kind of miles you can expect from automobiles and Harleys, but not much else on 2 wheels. My truck's GM 350 V8 has 175,000 miles on it and runs well with no smoke. If my HD goes 100,000 before a rebuild I'll be happy. With Cams and High Comp pistons, my 1200 accelerates like a big block V8 yet the motor is still understressed and not finicky at all. That's just the way I like it. 8)
Regarding the new XR1200, it's about 20HP above a stock XL1200. Unfortunately the weigh pretty much the same. It's still gotta be a blast to ride. :cheers:
My truck's GM 350 V8 has 213,000 miles on it. No smoke at all and the only thing I have done to it is one new alternator. Doesn't tick or leak oil. That's said, GSjack has no doubt put that many miles on a GS before.
If I ever have to rebuild my Honda's motor, it might be before 100,000 (CCT's need replacing on the Super Hawks at about 30,000), but at least I'll have had a blast doing it. You see, if you bike red lines at 10,000 RPM rather than 5,000, you need a rebuild sooner. But I digress.
The old school engine design is there for a reason.... it's called potato potato potato... I'm sure ed and yama will understand...
I have aftermarker exhaust on my liter v-twin. Believe me dude, I understand. Imagine if a potato potato Harley and a Ducati had a love child. Well, that's the sound my bike makes. I totally understand.
I've always thought the GS500 is a great beginners bike, maybe the best. Enough power to have fun but not scary for a noob. :thumb:
I was not new to bikes when I bought mine so the lack of power caught up to me quick. The clincher was a semi panic stop with my wife aboard. Being driven into the gas tank by myself and my mate convinced me riding two up on a ball buster sportbike is not for me. The Sportster is much more comfortable and relaxing, even in a panic stop, riding 2 up. :laugh:
I have pondered what I'd get for a 2nd bike if I can afford it someday. I prefer twins so I'd probably go with an SV650 (not the S) since I like an upright seating position. I'd probably put a pipe on it for more HP too. That would be for solo riding though. :icon_rolleyes:
I'd like to have both a cruiser and a sportbike. :icon_mrgreen:
I get wild enough with my HD I don't think I should go for a full liter sport twin, but I could be wrong. Wheelies is all I want. I have jumped and off-roaded my Sporty.
Ed, see Jake's post above. The SV650 will keep you interested for about 15 minutes. :laugh:
Here's an experiment for you Ed:
Get on your Harley. Ride it and its motor like a GSXR1000 is meant to be ridden on your way to the local Suzuki dealer. See how many miles you get.
After you make it to the Suzuki dealer (on foot) buy yourself a GSXR1000. Drive it and its motor like you drive a Harley. See how many miles you get.
Yeah, the SV is really under powered. It blew my hair back for like the first 30 minutes I rode it. Get a Honda 599 if you want something like an SV650.
Quote from: Egaeus on January 04, 2007, 02:09:49 PM
Here's an experiment for you Ed:
Get on your Harley. Ride it and its motor like a GSXR1000 is meant to be ridden on your way to the local Suzuki dealer. See how many miles you get.
After you make it to the Suzuki dealer (on foot) buy yourself a GSXR1000. Drive it and its motor like you drive a Harley. See how many miles you get.
Hmmmmm. Smells like bullcrap.
I got a better one. Why don't you launch a paper airplane off a cliff then jump off the same cliff and see how many miles you get.
Quote from: Jake D on January 04, 2007, 02:13:50 PM
Yeah, the SV is really under powered. It blew my hair back for like the first 30 minutes I rode it. Get a Honda 599 if you want something like an SV650.
OK I'm convinced, thanks. I wouldn't want to make the same mistake twice and not have enough power.
Looks like I'd have to go liter v-twin for sportsbike. If I ever have the money to start a collection. :icon_rolleyes:
Quote from: Ed_in_Az on January 04, 2007, 03:08:52 PM
Quote from: Egaeus on January 04, 2007, 02:09:49 PM
Here's an experiment for you Ed:
Get on your Harley. Ride it and its motor like a GSXR1000 is meant to be ridden on your way to the local Suzuki dealer. See how many miles you get.
After you make it to the Suzuki dealer (on foot) buy yourself a GSXR1000. Drive it and its motor like you drive a Harley. See how many miles you get.
Hmmmmm. Smells like bullcrap.
I got a better one. Why don't you launch a paper airplane off a cliff then jump off the same cliff and see how many miles you get.
What's wrong Ed, don't like people calling you on your own bullcrap? Hey, if you're going to compare the engine in a Harley and a sport bike, you should compare them equally. Wind them both up to 15k RPM or keep them under 5k. Otherwise, shut your ignorant trap.
The comparison between the high rev sport bikes and the low rev Harley lump is fair. It is only unfair if you're comfortable with half truths.
In Ed's defense, a Harley probably makes 100 plus foot pounds of torque, so there isn't much need to rev it like you hate it.
But trumpeting the other worldly reliability of a motor that makes half the HP of a 600 cc I-4 with 1/3 of the RPM, all the while maintaining an actual reputation for being a cold blooded, oil leaking, frequently repaired turd. . . on a sports bike website while offering patent insults at said sport bike. . . is let's just say, questionable.
If all you live for is to hear yourself and your bike scream then expect to live fast and die young.
I'm coming from a different direction to be sure. 120mph (@6,000rpm) is quite enough for me.
I didn't mean to interrupt your screaming.
Wail on. :cheers:
Something about harley owners... They don't take lightly to being dogged on about their rides...
If you want to compare performance you should do it on a level playingfield... Harley tech in a buel xb or tuber and an air-cooled v-twin suzuki... I don't think Suzuki has any air-cooled v-twins so I guess the SV would have to be the answer.
I can't speak for everyone but I know I didn't buy my Harleys for the performance... I will say that the sportsters I own have needed less repairs than the GSXR I currently have. The result of that is I rode about 6k miles on the harleys and just under 2k on the gixxer this season.
When it comes to the cost to maintain... The 04 GS I bought new is right about the same as the 06 XL that I also bought new. The only difference I've run into is that the HD is harder to schedule a service appointment for..
On a side note... the Ironhead had the reputation for leaking oil... Not the evolution that powers the xl's of today.
also... if you remember ed's post started something like this...
I've always thought the GS500 is a great beginners bike, maybe the best. Enough power to have fun but not scary for a noob.
Quote from: Ed_in_Az on January 04, 2007, 01:22:05 PM
I've always thought the GS500 is a great beginners bike, maybe the best. Enough power to have fun but not scary for a noob. :thumb:
I was not new to bikes when I bought mine so the lack of power caught up to me quick. The clincher was a semi panic stop with my wife aboard. Being driven into the gas tank by myself and my mate convinced me riding two up on a ball buster sportbike is not for me. The Sportster is much more comfortable and relaxing, even in a panic stop, riding 2 up. :laugh:
I have pondered what I'd get for a 2nd bike if I can afford it someday. I prefer twins so I'd probably go with an SV650 (not the S) since I like an upright seating position. I'd probably put a pipe on it for more HP too. That would be for solo riding though. :icon_rolleyes:
I'd like to have both a cruiser and a sportbike. :icon_mrgreen:
I get wild enough with my HD I don't think I should go for a full liter sport twin, but I could be wrong. Wheelies is all I want. I have jumped and off-roaded my Sporty.
you are so right. i rode with my girlfriend on the back of my GS for a total of about 10 minutes before we both got scared and said f this, never again.
then i traded it in on an 05 boulevard c50, and we ride together all the time and its wonderful.
eventually i want to upgrade to a C90, and get a gsx-r or another gs500 just for me to have fun with on my own.
every time i scrape the floorboards on the c50 i miss the gs a little bit ;)
Quote from: fettcols on January 04, 2007, 08:31:57 PM
Something about harley owners... They don't take lightly to being dogged on about their rides...
On a side note... the Ironhead had the reputation for leaking oil... Not the evolution that powers the xl's of today.
He's right, the only harley's i've heard of that have leaks are older ones, my dads 04 883 that he used to have the his current 04 road king classic have never had any problems, and NO oil leaks! And neither have had to visit the shop for anything other than scheduled maint.
I really like the basic design of harley, Im a fan of old school though not much on a lot of new school rides unless its a ferrari or a buell lol. Just watching the history of harley and reading up about it they have so much to offer, and when motorcycle companies took a hard crash Harley came out on top over and over again. thats why they have such a long standing rep. and have such a great resale value. you cant find an old sporster that runs well for under a couple grand.
Quote from: porsche4786 on January 04, 2007, 09:42:15 PM
Quote from: fettcols on January 04, 2007, 08:31:57 PM
Something about harley owners... They don't take lightly to being dogged on about their rides...
On a side note... the Ironhead had the reputation for leaking oil... Not the evolution that powers the xl's of today.
He's right, the only harley's i've heard of that have leaks are older ones, my dads 04 883 that he used to have the his current 04 road king classic have never had any problems, and NO oil leaks! And neither have had to visit the shop for anything other than scheduled maint.
The only ways to hate Harleys are avoid any personal exposure to them. Never ride one, but if you do make sure it's mid 80s or older. And, above all cling to arguements that haven't been valid for decades(since AMF owned HD and tried to run it into the ground).
Well, there's always those who believe life begins at 10,000rpms too. Their heads just spin too fast to see anything else. :laugh:
For anyone considering a Harley, buy as new a model as you can. There's no more to dread there than any other brand. If you want a maximum weight road sofa they have them. If you want sport/cruiser get a Sportster. If you want full on sportbike get a Buell or wait for the new XR1200. HD is not any better or worse than any other brand. They're just the most different and most copied. The models that no one even tries to duplicate are the Buells and Sportsters. Nothing comes close. YMMV
I heard that in a few more years motorcycle may be required to go thru DEQ. I'd just stay away from the 07's and wait for them to get all the bugs out of it.
Quote from: porsche4786 on January 05, 2007, 09:38:49 AM
I heard that in a few more years motorcycle may be required to go thru DEQ. I'd just stay away from the 07's and wait for them to get all the bugs out of it.
DEQ?
Department of Environmental Quality
Quote from: porsche4786 on January 05, 2007, 09:38:49 AM
I heard that in a few more years motorcycle may be required to go thru DEQ. I'd just stay away from the 07's and wait for them to get all the bugs out of it.
All vehicles sold for use in the USA must meet federal emissions standards.
I haven't heard or read of any bugs.
???
They have had emissions regulations on motorcycles for years.. what would they be changing it? upping the standard? watch us go to electric motorcycles now like the whole thing will be a battery cell. now presenting HYBRID MOTORCYCLE for 2008 lol.
motorcycles still have to meet emissions requirements out of the factory. thats why my c50 has a PAIR valve, that ainjects air into something or other at some time to do some nonsense voodoo to reduce emmissions. I have heard that these valves go bad after awhile, and while it doesnt effect performance at all, the emissions benefiets just go away after awhile.
I have also heard, and i dont know how accurate this is, that soon california will require emissions inspections on motorcycles, like other states do for cars. Those crazy eco-mentalists ruin all our fun.
The concern is that since so many people put aftermarket exhausts and stuff on bikes, the cause lots more emissions.
I say they can emissions check our bikes the same day the teach everybody in a car to not drive like a dipshit and try to kill us all the time ;)
The '07 sportster comes with fuel injection and... you guessed it... an O2 sensor!
Not to mention the new for '07 bandit is also fuel injected too. Can't wait to see that at the cycle world show.
If the cycle world show comes to your area go ahead and stroll by the harley section and look around, don't be intimidated by all the black leather...
Quote from: Ed_in_Az on January 05, 2007, 10:17:08 AM
Quote from: porsche4786 on January 05, 2007, 09:38:49 AM
I heard that in a few more years motorcycle may be required to go thru DEQ. I'd just stay away from the 07's and wait for them to get all the bugs out of it.
All vehicles sold for use in the USA must meet federal emissions standards.
I haven't heard or read of any bugs.
???
But they will make you go thru DEQ every couple years like you have to with your car. Which they don't currently do in my state.
And with the newer harley's my dad said they are putting on catalytic converters now and some other emissions things. He went off on some things they changed on the 07 models, which weren't all the great. They also had a lot of people complain about the seat getting very hot because of the rear cylinder which harley will fix one time for free.
don't get me wrong, i don't hate harley's, i'm sure i will buy one in another 30 years
Quote from: jdanna on January 05, 2007, 04:06:07 PM
I have also heard, and i dont know how accurate this is, that soon california will require emissions inspections on motorcycles, like other states do for cars. Those crazy eco-mentalists ruin all our fun.
this is what i was refering to. thanks to our great govenor here in oregon we will also be going by california emission requirements in 2008 i believe! :mad:
well fortunatly we do not have emissions testing in Richmond VA otherwise none of my vehicles would pass lol except my 2006 ford ranger. im glad antique vehicles are exemt anyways.