i getting a pistol for my 21st next month and im asking about which cartridge would be best. i dont like the .45 bc my wife couldnt hadnle that much recoil. a 9mm is just to weak so ive been dreaming of getting the xd40. had anyone owned an xd or a .40. i would like info b4 i make a final decision. thanks much.
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Your looking at the wrong gun if the recoil on a .45 is too much for her. Try H&K I know a couple of very small framed girls who carry em and don't have a problem with the recoil. God I love that SF edition model 23.....If I had the $$ :o :o Haven't reall heard much about the xd, sorry
Actually they are all nice caliber guns to keep around. The 9mm isn't weak, ammunition choosen makes a huge difference. If you use full metal jackets then you are just going to put a hole in things. get a bullet that hits and expands like hydrashocks or something similar and a 9 has plenty of stopping power. .40 and .45 are also good, a good glock .45 is a smooth gun. My friend has a slew of guns two of which are a rugar .40 and a glock .45. The glock kicks less than the rugar, so recoil depends a lot on the gun.
^^^^ yeah pretty much
Hydrashock will put a damn hurtin on :thumb:
.45 auto with Cor-Bon 200grain flying ashtray's :thumb:
I have a 9, but my go-to home defense weapon is either a 38 revolver or a 12 guage 870 pump with 18" barrel. If your anything like me, you'll want more than one. If I were buying a new semi pistol, it would probably be a 40 cal sig, but the Springfield is a great gun. I bought the snub 38 for the wife, but ended up really liking it myself. I've been building AR's lately, and i'm gonna build an AR pistol :o
The bartender at the club I work at carries a H&K .45 with Black Talons her husband got his hands on. She laughs causze I just carry a kel-tec .380 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
first question to ask yourself is what are you going to use it for? If just for HD, a bigger caliber has more knock-down power, but if its a tin-can killer (like all my guns are) its usually cheaper to feed a smaller cal gun. Whatever you buy, training is key, so look at ammo prices too.
I have a Glock 22, .40S&W, and a Bretta 96, also a .40. I love them both. I like the 40, its got good range and knock down power. I dont like the XD, it feels funny when shot. The Glock fits just right in any ones hand and stays nice and level even under rapid fire.
OT: anyone else played with the beretta cx4's????? I love that damn thing in .45 :icon_twisted: I'd take it with a modded clip over a fuckin M-4 anyday :thumb:
i haven't seen the cx4 yet, but i did get to shoot a PS90 (5.7) the other day, it was pretty cool. I've seen 9mm M4's... i wonder how those big pistol cals group at 100 yds?
.45 may be a long recoil, but it's slow... 9mm recoil is fast and snappy... I actually prefer the slow recoil, 'cause (for me) it's easier to nail the target each round... With a 9mm, I tend to be faster, but all over the place. THe .45 may be slower, but I stack the shots mm apart.
Just like a bike a firearm can be tuned to meet your needs, regardless of caliber. A well sprung .45 can drop an entire clip in a 1.5 inch shot group in less time than a stock S&W 9mm can turn out 5 rounds with similar accuracy. If you want a .45 get it and go to an established gunsmith/ have an on-post armorer do it in off time. Just tell them the handling characteristics you want in the weapon, they'll figure out the springs you need. :thumb: :thumb:
Hmmm Maybe look into .50 .454 Casull or a .460 S&W. :thumb: :laugh: :laugh: Really if I got anything it would be a .380 since the Shells are Cheaper than the 9mm or Maybe evn a .357. might Also Look into the Curio Calibers maybe a 7.56x 25 CZ52 It's the Same Caliber as the AK47/SKS 7.56x39 only 14mm shorter Shell.
heh iget a glock 21 or the like, a 45 without much in the way of recoil, and i am a small framed person myself, had no probs with it, . i od have a smith 500 snubby, now that sob has a few issues with recoil, and its extremely loud :o
it all depends. the 9mm is nice gun...they're smooth and cheap and can handle home defense and plinking without a hitch. my 45, though, makes my pee pee a bit bigger everytime I pull the trigger. I didn't like the 40 so I sold it...45 cal noise, 9mm damaged, and expensive to shoot.
I am partial to the Sig S&W .40 cal, Well built and accurate.
my question is why? if you live in that much fear that you need a gun to feel warm and fuzzy perhaps you should move or get therapy :cookoo:
I love the morons who think people get guns because they're scared.
other than hunting, if you are not military or police you don't need one and don't know how to use it safely either. most likely will be turned on you yourself. now now no names :)
The best HD caliber is the biggest you can shoot accurately. (just my opinion mind you)
I've always been partial to Ruger MK II Target version in .22 cal.
Surgical precision and cheap to practice with.
Of the 3 calibers you mention, I would go with the 9. Again, just my opinion for me.
BeSafe.
Quote from: makenzie71 on June 11, 2007, 07:12:07 PM
I love the morons who think people get guns because they're scared.
Yeap Me too. :icon_rolleyes: Guns are tools.They are like Pocket knives they Have Purposes.Of course this Issue will be Debated for all Eternity.
I love my Little MKI Ruger.I bought it off of a Friend a few Years Ago and you couldn't buy it from me for any Amount of Money............ Well I might trade it for one with a 10inch Barrel since mine is only a 6 1/2".I can't count how many Rats I've shot with it. :thumb: Evengot Good enough with it that Could drill a Bullseye at 100ft. :) It looks like someone Drove Nails with it.It is a Little rough but it's Always Been reliable.Except with Federal Ammo and Most of those are Duds.
Paper makes me very angry... Shooting paper makes me feel better. :laugh:
Quote from: frankieG on June 11, 2007, 07:16:54 PM
other than hunting, if you are not military or police you don't need one and don't know how to use it safely either. most likely will be turned on you yourself. now now no names :)
im not military nor police ( full time) and i do have a need ( crime rate) and i DO know how to safely use it thank you sir :thumb:
Quote from: makenzie71 on June 11, 2007, 07:12:07 PM
I love the morons who think people get guns because they're scared.
indeed
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on June 11, 2007, 11:18:48 PM
Quote from: frankieG on June 11, 2007, 07:16:54 PM
other than hunting, if you are not military or police you don't need one and don't know how to use it safely either. most likely will be turned on you yourself. now now no names :)
im not military nor police ( full time) and i do have a need ( crime rate) and i DO know how to safely use it thank you sir :thumb:
The same here Yama, I wasn't going to replycause I thought that it was such a :bs: comment that deserved to be ignored.
QuotePaper makes me very angry... Shooting paper makes me feel better.
The same here, it makes me so angry that I shoot the whole piece & not just the centre of the circles. O0
You ever notice that when women spring for the "Body" target, they always aim a little lower.... :icon_confused:
We use the traditional "bullseye" targets at the range I go to & our tradional targets are mostly animal shaped metallic silhouettes.
Shooting clubs aren't allowed to use "human" shaped targets. :cookoo:
BTW the largest calibre pistol your allowed to have is .38/9mm, unless you have a black powder pistol, then you can have a larger cal.
aye bubba, i replied cause i could not, NOT reply, it seemed as though the post in question was filled with ( insert word here), i am well trained in teh use of firearms, and train, recert 4 times a year, guns still scare teh f%$k out of me, but i do know how to use them, and if need be, can use them :thumb:
Thats fine yama, I find that comments like that are usually made by people who have NFI and as my pappy always said ' never get into an argument with an idiot cause they'll drag you down to their level & beat you with experience' or something like that. :thumb:
Quote from: frankieG on June 11, 2007, 07:16:54 PM
other than hunting, if you are not military or police you don't need one and don't know how to use it safely either. most likely will be turned on you yourself. now now no names :)
Douchebag
FOR ALL OF US AMERICANS (NO OFFENSE TO ALL YOU OTHER GUYS) WE NEED TO REMEMBER WHY OUR GOVERNMENT LETS US HAVE GUNS, OR THE ORIGNAL INTEND ANY WAY; IT WAS TO KEEP THE GOVERNMENT IN CHECK. THIS MIGHT SEEM WEIRD, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT NAZI GERMANY, HITLER HAD FORCED GUN REGESTRATION AND THEN TOOK ALL THE GUNS FROM THE PEOPLE. WITH NO GUNS, THERE WAS LITTLE THE PEOPLE COULD DO. IM NOT SAYING THAT IM GOING TO HAVE TO FIGHT THE GOVERNMENT ANY TIME SOON, HELL, I WORK FOR 'EM, BUT THATS THE REASON WE HAVE THEM. I DONT CARY A GUN TO MAKE MYSELF FEEL BETTER, OR BADASS, I HAVE THEM BECAUSE ITS MY RIGHT AND A GOOD ONE AT THAT! IF SOMEONE ELSE HAS A GUN AND I DONT, IM SCREWED, HAVING ONE EVENS THE ODDS JUST A LITTLE. I HOPE I NEVER HAVE TO USE ONE FOR SELF DEFENSE OUT SIDE OF THE MILITARY, BUT IF I NEED TO, IVE GOT ONE. AND AS FOR THE CALIBER OF THE WEAPON, THERE IS A REASON THAT THE COPS USE A .40S&W, ITS GOT DECENT RANGE, DOSNT OVER PENETRATE LIKE A 9MM, AND IS FAIRLY CHEEP. READ "THE ARMED CITIZEN" IN THE AMERICAN RIFELMAN SOME TIME, THERE ARE DOZENS OF STORYS WHERE SOME ONE HAS SHOT AN INTRUDER MULTIPLE TIMES WITH A 9MM, AND HE RAN A FEW BLLOCKS DOWN THE STREET BEFORE COLAPSING! I WANT HIM DEAD WHEN I PULL THE TRIGGER. REMEMBER, AIM FOR CENTER MASS, YOULL HIT SOMTHING IMPORTANT! HEAD SHOTS LOOK COOL IN MOVIES, BUT IN REALITY, THEY ARENT PRACTICAL. MY UNCLE IS EX-MARINE AND AN EX-STATE PATROLE, HE NOW TEACHES SWAT TEAMS AND SPECIAL FORCES FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND HE SWEARS BY HIS .40, AND SEEING AS HOW HES USED HIS ON SEVERAL OCASIONS :2guns:, ILL TAKE HIS WORD FOR IT!
I wondered how long it would take a person to say guns are ridiculous. I do not agree but please keep your anti gun stuff to yourself, everyone has different views and that is why so many random gun question threads have gon to the farm.
Awwww.......that's so cute!!!!!!! a mechanic would say aim DCM. reclass. now. 11b. and ask the first DS you see what he thinks about aiming DCM for close range. He'll tell you to learn how to shoot.
it would be mostly a plinking round but also home defence. and i'll jump on the bandwagon by saying screw those who try to fight the 2nd amendment. i can/have/will use guns. one i'm an 11b, two my neighborhood has had more breakins than i have fingers since ive been back from iraq 6 months ago. i just want something better than the .22 and bolt action .410 i have. my wife will get her own weapon later. proolly a .38
I figured you were alerbaugh, I was talkin to afi1.
If you want a hell of a defense weapon: .45lc Taurus and colt make em. 6 shot. I don't care who ya are, it'll stop ya. I've seen highspeed video of a round entering the top of a horses neck and decapitating it.
i dunno I'm partial to H&K or a 1911. Nothing like the feeling of power when you whip that monster out :icon_twisted: :2guns: :2guns:
Goin back soon??? The way I figure it I should be there november at the latest. Just depends on what/if i reclass, when I re-enlist. I'm dense I'm volunteering to go back over. I had it to easy only goin once in 4 years :icon_rolleyes:
What would be wrong with a .357 magnum wheel gun.
I've been doing research into what to buy as well. While I have no direct experience (LEO or military) I have been asking lots of questions. My father (who was a Navy corpsman assigned to a Marine CAP platoon in Vietnam) and his buddies have recommended the basic M1911 .45. I haven't gotten around to renting one to fire yet so I don't know if that's overkill in my situation or not. I know a lot depends on what type of rounds you're using, FMJ vs hollow-point. I have fired a Beretta 92FS that felt comfortable and handled well, put shots right where I was aiming. Even my tiny 5'6" girlfriend was comfortable with it.
For home defense I've heard from a number of people that what you really want is a nice pump action shotgun. Everyone knows that sound, less chance of missing.
-James
/Feel free to disregard anything I say as I really have no idea what I'm talking about.
//But this has been a very useful thread to me.
normal velocity rounds from a full sized Colt or any of the various steel framed clones of the venerable model 1911 are not really hard to control at all plus the single stack Mag of a standard framed colt is easy to get a grip on for smaller hand's. If such a weapon is your choice and your wife has small hands I would suggest a Wilson Combat beavertail grip safety. It does a great job preventing hammer and slide bite and the fatter engagement surface on the backstrap will insure a more postive engagement for a smaller persons hand's.
My personal concealed choice is an officers (3.5" compact version), 1991A1 with a full length recoii spring guide rod, wilsons beavertail grip safety, and extended slide release with a 2.5lb trigger pull on a wilsons comnbat trigger with adjustable over travel and tuned to .032" take. Oh yeah tritum 3 dot sights as well its had the feed ramp polished and throated and the ejection port enlarged. I have fed it 200 grain cor-bons without a single feed jam or stove pipe in over 35,000 rounds that includes throwing together all sorts of mismatched ammo in the mag. That load on the small frame weapon is a brute to fire all day long so something like that would not be what I recommend if the wife needs to use it since she won't want to practice after the first time she tries a few mags and has sore wrists.
Nothing wrong with Home Defence with a .22 or a .410.I have both and figure anybody that can get past my .22's and then my .410 is going to wind up in the ER after I get thru pounding on them. :laugh: :laugh: They are really going to have to be really "Cranked" up to get past the .22.The .410 is Pretty much going to do more Damage than a .45 at close range.If they get thru my Pounding with my Fists and a USMC Ka-Bar then I figure they're Superman and I'll let Dad at them with the .357 and then the .30-30. :laugh: :laugh:
Ka-Bar!!!! I love mine!! Razor edged, tougher than hell. Bring it on :icon_twisted:
I just bought mine off of my Brother.He needed $20 for Gas Money. :thumb: I haven't gotten to play with mine yet.
I guess the Last of this will go next to my Carb Jerking Post in the Taken out of Context Post. :laugh: :laugh:
Use just a arkansas stone. the diamond shaZam! just doesn't work on that hefty of a blade. I found old tranny fluid makes a good sharpening fluid :thumb: took about an hour to take the stock edge to razor sharp :icon_twisted:
aye ive got 2 of teh kabars, 1 i bought at teh ft campbell px, the other at a local pawnshop love-em
MY OTHER UNCLE IS AN 11B AND HAS HAD 6 COMBAT DEPLOYMENTS, BEEN SHOT TWICE, HIT BY 3 IED'S AND HAS A BRONZ STAR WITH A V. HE ALSO CARRIES A GLOCK 22.
Ranger joes outside the ft. benning main gate :thumb: damn trusty knife......trust it a hell of a lot more than my kel-tec or my FEG. gaurunteed to never jam :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
afi1- stay on topic if your gonna try to reply to someone and cut the fuckin caps. My point was simply that at close range you should be able to execute a head shot 99% of the time. If not, you need to train on your weapon and improve your shooting.
I have a friend with a clustered bronze star. He ran 4 deployments in 5 years and spent a total of 6 months home in those 5 years before he was medical'd out due to a serious knee injury. When he came back home he temporarily worked delivering pizzas. On a delivery one night two gentlemen attempted to rob him. They both had firearms aimed at him. He shot both in the head. twice. They fell to the ground still holding their weapons. If he hadn't made headshots he would have sustained serious injury. But he was well trained and reacted properly. Sidenote: he was fired for carrying a weapon. He's with Blackwater now making over 1k a day and has been in theatre for almost a year. (yup he;s got over 1/4 of a mil waiting for him when he gets home :o )
Guns are bad.
They need too much cleaning after each use.
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I should go target shooting again... I haven't been in about 10 years or so.
You should try shooting black powder, then you'll winge about cleaning them. :2guns:
I own a 92FS and a Colt 1991, both are great firearms but I'm way more accurate and consistant with the 9MM, I always have been too. After 2000+ rounds through both , I'd say that I'm 30% more accurate and 20% quicker with the Beretta in a rapid fire situation (15 rounds in 10 seconds). My take on pistol firepower is this, you can have an 18 inch cannon mounted to your wrist, that doesn't mean duck if you can't put the round where it's needed, buy what you can shoot well. Rent as many firearms as you need for you to figure out which one fits best. The XD40 is a great weapon, a decent amount more kick than the 92FS, but not terrible. Also worth checking out, the Browning HiPower... beautiful.
Jughead, earlier in the thread you mentioned wanting a Ruger MK I with a 10 inch barrel. I had a MK II with the 10 inch bull barrel. It was very accurate from a bench but was a bit hard to shoot well off hand.
I also had a 6 inch bull barrel with the target trigger. That one I hunted squirrels with. I could consistently get head shots with it.
Very balanced and smooth trigger.
The new MK III's have a redesigned magazine eject button. Up by the trigger instead of down at the butt.
BeSafe.
Quote from: spcterry on June 12, 2007, 07:56:39 PM
Ranger joes outside the ft. benning main gate :thumb: damn trusty knife......trust it a hell of a lot more than my kel-tec or my FEG. gaurunteed to never jam :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
afi1- stay on topic if your gonna try to reply to someone and cut the f%$kin caps. My point was simply that at close range you should be able to execute a head shot 99% of the time. If not, you need to train on your weapon and improve your shooting.
I have a friend with a clustered bronze star. He ran 4 deployments in 5 years and spent a total of 6 months home in those 5 years before he was medical'd out due to a serious knee injury. When he came back home he temporarily worked delivering pizzas. On a delivery one night two gentlemen attempted to rob him. They both had firearms aimed at him. He shot both in the head. twice. They fell to the ground still holding their weapons. If he hadn't made headshots he would have sustained serious injury. But he was well trained and reacted properly. Sidenote: he was fired for carrying a weapon. He's with Blackwater now making over 1k a day and has been in theatre for almost a year. (yup he;s got over 1/4 of a mil waiting for him when he gets home :o )
dayamn terry, four shots in very short order, THAT would have been somethign to see
My feeling is its not the caliber, its the platform.
I have all three calibers now, and they all have their uses. They also "act" differently. The .45 and for the most part .40 have more of a "pushing" recoil. The 9mm is much more "snappier".
The best advise I can give is shoot them all, and different weapons in each. A beretta 92 in 9mm is going to feel much different from a kel tec p11 also in 9mm. My wife now shoots my 1911 .45 with no problem and actually likes it better than her Glock 9mm. If your wife is recoil sensitive, double the hearing protection. Most recoil sensitive people are actually reacting to the sound, not the recoil.
ill keep that in mind. once we went to rent and shoot matching glocks...only thing was mine was a .45 and hers was a nine. she went off to the bathroom when i picked up her nine. she came back and unknowingly picked up my .45...first shot she dropped it. it was funny but i know i should have warned her.
Quote from: PuddleJumper on June 12, 2007, 11:40:16 PM
Jughead, earlier in the thread you mentioned wanting a Ruger MK I with a 10 inch barrel. I had a MK II with the 10 inch bull barrel. It was very accurate from a bench but was a bit hard to shoot well off hand.
I also had a 6 inch bull barrel with the target trigger. That one I hunted squirrels with. I could consistently get head shots with it.
Very balanced and smooth trigger.
The new MK III's have a redesigned magazine eject button. Up by the trigger instead of down at the butt.
BeSafe.
I've saw the MKIII and Plan on getting one one of these days.I really like the Fluted Barrel. :) My next one will be stainless though.
I'd like to try some squirrel Gravy. :cheers:
pics!
have never owned a gun, but im looking forward to going to a range soon :icon_mrgreen:
seems there is much more gun ownership/gun culture in the south, or in rural areas, where its more a part of life or something to do for fun. In the suburbs or in decent city neighborhoods it doesnt really seem necessary, having a gun is more like overkill/a bad idea. Violent crime here is not a huge problem.
I went on a bicycle ride once with my apartment manager at the time, an ex bouncer from texas who I had citizen-arrested a car prowler with a few weeks before. During our ride he mentioned he was packing a revolver. I was like dude, are you f'ing crazy? nothing is going to happen to us. he was being way paranoid, we had more chance of getting a shark bite than having a reason to use it. on the other hand, if we were walking at night in south central la it might be a good idea. nothing wrong with owning, but most non recreational gun owners are erring far on the side of caution, I think.
Quote from: nightrider on June 14, 2007, 08:46:37 AM
pics!
have never owned a gun, but im looking forward to going to a range soon :icon_mrgreen:
seems there is much more gun ownership/gun culture in the south, or in rural areas, where its more a part of life or something to do for fun. In the suburbs or in decent city neighborhoods it doesnt really seem necessary, having a gun is more like overkill/a bad idea. Violent crime here is not a huge problem.
I went on a bicycle ride once with my apartment manager at the time, an ex bouncer from texas who I had citizen-arrested a car prowler with a few weeks before. During our ride he mentioned he was packing a revolver. I was like dude, are you f'ing crazy? nothing is going to happen to us. he was being way paranoid, we had more chance of getting a shark bite than having a reason to use it. on the other hand, if we were walking at night in south central la it might be a good idea. nothing wrong with owning, but most non recreational gun owners are erring far on the side of caution, I think.
Yeap Around Here it's not Natural to not Drink and Shoot.Doing it Sober and Somebody might get Hurt. :laugh: :laugh:
Well I would say that around here there isn't much violent crime but looking back over tha past year i really want a gun....
i know a guy who has a .44 magnum. ya know, the "dirty harry" style gun? 15 inches from tip of the barrel to the end of the grip. it's a massive weapon. feels like it weighs 15 lbs. prolly doesn't. he says he keeps it loaded with 600 grain. says it's his emercency weapon when he's hunting. claims it will drop a grizzly. hmm... dunno how much of what he's told me is true. except i have seen the gun and the ammo. WTF would u want something that big for? something like that for HD, you don't need to load it....just flash it and any person who values their life will run.
(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/4939/deagle197dy.jpg)
This is exactly one of the guns my friend has, and it weighs a ton and kicks like a mule :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Just imagine the kick on the other side of it :icon_twisted:
Desert Eagles are worthless. Saying you have a .50 caliber handgun is pretty fun bags though.
Yeah it is a show peice, he rarely shoots it. He pretty much got it so he couls say he had it. It also cost a fortune to shoot....
Once you get used to the recoil are they fairly accurate? I only put a single clip through one (.50AE) so I don't have much experience, but I was all over the map, then again, all you need is one hit to drop whatever you're shooting at, so I guess it does the trick... as long as there are no bystanders.
yeah, his is really acurate. I was hitting beer cans at 50 yards no problem. Mind you the beer cans came from the night before. Problem is that the thing is so heavy that after about 3 clips you arm needs a break :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
ya wanna put a hole in something????accurately??? go to florida. You can buy M82 barrett's. true .50cal accurate within 1.5 inches to 1000 meters :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted:
There is a guy around here that has one and shoots it at the range regularly. I don't really know him but I have shot it before. Expected it to kick a lot but it didn't, it was pretty smooth and split the bolder that I was shooting at in half, all 5 times I shot. The guy laughed and said that I should teach fractions :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
PS: range is only 400 ft long so hitting anything with a rifle is a easy as pie if you know how to aim.
Yeah, everyone is surprised when they shoot a true .50 rifle. the M2 kicks a little more but not like you would think for a fully automatic .50.............I love the barrett, I went wild boar hunting with one. I made a headshot at 700m and it obliterated the head :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted:
Sadly not allowed firearms over here very easily, and they are a pain to upkeep- regular visits from firearms officers checking how your guns are stored, renewing license's regularly. It really is a pain. However spending half my life on my girlfriends farm we have a few shotguns around which i shoot from time to time. We go clay pigeon shooting regularly and pest control, rabbits and rats etc...
I recently had the chance to shoot the farm owners new browning cynergy over under. I can honestly say ive never seen such a beautiful gun that was so light and easy to use. I've shot alot of shotguns and find them to be tiresome to be honest, fun shooting but not fantastic skill involved unless shooting game and they really wear you down swinging heavy guns that kick a fair bit when shot. However the cynergy was a dream to shoot, it has interchangable rubber recoil pads on the stock and it weighs so little. Fantastic gun and if any of you are in to clay pigeon shooting or hunting with a shotgun i would definatly suggest it.
Im really eager to shoot some different types of guns now really. All i've shot is shotguns and .22 airrifles but nothing like a handgun or proper rifle. Would be great to experience shooting those and to find out if they are easier/less tiresome than shotgun shooting.
Quote from: spcterry on June 14, 2007, 02:49:06 PM
Yeah, everyone is surprised when they shoot a true .50 rifle. the M2 kicks a little more but not like you would think for a fully automatic .50.............I love the barrett, I went wild boar hunting with one. I made a headshot at 700m and it obliterated the head :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted:
yeah the other really fun gun i shot was an ozzy that a guy i used to work with had. No kick what so ever but you get the fully automatic push up real good :laugh: :laugh:
We went dear huntin once with a M2...... :o :o :o Not the best idea if you actually want something to take home :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Kasumi on June 14, 2007, 03:28:05 PM
Sadly not allowed firearms over here very easily, and they are a pain to upkeep- regular visits from firearms officers checking how your guns are stored, renewing license's regularly. It really is a pain. However spending half my life on my girlfriends farm we have a few shotguns around which i shoot from time to time. We go clay pigeon shooting regularly and pest control, rabbits and rats etc...
I recently had the chance to shoot the farm owners new browning cynergy over under. I can honestly say ive never seen such a beautiful gun that was so light and easy to use. I've shot alot of shotguns and find them to be tiresome to be honest, fun shooting but not fantastic skill involved unless shooting game and they really wear you down swinging heavy guns that kick a fair bit when shot. However the cynergy was a dream to shoot, it has interchangable rubber recoil pads on the stock and it weighs so little. Fantastic gun and if any of you are in to clay pigeon shooting or hunting with a shotgun i would definatly suggest it.
Im really eager to shoot some different types of guns now really. All i've shot is shotguns and .22 airrifles but nothing like a handgun or proper rifle. Would be great to experience shooting those and to find out if they are easier/less tiresome than shotgun shooting.
The firearms laws are stricter there than they are here & they're a PITA here. I enjoy my shooting too much, so it's a matter of putting up with the rules & regulations to keep my guns. :2guns: Plus I want my boys to be able to take up shooting when they get old enough to do it legally.
Well i just want to feel as thought i can own a gun, go shoot regularly without the constant worry of if people saw you with a gun case, how to transport your gun safly, putting up with the go knows how many security checks yearly to keep your guns and relicensing yourself regularly to own them. Its just such a hassel.
It's nice and a little disconcerting when you walk around with a sidearm and most people dont even flinch. Thats why mostly I carry concealed.
The only thing i think is counterproductive is with lots of people over there carrying concealed or unconcealed i think it far reduces the intended affect of carrying a firearm. It seems that criminals are far less likely to be affected by a firearm been pulled on them over there than they are here. If you get ARV (armed response) called on you over here. You will drop any damn weapon your holding because if any police officer pulls a gun on you over here its far far more likely your going to be shot than if a police officer pulled a gun on you in America. We use guns far less and they are impossible to carry with you, therefore the affect of a firearm on a criminal is a huge deterant as they are only called on very serious occasions.
One benefit is a very small percentage of the people carrying are trained in any way so their ability to execute a shot for effect is very limited.
if u want a fun uh...gun to shoot, look up the MK19. to bad it has to be mounted but if you hit ur target u wont take anything home from it but maybe a skin fragment or some guts. i had to qualify on a m107 in iraq and with a .50 you dont even have to hit ur target, just get within a few inches and the sonic waves will tear off a limb.
Quote from: alerbaugh on June 15, 2007, 10:21:17 AMjust get within a few inches and the sonic waves will tear off a limb.
I'm thinking not so much man. There's no mass backing up the sonic wave, a supersonic burst might blow out your eardrum, and a jet engine wake might f%$k your world up if you drive behind it, but even 100,000 pounds of force (from a jet engine) hitting you for the length of time a bullet shockwave does, isn't going to do a damn thing to you, let alone shear off a limb.
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i was acting as spotter for my section leader and his m107. our target was walking so we adjusted for his speed and as we fired the guy stopped. i saw where the round landed behind him. it ripped off part of his arm and spun him around. he bleed out b4 we got to him. if you hit a guy it'll just blow him into 2 or 3 pieces and a mist.
Not at 2800fps. The round had to have hit him, obviously not DCM, but it at least grazed him. At 2800fps the round even barely brushing the contact could transfer enough energy to tear a limb off but it would have to contact the target. The new brit .50 that's still in testing could possibly create enough of a shockwave but I think even that wouldn't be moving fast enough at 4000fps. Personally my caliber of choice for sniper or automatic is 7.62 it's a damn effective round with 1000m accuracy in the appropriate weapon ( I'm a sucker for a 240 though :2guns: the fuckin 249 just pisses me off with constant barrel changes :flipoff: )
the 249 is great but the 240 is an auto snipper rifle. the thing is very accurate and reliable. i think the 7.62-54 is a better cartridge though.
when i was in the army i was wearing my gun gloves and it was raining like hell. the gloves got caught between the trigger and the guard...once i managed to get it out of there it had cooked off and warped the barrel :o
the inherent flaw of the 249 is that it has no ccoling system :cry: :cry: The 240 does.........I've never come close to killin a 240, I've melted 3 barrels for a 249.........sooooo, in my opinion it is a POS.
7.62 is a very versatile round with consistant and predictable flight path. The 5.56 is slower and affected more by environment. Never had a 7.62 platform jam on me either.............My old issue M16A4 couldn't fuckin tuern out 60 rounds without jamming at least 5 times...... I dont have much time on my M4.
i'll agree with the 249 are shaZam!. ive seen a spent case stuck behind the bolt several times. no idea how it gets there but it does. i have had trouble with a 240. in basic during the last day of FTX my platoon was opfor in the mount village. we shot our 240 with so many blanks it quit. it may have helped it we had a spare barrel for it but not in basic. oh and one good thing about the 249...the barrel is bullet proof. my gunner was on foot and got shot in the back but the barrel stopped the round. got lucky bc it wouldnt have hit his plate.
Whoever did your weavpons training should have warned you: 240 does not like blanks!!! Gas builds up and clogs everything :o :o Damn good luck for your gunner :thumb: Probably AK fire.......POS the russians should have stayed with making vodka and never dabbled in assault rifles :flipoff:
i disagree the 5.56 is faster than the 7.62, speed and rate of fire
In fps the 5.56 is minimally faster ( maybe 200fps ) Show me a 5.56 platform that can run 650 rpm consistantly without overheating. You can run 2000 rd drums through a 240 all day without changing the barrel..... I forget but spec barrel change out for a 249 under constant load is about 2000 rds WTF it is officially a POS More proof that 7.62 is a superior round??? How bout there's never been a true sniper platform in 5.56 and there have been multiple in 7.62. 5.56 is great for the masses ( Infantry ) because it is fairly reliable and fairly accurate to a point. It is also considerably cheaper to manufacture :thumb: :thumb: I'm not saying 5.56 is a bad round it just needs to stay in it's place with semi-short range multi-purpose assault rifles and not be branched into full auto or sniping platforms....... I swear to god if the army adopts a 5.56 sniper rifle I will join the f%$king marines :mad:
i was designated marksman with my m4. never had a problem with it unless we used that worthless brit ammo we have in the states but the US ammo downrange never failed me. all they did was give me a 4x scope with an m16 upper reciever.
I'm big, so I generally get stuck on the tail with the real power :icon_twisted: I never fired my M4 over there :o The brit ammo is shaZam!, but the cheap US stuff isn't a lot better :cry: at least not the FMJ's. God I can't wait to re-enlist. As soon as these pins are out....... :mad: :mad: I think I'm gonna go 19D. Still a decent sized bonus and one more good MOS for the SF App. ( Just for record: 96B20, 11B4A currently)
Hey Spcterry.
Is it the AK that is so bad, or the 7.62x39 round itself.
I picked up a Saiga rifle in 7.62 a couple of year ago. It's made in Russia at one of the AK factories.
I think the action is actually an AK 103 series action. 16 inch barrel and a sport stock. 10 round mag.
It's surprisingly accurate for a short barrel, and so far not a single jamb.
Mind you, I'm not talking military work here, just something to have as a all around utility rifle.
Thanks.
PJ
Little bit of both. 7.62x39 is a decent round. Not anywhere near the 7.62x54 but it is allright. As long as you keep it very clean and well lubed it will do almost anything you want. They aren't bad rifles, and they can be a lot of fun. Overall, good for utility :thumb: and good value :thumb: From a military standpoint, 5.56 is easier to manufacture and ironsight accurate about 100m farther than the 7.62x39. You should be able to 3 inch shot group at 200m once you're used to the weapon and have your sights adjusted. Past that the trajectory of the round is rather erratic, but up to that it is fairly accurate ( mind you the average 5.56 round out of an M4/M16 is ironsight accurate to 350m for a 3 inch shotgroup even with a mediocre marksman.) I had a friend who bought an SKS ( also fires 7.62x39) and after stripping and cleaning the weapon thoroughly we started on the basics of shooting. 250rds later he was consistantly hitting ( 9 out of 10) a 5 inch target.
I would actually reccomend one of those rifles ( AK/SKS or derivative ) for a utility rifle ( home defense/ sport shooting/ pest control) based off of the low price of FMJ ammo and availability of it. Also the russian assault rifles are fairly simple to strip down and maintain :thumb: :thumb:
Have fun and always make sure your chamber is clear, they have a tendancy to unexpectadly discharge if your trigger spring is getting old :icon_rolleyes:
It's a new rifle, so I don't think I'll have a weak spring problem just yet.
The firing mechanism is not standard AK either. It's been redesigned to work with a sport stock. ( no pistol grip ) The trigger is farther back from a standard AK.
Out of the box I could plaster soda cans at 50 paces all day.
I've yet to take it and fine tune the sights. I need to do that and see just how accurate this thing can be.
Thanks for the input, and I'll quit hijacking this thread. :thumb:
BeSafe
PJ
Tuning your sights is easy.....you can probably download an appropriate target online....they are about the size of a sheet of paper and have a kinda torso pictured on them inside of regular targeting lines. Find out how to adjust your rifle ( google for a handbook ) and print a couple of targets out. 25 m is sufficient and drop 3 rd groups aiming at DCM of the torso on the pic. Don't even look for where the round hits until you have the shot group fired.once you fire the group go asses where the rounds land. at that distance there should be no more than 1 inch between any of them. If you dont have a good group focus on making sure you have a good stable point from which to fire. Then focus on breathing and follow through. breathing: the army recommends pulling the trigger at the natural pause between inhale and exhale. Trigger pull and follow through: If it's comfortable use only the very tip of your finger and don't release the trigger until the expelled brass hits the ground.
If ya have any other questions and concerns post away :thumb: :thumb: I'm always happy to help :thumb:
EDIT: check this link about 2/3 the way down for the target I was talking about ( first one I found googling it )
http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/m16a2/zero-and-m16a2-rifle.shtml
two words guys....
POTATO CANNON
nobody's gonna mess with you when they are lookin' down the barrel of a 3 inch spud-gun.
Quote from: vtlion on June 18, 2007, 05:02:23 AM
two words guys....
POTATO CANNON
nobody's gonna mess with you when they are lookin' down the barrel of a 3 inch spud-gun.
Or a 2 1/2" Tater Gun with Acetylene. :laugh: It may Only be a 2 1/2" Bore but the Barrel is 8 Feet Long. :laugh: :laugh: I put a Hole thru a 3/4" Sheet of Plywood at over 50Ft. :thumb:
Quote from: vtlion on June 18, 2007, 05:02:23 AM
two words guys....
POTATO CANNON
nobody's gonna mess with you when they are lookin' down the barrel of a 3 inch spud-gun.
3 words. Ready here they come...
Barret BMG .50
For when it absolutely positively has to be dead in the next 5 seconds.
:thumb: :thumb: but actually its :
" when it absolutely positively must be dead from a 1/2 mile away" :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted:
Isn't that a little short range for a round capable of punching through reinforced concrete at 2 miles :dunno_white:
Not a BMG .50 :cookoo: The round will travel that far but not accurately :icon_confused: 1000m is the standard
Phased Plasma Rifle In The 40 Watt Range
FTW!!!!!! :2guns:
Ehhhh....stick me behind a Ma Duece and everything is good :icon_twisted: True .50, 600-700 rpm, yeah that can ruin your day and the entire rest of your neighborhood's too................inside of a minute :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted:
point target for the .50 is 1500 meters but id still rather have my good ol' mk19
Gotta love that beast :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted: No better way to wipe out an entire crowd :laugh: :laugh: But I'll stick with my baby 240 it's heavier than f%$k but I trust it :thumb: :thumb:
You're at bragg...... At stewart they fire 1000 meter for the .50 :dunno_white:
my qualification for the 107 in iraq was to shoot fire extinguishers out to 1500 meters. at bragg we have ranges where we can fire a tow out to nearly 4000 meters. you forget im on the biggest base around. i was looking last night at some .50 info while on staff duty. max effective area target is 1800 meters. i know i cant hit anyone at 2400 meters bc i tried and the round becomes sporadic after 1600m. that my be far but i also shaved my tips to improve accuracy.
Yeah bragg has all the good shaZam! :flipoff: :flipoff: :flipoff: I was giving a qoute for point target not area... 1600m is about a mile.....thats some serious f%$king stop power. Whatthefuck did you do in Iraq??? We didn't get any practice fire when we were in combat :icon_confused: :icon_confused: HAHA staff duty HAHA thats why i like the guard, we don't do all that BS we just train up and deploy then go back home :thumb:
i want this :o (http://www.armalite.com/shared/images/ar-50_nick2.JPG)
bolt action....not what I'd want in a 50 :nono:
hope you have a strong collar bone for that. we went to the range all the time in iraq. ur supposed to qual in kuwait but we did every month, plus zeroed our peq-4s 203s everything.
Ugghhh......we were slightly busy :laugh: :laugh: Running 12 hour patrols :icon_confused: and clearing houses :icon_confused: :icon_confused:
God I can just imagine the kick on a bolt action .50 :o :o :o
Quote from: spcterry on June 21, 2007, 05:45:55 PM
Ugghhh......we were slightly busy :laugh: :laugh: Running 12 hour patrols :icon_confused: and clearing houses :icon_confused: :icon_confused:
God I can just imagine the kick on a bolt action .50 :o :o :o
Have you shot the Barret? The damn thing weighs 80lbs the muzzle brake is surprisingly effective and with the bipod shooting prone its not much worse than a 12 gauge.
indeed, im in a position to get one of these, its called an ar50 :icon_twisted:
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on June 21, 2007, 09:30:55 PM
indeed, im in a position to get one of these, its called an ar50 :icon_twisted:
Nice :thumb: Can I look you up if I ever get to Tennessee? I'll pay for the ammo. I was at a long range event (1000yards) at a gun club several years ago, Another shooter was there with the .50 and all I can say is wowwwwwwwww that was fun to shoot.
I think I'll stick with my .54 cal :2guns:
muzzle loaders dont count :nono:...sorry to bust ur bubble
neither do dildos for true intercourse, but some say wth and go for it :thumb:
Whatthegoddamnfuck?????
Quote from: alerbaugh on June 24, 2007, 09:17:13 AM
muzzle loaders dont count :nono:...sorry to bust ur bubble
What have you got against ML's
Some your countries most important wars were fought with muzzle loaders, plus they're an absolute hoot :thumb:
i prefere more bang for the...buck :laugh:
I dunno young people these days, just don't know what fun is.
I have to agree with Bubba on this.
My .50 is a hawkens style.
Tack driving ,shoulder thumping primitive shoulder mounted canon.
And lots of fun to shoot.
I'd hate to be in a war with 20 angry guys charging me though.
Quote from: bubba zanetti on June 26, 2007, 02:01:59 PM
I dunno young people these days, just don't know what fun is.
ive got several muzzleloaders, which i enjoy shooting. my favourite gun atm is my snubby smith500 tho dammit i just realised why my ass is broke all the time. my guns like the pricy ammo
I'm not having a go at what people want to shoot, it's just that I prefer my muzzle loaders.
Even though the majority of my guns are muzzle loaders/BP cartridge, my favourite pistol is my Smith & Wesson .357 revolver. :2guns:
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: There's a .454 at a local pawn shop for $600............. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
I could f%$k some shaZam! up with that :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted:
Smith & Wesson Sigma with 4 clips either the 9mm or the .40 in a case with a " combat light " cool name for a flash light :laugh:. All that for $350. Good deal? If it is I'll probally get the .40.
:o :o :o Yeah that's a pretty good deal :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: I'd buy it
Yeah a friend of mine would sell me his rugar .40 for 300 bucks, I am thinking real hard about it.....
The bartender I used to work with is thinking about selling her H&K .45.......I told I have first dibs if she does :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted:
Thanks for the answer it's actually brand new from Bass Pro Shop :laugh:
One of those BPS megastores???? I love those places!!!!!! :thumb: :thumb:
Yeah they are pretty nice, they have a bit of everything in there.
The Sigma is a great first handgun. Simple enough, functions very well and is quite inexpensive. I'd jump all over that deal.
Anybody ever try the Taurus guns? Such as the millennium pro? or the model 850? model 85? I know they are pretty light and will have some kick, but if I get a big gun I don't think I would want to carry it around with me, and then what's the point in having it.
http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=18&category=Pistol (http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=18&category=Pistol)
http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=294&category=Revolver (http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=294&category=Revolver)
http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=316&category=Revolver (http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=316&category=Revolver)
Can't speak about the compact pistols, but I have owned two different 945 models (large frame, 45ACP). They are reliable for recreational target shooting. I have never really dumped an entire clip to see how they react to the heat. All I can say is that I have never had a misfire with either of mine. I now own a compact glock, so i really don't consider my Taurus much more than a weekend toy.
They also come with a lifetime repair policy, which is cool.
OK:
1: http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=or
good info on there
2: If you want something small and easy to carry check out Kel-Tec they make some great compact lightweights. They don't have a safety but the trigger pull is fairly deliberate.
Quote from: spcterry on August 10, 2007, 11:51:59 AM
OK:
1: http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=or
good info on there
2: If you want something small and easy to carry check out Kel-Tec they make some great compact lightweights. They don't have a safety but the trigger pull is fairly deliberate.
i really want something with a safety and taurus seemed to be one of the few that uses a manual safety.