We're considering buying a trailer house but, as someone who's lived in several, I'm afraid of buying a new one for fear of what it'll be worth and like in 20 years. Houses in our area are thin and the available homes aren't anywhere near large enough for what we need. We considered modular type homes where they build eveything somewhere else and then ship it all in, but the quality of work in them isn't up to what I think is par for cost.
I'm considering an all steel home because the cost per square foot is actually lower than a mobil home. We can get a 45X65 steel building with a 50 year warranty on all the material for $15,000 including a slab/servicespace. If we bargain-buy all the interior construction materials, we can build the inside up for less than $45,000, or we can just get everything at like lowes/home depot for closer to $60,000...either way we end up with the home we want, around 2500sq/ft, for $60~75k. The mobil homes we want in this range are $85~105k.
Thing is I've never lived in, built, or worked on a steel home, so I don't know if there are any problems they're prone to or anything. So does anyone here have experience with them?
Its all about what you want, and the area you live in. When we started looking for house we thought about a trailor. You get alot more house for the money. Then we looked into Modulars which was a bit more but it was stick build and would still do ok if we every decide to sell. Now with the trailor. You can get a huge/nice one for alot less then a real house but it all depends on if you dont mind it dropping in value. :icon_mrgreen:. When it all comes down to it do what you gotta do. If the trailor is more practical due to size and price i say go for it. :thumb:
There is a company that turns the shipping containers into houses. Check that out, I dont remember the exact links. but even Bob Vila had a show on it. You can do it yourself too I think.
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YEah srinath I saw that bit with Vila...I actually want to get a few 40' containers and make my super-garage out of them haha.
It's not a matter of which is practical. A trailer is practical now, but in 15 years it's not. By the time it's paid off, it'll be nearly worthless. this is why I want to build a home instead of buying a modular/trailer...primarily for the plumbing. Everytime you get a trailer's floor wet, it melts a little.
Trailers are like cars they are worth less evey day.
Modular homes are almost real homes and there value goes up. If you but one on your land you will make the most equity. For example I've seen people buy modulars for around 125k and put them on there own property and it apraised for 300K with land scaping. and finishing the upstairs.
Stick build houses are always the best bet as far as long term value.
With the way reality is going around here, I'm planning on getting a modular by the end of the year, and then renting my current home.
Yes a Stick Built House is the way to go.For the $100,000 one casts nowyou can Buy,rent,Borrow ETC. a Camping Trailer to live in while Building a House and still have Less than 1/2 in it while still having a Sturdier,Nicer House than what you will get with a Mobile/Double Wide Home.That is if you do the Work yourself.If you have to get a Contractor the Price will Double and you still don't know what you are Getting Completely.
Being a Carpenter/Handyman by trade I always Pick Houses Apart to find whats wrong with them.My Cousin and her Family Moved back from NC back in the Fall and Instead of Living in a house that She Owned and Fix it up a Little she went in Debt $100,000 for a New Double Wide.When they Delivered it I made the Mistake of Picking out the Faults in Front of Her. :laugh: :laugh: It still hasn't got any Guttering or Pillars Under the Sliding Glass Windows and the Siding is Waaaaaaaavy.In the $108,000 final Price they still had to call in a Plumber to hook up the Water and Sewer,Hook up all of the Phone Lines and do the Final Grading around it to keep the water from running underneath. :icon_rolleyes:
That's one of the reasons I'm wanting to avoid a trailer...I can build a bigger home on a real foundation for less money. I can do the work myself and I do have two other experienced men who can help so it's not going to be too time consuming...if we got on the ball I estimate like 4 months to make it live-in-able.
Plus, after I was gone for the weekend, I come home to find an inch of water in my house. Water line slipped off a fitting at the water heater because they don't do real plumbing in trailer houses...they putting these puss ass clamps on that wiggle off over time. Anyone want to guess what happens to trailer house floors when they get wet? They melt.
I'm not familiar with the "stick built" term...I'll look that up.~found it...a made on site home. That's what I want.
So...as for the original question...any experienc with metal homes?
MAK building a steel home is the way to go. all to many times people over look how much better a steel home really is. they last longer and are built better. with the new building codes and material that they use in conventional houses these days , they will only last 15-20 years without major repair. you get a steel home and you are set. look at how long steel buildings last!
here in VA when I have a house built it will be a steel home. not a pre-fab though. Im doing the drafting and design myself. but its so much cheeper to build. and talk about garage add ons.... HECK YEA
I hate all the pre-fabs. One of the reasons I like the idea of building my own is to get bigger bedrooms...especially a bigger master bed/bath...but all the pre-fabs, even on 2500 sq ft plans, the bedrooms are all tiny. I can see a nursery being 10X10 but what kind of teenager can deal with that?
Quote from: makenzie71 on February 18, 2007, 11:16:14 PM
I hate all the pre-fabs. One of the reasons I like the idea of building my own is to get bigger bedrooms...especially a bigger master bed/bath...but all the pre-fabs, even on 2500 sq ft plans, the bedrooms are all tiny. I can see a nursery being 10X10 but what kind of teenager can deal with that?
another good thing about a steel home in TX is the dry air. talk about lasting forever. its crazy that it cost more to build a cheeper house these days and less to build a better house.
A steel home? :icon_confused: Do you mean steel siding--like a commercial warehouse? I've seen steel roofs on residential houses; they ain't too pretty but should hold up well. If you don't like painting you could do a stick-built with aluminum siding, I suppose. :icon_rolleyes: Seriously, what's the diff? :dunno_white:
The difference is that the entire supporting structure is made of steel. It's stronger, cheaper, more resistant to the weather, and easier to assemble. You can build a 45 X 65 steel building for less than $15,000, including a 24" slab. All you have to do from there is build the inside. As said I'm looking at building a 2500+ sq ft home and I'll be able to do it for under $70,000 and it'll last forever. Also, as Susuki said, after it's built, it'll triple in value.
I lived in a VW bus with two other people for a while...
That's made out of steel. :dunno_white:
Quote from: RVertigo on February 19, 2007, 02:29:54 AM
I lived in a VW bus with two other people for a while...
That's made out of steel. :dunno_white:
did you really now? lol freeken hippie ;)
yeah anything with a foundation is better than a trailor, they depreciate like cars. I hope to get a house to move into after my lease is up august after next.
A steel building ... OK how does it pass code, as a house or a shop type of thing. Also how would you insulate it ??? Inquiring minds want to build one of them freaking things and live in it ...
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Quote from: seshadri_srinath on February 19, 2007, 01:39:28 PM
A steel building ... OK how does it pass code, as a house or a shop type of thing. Also how would you insulate it ??? Inquiring minds want to build one of them freaking things and live in it ...
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http://www.kodiaksteelhomes.com/index.aspx
build it just like a wood house but with real materials not all that fake wood crap they build houses out of these days .
Yeah srinath...it gets insulated just like a wood home. The insides are finnished like other homes...drywall and all that. The only thing about a steel home that's really different is that the outside walls are the only load bearing walls and the entire exterior and supporting structure is made out of steel.
I managed to google and find that Kodiak site.
Now I'd need a contractor to build one right. I mean its as complicated as a regular house.
Maybe I should call them tommorow. They had a plan that my wife thought will be good too.
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You goin into prison mate? Steel home and all?
I like modulars, there is a company in germany (can't recall name at the moment) but they were on a program called Grand designs. They built the walls of the house and the roof including electric, plumbing, windows with glass, all already installed. It took a day for them to put the whole house together. Just basically stood the walls up, bolted them together and dropped the roof on done and dusted. Then you just put in the fixtures and fittings, they even came with painted walls etc...
Fantastic to watch it done.
Aren't prisons in US cinderblock ???
Anyway I associate that with prison, but this idea needs to be checked out. Steel house ... I dont like the fact that in a conventional house, by the time you have paid it off, you've replaced everything piece by piece ... hence I was fixated on log, and steel might be the better option. I cant stand drywall, but I might live with it if I know its all steel behind it all. Steel siding, steel studs and steel trusses under a steel roof. Very good. Now to find someone who'd do it.
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Curious as to whether one can insulate a steel home against really hot weather?
Quote from: pandy on February 19, 2007, 04:54:57 PM
Curious as to whether one can insulate a steel home against really hot weather?
Chrome the Mofo ... it will reflect 99%, and you'd be good ... O0 ...
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BLING!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
My GF and I have been plaining on building a home next year. We looked at modualrs, domes, etc... The steel ones that I looked at seem like a GREAT idea. They are easy to assemble w/ only a crew of 2-4. They can be made COMPLETELY Steel, siding, framing and roof. :thumb: And Yes.. You can insulate just like a wooden house
Quote from: seshadri_srinath on February 19, 2007, 05:03:36 PM
Chrome the Mofo ... it will reflect 99%, and you'd be good ... O0 ...
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OMG! I didn't have to pull my srinath~english dictionary to read this!! :laugh:
Pandy, have you ever been in a steel shop during the summer? Or in a home with a metal roof? They insulate the same and really the inside temps aren't that big a deal.
I'm doing the plumbing in a neighborhood that's all 2&3 store modular homes....yes 3 stores! The are pre plumbed, wired and hvac, just have to connect between the floors and under the "house"
They are all high end , right on the Sav.river, 400,000 dollar pieces of total crapolla!
The dumbies that set them up mixed up 4 houses, so they had the wrong tops on them...you'd drive by and go.....huh? Too funny!
And actually engineered lumber, like tgi beams and the like, while made from pressed board are extremely strong, the have a huge vertical weight limit. And if the builder knowa what he's doing and the carpenters are carpenters and not 2x4 installers that house is supper solid....plus it'll never settle. But in this area, augusta,ga expect to pay 195-260 per sq ft for that quality. Steels wacky though...now caves, that's where its at!
I just looked at the kodiak steel homes site...I don't like most of their floorplans...plus they're priced really high! At least I think they are considering what they're offering (when they say "frame kits" I assume that's all they mean...the framing). By the time you're done building a 2500sq/ft home you've still spent $200,000.
I think I love this one, though!
http://66.162.2.42/dispatch.php?what=displayHomeFrameset&pl=rhino (the augusta and the chadwick I like...lots of floorplans...damn...haha)
Quote from: makenzie71 on February 19, 2007, 05:21:49 PM
Pandy, have you ever been in a steel shop during the summer? Or in a home with a metal roof? They insulate the same and really the inside temps aren't that big a deal.
Only uninsulated ones....that's why I was curious about how the insulation compared. :)
You put 6" of glass between you and anything and you'll be plenty safe.
Oh yea Mak, that rhino site is cool.
Let me know when you get more progress.
I just think it may end up costing more than site built or modular. I will check it too ... but no distributor for rhino in NC area ...
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Well for what I wanted to do initially, it would be MUCH cheaper. I wanted (and still do, somewhat) to build a home using a prefab steel building...but kalee isn't too thrilled with it because it wouldn't look like a home on the outside, really. It'd look like a...well...a building. In my area you can get an 18" foundation laid and built a 45X65 steel building over it for around $15,000 to complete. Then you just make a home out of the inside...which, for the 2100~2200 sq ft of living area I would like to have, it would cost around $35~45000. Then it's just the cost of furniture which could easily run another 20k haha
Problems there ... windows, insulation, many others ... internal walls.
Defintely better off with something designed and kitted out as a house. I somehow want to build one without taking out a loan ... that means I can cut out a ton of crap that the bank will require me to ... Let me see what they say when I call them.
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Nah putting in windows ina steel building is simple...easier than in a wood home, in my opinion. We've done this is several shops. Interior walls are one of the biggest reasons I wanted to do this with a steel building. Outside walls are load bearing...not inside. They can be anywhere, which makes room location and dimension and remodeling possabillities endless. Steel home structures are different, though, and the interior walls are loadbearing.
another good thing about steel is, if you are off by a 1/4 of an inch or off in another manner you can fix it very easy with some wacks of the ironworking hammer ;). working with steel is so much easier than working with wood. being a machinist/welder/and ironworker taught me that.
Yea my welder can do major house additions too ... just toss some crap on it and weld ... :thumb: ... yea like he does with trailer roofs while his brother satisfies the trailer chicks :thumb: ...
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Quote from: Susuki_Jah on February 19, 2007, 08:30:26 AM
Quote from: RVertigo on February 19, 2007, 02:29:54 AM
I lived in a VW bus with two other people for a while...
That's made out of steel. :dunno_white:
did you really now? lol freeken hippie ;)
I really did... I wasn't a hippie, I was a homeless 16 year old... :icon_confused:
I met a man who built customs steel homes here in NC. His House's looked just like the real thing wood and rock work the whole 9. not sure of the cost but I'm sure they would last longer.
I've also seen steel buildings fitted into high end office buildings with nice windows and ok looking siding, you should be able to look as nice as you want them.
Quote from: RVertigo on February 20, 2007, 01:17:45 PM
Quote from: Susuki_Jah on February 19, 2007, 08:30:26 AM
Quote from: RVertigo on February 19, 2007, 02:29:54 AM
I lived in a VW bus with two other people for a while...
That's made out of steel. :dunno_white:
did you really now? lol freeken hippie ;)
I really did... I wasn't a hippie, I was a homeless 16 year old... :icon_confused:
dang man crazy. kinda like boxcar children
Quote from: Crucialval on February 20, 2007, 07:32:57 PM
I met a man who built customs steel homes here in NC. His House's looked just like the real thing wood and rock work the whole 9. not sure of the cost but I'm sure they would last longer.
I've also seen steel buildings fitted into high end office buildings with nice windows and ok looking siding, you should be able to look as nice as you want them.
You have a number ?? or a company name or something. Many thanks ...
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Its a great idea, a steel frame/exterior house... but if you want it to increase three-fold in value after you build it the house must have curb appeal... If you want to re-sale, you must build for the masses, as stupid as they are... Its easy to sell a trendy house.
haha
The building for that plan would cost about $40,000 including all the
plumbing and wiring.
$1100 to sheetrock cieling
$3200 to sheetrock walls
$175 to panel all closets (not sheetrocking closets)
$6000 (roughly) to build all the interior walls
Comes out around $50,475
This does not include fixtures. We could furnish and fixture the rest
of the house for less than $10,000
Roughly 3000sq ft.
(ignore the pidly garage...just there for location)
(http://www.photoartclub.net/floorplan.jpg)
Oh and the biggest part of the interior estimate is planning $20 per foot of interior wall with 18" studs at 10ft height...which I think is a bit over estimated and not all the rooms will be 10ft high.
I'll try to find info. the guy is a friend of a friend so it may take a few days. but i'll try
Mak - need info. Who is the supplier of the steel stuff. I am serious. And who is framing it. This is a custom plan that the company will build right.
Wifey drew a plan that almost will lay over yours ... it was a 2800 sqft though, on a 42X72 foot print I believe.
Anyway, I would put all bathrooms against outside walls and some small stuff like that. Yours is like a 45 X 75 or somehting right. Looks cool.
Anyway Garage is addable. You can build it any time. I would do it as a stand alone with a breezeway of sorts.
I also would like one with an attic space with dormers so its a nice open play area.
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The plan is based on a 48X72 steel building...not something they'll come out and put up. I have experience erecting steel shops and buildings and I've three other handy men who can help as well. Putting it up ourselves is a good cut in cost and it's really not difficult work if you've got a good tractor with a bucket. We're probably going to be scaling it down, though, because won't be able to do much with 3000sq/ft except fill it with crap.
The building I'm looking at is supplied by Mueller fabrication. I ran with 48X72 because that's as big as they can really make the building without needing a high roof. As is, the peak of the building is around 16ft and the exterior walls are the only load bearing structures. This way we could have 10ft cielings in some rooms, even higher in others, a decent size attic, and lofts. I've always wanted a loft. The floorplan is just something the fiance drew up. I did my estimates by calculating cost of quality 1/2" sheetrock at $.31 per sq/ft (from Home Depot) and then calculating the entire wall and cieling area. I then calculated the cost of walls (interior walls only as the exterior walls are supplied with the building) at $20 per linear foot. The only things not calculated are insulation and fixtures.
When it actually comes to buying material and what not we're likely going to go with something like 45X65. A 45X65 building with a 16ft peaked roof is a bit cheaper and it'll hold up to 150mph wind...a tremendous bonus as we live in Tornado Alley.
You should really consider garages and porch areas when laying the foundation. Having all the foundations laid at once makes things much simpler.
Aaaaah ... building to house conversion.
I am also looking at these since you put that idea in my head, but I want standing seam steel roof, steel siding that looks like vinyl, a loft and stuff yea but that 16 foot sounds good though. I'd so 8ft and do knee walls upstairs. Anyway, let me see what mine works to. I got someone chewing on it. I cant prolly do it though.
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Yeah we're looking at several siding options to make it look more like it a home and less like a "building". One idea is to rock the lower half all the way around, and then do the top with steel siding. Between that, all the windows, and some shubbery it should look decent.
Rock or brick or whatever has this one huge disadvantage IMHO. You need to put OSB underneath it. You can do wrap and steel siding without if you dont have brick. I hate introducing a decay prone, moisture weak termite food material in an otherwise solid sturcture. You can actually do that same trailer roof material instead of siding too. I just like steel siding a bit more for the stealth nature of it. Looks like siding, is steel type deal.
Anyway I am still working on the finding a guy to build part. lets see how much luck I have. but yea I wish I could have some friends who can build it, and I get in there and build the freaking thing. That'd be so cool.
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I have a hypothetical question.
Say I have a 40X60 foot print house. I want a 8ft front and rear porch for the full width. I also want the whole upstairs area hidden in the roof AKA loft/attic/bonus room.
Now I can get that with a 56 foot steel frames with say a 6/12 roof pitch, Like this one ...
http://www.heritagebuildings.com/steel_homes/hillcrest/index.asp
Or get that with a 40 foot steel truss with a 9/12 roof pitch and a set of shed roof extension from the main roof extending out that 8ft front and rear at a 3/12 or something. Like this one.
http://www.heritagebuildings.com/steel_homes/crestwood/index.asp
I cannot directly compare these 2 they are very different.
Which will be cheaper and will it be significant enough to count in my descision.
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hmmm...srinath with the hillcrest plan there you already get the material for the porch front and back if I'm not mistaken...crestwood just has the front. If I understand Heritage's descriptions, they include all but finnishing materials but I won't say fr certain. We really haven't been looking much to buying a pre-planned kit.
We do, however, want a covered porch along the front of our house as well. We're redoing our floorplan again, but the last draft we did used a 42X65 building with the peak in the middle. The outside walls were 10ft, and I just carried the roof out over the porch. No change in angle, that way we could just order longer roofing sheets.
(http://www.photoartclub.net/house.JPG)
That's the basic look from the side. This carried 6' over our porch usin the same sheets as on the room. Height at the outside edge of the porch is 8' and it's supported using 8" pillars. We're going to wrap it all up with a nice little railing.
This is our latest floorplan which is roughly 2485 sq/ft and will cost roughly $52,000 to build (not including fixtures and counters.
(http://www.photoartclub.net/house2.JPG)
OK Your pics didn't upload.
Anyway I think I'd have to get the stuff from the same place you get.
The shed vs whole bigger truss thing, I am sorta partial to the shed type different roof line deal. I dont want the rectangular box look. I am anyway slapping dormers on it and will have complicated roof line a little bit. I also want a standing seam metal roof and of course steel siding. Lets see, I might price it out with them and see. Building to house conversion is cool, cos there are a million building suppliers. I ahve one that this contractor builds a lot of from a company called mesco. I think a building is the best way to go, and turn it into a house. But lets see how it pans out in this area ... heck I need to find the right land to build on. My hill that I found was great for basement, but slab ... not at all.
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I'm not too sure what you're meaning about your roof...draw me a picture, mate. We've got at least a dozen different floorplans laid out...maybe one of them will be more your style.
That crestwood proch was what I was talking about. The roof pitch will be different for the house (much steeper like 9/12) and porch will be like 3/12 or less.
I have pics but this is prolly something I will have to check with the manufacturer.
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Well really that's not a difficult thing to do. They just put a piece of flashing to seal the gap between the porch and the roof. In that case, though, the porch and house would be completely seperated and independant...like something you add on. I'm trying to keep my roofs all on the same planes so that I can keep the building completely contained.
Its sorta like that, but since its a slab it will be on 1 floor. The cost was what I was talking about, will it cost more or will I be better off going with a larger truss. Like I said, I would prefer to have the 2 different roof lines just to keep it from looking boxy.
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To go with two seperate roof angles, yeah, it'll probably cost more but it wouldn't be tremendous enough to really deter the idea.
We don't particularly want the "box" look but there's other ways to hide it than just altering the roof angles. Several of our floorplans have the porches set into the house, making a squarish dogbone shape from above. Other plans are designed around piecing together two or three buildings and just merging the roofs. You can always contact Mueller Steel. They'll put together a kit for you using any dimensions you want...I'll probably buy my material through them.
My idea is to have a steel building garage that connects to the house via a breezeway. Only problem is, that whole thing will more than likely be behind the house so from the street It will look like a box. The development I am going to has several modular houses that are very very box like ... so if I am not building a modular, I am getting as far away from it as I can.
Lets try it and see what they say for $$$ ...
I just cracked Kodiak's formula ...
Adding 12 feet on a 48 deep base, with 8 foot porch and 2 rooms on first floor and 1 roon on second floor with one 12 foot dormer = 10K.
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Ok they say no mold, termites, dry rot, fire and high wind resistance.
Here is the important question in that case ... like what about rust ... gaaaaa ...
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Ah the dreaded rust! A mate of mine has a steel-hull narrowboat that he and his Mrs use as a holiday home / houseboat in a freshwater canal system.
He has to get it lifted out of the water once a year and check the hull and paint it, other than that nothing. Modern marine paints are often good for a year in salt water conditions so unless you can afford to build in stainless steel (Bullion might be cheaper) the trick would be to ensure that once built all the steel is accesible for periodic inspection and maintenance.
My experience with steel hulls is that condensation is an ever present problem but I imagine you would allow for this insulation and ventilation wise but make sure that if condensation does form on the inside of the shell that it can run somewhere it will do no harm, you dont want pockets of water forming at the base.
It sounds a very interesting and worthwhile project, good luck with it and keep us posted with progress and developements.
NC is humid and heck has good changes in temperature to cause condensation. I would think if its hidden behind the dry wall and insulation its going to be tough to inspect. I'd think since its all galvanised, it will stand up just fine ... except for places you scrape the zinc off when you screw in stuff.
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Tru, rust IS a concern...this is why you buy kits with 50yr warranties and you buy from companies like Mueller who've been doing the work for the last century so odds are they'll still be around.
Man the red oxide BS ... its gonna be hard to spot rust on it too. I wanna powdercoat my house. I think I'll ask them that ...
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red oxide is difficult to deal with. It's much easier to go with galvalume. It lasts longer, it's stronger, and it's much easier to spot corrosion.
The way we intend to build the house the siding outside will be easily removed. This way I can pull a random sheet periodically and inspect it for damage. I really doubt it'll be a problem in my area, though.
Well wont it have to have house wrap under the siding ... and can I get the same red iron type pieces with galvalume on it instead of rust oxide ???
Damn mak ... I wish I were in texas just for this, or Phoenix ... moisture barrier ... try 100 miles of desert.
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I can't find a number for my friend, but I'll keep looking.
Quote from: seshadri_srinath on February 27, 2007, 01:59:18 PM
Well wont it have to have house wrap under the siding ... and can I get the same red iron type pieces with galvalume on it instead of rust oxide ???
Damn mak ... I wish I were in texas just for this, or Phoenix ... moisture barrier ... try 100 miles of desert.
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Just talk to whoever you'd buy material from and explain to them that you're concerned about rust and that inspection won't be easy. They'll give all your options including warranties on thicker galvanized materials.
After we are done installing the siding etc ... cant we paint the screw and scratch marked areas with spray paint. Yea I know that POS will chip and flake off in a month. heck ... I'd powdercoat the whole house ... if I could find a large enough oven.
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Mak needs a Lustron!
There are a few near me. They look brand new, even though they were built during the late 40's. All the steel is coated with porcelain! :)
http://members.tripod.com/~Strandlund/index-9.html
A few interesting facts about the company:
The plant had the largest porcelain coating line in the world.
It had one of the largest stamping lines in the world.
Due to the electric enameling ovens, the plant used more electricity than the city of Columbus.
The Lustron company was sold for scrap not more than 5 years after being incorporated due to political pressure.
OK geep dude ... how about we sneak in while they are sleeping and like unbolt the panels and bring it over to my place ...
OK fine ... why dont I porcelain coat my panels and put it on ... Its like powdercoat right. BTW that jet hot coating I had on my exhaust ... pretty bad. The pipes rusted under it easily ... it was supposed to be ceramic.
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porcelin houses! badass!
Mak, why dont they make the houses that will take steel siding that looks just like vinyl siding ... those studs they screw them into, they should have like a clip, so you can lock it to the lower panel and click the top into place on each stud. It will like have a little hook sorta thing and you clip it on and bend the thing over. Well ... maybe its meant to take the rolled seam less steel thing ... and that definetly needs screws ... Well is that why ???
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Hey ... what is the anticipated life of that material they use on the roof. Its called seamless steel roof.
I believe those are much better than the trailer roof things my welder fixes.
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You can get siding instead of sheet metal. When ever you're ordering your material just order up some aluminum/vinyl/whatever siding and install it like you would anywhere else.
The roofing material we will buy will be warrantied for 50 years.
The seamless roof is what I was talking about. I know standing seam is warrantied for 50 years. but what is the warranty or expected life of that seamless or corrugated steel thing.
Now is that what the most common material is on the outside walls of the building.
I dont want siding. That is almost the worst idea to do to a steel house IMHO, with IMHO - brick being the worst.
I'd either do steel that looks like vinyl siding, or that corrugated steel stuff that looks like well steel sheets ... AKA making a house look like a building, and not a house.
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Srinath.
Mako ... I am getting more questions ...
The plan I drew is a 50 X 75. If I got a 70 X 100 building, I can have a 75 X 25 garage on one end, and have a 10 foot porch front and rear on the house and fit it all well in the building and have the coolest porch front and back too. I also want to have a mezzanine with the same porch. Now can I do a house with no load bearing walls at all for the 75 foot length, cos they's all be 10 feet inside the outer span.
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Srinath.
I said earlier in the post I knew some that built these as homes. I think I've tracked him down and will have his number soon. if so I'll call him and ask if I can post it.
Some one told me today a steel building ~ 10,000 sqft in size (is it ~50X200 or ~100X100 didn't ask ... ) can be built for ~6,000. I am waiting more info and calls from various people on that. Hope its right ... I also heard some old ones come for sale ... you will need to re install, but it be next to nothing for the building.
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Srinath.
Bump - need this topic to stay on and not disappear.
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rinath.
I know you can find old qounset huts REALLY cheap when they come up on the market :dunno_white:
next question srinath what are your plans for the aforementioned building? a home, ( might want to check codes on that), or a garage or...
Since I now live right by mak, I plan on copying his house ... but better ... O0 ...
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Srinath.
Steel framing is the way to go if you want to build on site. With steel, your walls will be straight and true, as long as you assemble correctly. With wood, walls won't be perfectly straight no matter what you do, because wood warps. For you exterior walls, a larger percentage of the area will be insulation compared to wood.
With modular homes, where the walls are pre-fabbed, quality varies with the manufacturers, and with the contractors that assemble them. In 20 years or so, the only homes built on site will be prefab, or 3000 sq ft and up. Smaller homes will be priced out of the market.