http://youtube.com/watch?v=PpOxMDE0acE&mode=related&search=
I would have shot the f%$king driver of the car.......this is why I dont carry when i ride anymore
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it's making me twitch just thinking about it :mad: :mad: I think I need to leave the gun at home when I go to Atlanta this weekend :mad:
You don't have to shoot them........................stab'em instead ! Mwha hah ha! :icon_twisted:
Quote from: NiceGuysFinishLast on June 29, 2007, 12:09:17 AM
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+1, but everytime I see that I wonder how the f%$k the lady driving the car did that......
The driver was a guy,the rider btw was a girl ,she wrote the whole story on the internet somewhere.... :dunno_white:
thats right, i can never remember which is which, i knew a guy and a woman were involved though.
Think it was Bay Area Riders where she posted it. If I remember right Pablo know's her.
Oh yeah..I don't even need to watch the video to know which one this is.... makes me wanna helmet cam. :mad:
Makes me want a .454 :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
I especially love the ending where the guy driving the car claimed that he was just braking and he didn't know why she lost control. Gee maybe it's because you spun out and she ran into you?
This is one of those situations that makes you realize that while it's almost always impossible to avoid an accident, your instincts rarely tell you to do the right thing and you have to make snap judgements that may not work out. If you look at it in retrospect, if she'd swerved left (assuming a clear lane over there) she could have avoided him. Instinct tells you to move away from what's coming at you though.
But from what I can tell, and it's hard to say really, but I think she could have avoided him or barely tapped him with some better braking. If you watch it closely it really doesn't look like she's on the brakes much at all. It looks like she basically got off the throttle, slowed down slightly and tried to steer towards the gap on the right. If you watch as she's moving to the right, it doesn't look like she's slowing down much at all by then, at least not anywhere near as fast as I would expect any motorcycle to be able to slow. Really hard to tell from a video, but to me it looks like if she had done a textbook emergency stop she might have chalked this one up as a close call rather than an ER trip.
looks like a accident pure and simple to me. you guys talking about guns is the one thing that bothers me about this forum, a bunch of small man complexes i would say.
Franki,
Your blind. It is quite obvious the driver of the car was f%$king around trying to be cool in front of a bike. And he almost killed someone in the process. The rider. That is the kind of retard scum that doesn't deserve to live. And down here in good ol boy land you would be hard pressed to find a jury who would convict if the rider had shot and killed the driver when he approached ' I didn't know what the hell he was doing, I figured he had tried to kill me once now he was coming to finish the job'
SPCTerry-
Down here in Caleeeforn-i-a, we call it like we see it too...that driver is an idiot, sure. Granted, that is a pretty whack thing to have happen so quickly (car go sideways and slide to a stop right in front of you), but I agree, I think she could have done a better job slowing down and leaving a gap.
You post like you need some anger management classes.
I do, honestly..........
Quote from: debtman7 on June 29, 2007, 09:06:19 AM
I especially love the ending where the guy driving the car claimed that he was just braking and he didn't know why she lost control. Gee maybe it's because you spun out and she ran into you?
This is one of those situations that makes you realize that while it's almost always impossible to avoid an accident, your instincts rarely tell you to do the right thing and you have to make snap judgements that may not work out. If you look at it in retrospect, if she'd swerved left (assuming a clear lane over there) she could have avoided him. Instinct tells you to move away from what's coming at you though.
But from what I can tell, and it's hard to say really, but I think she could have avoided him or barely tapped him with some better braking. If you watch it closely it really doesn't look like she's on the brakes much at all. It looks like she basically got off the throttle, slowed down slightly and tried to steer towards the gap on the right. If you watch as she's moving to the right, it doesn't look like she's slowing down much at all by then, at least not anywhere near as fast as I would expect any motorcycle to be able to slow. Really hard to tell from a video, but to me it looks like if she had done a textbook emergency stop she might have chalked this one up as a close call rather than an ER trip.
This has been covered. The girl is a racer, (wera? I think?), believe me, her judgement and braking skills are 10x better than anything you or I possess. We can sit back and watch the video and critique her riding all we want.. but in the end, SHE was there, SHE made the decision SHE thought was best, and SHE took the spill.
i would have found out where he lives and slash his tires. wait a few days for him to get new ones, then do it again and again and again to make sure he could drive anymore.
Quote from: NiceGuysFinishLast on June 29, 2007, 10:49:50 AM
This has been covered. The girl is a racer, (wera? I think?), believe me, her judgement and braking skills are 10x better than anything you or I possess. We can sit back and watch the video and critique her riding all we want.. but in the end, SHE was there, SHE made the decision SHE thought was best, and SHE took the spill.
Being a racer doesn't mean your accident avoidance skills are top notch. I'm not saying they aren't, hard to tell from a video. But I've watched it again and again and it honestly looks to me like she was not braking at full capacity. I'm not being critical, in the same situation I probably would have just frozen up and ridden straight into the car at full speed. The point I'm getting at is that based on what I see in the video, that accident looked like it was avoidable. It may or may not have actually been. But it's important to keep in mind that your instinctual reactions are often very wrong and you can't expect to always make the right call. It's the sort of thing that makes me nervous about accidents, while most can be avoided, there really is no way to train yourself to make the right call when the time comes, even though in hindsight it seems pretty obvious...
Here's her homepage, which has a TLC segment on it complete with an interview and more info.
http://smoothcurvesracing.com/home.php
Based on what she said, sounds like indeed she chose to swerve rather than brake. She also said that once she realized she couldn't get around him, she pulled her leg up to avoid having it crushed and took her hands off the bars. That explains why it looked like she wasn't braking much as she got close to him.
Like I said I find this stuff scary, a lot of accidents could be avoided if you react properly, but how the heck do you train yourself to react properly for a situation like this?
Quote from: debtman7 on June 29, 2007, 11:07:07 AM
But I've watched it again and again and it honestly looks to me like she was not braking at full capacity.
you never want to brake and swerve at the same time. she tried to swerve and try to squeeze by the silver car and the idiots bumper.
The driver of the car was an idiot. He wasn't paying attention, the car in front of him stopped, and he locked it up and turned the wheel. Of course, when you lock up the wheel, the steering doesn't do crap. However, when he let off the brakes, he swerved in front of her. Idiotic, but not criminal until they make stupidity a crime.
Quote from: CndnMax on June 29, 2007, 01:20:40 PM
you never want to brake and swerve at the same time. she tried to swerve and try to squeeze by the silver car and the idiots bumper.
Yeah, I know that. What I'm trying to get at here is that this is the sort of video that's a great thing to look at and learn from. Clearly what she chose to do didn't work, not trying to criticize at all since you react with instinct in such a situation, but it's a good thing to look and figure out what would work.
One of the things Hughes covers in Proficient Motorcycling is that in almost all situations where someone is invading your right of way, your best bet is to brake rather than swerve. This video illustrates that. Any time some car is going to come into your lane, swerving has a great chance of not working. You could try to swerve behind them, only to have them see you and stop causing you to swerve right into them. Or you could try to swerve and get ahead of them, only to have them speed up to try and get out of your way. The point is that other cars are unpredictable and you can't make a calculated decision about where you should swerve. You basically end up relying on luck and hoping you pick the right option.
This applies to the situation in this video. She chose to swerve. She picked a direction. She swerved right into the car. Now if you look at what would have worked, I see braking as the better option. What I tell myself is if I were to find myself in this situation, what would I do? The first thing is, when I see the car lock up the brakes, I'm going to hit the brakes. At a minimum I'm going to scrub off 10 mph quickly. At this point you don't know if the car is going to invade your lane or not, but the prudent thing to do is assume it will and get on the brakes. She mentions on her website that when the car locked up it's wheels, she just watched it to see what it would do before choosing her action, and that by the time she saw it moving into her lane it was too late to do anything. That I see as a big mistake. Rather than wait to see what the car is going to do, I would immediately slow down and assume it was going to come straight at me. Once it started coming into my lane, I'm then going to be on the brakes 100%.
I'm almost positive that this course of action would have avoided the accident. Now it does run the risk of getting rear ended, that's something to consider. However, hitting the other car is going to make you immediately stop and run the risk of getting run over by traffic, so I don't think maximum braking puts you in any more danger. I would much rather risk getting rear ended than risk hitting another car and then getting run over.
That's just my analysis of it. Again, I'm not trying to say she's not a good rider, I'm just looking at this as a learning opportunity and a chance to train my brain as to what would be an appropriate way to react in such a situation.
yeah your instincts kick in instantly- you can only hope u picked the right thing to do. i've heard a lot on the braking vs swerving argument, you can swerve faster then you can brake but braking reduces ur speed by a lot. although i would of probably hit the brakes to.
Traction is a commodity if you are using a portion of your traction to swerve then you have less available to brake. I wasn't there so I can't say what I would have done. She has the TLC segment and an in depth explanation of her thinking on her website. I think she may be a little full of herself though.