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Workers moved motorcycle parts through a scrapyard in Guangzhou, China, last month. The city has banned motorcycles, effective today.
All motorcycles banned. Period. ... :o
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/15/world/asia/15china.html?hp&ex=1168923600&en=f9bb3c7fdebe4848&ei=5094&partner=homepage (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/15/world/asia/15china.html?hp&ex=1168923600&en=f9bb3c7fdebe4848&ei=5094&partner=homepage)
GUANGZHOU, China, Jan. 11 — Guangzhou, the chaotic export capital in southern China, appeared to hit a major Chinese milestone this month, becoming the country's first city to reach a per capita income of $10,000 — more than five times the nationwide figure and a rough threshold for becoming a "developed" country.
But in a measure of just how problematic prosperity can be here, the city will institute a ban on motorcycles and motorized bicycles on Monday, hoping to quell a crime wave that has been building to more than 100,000 offenses a year.
The vehicles, the primary mode of transport for migrant workers clawing their way up Guangzhou's economic ladder, are also favored by criminals who have terrorized the city in recent years, including a shocking case in late 2005, when a woman had her hand cut off by a thief on a motorcycle. News accounts concluded that motorcycle thieves were divided into gangs, including one called the Hand Choppers.
"Crime will be a long-term problem in Guangzhou," said Peng Peng, director of research management for the Guangzhou Academy of Social Sciences. "As long as there is a vast gap between the rich and poor in the city, Guangzhou will suffer from crime."
The Communist Party is forever trying to focus the expectations of the Chinese people on a better, if distant, future where everyone is more affluent and where China is a true modern nation. Yet cities like Guangzhou and nearby Shenzhen, which have already begun to taste real prosperity, are learning how new wealth can bring new problems and not always solve the old ones. As incomes have risen in Guangzhou, so have crime, traffic and inequality.
Inequality here is unquestionably stark between the 7.5 million registered residents and the estimated 3.7 million migrants. This week, Guangzhou had to lower its per capita income figure to $7,800; the $10,000 level had been calculated without including migrants, whose wages are notoriously low.
But public sympathy has limits, particularly since studies show that migrants are responsible for much of the city's street crime. Most major Chinese cities feel very safe by American standards. Still, in Guangzhou, thefts, purse snatching, robberies and muggings have become common. One 2006 poll found that only 20 percent of residents felt safe. Hawkers at one pedestrian overpass in Tianhe District were selling switchblades and collapsible metal rods as self-defense weapons.
Last March, Zhang Guifang, a high-ranking Communist Party official in the city, signaled a tougher stance when he encouraged police officers to open fire on crime suspects when necessary. The police subsequently shot five mugging suspects, and crime seemed to slow down.
Recently, there has been talk, including by a high-ranking official in Guangzhou's Communist Party, of capping the number of migrants allowed into the city as a means of curbing social problems. As yet, the city has not instituted any restrictions, but the motorcycle ban has already forced thousands of motorcycle taxi riders to leave. Others have turned over their motorcycles and motorized bicycles to government impound lots in exchange for modest cash payments.
"It might be because Guangzhou is richer now," said Lin Mu, 50, a motorcycle taxi driver, offering an explanation for the ban and then laughing at his own words. "There are no more poor people, so there is no room for motorcycles! Everyone has millions and millions!"
Another migrant, who gave only his last name, Gong, idled his motorcycle with other riders along a major thoroughfare in the city's Tianhe District. "A lot of people have left," said Mr. Gong, 40, his eyes darting in search of customers as well as police officers. "We're just biding our time until the final deadline on the 15th."
Mr. Gong said he migrated to Guangzhou five years ago from Hunan Province. He had earned about $250 a month on his motorcycle — a healthy wage for a migrant — but now he said he was not certain what he would do.
"Oh, here they come, here they come!" he said, suddenly racing off as two police officers approached on a motorbike. "Sorry, I've got to go."
Along Beijing Road, one of Guangzhou's most fashionable shopping boulevards, random interviews found that nearly everyone had been robbed or knew someone who had been. Maggie Qu, 20, who recently graduated from a local technical college, said a thief stole her wallet and cellphone out of her purse two months ago. Her friend, Chen Jianguo, 21, expressed sympathy for migrants — "They are Chinese, after all" — but he blamed them for the crime problem. "They do bring crime," Mr. Chen said. "Unemployed people and uneducated people have to make a living, so they may resort to crime."
He added: "There are too many of them coming, and there are not enough job opportunities."
Of course, migrants are also responsible for performing the hard labor that generates much of the city's economic output — just like elsewhere in China. Ye Cunhuan migrated to Guangzhou from Hubei Province in 2003 and opened four stores that sell motorized bicycles. These bikes, equipped with small motors, are popular for deliveries and also for people who cannot afford a motorcycle. Now, Ms. Ye has had to close two stores and is facing ruin.
"This has been fatal to my business," she said.
She has responded by filing a lawsuit that claims the ban violates a national law that establishes the legality of motorcycles and motorized bicycles. The case was heard last Monday, and she expects a verdict by March. Ms. Ye scoffed at the idea that criminals used motorized bicycles, given their low rate of speed, and characterized the ban as an act of discrimination against migrants and others with less money.
"They don't want to see any of the poor or any ugliness on the streets," Ms. Ye said. "They want Guangzhou to be a city that attracts wealth and beauty and is full of luxury cars."
Lin Yang contributed to this article.
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crap I want all their motorcycles!
This makes me thankful that I live in a democracy
Quote from: Mr.7 on January 15, 2007, 09:46:40 AM
This makes me thankful that I live in a democracy
+1
Now we need to send someone over there to pick all the GS's out of that pile.. load em in a container and ship em back here :)
Quote from: scottpA_GS on January 15, 2007, 12:48:50 PM
Now we need to send someone over there to pick all the GS's out of that pile.. load em in a container and ship em back here :)
forget that lets take them all then sell the parts on ebay. I wouldnt mind having an oldschool flat seat Susuki.
Quote from: nightrider on January 15, 2007, 01:52:40 AM
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What if you want one on the bottom? :icon_razz: :mad:
It is still legal to walk around with a font end, going "Vrooom. . .vroooom."
This gang is called the Hobby Horses. They have very little street cred.
Quote from: Susuki_Jah on January 15, 2007, 01:06:33 PM
Quote from: scottpA_GS on January 15, 2007, 12:48:50 PM
Now we need to send someone over there to pick all the GS's out of that pile.. load em in a container and ship em back here :)
forget that lets take them all then sell the parts on ebay. I wouldnt mind having an oldschool flat seat Susuki.
Probably get there and just as you arrive on the plane all ready to get the bikes and sell the parts on a ebay and you get ### Today, China has announced nationwide censorship of all ebay motors pages following the recent ban on motorcycling in the city of Guangzhou.
+1 on democracy. If thats what they are calling it these days.
5 bucks says their crime rate goes up
so im geussing they still allow thier turd cars to run? dont they like have a birth cap too like you arent allowed to have more than one kid or somthing?
Quote from: scottpA_GS on January 15, 2007, 12:48:50 PM
Now we need to send someone over there to pick all the GS's out of that pile.. load em in a container and ship em back here :)
:thumb:
Imagine how bummed all those riders are. If they have motorcycle forums over there it must be like the end of the world. :o
Quote from: Susuki_Jah on January 15, 2007, 09:30:24 AM
crap I want all their motorcycles!
That statement is so true ... their motorcycles are crap ... and worse, they are made of fish.
Cool.
Srinath.
Quote from: Jake D on January 15, 2007, 03:25:03 PM
It is still legal to walk around with a font end, going "Vrooom. . .vroooom."
This gang is called the Hobby Horses. They have very little street cred.
:laugh: :thumb:
Quote from: seshadri_srinath on January 15, 2007, 09:02:10 PM
Quote from: Susuki_Jah on January 15, 2007, 09:30:24 AM
crap I want all their motorcycles!
That statement is so true ... their motorcycles are crap ... and worse, they are made of fish.
Cool.
Srinath.
Srinath used to make so much sense, he was a parts god, full of advice, what has happened to him... :cookoo: :cookoo: :cookoo: :dunno_white:
He was ... ???
I should've talked to the guy before I took his body ... but hey I was about to go to sleep from hearing him talk ... so I said screw it and possessed him ...
Cool.
Body snatching - Srinath.
Quote from: nightrider on January 15, 2007, 11:17:52 PM
Srinath used to make so much sense,
When!?? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: nightrider on January 15, 2007, 11:17:52 PM
he was a parts god, full of advice, what has happened to him... :cookoo: :cookoo: :cookoo: :dunno_white:
He wouldn't be Srinath if he wasn't :cookoo: .....I don't notice any difference, personally... :icon_razz: :kiss3: :icon_mrgreen:
i just did a current event on this for school! thanks for the article! :thumb:
were selling switchblades and collapsible metal rods as self-defense weapons.
:laugh: just found that comment to be very funny.
Wow, and they should also feet because criminals often use them to walk up to (or run at) their victims.
Quote from: Mr.7 on January 15, 2007, 09:46:40 AM
This makes me thankful that I live in a democracy
It would be even better if we live in a democracy where we don't feel a need to bash other countries just because their laws are different than ours......
If people care to read the original Chinese article, the ban is nothing more than just a way to keep the pollution level down by keeping the motorcycle out of the a small area of the downtown core (not the city itself), which is very similar to the traffic control/restriction in most major European cities.
Same with the comment about the censorship on ebay. Anyone who care to check the fact will see that there are still over 5000 motorcycle related listings on ebay China.
I have been to the city a few times and I personally know a few people who live there. As far as I can tell most people *who lived there* wanted the motorcycle out of the downtown core. I am not sure why it is considered not democracy when the people lived there want to have a law to address their concern. :dunno_white: From some of comments it seems to me that people somehow thought democracy means 'Approved by American'.......
Quote from: bbq on February 06, 2007, 03:22:47 PMI am not sure why it is considered not democracy
Uh... 'cause China isn't a democracy...
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761573055_13/China.html#s54
Quote from: EncartaThe structure of China's government follows a Leninist model of one-party rule (see Communism) established by revolutionary leader Mao Zedong in 1949. Under the Leninist system, the mandate to govern originates not in elections but in the ruling party's armed seizure of power. The claim to legitimacy rests on the ruling party's assertion that it serves the interests of the people. Russian revolutionary leader Vladimir Lenin first established this system in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR), and it was later adopted by or imposed on many other socialist states. In China, the ruling party is the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), which came to power in 1949 and established the People's Republic of China.
No doubt there are good things about living there... but no doubt you can't truly speak your mind either. I went to S. Korea once and even though it's a democracy, I could feel what it might be like living in perhaps a communist country... conformity is the name of the game. The US isn't as free as some other countries no matter what you may think, but it's still the best place in my opinion. Thank God I'm here.
Quote from: nightrider on February 06, 2007, 07:09:44 PM
The US isn't as free as some other countries no matter what you may think,
What other countries did you have in mind?
I said in another thread that there were no bargains in the current motorcycle market but I forgot about those Chinese imports. Those four stroke MX bikes have piqued my interest again. Hmmm. :cheers:
Quote from: Gisser on February 07, 2007, 01:59:32 AM
Quote from: nightrider on February 06, 2007, 07:09:44 PM
The US isn't as free as some other countries no matter what you may think,
What other countries did you have in mind?
Ever been to France?