so... I posted on here awhile ago... I was pissy and just let ole girl sit for awhile, then got a hair up my *** and decided to pull the motor apart and find out wtf happened...
well... I heard this nasty clanking after coming back from a ride... I thought for sure it was in the head...
but strapping it to the truck, and letting my buddy take a listen definatly brought the sound down, so I knew it was something to do with the crank...
now that I've got it apart, the first piston I took off, I noticed the problem...
the left c-rod came loose... so loose I can rock it back and forth... how lame...
the only thing I can think of was the 101 octane I put in it like 2 months ago... 3 tanks later and I have issues...
I wouldn't reccomend it... even tho it made her scream... it unfortunatly did damage...
any reccomendations now that I have it apart?
should I replace everything? or just the bearing/ have the crank turned... I just moved and money is tight, and would like to keep this as cheap as possible... anyone in the area that would mind making a new riding buddy in exchange for some guidence on the rebuild, and free beer?
here's where I stand...
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Keep going, you're still going to need to inspect the crank journal under that c-rod.
yeah so tell me how too high an octane rating will damage your engine. I'm sure you mentioned it, but I just can't find it.
I just cant see 101 octane hurtin the GS :dunno_white: damn engine is just more durable than that.......Now stabilized jet fuel on the other hand :o
yeah, high octain didn't do that, it was just bad luck.
Maybe if you used high octane fuel instead of oil....
Pretty much the only major cause of failure in the GS motor is lack of oil.
Might as well split the cases and check all the bearings.
Quote from: dgyver on June 14, 2007, 03:21:49 PM
Maybe if you used high octane fuel instead of oil....
:laugh: :laugh:
I dunno... with only 11k... and I didn't have problems till I used the high octane stuff... and turns out both the c-rods have play... one worse than the other...
I mean... bad luck or not... usually there is a reason... oil, careless rebuild, whatever... and I can't really find one, cept for that...
Quote from: spcterry on June 14, 2007, 03:03:04 PM
I just cant see 101 octane hurtin the GS :dunno_white: damn engine is just more durable than that.......Now stabilized jet fuel on the other hand :o
Considering jet fuel is just diesel or kerosene, it could do some damage, and wouldn't be any fun to run.
with the appropriate compression and timing JP-x could be used in a diluted form and would produce insane numbers but reliability would be severely compromised. in a stock setup it wouldn't ignite.....be like water in your gas :icon_confused: you'd probably need to figure out something other than the stock spark plugs too..........hmmmmmmm ;) I might have an idea for my totalled GS :icon_twisted:
depends on what you jet fuel you get .. you can get TTL100 and it is fine. you can run that in your car ... or in my case i use to run it in my dirtbike ........ it all depends on what you get ..
I got a buddy who works in fuels at the AFB :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted: so lets say theoretically military grade shaZam! :dunno_white:
dude i run 130 at the track and 10k miles later i don't have any problems. that provably from you winding it out like a Buddha Loves You and thinking that the 101 oct fuel is going to keep it together.
don't blame it for your recklessness
Quote from: spcterry on June 14, 2007, 04:42:19 PM
I got a buddy who works in fuels at the AFB :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted: so lets say theoretically military grade shaZam! :dunno_white:
jp-8 = kerosene
Quote from: Nikolas on June 14, 2007, 04:56:14 PM
Quote from: spcterry on June 14, 2007, 04:42:19 PM
I got a buddy who works in fuels at the AFB :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted: so lets say theoretically military grade shaZam! :dunno_white:
jp-8 = kerosene
pretty much... yea.
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on an interesting note, while trying to find my threadjacked gif i stumbled across this (which isn't work/children safe)
edit...nah i took it out cuz it was borderline pornography but it I nearly shaZam! when i saw it.
In the US
100LL is standard aviation fuel for piston engine aircraft
Jet A is extremly high grade kerosene
JP-8 is a high grade diesel thats' had the sulfer removed
I was an aviation line service technician and pilot until I injured
myself.I pulled a muscle in my stomach and give myself a
hernia.Now I can't return to work because I lost My FAA
Airmens Medical Certificate.The doc says that my strength
has been compromised and I couldn't fight the controls of
an out of control aircraft long enough to recover the flight.
Sucks!I really miss the money.Sorry.Didn't mean to go into my
life story.
I've got 26 hours up :thumb: It's a blast :icon_twisted: I need to start booking hours again it's been a few months....... I'm trying to hold off until my uncle gets his instructor rating :thumb:
Quote from: spcterry on June 14, 2007, 08:59:49 PM
I've got 26 hours up :thumb: It's a blast :icon_twisted: I need to start booking hours again it's been a few months....... I'm trying to hold off until my uncle gets his instructor rating :thumb:
Fly on my friend,fly on.Find and fly with a military pilot from nam era.I did.
Learned to recover from almost anything.I also learned to fly inverted in a
Cessna 152 without ripping the wings off.The tower didn't like that when
we done it over center field.They claim we were encouraging other pilots
to fly dangerously. :laugh:
ACM and Line man here and i to need to work on my hours i am right at 30
You guys know a lot of stuff.
Yeah, Nam era pilots are bad-ass :icon_twisted: One taught my uncle through about 90 hours. He gets bitched at all the time for making low-passes of the runway before landing :icon_twisted: ( I'm talking like 2-3 feet at 150mph+ ) I get bitched at because I like to take my time recovering from stalls :icon_twisted: So much more fun coming level at a few hundred feet rather than 1500-2000. Gives the instructor a good wakeup :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: spcterry on June 14, 2007, 09:19:42 PM
Yeah, Nam era pilots are bad-ass :icon_twisted: One taught my uncle through about 90 hours. He gets bitched at all the time for making low-passes of the runway before landing :icon_twisted: ( I'm talking like 2-3 feet at 150mph+ ) I get bitched at because I like to take my time recovering from stalls :icon_twisted: So much more fun coming level at a few hundred feet rather than 1500-2000. Gives the instructor a good wakeup :laugh: :laugh:
YEP! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I got to hit the controls of a t-38 once ( My mom was dating a training squadron commander, seems you can get away with shaZam! if you have birds sittin on your shoulder) :o :o Nothing quite like 550mph :icon_twisted: Military pilots are pansy these days though, they rely to much on their equipment and pay absolutely no attention to survival classes :mad:
whats the code of the cfi "flying is many hours of boredome interrupted with moments of shear terror" :thumb:
Wow, lots of pilots/student pilots here, cool! I have my commercial single engine land and sea and I'm working on my CFI right now. I fly skydivers most weekends to help build the hours.
The only thing about jumpers is that they don't really give a sh*t about the airplane (since they're planing on jumping out anyways) So you need to know when to say no and walk away from a messed up plane.
Once when I was decending at about 165 MPH the door rattled open, ripped off, and smacked into the tail, beding it about 30 degrees :o
That was my scariest moment.
I've got over 30, but I'm grounded for the next 5 months for injuries I sustained landing out in a glider. It's torture... but it could've been much worse...
Quote from: ducati_nolan on June 14, 2007, 11:39:39 PM
Wow, lots of pilots/student pilots here, cool! I have my commercial single engine land and sea and I'm working on my CFI right now. I fly skydivers most weekends to help build the hours.
The only thing about jumpers is that they don't really give a sh*t about the airplane (since they're planing on jumping out anyways) So you need to know when to say no and walk away from a messed up plane.
Once when I was decending at about 165 MPH the door rattled open, ripped off, and smacked into the tail, beding it about 30 degrees :o
That was my scariest moment.
I'd would've jumped out then.Emergency landings can be fun,if you know you'll survive. :laugh: I'm an adrenaline junky. :cookoo:
I'da been gone........right out the door :o :o
Quote from: rangerbrown on June 14, 2007, 04:45:39 PM
dude i run 130 at the track and 10k miles later i don't have any problems. that provably from you winding it out like a Buddha Loves You and thinking that the 101 oct fuel is going to keep it together.
don't blame it for your recklessness
like taking it to 9 grand every once in a while is reckless... wait... no you are right... yes... actually I would just sit in my driveway and redline it cuzz I liked the high pitched whine...
the name-calling is helping alot too... keep it up :flipoff:
You gotta work to f%$k the GS engine up. I've taken it to 12k several times and consistantly run it at 9k for extended runs. Never flinched :thumb: :thumb: The only way I know of to kill a GS is run it dry of oil :o
You gotta work to f%$k the GS engine up. I've taken it to 12k several times and consistantly run it at 9k for extended runs. Never flinched The only way I know of to kill a GS is run it dry of oil
diito....ive taught people to ride on my bike....they have wound it up to as high as she wiil go and still held together. Just face it dude you forgot to put oil in it.. I know the gs like to drink it. and if you had a leak that would make it worse. dont blame it onthe octane.
ohhh. and since we are talking about flight stories.. .one time i clipped a turkey on a short runway take off. :o yea that was great.... :cry:
Quote from: drkslayer on June 15, 2007, 02:49:42 PM
Quote from: rangerbrown on June 14, 2007, 04:45:39 PM
dude i run 130 at the track and 10k miles later i don't have any problems. that provably from you winding it out like a Buddha Loves You and thinking that the 101 oct fuel is going to keep it together.
don't blame it for your recklessness
like taking it to 9 grand every once in a while is reckless... wait... no you are right... yes... actually I would just sit in my driveway and redline it cuzz I liked the high pitched whine...
the name-calling is helping alot too... keep it up :flipoff:
what ever dude, i got 30k on my 2004 and i flog the shaZam! out of it. so what ever
Biggest noob comment ever, tuner cars in general, and people who think they're going to make their Hyundai Elantra a rocket ship...
"Octane" is a rating, combining several factors, that determines a fuels resistance to pre-ignition. So, unless your vehicle REQUIRES high-octane fuel, or you're using it as a band-aid for other problems in older vehicles, the only way it's going to make your vehicle faster is by weight reduction in your wallet...
If it existed, you could put 3,000,000,000 octane in the GS500, and the only thing that would have bought you is the assurance the engine will never, ever, knock...
Octane does not mean "more energy". (well, it does to a certain point, but, the differences are so minute, you wouldn't be able to notice them...)
Anyway, that is all...
Quote from: Gookie on June 16, 2007, 05:02:16 AM
If it existed, you could put 3,000,000,000 octane in the GS500, and the only thing that would have bought you is the assurance the engine will never, ever, knock...
Or ignite, in our weak ass, low compression, weak spark ignition system.. :laugh:
but dude it was like supper fast and now its not it had to be the fuel
A turkey???? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I had to pull up fast once because a f%$king deer ran out in the middle of the runway as I was coming in to land :o :laugh: :laugh:
easy there maverick watch that air speed, stalls are no fun at low alt
hittin a deer at 80 isn't much fun either :o :o
yea we used to have to buzz the runway back in pa and look for eyes late at night b4 landing.. trying to avoid those damn deer
luckly i have not had to worry about that, only tring to land a C150 at 80mph... o yea need to pull out a little bit of power and wala down she comes
so... I have the 2 1/2 quarts of black oil I drained out of the bike when it started making the noise... this is 800 miles after I had it serviced, tires, brakes, timing chain adjust, tuneup, and supposave oil change...
everyone (the assfucks included hehehe) claim it was oil, and not the fuel... can I go after them, or just suck it up? I just moved to buff, ny... and I had the bike serviced in seattle before I moved...
is there a "rebuild kit" that I can buy, or should I inspect each piece individually and go piece by piece?
black oil.....nice... :thumb: are you sure they just didnt polish off the oil filter and give the bike back to you without changing the oil. I know shops that do that stuff. Thats why i always change my own.
2.5qts? Doesn't the GS use close to 4 or 5?
Quote from: NiceGuysFinishLast on June 20, 2007, 07:54:21 AM
2.5qts? Doesn't the GS use close to 4 or 5?
Mine held 3 qts with filter change.
3.1 with filter change for gs500 owner manual
Get a Haynes or Claymers manual it will explain how to do a rebuild ( at leat I think it will does in my other Haynes's )
Buy the parts you need don't think they really make a rebuild kit but I know they sell all the gaskets in a set. Just follow the book and rebuild your engine.
And guys does it really matter why his engine is f%&ked? He's looking for advice on how to fix it.
Quote from: drkslayer on June 18, 2007, 02:39:12 AM
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is there a "rebuild kit" that I can buy, or should I inspect each piece individually and go piece by piece?
No rebuild kits except for aftermarket gasket kits. Partsnmore.com and ebay are the best source for them.
Piece by piece is the only way to go.