A few points stand out to me.
Doesnt give a flying f%$k about the environment and has set us back by years if not decades, reversing improvements (i.e. Kyoto for one)
Attempted to disable salmon and forest protections/reconstruction in the NW
Stifles/quashes dissent in scary ways (global warming reports censored, scientists muzzled)
Created an environment where predatory corporate misconduct and corruption thrive (Enron Halliburton et al)
Weakened essential gov't organizations (i.e. FEMA, attorneys scandal, other agencies infilled with loyalists)
I have to run. I will edit and add more later. :flipoff:
oh: doesnt give an f about workers rights, healthcare, the rest of the world if they disagree, or education
On the plus side, he does favor immigration reform... but only because it's necessary for US industry and small business owners to function with the lowest possible expenses.
You're right. Now, everybody start writing your representatives and senators to impeach.
I already have...but NY alone isn't enough to do it...we need some of those key "republican" states...
What environment ... China and India are spewing toxins like there aint no tommorow ... which very well may not be.
I think we should start polluting as quickly as we can so we atleast can stop the hemorraging of the jobs.
But ... I suggest we dump the toxins with a looong pipe and a good powerful sludge pump in the direction of china ... so it makes it over there in 1 piece ... cos they sure as hell are spewing it in our direction and sending us their crap over in containers too ... like the $9.99 angle grinder I bought made of egg shells or the toys for my son, which ironically were better made than the grinder and lasted longer too.
Cool.
Srinath.
who cares. It's not like the president has supreme power over anything anyway. And I always love this "bush administration" nonsense because the majoraty of the politicians in power now were up there a decade ago. Not like impeaching him will do any good, either, because politicians will just elect another dufus that's good for politicians. The people have no say in it. It's all pointless and not enough people are willing to do anything about it...so shut the f%$k up.
Quote from: makenzie71 on May 02, 2007, 01:29:32 PM
who cares. It's not like the president has supreme power over anything anyway.
Checks & Balances:
In Theory - Executive Branch (The President) has the same amount of power as Legislative (Congress and the House- the "voice of the people") and Judicial (Supreme court "The voice of the constitution")
I'd say that's as close you can get to one man having supreme power.
Once the invasion of Iraq started, I didn't care if it was right anymore, I was just rooting for our side. Also I like watching tanks, jets, marines, and stuff blowing up.
However everything leading up was propaganda. Remember his eve of war speech? The words coming out were carefully selected, but everything else was a lie, and also stated that either way, he didn't give a f%$k anymore what anybody else thought. That is scary.
Even if you agree with the ends, the tactics are coercion, denial, and secrecy. His actions don't even fit his stated beliefs (i.e. fiscal conservatism). A President with average class and finesse could have done a better job post-911, pre-war, post-Katrina. And would have way more progressive views to boot, and actually give a f%$k.
I just think it's weird so many people voted for him in the first place. Twice. :cookoo: Hopefully this is the last President of his kind, not the start of a trend.
On the plus side, you have to give it to him, he sticks by his guns.
I am proud that Murtha is my area Congresman here in PA :thumb: He has done A TON for my area and has called for the removal of Bush :thumb:
I think he should take over :thumb:
I know that some on the board have served in Iraq like me, and I can tell you first hand... WE NEED TO BRING THE TROOPS HOME !!! The Iraqi "Army" and "Police" if they even deserve the titles, are LAZY!!! They dont care about the state of their own country, but yet we are there trying to make it better for them. As a cop in the Airforce I helped train Iraqi police and military. THEY DONT CARE! They would rather get drunk, sleep and play cards than do anything to help their city or country. We gave them our Humvees, Cop cars, BP vests, Guns.. things most police depts in the US would die for and they dont care.. They even sell the items we give them to buy drugs, cars and beer!!! Its much worse than you could ever imagine. We shouldnt send another penny there! The reason our troops dont have equipment is... WE GIVE IT TO THE IRAQIS !!! and ... THEY SELL IT TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE KILLING OUR TROOPS !!! We spend weeks training their police just so they can take that knowlege to the insurgents :cookoo:
I would like to give a big shout out to Iraqi Police officers that I trained... thanks for waisting my time... :2guns: :2guns: :flipoff: :flipoff: GOOD LUCK WHEN WE PULL OUT ! You dont have a chance in hell :flipoff:
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Quote from: nightrider on May 02, 2007, 12:20:07 PM
Stifles/quashes dissent in scary ways (global warming reports censored, scientists muzzled)
If anything it's the opposite, and has nothing to do with the administration.
Despite what the media tells you, man made global warming caused by CO2 emmissions is no where NEAR proven. there is still TONS of real, legitimate science that says that the changes in climate we are experiencing are normal, and that CO2 has no effect on climate.
However the global warming eco-mentalists like al gore have said stupid things like "there is no debate" and "every credible scientist agrees" for so long that the general public beleives it.
People that question it are called things like "non-beleivers". Global warming isnt science - it is religion. People accept it based only on faith, and admently defend it without any real scientific backing.
Remember - it was junk science that got DDT banned. and millions of people die every year from malaria because of it.
but yea all that stuff you said about iraq is totally right.
Quote from: jdanna on May 02, 2007, 09:49:53 PM
Quote from: nightrider on May 02, 2007, 12:20:07 PM
Stifles/quashes dissent in scary ways (global warming reports censored, scientists muzzled)
If anything it's the opposite, and has nothing to do with the administration.
Despite what the media tells you, man made global warming caused by CO2 emmissions is no where NEAR proven. there is still TONS of real, legitimate science that says that the changes in climate we are experiencing are normal, and that CO2 has no effect on climate..
... :o
are you from Detroit?
i think most ppl agree it is happening... the question is what to do about it... :dunno_white:
Quote from: nightrider on May 02, 2007, 10:49:12 PM
... :o
are you from Detroit?
nope.
im just more likely to beleive that the giant ball of fire that provides all the light and warmth to our planet (you know, the one that is under a state of constant and seemingly random change) has more impact on our climate then a gas that all non-plant life exhales constantly, and makes up only 0.038% of our atmosphere.
remember, the simplest answer is usually the right one.
temperatures now are actually still lower then they were during the medievel warm period. and for 40 or so years until the mid 70s, deperatures were dropping and "the whole scientific community agreed" that we were causing global cooling, and were headed straight for a new ice age.
this man's ideas are preposterous! off with his head! :2guns:
If you will permit some thoughts from a foreigner,
jdanna's comparrison between science and faith is interesting. As an atheist it often crops up in my thinking but that's another debate. The comparison may or may not be valid as you cannot prove that anything does not exist, check out the "Parable of Bertrand Russel's teapot" as an example (Google perhaps)
What is measurably provable is that we are polluting a great deal more, China will probably overhaul the US this year as the worlds biggest polluter in total, however because of the population China produces around three tonnes per head whereas the US produces about 20 tonnes per head. Meanwhile the rest of the world is either improving or slowing its excelleration which means little in the face of US, China and India.
One thing proven by science is that no organism can exist in an environment of it's own excreta, it does not need a giant leap to suggest that this might well apply to a species as well as individuals.
The overwhelming evidence suggest that we do have a problem but a problem that is solvable. Clearly we cannot expect emerging economies to arrest their own developement when we developed nations have cut down most of our own forests and used most of our coal, oil, minerals etc, indeed we need them to develop, who else is going to make crappy angle grinders for Srinath?
The European experience is that "Going green" can actually benefit the wider economy and new technologies are emerging all the time, not just no carbon or carbon nuetral but carbon-capture looks very promising. UK and Norway are about to embark on building power stations run on North sea gas oil that will capture the emmissions, pump them back into the oil wells where they came from which extends the life of the well by 30% and releases no carbon emmisions. Win-win.
Individually our contributions seem insignificant but we can make a difference without living in the stone age.
Don't want to dabble in US Politics and nor will I but scottpA_GS made a point about the Iraqi security forces. It does seem strange that they appear to be amazingly ineffective when under Saddam they were a terror-machine keeping all dissidents etc well under the thumb. Possibly it was a mistake disbanding the Army and dissolving the Baathist party after the invasion but what is done is done.
I saw G Bush on a US news channel yesterday saying that setting a date for withdrawl would endanger US (and others) more. Whilst not being George's greatest admirer he was right, back in the 60's the brit army was engaged in a troublsome place called Aden (now in the Yemen) and the govt of the day set a date for idependance and British withdrawl two years ahead. This led to a blood bath as rival factions fought even more especially amongst themselves to claim the credit for chucking out the Brits who were going anyway. Go or stay, that is for Americans to decide not me but don't make the mistake of publishing a timetable, it will cost even more lives.
That's my two pennyworth, sometimes I wish OMW was not banned, I would love to see his suggestions, thermo-nuclear war perhaps or simply ignore it all ??
Hi, I’m new to the board and forum but felt that I should shine some light on the past and recent Bush administration and American practices.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOXOLlyFZUg
There are tons of links and info out their, this is just one of many. Enjoy
Global warming isn't a myth nor is it due to the sun ...
Yes Co2 makes up .038% but its the heaviest gas molecule and its a gas ... OK that got nothing to do with it really ... just pointing out an anamoly ... however a increase of say another .001 will cause a 3-4 degree bump in temperature.
However ... man made CO2 ... industrial CO2 ... gimme a freaking break, the earth makes tons of it from lime stone rocks and other natural sources, which in turn cause sea levels to rise due to warming and that in turn causes more Co2 to come out ... ad nauseum. Domino effect ...
So ... did man cause the first domino to fall by rampant industralisation ... probably ... will the earth have another domino fall and go the other direction ... more than likely ...
1500 years ago, earth was really warm (polar Ice caps prove that), 500 years ago the earth was really cold (polar ice cap again) so somehow ... some thing happened and we got the warming trend reversed. more than likely, we will see it again.
However, we are ploouting the earth with a lot more, and nuclear power is much much cleaner and we are staying away from it. That is going to come back to bite us, if its not already doing so. Global warming ... big deal. Its probably warming up, and probably going to get even warmier still, and probably going to abruptly reverse course and get cold again in the next few hundred years.
Cool.
Srinath.
Quote from: seshadri_srinath on May 03, 2007, 04:59:57 AM
nuclear power is much much cleaner and we are staying away from it.
well global warming is just a minor blip of a few hundred years' indiscretion compared with 100's of THOUSANDS of years of radiation leaking out of all the eons-old, long-decayed radiation canisters... sheesh. What a Buddha Loves You of a cleanup thats gonna be... if humans even have the technology or knowledge of exactly wtf is going on with our nuclear waste in say, 300000 AD. Even that Yuma Mt site or whatever the f it is is no guarantee of anything. Radiation gets around.
Nuclear waste doesn't cause global warming.
We also didn't have 100's of thousands of years of radiation leaking out of decayed radiation cannisters. We built reactors from the 30's to 70's. That is the extent of our radioactive wastes.
CO2 pretty much is the biggest culprit in warming. Soem minor things may do a bit here and a bit there, but co2 trumps them all in quantity needed for direct effect.
Cool.
Srinath.
Not to mention that nuclear reactors require massive cooling...Look at the one out in Buffalo NY. Lake Erie is messed up because of the constant release of warm water into the lake from cooling the reactor. They've since shut it down because it cost to much to keep running.
Quote from: Onlypastrana199 on May 02, 2007, 01:13:23 PM
I already have...but NY alone isn't enough to do it...we need some of those key "republican" states...
Ah, you must be referring to the areas known as "Dumbfuckestan".
Quote from: Jake D on May 03, 2007, 09:10:01 AM
Quote from: Onlypastrana199 on May 02, 2007, 01:13:23 PM
I already have...but NY alone isn't enough to do it...we need some of those key "republican" states...
Ah, you must be referring to the areas known as "Dumbf%$kestan".
And I get to live there...lucky me. I'm the bluest of blues in one of the reddest states. Home of global-warming denier and, not coincidentally, corporate oil "ho," Sen. James Inhofe (former chair of the Senate environment committee). A real deep thinker.
If anyone believes global warming isn't real, find me 10 scientists WITHOUT oil company connections who are saying this. Good luck. I work in academia, and I believe in science. A HUGE majority of scientific research points to human-accelerated (possibly human-caused) global warming. Ignore it at the peril of your children's children.
Global Warming is happening. But not to an extent to actually be worried about. The earth has suffered Ice Ages where ambient surfaces temperatures averaged around 100 degrees. The majority of evidence shows that almost all of the Paleozoic was plagued by temperatures in excess of 125 degrees. When looking at the big picture our current temperature levels are fairly mild. Even cutting 90% of our 'greenhouse' gas emissions would have almost no effect on the current temperatures. Just my .02
I'm pretty sick of the subject, though, it comes down to we really can't control what happens with our environment on a certain level and man doesn't want to admit that there is a lack of control so we scapegoat the problem to something that 'theoretically' could be a cause.
We also had a mini ice age a couple hundred years ago. I don't know if you've heard of the potato famine or the plague? Yeah, that was nice. Let's wait until the next mini ice age to worry about green house gases. That way we won't have to reduce our dependence on foreign oil one bit! Let's hear it for the Grand Old Party!!! Yay!!!
Meh, hopefully hillbillary dont get in in 08 :cookoo:
and global warming has been going on long before humans got involved, as much as the liberal left would like to to not believe :laugh:
Quote from: Cal Price on May 03, 2007, 12:58:10 AM
What is measurably provable is that we are polluting a great deal more, China will probably overhaul the US this year as the worlds biggest polluter in total, however because of the population China produces around three tonnes per head whereas the US produces about 20 tonnes per head. Meanwhile the rest of the world is either improving or slowing its excelleration which means little in the face of US, China and India.
this is exactly why i think all this global warming/CO2 is gonna end the world crap is so dangerous!
i am NOT anti-environment. i think we should do everything we can to clean up after ourselves, and reduce the amount we pollute.
but to focus on emmissions of CO2 because they "cause global warming" takes away the focus on all the other crap that we spit out.
you know, the smog, the carcinogens (sp?), etc.
Check out this article:
http://clubs.ccsu.edu/Recorder/editorial/editorial_item.asp?NewsID=188 (http://clubs.ccsu.edu/Recorder/editorial/editorial_item.asp?NewsID=188)
Are reduced CO2 emmissions that slow global warming (which again, is FAR from proven, and has a very good chance of being TOTALLY wrong) worth the immidiate, tangible effects that building a prius has on the environment? I dont think so.
Rallying behind junk science has historically proven to be dangerous, and its just all happening again.
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on May 03, 2007, 09:29:40 PM
and global warming has been going on long before humans got involved, as much as the liberal left would like to to not believe :laugh:
Maybe you ought to watch something other than the Faux News Network (or read). The issue is whether we are accelerating the warming. Yes, there have been cycles before (and many species have died out as a result of those cycles). We're now heating the earth at a faster rate than before, and real scientists (not oil company shills) think it's because of CO2.
What possible motive do real scientists have to point out this problem? They aren't going to get rich publishing their theories.
What possible motive do oil company whores have to deny it? The oil companies stand to make billions more if we stick our heads in the sand.
Kind of telling that the cons have a financial stake in denying. They wouldn't lie for money, would they?!? Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld and the rest of the GOP lie? Does a bear s*it in the woods?
They say there are still people who believe the moon landings were faked by the US government... that the holocaust never happened... that Jesus is coming back in about 2012...
Prove to me that there is an HIV/AIDS virus. You can't. There is just a bunch of talk, liberal scientists yammering, bunch of people who are/were sick.
Yep.
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on May 03, 2007, 09:25:16 PM
Meh, hopefully hillbillary dont get in in 08 :cookoo:
I agree. John Edwards or Barack Obama would be much better. Although I'd love to see Hillary win just because of how much it would irritate the reichwingers. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: nightrider on May 03, 2007, 10:19:57 PM
They say there are still people who believe the moon landings were faked by the US government... that the holocaust never happened... that Jesus is coming back in about 2012...
Prove to me that there is an HIV/AIDS virus. You can't. There is just a bunch of talk, liberal scientists yammering, bunch of people who are/were sick.
Yep.
:thumb: and i never did say that ppl werent involved in global warming, or accelerated it, but it has yet to be proven, and trumpetguy the democratic party as well as teh other parties out there do the same damned thing, so if youre gonna bash bush, hell bash the oehrs as well mmmkay :laugh:
Quote from: trumpetguy on May 03, 2007, 10:25:15 PM
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on May 03, 2007, 09:25:16 PM
Meh, hopefully hillbillary dont get in in 08 :cookoo:
I agree. John Edwards or Barack Obama would be much better. Although I'd love to see Hillary win just because of how much it would irritate the reichwingers. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
well it would be funny as all hell to call bill "first lady" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:, im not keen on edwards, perhaps obama i dunno yet, lol both parties have severely disappointed me in fact all aprties have. but i must vote, just dont know who for, yet :thumb:
I think I'm going to vote for Obama. I like Bill Clinton and think he was a good President but Hillary is a little scary/artificial/scheming.
Obama is an intelligent guy, he has the potential to be a brilliant president.
Quote from: nightrider on May 03, 2007, 10:19:57 PM
They say there are still people who believe the moon landings were faked by the US government... that the holocaust never happened... that Jesus is coming back in about 2012...
Prove to me that there is an HIV/AIDS virus. You can't. There is just a bunch of talk, liberal scientists yammering, bunch of people who are/were sick.
Yep.
thats a nonsense analogy. there is tons of legitimate science saying global warming is nonsense.
if manmade co2 emmissions cause global warming, why does the ice core data from 2 different ice core studies show a lag of hundreds of years between when temerature goes up or down and when co2 levels go up or down?
why were medieval temperatures significantly warmer, for much longer, then the current warming trend?
why is the current warming trend not effecting temperatures in the troposphere?
why was there a 45 year cooling trend before the current warming trend, when during that 45 year period co2 emmissions never decreased?
is it possible that the current warming trend is related to the current trend of higher solar activity?
that the HUGE BALL OF PURE WARM THAT WE CIRCLE AROUND has something to do with the temperature?
Not a chance! the oil companys are paying me to say this!
lmfao @ huge ball of pure warm
Well, the leaders of the world's largest countries are pretty much over debating the science now... they are on to regulating emissions (obviously no one wants to).
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?alias=un-climate-talks-reach-ag (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?alias=un-climate-talks-reach-ag)
All that emotional appeal followed by the last paragraph:
QuoteSo, if you are really an environmentalist - ditch the Prius. Instead, buy one of the most economical cars available - a Toyota Scion xB. The Scion only costs a paltry $0.48 per mile to put on the road. If you are still obsessed over gas mileage - buy a Chevy Aveo and fix that lead foot.
The only vehicles mentioned were made by Toyota and General Motors. I wonder how much GM paid Chris Demorro for that ad? Not that I don't agree with parts of it. Why spend a small fortune on added complication when you can buy a cheap 4 banger? Hell, VW Rabbit Diesels were getting 60+ mpg in 1981.
I don't know where they get the 100,000 mile figure from, but it is BS. A forklift battery is good for around 20,000 hours of operation, the traction motors at least that long. 20,000 hrs at 50MPH is a million miles more or less. The chassis will last half a million miles without question. I have a VW Rabbit, a VW Fox, and a Dodge Dakota well past half a million miles and they're still on the road.
Both sides are skewing the issue in an attempt to fit the policy to their actions. The bushies want to keep their oil business alive and highly profitable, the tree huggers want us to go back to candles. Somewhere amidst all the bullshit is the truth. It is irresponsible to think that the millions of tons of pollutants we spew into the atmosphere every day have absolutely no effect on the environment we live in. Pollutants such as fine particulates, lead, mercury, radioactive contaminants, etc. This ball of rock has a finite atmosphere and a finite quantity of energy resources.
In the end, if you really want to know what is going on you have to dig below the political scum that floats on the surface.
Quote from: nightrider on May 03, 2007, 10:43:00 PM
Well, the leaders of the world's largest countries are pretty much over debating the science now... they are on to regulating emissions (obviously no one wants to).
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?alias=un-climate-talks-reach-ag (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?alias=un-climate-talks-reach-ag)
the UN and IPCC are not science. they are political orgisations.
the IPCC report credited tons of scientists that totally disagreed with it. then refused to take their names off of it.
thats why "all the scientists agree"
Quote from: GeeP on May 03, 2007, 10:45:31 PM
It is irresponsible to think that the millions of tons of pollutants we spew into the atmosphere every day have absolutely no effect on the environment we live in. Pollutants such as fine particulates, lead, mercury, radioactive contaminants, etc. This ball of rock has a finite atmosphere and a finite quantity of energy resources.
In the end, if you really want to know what is going on you have to dig below the political scum that floats on the surface.
i COMPLETELY agree. i just think we should focus on things like fine particulates, lead, mercury (which those "co2 friendly" hippy ass compact florescent light bulbs are FULL OF btw) radiactive contaminants, etc, instead of focusing all of our energy in reducing emmissions of a gas that half the life on this planet exhales constantly.
concerning global warming, check this out:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4499562022478442170&q=documentary+warming
the argument is a little biased, but it's worth checking out..
Quote from: 97gs500e on May 03, 2007, 10:58:18 PM
concerning global warming, check this out:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4499562022478442170&q=documentary+warming
the argument is a little biased, but it's worth checking out..
thats a good watch.
some spots are a bit biased, but on the whole its got a lot of good points.
they had one graph that was innacurately labeled, that they fixed in later versions.
and one of the scientists they interviewed recanted some stuff and said they took him out of context. he was probably applying for a grant.
there was a canadian produced doc thats a bit older also, but i forget the name. it focused more on the IPCCs manipulation of the ice core data. ill try and find it.
my big point is that there is still a LOT of debate. to compare my questioning global warming on the grounds of science and evidence to sombody denying the holocaust is absolute nonsense.
so is the argument that i always hear which is : "all scientists agree"
anybody that knows jack about science knows that all scientists NEVER agree. science isnt based on consensus.
religion and politics however, are.
i just realized i really like the word "nonsense"
i must have used it like 17,000 times in this thread alone.
Quote from: nightrider on May 03, 2007, 10:34:31 PM
I think I'm going to vote for Obama. I like Bill Clinton and think he was a good President but Hillary is a little scary/artificial/scheming.
Obama is an intelligent guy, he has the potential to be a brilliant president.
ehh i have my issues with slick willie, but, i will make an informed vote this next time, :thumb:
Jake: Holy f%$k!!! Someone else that knows we actually had an ice age recently :o :o :o :o Yep it's been directly linked to those occurances and to a large portion of the 'vikings' decline :thumb: :thumb:
Quote from: jdanna on May 02, 2007, 09:49:53 PM
Quote from: nightrider on May 02, 2007, 12:20:07 PM
Stifles/quashes dissent in scary ways (global warming reports censored, scientists muzzled)
If anything it's the opposite, and has nothing to do with the administration.
For examples,
Governor Kulongoski (D-Oregon) recently stripped Oregon State climatologist George Taylor of his job title for expressing his opinion that the bulk of global warming in the last half century is cyclical rather than caused by human activity.
QuoteIn an exclusive interview with KGW-TV, Governor Ted Kulongoski confirmed he wants to take that title from Taylor. The governor said Taylor's contradictions interfere with the state's stated goals to reduce greenhouse gases...
Same story up north where the University of Washington canned/fired/terminated employment of its meteorologist and associate climatologist for disputing a govt report stating that Cascade snowpacks have shrank 50% in the last fifty years--which they haven't.
Quote"In all my years of doing science, I've never seen this sort of gag-order approach to doing science," said co-worker and meteorologist Cliff Mass.
Regarding the current administration, the US Senate voted down the Kyoto Protocol 99-to-1 during the Clinton administration. :thumb:
I love Obama...I would have his babies...you know except for the whole lesbian thing...
Yep, Shrillary will irritate the reichwingers ... problem is she doesn't just irritate reichwingers ... she irritates everyone ... our friends, our enemies, moon people, people who live in the subway, trolls, leprechauns, women ...
Yea, she irritates the crap out of women. Heck, 90% of women wont vote for her if there was a different choice. I have heard some one come on the radio one day a few weeks ago and say ... yes I'll vote for a woman, just not that one. Yup ... me too. I might consider voting outside the species. How about Dilbert for president.
Anyway, Global warming ... yes there are several non oil company scientists who dont entirely believe the cause and effects as presently portrayed ... however are they anti Gore and hence that way ... no idea. In fact I believe it was a Virginia tech professor who I heard on the radio and how he thought it was a huge stretch.
But the other pollutants ... those are real. Arsenic, mercury, lead, PCB's etc etc etc ... and petro based power plants spew tons of those.
Pastrana: I dunno why they had to shut down the nuclear power plant due to hot water, cos we have one that we are running at full steam (no pun) and we do have the water dump into the lake/river ... if it gets too hot, so what, it will cause its own micro warm spot, but how does it affect the larger picture. Warms up the ocean ??? how much ... it takes a looooong time to get to the ocean though, it prolly warms up all along the way a little and prolly not much at the ocean.
Cool.
Srinath.
the one in buffalo was dumping into a lake..which is..much much smaller than the ocean clearly...it was causing all kinds of problems, algae blooms that killed fish and what not...the ecosystem of the lake (and tourism cause it looked disgusting) was pretty much dying..
Are directly going to cause another ice age or mass flooding? I don't really know.
I do, however, think that common sense dictates that if we were over-consuming resources and pumping so much waste into a balanced ecosystem that it is bound to destroy it. Scientists can prove the existence of the atmospheric layers and the effect that our waste has on it. It certainly doesn't take a scientist to prove that consuming exponential levels of oil are hurting the planet on some level.
It's really stupid to politicize environmental research- and pretty damn awful that Oil companies would rather make money by covering up and paying off "researchers" than provide a better future for generations to come.
Granted I got most of my research information from the documentary "Bio Dome" starring Pauly Shore and Billy Baldwin..... :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on May 03, 2007, 09:29:40 PM
and global warming has been going on long before humans got involved, as much as the liberal left would like to to not believe :laugh:
Hopefully your little lauch icon is laughing at your retarded post.
Quote from: jdanna on May 03, 2007, 10:04:19 PM
Quote from: Cal Price on May 03, 2007, 12:58:10 AM
What is measurably provable is that we are polluting a great deal more, China will probably overhaul the US this year as the worlds biggest polluter in total, however because of the population China produces around three tonnes per head whereas the US produces about 20 tonnes per head. Meanwhile the rest of the world is either improving or slowing its excelleration which means little in the face of US, China and India.
this is exactly why i think all this global warming/CO2 is gonna end the world crap is so dangerous!
i am NOT anti-environment. i think we should do everything we can to clean up after ourselves, and reduce the amount we pollute.
but to focus on emmissions of CO2 because they "cause global warming" takes away the focus on all the other crap that we spit out.
you know, the smog, the carcinogens (sp?), etc.
Check out this article:
http://clubs.ccsu.edu/Recorder/editorial/editorial_item.asp?NewsID=188 (http://clubs.ccsu.edu/Recorder/editorial/editorial_item.asp?NewsID=188)
Are reduced CO2 emmissions that slow global warming (which again, is FAR from proven, and has a very good chance of being TOTALLY wrong) worth the immidiate, tangible effects that building a prius has on the environment? I dont think so.
Rallying behind junk science has historically proven to be dangerous, and its just all happening again.
You are obviously focusing too much on polution cause by automobiles. As Lewis Black said, "Bush was worried about whether or not gays could get married but we still don't have an energy policy and we won't have solar power in my life time."
You can still keep you SUV if we focus on renewable fuel source. Try opening up some creative thinking into that thick republican skull of yours. We can't continue to use coal to power our cities. And Bush wants to RELAX the emissions standards placed on coal burning power plants instead of tighten them. That is because he is in bed with the energy lobby. There can be no other explaination. Got sun? Got wind? Got corn? Use 'em.
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on May 03, 2007, 10:27:06 PMand trumpetguy the democratic party as well as teh other parties out there do the same damned thing, so if youre gonna bash bush, hell bash the oehrs as well mmmkay :laugh:
No problem. Whenever I see the Democrats spending us into the poorhouse, lying us into a war, spying on American citizens, authorizing torture, hiring based purely on ideology/loyalty and not skill (heckuva job Brownie), suppressing minority voters, issuing propaganda to media outlets, and raping the environment, I'll bash them. Fair enough! :thumb:
Go JakeD, go JakeD,
hes done in a year, hes not going anywhere nor are his policies, start focusing who you are going to vote for next. oh and global warming-Joke.
Quote from: Jake D on May 04, 2007, 08:38:54 AM
You are obviously focusing too much on polution cause by automobiles. As Lewis Black said, "Bush was worried about whether or not gheys could get married but we still don't have an energy policy and we won't have solar power in my life time."
You can still keep you SUV if we focus on renewable fuel source. Try opening up some creative thinking into that thick republican skull of yours. We can't continue to use coal to power our cities. And Bush wants to RELAX the emissions standards placed on coal burning power plants instead of tighten them. That is because he is in bed with the energy lobby. There can be no other explaination. Got sun? Got wind? Got corn? Use 'em.
solar and wind power are too expensive and too innefecient to be practical.
i agree that we need to get away from coal. nuclear power is the cleanest and most efficient source of power we have today.
im not agreeing with bushes energy policy, but i am also adamently disagreeing with the global warming lobby.
Ah. Something told me you'd go with the "waaaaaaa. . . it's too hard" argument. You see, if we'd spend a Brazilian dollars on R&D for alternative fuel sources rather than establishing middle eastern colonies (tell me I'm wrong about that one) we'd get it figured out.
The ONLY long term viable solution to our energy problems are solar and wind. We can't continue to think that fossil fuels and "nuke-ler" power are the answer. We have to develop better alternatives that have ZERO impact on our environment. Because on a long enough time line, everyone's life expectancy is zero (thank you Tyler Durden). AKA, we can't solve our problems by continuing to think on the level we were thinking on when we created our problems. 100 years ago, the fastest a human had ever traveled was on a steam powered locomotive. Do you think that 100 years ago, someone would have believe we'd be traveling in hybrid motor vehicles? The answer to our problems is, gasp, something we haven't invented yet. If that means ultra efficient solar and wind power, than so be it.
And in 2008 the Republican's will scare the herd with talks of gheys, guns, and God. They'll turn a blind eye to our colonies in the middle east, the (5 year old) war in Iraq, the really thin ice cap, the proliferation of hurricanes on the gulf coast and all those silly little matters, and the herd will vote on the next American Idol instead of the person they should be voting for (Obama).
Edit: Your end of the lesson, trick.
Quote from: Jake D on May 04, 2007, 01:18:16 PM
Ah. Something told me you'd go with the "waaaaaaa. . . it's too hard" argument. You see, if we'd spend a Brazilian dollars on R&D for alternative fuel sources rather than establishing middle eastern colonies (tell me I'm wrong about that one) we'd get it figured out.
The ONLY long term viable solution to our energy problems are solar and wind. We can't continue to think that fossil fuels and "nuke-ler" power are the answer. We have to develop better alternatives that have ZERO impact on our environment. Because on a long enough time line, everyone's life expectancy is zero (thank you Tyler Durden). AKA, we can't solve our problems by continuing to think on the level we were thinking on when we created our problems. 100 years ago, the fastest a human had ever traveled was on a steam powered locomotive. Do you think that 100 years ago, someone would have believe we'd be traveling in hybrid motor vehicles? The answer to our problems is, gasp, something we haven't invented yet. If that means ultra efficient solar and wind power, than so be it.
And in 2008 the Republican's will scare the herd with talks of gheys, guns, and God. They'll turn a blind eye to our colonies in the middle east, the (5 year old) war in Iraq, the really thin ice cap, the proliferation of hurricanes on the gulf coast and all those silly little matters, and the herd will vote on the next American Idol instead of the person they should be voting for (Obama).
Edit: Your end of the lesson, trick.
your kind of contradicting yourself here - saying the only long term viable solution is solar and wind, then saying the only viable solution is something we havent invented yet.
im not willing to bank our future on something that hasnt been invented yet, or is prohibitivly expensive.
nuclear power is a metric bajillion times more effeciant then solar and wind, and 10 metric bajillion times more eco-friendly then coal.
im not talking about gays, guns, or god, and i do like obama. but he simply has 0 foreign policy experience, which makes me think he would make a total mess out of pulling out of iraq.
i do agree that we need to start pulling out right now, but its gotta be done right. what right is, i do not know, but i dont think obama does either.
im aa registered dem right now, but im gonna change so i can vote for rudy in the primarys.
As a NY'er...I hate Rudy and Hitlery especally...I love Obama..I'm blunt what can I say?
Quote from: Jake D on May 04, 2007, 08:32:36 AM
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on May 03, 2007, 09:29:40 PM
and global warming has been going on long before humans got involved, as much as the liberal left would like to to not believe :laugh:
Hopefully your little lauch icon is laughing at your retarded post.
care to elaborate?
Fred Thompson '08 :thumb:
Quote from: jdanna on May 04, 2007, 12:26:40 PM
solar and wind power are too expensive and too innefecient to be practical.
Entirely untrue. I'm in the process engineering a 100% solar system to supply 400A three-phase service to my house and business.
The electric rates doubled this year. Combine that with demand billing on three-phase and expected further increases in the electric rates and solar makes perfect sense. I expect to break even on the installation in 20 years or less. The cells I'm looking at have a 40-year output warranty and will withstand 1" hail at 60 MPH.
One thing I have learned is that it is perfectly possible to power an average sized home with less than half the roof area of the house. Battery banks and inverters provide night power.
It isn't a question of the technology being available, it is a question of whether we're willing to use it. Around here I see lots of brand new F-350 duallies hauling a few bags of groceries on the weekend. If they had spent that money on solar they could free themselves from the grasp of the power company.
The future doesn't involve powerplants in the same way we see them today. In the future many homes will power theselves with banks of solar panels on the roof. The installation will not be big, bulky, or require excessive maintenance on the part of the homeowner. In fact, the technology will require less attention than your water heater.
Why haven't these things hit mainstream yet? Because the people arent cold, dark, and hungry yet.
Quote from: Jughead on May 04, 2007, 10:28:25 PM
Fred Thompson '08 :thumb:
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on May 04, 2007, 11:49:35 PM
Quote from: Jughead on May 04, 2007, 10:28:25 PM
Fred Thompson '08 :thumb:
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Seems Like a Really good Guy to me.Pretty Damn Good Actor too. :thumb: Even when He was in Politics here in TN He done a Good Job.Too bad he stepped out.Thats one other thing He Knew When He needed to step out to take Care of Family Problems.How Many other's Have you seen Step back unless they Died in Office. :dunno_white:
Hillary? I really Don't think I could Stand another 4 or 8 Years of Her and Her posse Running the Country. :mad:
hillary i dont think will be a worry, neither will be obama yet, i think he might in the near future tho, the reason i rant so much on the liberal left is basically tehy want to do things, but have no idea as to how to do them, or basically all theyve done the past 4 years or so, is blame everything on bush ( which im not denying that at all), they should have gotten to work, on things which needed doing. not this in party bickering crap. murtha on the other hand...... ill save that for another time, if i vote for a liberal democrat ( which most are), hmmmm, kinda hard to chose which one. in all honesty, kinda hard to chose ANY politician at all :thumb:
That is why I like Obama...yes he's pretty much a politics Rookie...but he's smart and he cares about PEOPLE not money. He was consistent in the way he voted over the years, he was against the war in Iraq in the first place, but now that we're there he doesn't want an immediate pull out. He cares about health care, and his plan for universal health care is actually quite brilliant. He's pro Medicaid/care using their leveraging power to obtain lower prices on medications by pressing the pharmaceuticals, similar to Canada where medication is significantly cheaper. He's articulate, and can reason with people. He's worked for all he's got and I respect that, unlike our current president (and yes I do know because I went to Yale and there was proof there...I'm surprised that with some of the things I've discussed I don't have the Skull and Bones coming after me..) Obama is honest, he doesn't get sucked into the mudslinging...even when Hitlery tried to start something.
I had the honor of meeting him and having dinner with him shortly after he was elected to the Senate. Ever since then I've followed his career. There was just something about him. I have never felt so strongly about a candidate, normally I just choose the lesser of two evils...anyone who hasn't already read his books...you should definitely pick them up. The Audacity of Hope and Dreams of my Father.
The guy could be a very good Prez.
I am thinking Obama vs Ron Paul in 08 and will make a pair of good options I think.
Cool.
Srinath.
good point pastrami, im prolly voting split ticket or what not, will give him a look perhaps :thumb:
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on May 04, 2007, 09:03:24 PM
Quote from: Jake D on May 04, 2007, 08:32:36 AM
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on May 03, 2007, 09:29:40 PM
and global warming has been going on long before humans got involved, as much as the liberal left would like to to not believe :laugh:
Hopefully your little lauch icon is laughing at your retarded post.
care to elaborate?
Not really, but. . . I assume you don't believe evolution, either. Ever see a fossil? :laugh: Now that's funny.
Quote from: jdanna on May 04, 2007, 04:03:54 PM
Quote from: Jake D on May 04, 2007, 01:18:16 PM
your kind of contradicting yourself here - saying the only long term viable solution is solar and wind, then saying the only viable solution is something we havent invented yet.
im not willing to bank our future on something that hasnt been invented yet, or is prohibitivly expensive.
nuclear power is a metric bajillion times more effeciant then solar and wind, and 10 metric bajillion times more eco-friendly then coal.
im not talking about gheys, guns, or god, and i do like obama. but he simply has 0 foreign policy experience, which makes me think he would make a total mess out of pulling out of iraq.
i do agree that we need to start pulling out right now, but its gotta be done right. what right is, i do not know, but i dont think obama does either.
im aa registered dem right now, but im gonna change so i can vote for rudy in the primarys.
I guess the obvious subtext to what I was saying is that solar energy has been sustaining life on planet Earth for millions of years. In the last few seconds (on the evolutionary clock), we have managed to pull a Ron Jeremey on our non-renewable resources and produced a global fart of CO2. If we want to keep kickin' it like child actors, we need to be smarter about it and figure out a way to make solar energy work for us. We have to figure out a way to make it better and a viable long term solution (which, obviously hasn't been invented yet, 'kay?). But it probably will never solve all our energy problems. So we need to use it in conjunction with other technology to get the most out of it.
Scandals:
Wolfowitz - World Bank
WMDs, Nigeria claims
Valerie Plame leak
Alberto Gonzales attorney firings
Abu Ghraib, secret prisons
Haditha killings + others
Katrina aftermath + response
FEMA, EPA, other agencies undermined
UN Wiretapping
Boeing/White House staffer conflict of interest
Intel/Rove conflict of interest
Halliburton, KBR and others/Cheney conflict of interest, no-competition bids, astronomical overcharging, lack of documentation, bribes, dealing with Iran, misleading accounting
Tom DeLay corruption
Jack Abramoff corruption
Bush AWOL in Vietnam
New Hampshire election phone attack
This is a partial list actually barely scratching the surface. These guys operate with impunity to serve their own interests.
I'm totally fed up with the current Repubs and nearly all of the Democs....
If the Dems come up with a good candidate (Not Obama or Hillary), I'll vote for them... If not, I'm voting for Jon Stewart.
Quote from: Jake D on May 07, 2007, 08:11:14 AM
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on May 04, 2007, 09:03:24 PM
Quote from: Jake D on May 04, 2007, 08:32:36 AM
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on May 03, 2007, 09:29:40 PM
and global warming has been going on long before humans got involved, as much as the liberal left would like to to not believe :laugh:
Hopefully your little lauch icon is laughing at your retarded post.
care to elaborate?
Not really, but. . . I assume you don't believe evolution, either. Ever see a fossil? :laugh: Now that's funny.
see jake assume means
makes an ASS out of U and ME
you assumed wrong chief, waaaaaaay wrong :thumb:
Quote from: nightrider on May 07, 2007, 01:54:38 PM
Scandals:
Wolfowitz - World Bank
WMDs, Nigeria claims
Valerie Plame leak
Alberto Gonzales attorney firings
Abu Ghraib, secret prisons
Haditha killings + others
Katrina aftermath + response
FEMA, EPA, other agencies undermined
UN Wiretapping
Boeing/White House staffer conflict of interest
Intel/Rove conflict of interest
Halliburton, KBR and others/Cheney conflict of interest, no-competition bids, astronomical overcharging, lack of documentation, bribes, dealing with Iran, misleading accounting
Tom DeLay corruption
Jack Abramoff corruption
Bush AWOL in Vietnam
New Hampshire election phone attack
This is a partial list actually barely scratching the surface. These guys operate with impunity to serve their own interests.
Katrina aftermath + response roflmao surely you dont believe the bush admin. is solely responsible do ya? LA had teh funds to repair levees LONG before1 bush was in power or 2 katrina happened
And blanco ( their governor was guess what, a democrat, :thumb:) and likely a liberal as well, since most of them are
Quote from: RVertigo on May 07, 2007, 02:02:30 PM
I'm totally fed up with the current Repubs and nearly all of the Democs....
If the Dems come up with a good candidate (Not Obama or Hillary), I'll vote for them... If not, I'm voting for Jon Stewart.
OK So why is Obama a bad candidate?
I have an idea, since the Reps have their ideals and the Dems have their ideals how about we split the country in to 2 pieces. People that like the Dems ideals can move back north, where they will ban guns, fatty foods, smoking, anything that uses oil (may want to check to see what oil is used to produce besides fuel), unified economy where everyone pays for the worthless, etc. and the people that like the Reps ideals move to the south where they will ban ghey marrige, worthless people, illegals.....you get the point.
Everything falls around money, it is just who do you want to have it. I have never seen or met an honest politician except the ones that have died, for they cannot tell anymore lies as they once did. Everyone of them will blabber BS just to get a vote or money for their agenda and they could care less about the people as a whole.
And another point, for those speaking hybrids, electric cars etc, why do you ride a motorcycle that has no emissions equipment, or remove it at a later date to go faster?
Quote from: Cannon Fodder on May 08, 2007, 07:07:59 AM
I have an idea, since the Reps have their ideals and the Dems have their ideals how about we split the country in to 2 pieces. People that like the Dems ideals can move back north, where they will ban guns, fatty foods, smoking, anything that uses oil (may want to check to see what oil is used to produce besides fuel), unified economy where everyone pays for the worthless, etc. and the people that like the Reps ideals move to the south where they will ban ghey marrige, worthless people, illegals.....you get the point.
It already happened, it was called the civil war. The north won. :laugh:
Somewhat true, the civil war was what caused the north and the south to combine not split apart. Now because of it we are supporting worthless people, illegals, high crime rates because of banning guns and babying criminals, etc. Before it is over with this country will be split again if it isn't already.
Strict gun laws up here are awesome. I live in NYC, not that many people have guns up here, and our crime rate is lower than ever.
We do however, have lots of gays up here- it's a really awful situation. Little known fact about ghey people: At night, when you sleep, they break into your home and eat your babies. It's been a century long ghey tradition. ghey people also spend most of their time trying to make everyone else ghey. I met a bunch of ghey people once, and they tried to steal all my rights and they went to a church looking for the sanctity of marriage so they could destroy it.
Oh Yeah, and we don't have slaves up here, so that is kind of lame. It's actually really ridiculous- blacks and whites get along as if they were equal or something. Even hispanics are friends with white people- it's disgusting and awful. What kind of society is this?
The worst is that some of my tax dollars go to educating minority youth. I mean, educating people of color??? That's ridiculous, and I shouldn't be paying for that. My god, what a world we live in....
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Wow Casi, share more stories of the eutopia you live in... I'm stuck down here in one of those dumb ass backwards Red states. Just don't use big words, we lack edgimacation.
Quote from: CasiUSA on May 08, 2007, 08:13:50 AM
Strict gun laws up here are awesome. I live in NYC, not that many people have guns up here, and our crime rate is lower than ever.
We do however, have lots of gheys up here- it's a really awful situation. Little known fact about ghey people: At night, when you sleep, they break into your home and eat your babies. It's been a century long ghey tradition. ghey people also spend most of their time trying to make everyone else ghey. I met a bunch of ghey people once, and they tried to steal all my rights and they went to a church looking for the sanctity of marriage so they could destroy it.
Oh Yeah, and we don't have slaves up here, so that is kind of lame. It's actually really ridiculous- blacks and whites get along as if they were equal or something. Even hispanics are friends with white people- it's disgusting and awful. What kind of society is this?
The worst is that some of my tax dollars go to educating minority youth. I mean, educating people of color??? That's ridiculous, and I shouldn't be paying for that. My god, what a world we live in....
</sarcasm>
That's the type of answer I expect to get out of a northerner, you know we here in the south are stupid the northerners know everything. And you wonder why your still labeled Yankees? Yeah lets put facts to that, the states that have the strictest gun laws are the states with the highest crime rates....I wonder why. I made a post without insults or anything of the sort and you respond with drivel.
Quote from: Stephen072774 on May 08, 2007, 08:33:44 AM
Wow Casi, share more stories of the eutopia you live in... I'm stuck down here in one of those dumb ass backwards Red states. Just don't use big words, we lack edgimacation.
Edgimacation, whas dat fer. Is that theres wun of those new fangled things called a school? I thinks I needs me to go to wun of those sinces my's last women lef me fer a feller with two toofs anz a fours by fours.
Quote from: Cannon Fodder on May 08, 2007, 08:57:54 AM
Yeah lets put facts to that, the states that have the strictest gun laws are the states with the highest crime rates....I wonder why. I made a post without insults or anything of the sort and you respond with drivel.
First of all- you said we spend our time supporting "Worthless people", and "illegals", so why don't you read over your last post and look up the word "Condescending" in the dictionary. That was merely my response to the types of "worthless" people we support up north.
Second of all, Like I said, guns are extremely uncommon in NYC, and this city is experiencing its lowest crime rate in decades. And you look at situations like the VA Tech shooting, and tell me that easily accessible guns do good?
Our violent crime rate is almost non-existant. Everyone down here has a gun :2guns: :2guns: So nobody is dumb enough to try anything :2guns: :2guns:
My GF's house got broken into a few years back while everyone except here brother was there. He shot the guy with birdshot 3 times ( the intruder was armed also ) :o I'm pretty f%$king sure when that guy gets out of jail he's not gonna try anything like that again :2guns: :2guns: :2guns:
Guns are a valuable tool :thumb: And if anyone tries to take mine I'm leaving. The day this country restricts it's citizens from possessing firearms is the day I become a Costa Rican Citizen :thumb:
Quote from: CasiUSA on May 08, 2007, 09:16:20 AM
First of all- you said we spend our time supporting "Worthless people", and "illegals", so why don't you read over your last post and look up the word "Condescending" in the dictionary. That was merely my response to the types of "worthless" people we support up north.
Well for one thing, there are worthless people. Welfare, foodstamps, criminals and all the damn liberals want to do is give handouts to these god damn people and not make them WORK FOR A LIVING, guess where most of these people are from? As far as I'm concerned they could execute every one of these worthless son of a bitches and the world would be a better place. Illegals, they expect the treatment as the same as the worthless. I have to say come here legally, work hard, pay taxes, and speak f%$king english. We support worthless people all over the country because of these ideals.
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Second of all, Like I said, guns are extremely uncommon in NYC, and this city is experiencing its lowest crime rate in decades. And you look at situations like the VA Tech shooting, and tell me that easily accessible guns do good?
The VA Tech shooting was a tragidy, no doubt. But that also brings a point, Laws only apply to those that follow them.....i.e. if you ban guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens then all that is left is criminals with guns, because they don't follow the law. What do you think would have happend if a few students in the dorm or the classroom was armed, do you think all 32 would have died? I would place odds that while a few would have been shot, the gunman would have been dropped within a couple of shots.
Quote from: Cannon Fodder on May 08, 2007, 07:23:07 AM
Somewhat true, the civil war was what caused the north and the south to combine not split apart. Now because of it we are supporting worthless people, illegals, high crime rates because of banning guns and babying criminals, etc. Before it is over with this country will be split again if it isn't already.
You have to admit, posts like this sound really freakin' crazy. Like sh*t house rat crazy.
Quote from: Cannon Fodder on May 08, 2007, 09:47:09 AM
Well for one thing, there are worthless people. Welfare, foodstamps, criminals and all the damn liberals want to do is give handouts to these god damn people and not make them WORK FOR A LIVING, guess where most of these people are from? As far as I'm concerned they could execute every one of these worthless son of a bitches and the world would be a better place. Illegals, they expect the treatment as the same as the worthless. I have to say come here legally, work hard, pay taxes, and speak f%$king english. We support worthless people all over the country because of these ideals.
And I hadn't even gotten to the really, really freakin' crazy post yet!! :laugh: You know what scares me the most: there are others like you in our midst, and you can vote!!! :laugh:
And one more thing dude, the Mexicans I see every day work their ass off. I guess if we "executed" them all, then maybe you could get a job, you gap toothed rube.
Quote from: Jake D on May 08, 2007, 10:03:21 AM
And I hadn't even gotten to the really, really freakin' crazy post yet!! :laugh: You know what scares me the most: there are others like you in our midst, and you can vote!!! :laugh:
Yeap, we also own guns too, so what is your point.
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And one more thing dude, the Mexicans I see every day work their ass off. I guess if we "executed" them all, then maybe you could get a job, you gap toothed rube.
I agree, most do. But they need to come to this country legally, learn to pay taxes and speak english. Alot think they are entitled to free living just because they crossed the border and popped out a kid. And I have a job, working anywhere from 9 to 18 hrs a day, I also have a full set of teeth that are taken care of by a dentist, which I pay for, along with my Health insurance that comes completely out of my pocket, my truck, my food, and every other god damn thing I own or consume.
Quote from: Cannon Fodder on May 08, 2007, 09:47:09 AM
Well for one thing, there are worthless people. Welfare, foodstamps, criminals and all the damn liberals want to do is give handouts to these god damn people and not make them WORK FOR A LIVING, guess where most of these people are from? As far as I'm concerned they could execute every one of these worthless son of a bitches and the world would be a better place. Illegals, they expect the treatment as the same as the worthless. I have to say come here legally, work hard, pay taxes, and speak f%$king english. We support worthless people all over the country because of these ideals.
Sorry, I concede. I remember looking at all the Dem platforms for campaigning, and the list was something like this:
- Give everyone's hard earned tax money to poor people to make sure they don't have to work
- Waste taxpayer money on food stamps to feed people who don't deserve to eat
- Give criminals firearms and make sure law-abiding citizens have no rights to defend themselves.
I should have seen that from the beginning...
Quote from: Cannon Fodder on May 08, 2007, 09:47:09 AM
As far as I'm concerned they could execute every one of these worthless son of a bitches and the world would be a better place.
...and this is the same person who thinks everyone should be armed? Great point.
Quote from: CasiUSA on May 08, 2007, 10:21:49 AM
Sorry, I concede. I remember looking at all the Dem platforms for campaigning, and the list was something like this:
- Give everyone's hard earned tax money to poor people to make sure they don't have to work
- Waste taxpayer money on food stamps to feed people who don't deserve to eat
- Give criminals firearms and make sure law-abiding citizens have no rights to defend themselves.
I should have seen that from the beginning...
Quote from: Cannon Fodder on May 08, 2007, 09:47:09 AM
As far as I'm concerned they could execute every one of these worthless son of a bitches and the world would be a better place.
...and this is the same person who thinks everyone should be armed? Great point.
Typical yankee, twisting words around to avoid the point. Tard farm this mother fucker and be done with it.
Nice- all you can come back with is "Typical Yankee" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I thought you wanted intelligent debate sweetheart :kiss3:
And where exactly did I twist this?
Quote from: Cannon Fodder on May 08, 2007, 09:47:09 AM
As far as I'm concerned they could execute every one of these worthless son of a bitches and the world would be a better place.
OMFG I LOVE THIS THREAD :kiss3: :cheers:
Well it was until you started with the insults. Let me ask you this, do you enjoy paying for crackheads, you should see the checks written for rehab, I know I use to write some of them? Do you enjoy paying for the housing of criminals for the better part of their life where they don't have to do anything? Do you want to pay for the health care of an crackhead because they won't get a job? I sure as hell don't like to. I absolutly hate my job but I get up every day, rain, sun, sick and snow and come to work to pay for what I have aquired over the years of saving and doing without. I have been in the ER with a concussion and listen to various ER nurses and doctors talk about how the people with this damn states common wealth insurance pay for these worthless people to come to the ER via EMS for a cold and shaZam! like that, then take a taxi home. Which the insurance picks up the whole tab, all because they don't want to get a job. Hell they want more money just pop out another kid and get an increase in welfare, which doesn't go to support the kids. You talk about people that don't deserve to eat, damn strait. If they can't get their lazy ass up and work because they have a debilating problem say like a hang nail, then no they don't deserve to eat. Most of these damn people it is a chore to walk to the damn mailbox and get the damn check which they don't deserve.
Quote from: CasiUSA on May 08, 2007, 10:45:10 AM
And where exactly did I twist this?
Quote from: Cannon Fodder on May 08, 2007, 09:47:09 AM
As far as I'm concerned they could execute every one of these worthless son of a bitches and the world would be a better place.
Nope you didn't twist that one.....You just stated that my idea that honest citizens should be armed and the execution of worthless criminals is stupid. So does that mean that we should arm the criminals and disarm the honest citizens?
Quote from: Cannon Fodder on May 08, 2007, 10:56:00 AM
Nope you didn't twist that one.....You just stated that my idea that honest citizens should be armed and the execution of worthless criminals is stupid. So does that mean that we should arm the criminals and disarm the honest citizens?
Please quote me where I "stated" this- I can't find it.
And no, obviously I don't think we should arm criminals, genius. That is the most transparent and pathetic attempt at trying to make your opposing view look bad.
Secondly, social programs for a reason: to help AMERICAN Citizens when they fall on hard times. They do not exist to squander tax money on making sure people don't have to work. No, they do not exist to keep the minorities sucking blood from the white man. No, they do not exist so that people can sit at home all day and just collect free money at our cost for no reason. No, they are not in place to make sure illegal immigrants can steal tax money. They exist to decrease the poverty level in this country. Social reform is not all free goodies for poor people who don't want to work.
People abuse the system- and just like anything else, such as Guns, the abusers make the news. The difference is that when guns get abused, people die. When welfare gets abused, .000000000001 cents get taken out of some small group's paycheck.
Quote from: Cannon Fodder on May 08, 2007, 10:17:15 AM
I agree, most do. But they need to come to this country legally, learn to pay taxes and speak english. Alot think they are entitled to free living just because they crossed the border and popped out a kid. And I have a job, working anywhere from 9 to 18 hrs a day, I also have a full set of teeth that are taken care of by a dentist, which I pay for, along with my Health insurance that comes completely out of my pocket, my truck, my food, and every other god damn thing I own or consume.
You agree that most Mexicans are hard working. And I would be willing to bet that, given time, you would concede that you were wrong, statistically wrong, about all of the other points you made too. But who's got the energy for that?
Do you listen to Rush Limbaugh all day at work? Just curious.
And by the way, it is pretty obvious you are pretty unhappy with your lot in life. Otherwise you wouldn't be so jealous, spiteful, and preoccupied with people that are, like you, just trying to have a BETTER LIFE. Get that? Mexican's are just people trying to have a better life. With courage and hard work. Yep, they should "sign the guest book" on their way in before they walk over to the fridge. But unless you know that somebody is an illegal alien, or a criminal, or a mooch, you should probably just. . .
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Quote from: Onlypastrana199 on May 08, 2007, 05:19:49 AMOK So why is Obama a bad candidate?
'cause he's just like every other candidate... He tells each different group what they want to hear and he acts according to the group he's addressing... I see no difference between Obama and Hillary... I have yet to hear either talk about real issues that affect real people, rather than spewing the same bullshit that every other politician vomits on the American people.
Politicians are not real people. Their only job is to get elected and vote themselves more raises. This country is being run by extremist elitists that pander to big business and turn the will of their contributors into law.
I also lack faith in 51% of the people of this country. I highly doubt they are unbiased enough to see anything other than skin color and gender... If David Duke ran against either one of them, I think it would be a damn close race simply because he's a White, Male, Cross-Worshiper. Barack Hussein Obama is only the 5th Black Senator in history... Yeah, real progressive country we live in.
If you're not a Cross-Worshiping Honky Dude, your chances are cut in half. :cry:
OK... I gotta stop before I start foaming at the mouth.
Quote from: Jake D on May 08, 2007, 11:24:47 AM
But unless you know that somebody is an illegal alien, or a criminal, or a mooch, you should probably just. . .
Actually I do, and they have been reported, jailed, cussed, but haven't been deported yet.
Bull shaZam!. Once again, that is bull shaZam!. Who do you know that has been reported, jailed, and not deported? Show me how anything you are saying is based on fact (rather than spectulation). Just once case, and I'll stand down.
I just have one question for you Cannon Fodder... Who the f%$k are you? Seriously are you the spawn of OMW?
Quote from: Jake D on May 08, 2007, 11:54:20 AM
Bull shaZam!. Once again, that is bull shaZam!. Who do you know that has been reported, jailed, and not deported? Show me how anything you are saying is based on fact (rather than spectulation). Just once case, and I'll stand down.
Family friends daughter, jailed for domestic violence, lost custody of her first baby because of drug use. Now is knocked up again and hasn't worked a complete day in her life nor has been to the required rehab, etc.
Currently there is guy in jail right now who has been deported 2 times and has killed someone while DUI.
Oh there have been more where they were released on bond or released after 24hrs for public intoxication.
Quote from: Onlypastrana199 on May 08, 2007, 12:21:59 PM
I just have one question for you Cannon Fodder... Who the f%$k are you? Seriously are you the spawn of OMW?
Nope, read some of his posts though. He seems to have a strong opinion on various topics, maybe a little to strong on some of them.
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on May 07, 2007, 11:21:37 PM
Quote from: nightrider on May 07, 2007, 01:54:38 PM
Scandals:
Wolfowitz - World Bank
WMDs, Nigeria claims
Valerie Plame leak
Alberto Gonzales attorney firings
Abu Ghraib, secret prisons
Haditha killings + others
Katrina aftermath + response
FEMA, EPA, other agencies undermined
UN Wiretapping
Boeing/White House staffer conflict of interest
Intel/Rove conflict of interest
Halliburton, KBR and others/Cheney conflict of interest, no-competition bids, astronomical overcharging, lack of documentation, bribes, dealing with Iran, misleading accounting
Tom DeLay corruption
Jack Abramoff corruption
Bush AWOL in Vietnam
New Hampshire election phone attack
This is a partial list actually barely scratching the surface. These guys operate with impunity to serve their own interests.
Katrina aftermath + response roflmao surely you dont believe the bush admin. is solely responsible do ya? LA had teh funds to repair levees LONG before1 bush was in power or 2 katrina happened
1) FEMA was Clinton's pet project, so when Bush got office he effectively gutted it. It was weakened and lost its budget.
2) Agriculture and hospitality depend on undocumented immigrants, who pay more in taxes than they take out (for social security, unemployment, or healthcare, for example). The US has a huge double standard here, which is why Bush is pro-immigration reform. He may be dumb but he's not stupid.
3) plenty of liberals believe in gun ownership, however restrictions on guns for criminal/mental health reasons is a good idea. No one is going to take your guns away from you, you gun freak.
4) A modern or future civil war in the US would be utter tragedy and basically the end of the American dream. It would be our death. Its fun to say "fock the cons/libs" but in reality, we are 95% the same are we not? That is a scary scenario that could someday happen, and most likely be started by hatemongering types coming to power or gaining undue influence... same as in the Balkans, Rwanda, or the first Civil war.
good point night good point, see i consider myself as a conservative, ( used to be a republican,) but hell politics has gotten to the point where i cannot trust a damned single one of tehm, which scares teh living hell outta me. voting this next time around, will be a job and a half. imho no one anywhere has done anything remarkeable, clinton essentially gutted teh military, bush built it up, but in process, spent assloads of money, ,,, as i was saying, hmmm, well, consider this a bit naive, but eliminate the party system alltogether, and have each candidate run on his/her own merits, ie what theyve done/hope to do,e tc :thumb:, again, that is flawed as it stands, but could stand somehow, with that minor word ( details)
Quote from: nightrider on May 08, 2007, 05:08:19 PM
1) FEMA was Clinton's pet project, so when Bush got office he effectively gutted it. It was weakened and lost its budget.
2) Agriculture and hospitality depend on undocumented immigrants, who pay more in taxes than they take out (for social security, unemployment, or healthcare, for example). The US has a huge double standard here, which is why Bush is pro-immigration reform. He may be dumb but he's not stupid.
3) plenty of liberals believe in gun ownership, however restrictions on guns for criminal/mental health reasons is a good idea. No one is going to take your guns away from you, you gun freak.
4) A modern or future civil war in the US would be utter tragedy and basically the end of the American dream. It would be our death. Its fun to say "fock the cons/libs" but in reality, we are 95% the same are we not? That is a scary scenario that could someday happen, and most likely be started by hatemongering types coming to power or gaining undue influence... same as in the Balkans, Rwanda, or the first Civil war.
++++1 :thumb: