Ok I really like my GS, it is definitely a cool little bike. But I have a SERIOUS jones for a Ducati...
I just test drove a used '06 Monster 620... with Termi High pipes and ECU... :o
I think I'm in Love...
It was like being on a race car with those pipes on it... man what a killer bike...
I didn't find the 620 to be much different than the GS... It had more power, for sure, but not THAT much more... I was still able to find full throttle without a problem.
What's the price difference between the '06 620 and a 695?
Quote from: RVertigo on May 31, 2007, 01:46:27 PM
I didn't find the 620 to be much different than the GS... It had more power, for sure, but not THAT much more... I was still able to find full throttle without a problem.
What's the price difference between the '06 620 and a 695?
It must be the Termis and the ECU and open airbox(I think and also 14t front sprocket))... I have not ridden another 620 so I can't compare... but that 620 had more cajones than the stock 695 I test drove. At least it seemed to, those pipes are BADASS, literally sounds like you have a corvette underneath you, WOW! Way more than my GS... and I have V&H, rejet, and K&N. I popped the clutch a little and the wheel came up in 2nd. Took me by surprise... The 695 is $7495 list so you figure just over 8 grand out the door. The 620 they have listed as $6900 OTD but that's without negotiating(They're really trying to milk the Termi upgrade that's an $1800 aftermarket). I'm figuring they'd do $6500 OTD easy. If I could afford (OK, well if I wasn't married LOL) I'd do it tomorrow... LOL
They are blowing out brand new '06 S2R 800's as well(just about same price as new 695)... but honestly I don't need the extra power, that 620 was more than enough to get me into trouble... it just wanted to be driven fast. I agree on finding full throttle though, I was able to do that in a couple of the gears. Man what a pisser to ride.
I guess I was ignoring the mods list in your post.
I'm sure that modified 620 would SMOOOOKE a GS in a straight line... The one I rode was dead stock (Well, except for the Pandy Mods). Still fun though... But, it didn't whip around like the GS... Not much does.
the older 620 puts out more hp than the 695 iirc, and with termi and ecu it should hold its own fairly well, my next bike is gonna be a 600 with an r in the name or a liter naked ( I'm really liking the lines on the gt1000 )
Quote from: spcterry on May 31, 2007, 02:55:04 PM
the older 620 puts out more hp than the 695 iirc, and with termi and ecu it should hold its own fairly well, my next bike is gonna be a 600 with an r in the name or a liter naked ( I'm really liking the lines on the gt1000 )
Yeah I've heard the 620 revs quicker and smoother, plus it's geared lower... couple that with the Termis and the ECU and I guess it's not so surprising. Man I am head over heels for that bike LOL, you HAD to hear it, it sounded so badass, deep rumble. Good choice on the GT1000, those are beautiful... I love the Sport 1000 as well. I am smitten by Ducati in general... LOL!
Not to be a negative nancy but those damn 620's smoke GS's, they are also in the lightweight race class and totally dominate and I always get to watch them pass me down the straight :icon_rolleyes:
yeah, what do you expect the 620 put like 68-70 true to the wheel hp thats double a GS. I'd treat a modded 620 a lot like a 600 r bike. it'll kill you if you don't know what the hell yoou're doing. those sportclassics are awesome wait til ya see a video of someone droppin their knee on a track on one :thumb: :thumb:
I dig the monster too, but other than the looks and the ducati name I have yet to convince myself that it's worth that much more than an SV or ninja 650... It is a sexy beast though.
ehhh probably very compaarable but 'ducati' just sounds so much better when someone asks what you ride :laugh:
Plus it asks you:
[Cheesy Italian Accent]"Heya Buddy, you wanta go get a pizza ora maybe somea Spaghetti?"[/Cheesy Italian Accent]
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: just remember you'll never see a fat chick on the back of a Ducati :thumb: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: debtman7 on May 31, 2007, 04:19:00 PM
I dig the monster too, but other than the looks and the ducati name I have yet to convince myself that it's worth that much more than an SV or ninja 650... It is a sexy beast though.
I agree, I do absolutley like the looks and sound better, also I'm really short and the Monsters fit me really well, but bang fer buck the SV650 eats it's lunch thru the S2R 800, engine wise anyway. There are some things you can use to justify the price, ie: Brembo Brakes with braided lines, better suspension, 2 year warranty, slipper clutch(this is cool, cuts down on engine braking no rear wheel lock up AT ALL).
The Ninja 650 is very cool... I would love to buy the black with red frame and street fighter it...
*ahem* S4RS aka one damn sexy streak of color goin down the road :o
Quote from: Johnny5 on May 31, 2007, 02:03:08 PM
They are blowing out brand new '06 S2R 800's as well(just about same price as new 695)... but honestly I don't need the extra power, that 620 was more than enough to get me into trouble... it just wanted to be driven fast. I agree on finding full throttle though, I was able to do that in a couple of the gears. Man what a pisser to ride.
Don't pass on the S2R 800 because you are worried about any extra power. According to the numbers, it doesn't have much more top end horsepower, just more torque down low. I haven't ridden the 620 or 695, but the S2R 800 is an absolute dream. Throttle response is very smooth and linear, and I don't see you getting into any trouble with it coming from the GS.
Moreso than the engine, the biggest difference is the suspension and overall quality of the bike. I would imagine the 620/695 are similar to the 800 in these respects. The 800 is just so smooth through the corners. That and things like steel braided brake lines leading to Brembo brakes are nice additions you won't find on the equivalent Japanese bikes (SV650, Ninja 650, etc.).
The one thing I would look for is peg, foot, and exhaust position. On the 800, the pipes get in the way of how my right foot wants to sit on the peg. Also, all the Monsters have a tendency to drag pegs early until you get up into the S4R's.
Quote from: spcterry on May 31, 2007, 02:55:04 PM
the older 620 puts out more hp than the 695 iirc, and with termi and ecu it should hold its own fairly well, my next bike is gonna be a 600 with an r in the name or a liter naked ( I'm really liking the lines on the gt1000 )
The 620 does NOT put out as much horsepower as the new 695. Not even close. At the wheel, the 620 is putting out roughly 50HP. The Termis and fueling set up would bump that up to 55, roughly.
You say you want a race bike, but then mention the GT1000? The GT1000 is a very upright bike with a fairly mellow liter twin motor. It's an air cooled two valver (the 1000DS engine) and puts down about 85HP to the wheel.
Quote from: coll0412 on May 31, 2007, 03:13:42 PM
Not to be a negative nancy but those damn 620's smoke GS's, they are also in the lightweight race class and totally dominate and I always get to watch them pass me down the straight :icon_rolleyes:
Yeah, the 620s have at least 10 more HP than the GS, and also weigh a few dozen pounds less.
Quote from: spcterry on May 31, 2007, 03:40:37 PM
yeah, what do you expect the 620 put like 68-70 true to the wheel hp thats double a GS. I'd treat a modded 620 a lot like a 600 r bike. it'll kill you if you don't know what the hell yoou're doing. those sportclassics are awesome wait til ya see a video of someone droppin their knee on a track on one :thumb: :thumb:
No. You're wrong. As mentioned before, the 620 doesn't come near those numbers, not without some SERIOUS work. The engine is EXTREMELY simple. It's an air cooled two valver, just like the GS. The 620 is a comparable starter bike to the EX500 and GS500. It's got a low seat height ideal for beginners, a friendly powerband, and pretty decent suspension.
Quote from: brett on June 01, 2007, 08:20:43 AM
Don't pass on the S2R 800 because you are worried about any extra power. According to the numbers, it doesn't have much more top end horsepower, just more torque down low. I haven't ridden the 620 or 695, but the S2R 800 is an absolute dream. Throttle response is very smooth and linear, and I don't see you getting into any trouble with it coming from the GS.
The S2R is an excellent step up from the GS, as is the 695. However, the S2R has the wicked cool SSSA and the shotgun pipes. The 695 was pretty nice as well, but it felt more comparable with the SV650 (which a lot of people note that the power difference between the GS and SV isn't phenomenal). The 695 is basically a sexier SV with lower bars. Not a bad bike though.
Quote from: brett on June 01, 2007, 08:20:43 AM
Moreso than the engine, the biggest difference is the suspension and overall quality of the bike. I would imagine the 620/695 are similar to the 800 in these respects. The 800 is just so smooth through the corners. That and things like steel braided brake lines leading to Brembo brakes are nice additions you won't find on the equivalent Japanese bikes (SV650, Ninja 650, etc.).
Yeah, when you are comparing just the engines from Ducati to a Japanese bike (i.e. SV to Ninja 650 to 695) it won't tell you everything about the bike. While not fully adjustable, the suspension on the Ducati trumps that of both the SV and EX650 without question. Not only do you get invreted forks, but they are of higher build quality and not nearly as softly sprung as the other brand's cost cutting setups. They are more responsive and give you a better feel of the road without wallowing or flexing like the others are known to.
Alpha, The 620 is listed at 63 HP and the 695 is at 73 HP, stock respectively granted this is measured at the crank, but I think that still drops it down only a couple of HP when measured ath the rear wheel.
Supposedly the 620 revs faster and smoother than the 695 also the gearing is quite a bit taller on the 695 so they will be close stock in the 1/4 mile, I test drove them back to back and the 620 I rode was definitely faster... granted this was a worked 620 vs. a stock 695. The Termis and ECU clearly add some zing to the 620, that bike felt waaaaayyyy more powerful than my GS, not even close... and my GS has a V&H, rejet and K&N.
I'll be test riding the S2R early next week to see how different it is O0... I was VERY impressed with that particular 620 though...
Before this gets to "pissing match level" maybe somebody could explain the range of cc's you can get on a Monster. IE., there is a Monster:
620
695
S2R 800
S4R 999
Etc.
Are there others?
Quote from: Jake D on June 01, 2007, 12:25:15 PM
Before this gets to "pissing match level" maybe somebody could explain the range of cc's you can get on a Monster. IE., there is a Monster:
620
695
S2R 800
S4R 999
Etc.
Are there others?
For the record I wasn't in a pissing match, I hope it didn't come across that way!
Right now Ducati offers quite a few differnt engines for the Monsters... the 620 was actually replaced by the 695, so now in the Monster line you have:
695 - 695cc 73 listed HP (air cooled)
S2R 800 - 803cc 77 listed HP (air cooled)
S2R 1000 - 992cc 95 listed HP (air cooled)
S4R Testastretta 998cc 130 listed HP (Liquid cooled)
S4Rs Testastretta 998cc 130 listed HP (Liquid cooled)
Well... They're all faster than the GS. :dunno_white:
True dat.
I hope it doesn't rain tomorrow! I want to ride so bad!
Quote from: Jake D on June 01, 2007, 01:35:20 PM
True dat.
I hope it doesn't rain tomorrow! I want to ride so bad!
Yeah, crap... I was just about to go out for a ride but we have severe thunder storm warnings :mad:
I do love my GS... but my next bike will be a monster if I truly have my choice. I can't even tell you how freaking much fun I had test driving that 620. I wish I had a clip of the pipes... it was the best sounding bike I have ever heard...
It's been so friggen sunny all damn week... I have a nice sunburn going... It's going to be cloudy this whole weekend... And start raining again next week. :icon_rolleyes:
No time to break in those new tires I guess... :icon_confused:
yeah, i know about the gt1000, I guess I'm kinda lookin out for myself a little, I dont need a little supersport that'll run 140 in 4th, I'm to retarded for that. I need something a little more relaxed and less powerful.
whats your impression of them though, seeing as you work around em now :icon_mrgreen:
Quote from: Johnny5 on June 01, 2007, 11:53:48 AM
Alpha, The 620 is listed at 63 HP and the 695 is at 73 HP, stock respectively granted this is measured at the crank, but I think that still drops it down only a couple of HP when measured ath the rear wheel.
Expect about a 10-15% drop from crank to wheel, depending on the bike. So the 620 would have about 55HP at the wheel and the 695 will have about 65HP.
Quote from: Johnny5 on June 01, 2007, 01:12:35 PM
695 - 695cc 73 listed HP (air cooled)
S2R 800 - 803cc 77 listed HP (air cooled)
S2R 1000 - 992cc 95 listed HP (air cooled)
S4R Testastretta 998cc 130 listed HP (Liquid cooled)
S4Rs Testastretta 998cc 130 listed HP (Liquid cooled)
The 695 is using a new engine. Air cooled, two-valves per cylinder. Very simple, Cheap(er) to get serviced.
The S2R (the 800) is using the old Monster 800 engine. Pretty reliable as far as Ducatis go, as most of their air-cooled two-valvers are.
The S2R1000 is using the 1000DS engine, which is also used in the Sport Classic line, as well as the SuperSport 1000 and the older Multistrada 1000 (which was replaced by the MTS1100).
The S4R used to use the 998 engine, but now has since been replaced by the 999 engine (the base model's 998cc Testastretta).
The S4Rs is an S4R Testastretta with a full Ohlins setup and better brakes. Oh, and the option for a bitchin' pearl white paint with a red stripe.
Quote from: Johnny5 on June 01, 2007, 01:38:51 PM
I do love my GS... but my next bike will be a monster if I truly have my choice. I can't even tell you how freaking much fun I had test driving that 620. I wish I had a clip of the pipes... it was the best sounding bike I have ever heard...
Try listening to a 998 with a full Termignoni system and an open clutch basket. You get to hear the
clang clang clang of the dry clutch and the thrumming roar of the liquid cooled L-twin. It's amazing.
Quote from: spcterry on June 01, 2007, 01:52:37 PM
yeah, i know about the gt1000, I guess I'm kinda lookin out for myself a little, I dont need a little supersport that'll run 140 in 4th, I'm to retarded for that. I need something a little more relaxed and less powerful.
whats your impression of them though, seeing as you work around em now :icon_mrgreen:
Compared to what? The GT1000 is like a bigger GS with better suspension and a more comfortable seat. The seat is cushy, wide, and supportive, and the seating position is similar to the GS's (stock). It has chrome spoke rims that get dirty really easily, as well as a chrome exhaust (or at least shiny silver) that also gets dirty easily. The engine is proven and used in a number of bikes and is noted for its reliability (as most air-cooled Ducati engines are). It's a fairly mildly geared bike, nothing radical, but not geared towards constant touring either. I found it very easy to flat foot, even with the wide seat (but I'm also 5'10 and can flat foot my DRZ with both feet). It's a pretty bike, no doubt, and you get the Ducati name.
Have you looked at the Multistrada 1100?
Quote from: Johnny5 on June 01, 2007, 01:38:51 PMI wish I had a clip of the pipes... it was the best sounding bike I have ever heard...
Well... looky what I found...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw5o1TB9ezI&mode=related&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw5o1TB9ezI&mode=related&search=)
Wow... just wow...
Cool Alpha... You know, though... I have to believe that the 620 with Termi's, ECU and open airbox is running more than 55 HP, into the mid 60's. It didn't feel far off(If at all) from an '00 SV650 I rode a few days ago.... My buddies old Hawk GT was running about 50 HP and felt like a dog compared to this bike... I'm telling you I couldn't believe the ballz on this thing, especially after riding the 695. I thought sure it would be way less powerful.
Dammit, I wish I had the cash. I'd be driving out of there with it tomorrow, LOL...
Quote from: Johnny5 on June 01, 2007, 06:56:20 PM
Cool Alpha... You know, though... I have to believe that the 620 with Termi's, ECU and open airbox is running more than 55 HP, into the mid 60's. It didn't feel far off(If at all) from an '00 SV650 I rode a few days ago.... My buddies old Hawk GT was running about 50 HP and felt like a dog compared to this bike... I'm telling you I couldn't believe the ballz on this thing, especially after riding the 695. I thought sure it would be way less powerful.
Possibly. According to Ducati, an S4R with a full exhaust, ECU, and open airbox will add at most 10HP (or ~8%). That is a pretty impressive gain for a simple mod like that. Also consider that gain is on a 4-valve-per-cylinder liquid cooled liter bike. The 620, with it's smaller and lower tech engine, will not get that sort of bump I don't think. Now, I'm not saying it's not possible, but in my experience I don't think it would be that big of a bump in power.
http://www.reptilesmagazine.com/mcn/model_eval/Ducati_Monster_620ie_2.pdf
According to MCN, 54.3 RWHP and 36.5 lb-ft of torque. Only .7 HP off my estimate. I rock! :) Wet weight of 424lbs.
that still makes it very respectable and a nice all around bike
Dammit. Just bid on this...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=013&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBI%3AIT&viewitem=&item=230138259778&rd=1&rd=1
Bid way low of course so I'll never win, but on the freak chance my $3500 bid gets it I'd be a happy man. Fighting the urge to bid more. So purdy...
Quote from: debtman7 on June 02, 2007, 05:54:59 PM
Dammit. Just bid on this...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=013&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBI%3AIT&viewitem=&item=230138259778&rd=1&rd=1
Bid way low of course so I'll never win, but on the freak chance my $3500 bid gets it I'd be a happy man. Fighting the urge to bid more. So purdy...
Haha, yeah I saw that one... good on ya bro... good luck! That is one clean bike. My next bike WILL be a Ducati... there is just no way around it... LOL. I have been bitten BIG time. I can't even believe how much fun those bikes were to ride... I never felt the same thrill on any of the other bikes I've tested... including the SV650. Can't quite put my finger on it...
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on June 01, 2007, 07:50:42 PM
According to MCN, 54.3 RWHP and 36.5 lb-ft of torque. Only .7 HP off my estimate. I rock! :) Wet weight of 424lbs.
I don't see how that's possible... that number has to be low. 54 HP? That must be on a seriously out of tune bike... I know for a fact that the Hawk I rode was at about 52 HP from dyno runs, and the 620 I rode was WAAAYYYY more powerful than that bike. Granted I'm sure the mods pushed it way up, but how much more? It can't add THAT much...
There is also an article in Cycleworld? maybe... forget where I read it but the stock 620 was faster in the 1/4 mile than the stock 695... granted I'm sure that has mostly to do with gearing... but that 620 is one hell of a fun engine...
Dang it, you guys are making me want to win that bike. NADA is $4200 average retail, KBB is $4700 retail. Comes with hard cases... Past auctions are hard to tell, similar 02's seem to go anywhere from $4000 to $4800. Only 2000 miles on this one though...