http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/06/070625-dna-resurrection.html
That would be amazing if scientists could do that, especially because they found yet another preserved mammoth encased in ice. (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/07/070711-mammoth-picture.html (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/07/070711-mammoth-picture.html))
There is a moral debate about it though- would you like to see this done?
I personally would. And I want a Jurassic Park. And a pet Raptor. With robot claws. And maybe a mechanical jaw that could open cans and bottles.
Wasn't there a movie about that? Yeah.......Jurassic Park
Didn't end well that one :laugh:
Seriously, it would be cool to see a live mammoth :o
If we have a moral obligation to try to preserve a certain species that sucks to bad to survive on its own, such as the California Condor, then I think we have a moral obligation to bring back a species if we have the ability to do so.
Yeah, would be cool... But we really shouldn't F#$K with nature. Like, whatever happens when Hitler gets resurrected... Limit exists somewhere...
Quote from: groff22 on July 16, 2007, 11:49:36 AM
Yeah, would be cool... But we really shouldn't F#$K with nature. Like, whatever happens when Hitler gets resurrected... Limit exists somewhere...
i agree if it is dead leave it dead
I don't think they'd make it very long these days... Too damn hot and not enough grasslands... They'd have to engineer them to have less fur and be smaller...
Oh wait... That's called an elephant. :dunno_white:
Gosh that would be kinda like.....oh I don't know....EVOLUTION :thumb:
I'm all for genetic engineering... Especially gene therapy...
Just think about it... If they could modify your DNA, re-inject it, and actually have it replicate with the new code.... They could cure ugly and stupid. :icon_mrgreen:
Quote from: groff22 on July 16, 2007, 11:49:36 AM
Yeah, would be cool... But we really shouldn't F#$K with nature. Like, whatever happens when Hitler gets resurrected... Limit exists somewhere...
This post scores a perfect 100 on the "retarded statement scale".
A) You can't resurect Hitler. You might be able to clone him.
B) Assume he was cloned: Would he be recognized as THE Hitler in 40 years when he was old enough to lead, or a man that looked like him?
C) Would he have as much political influence? Remember, he wasn't magic, or the anti-Christ, or a demon. He was a very pursasive public speaker.
D) Would any government in existance today tolerate his rise to power and agressive conquests of other nations?
E) The Nazi party isn't what it used to be, and aside from some prison gangs (whose scientific knowledge is limited to making alcohol out of some oranges and a space heater) and pretty much is no longer a threat to society (unless your La Ounda or BGA).
That fact that somebody read this point and thought, "Hmmm. . . good point", makes me ashamed to be a member of this message board.
Quote from: RVertigo on July 16, 2007, 12:57:32 PM
I'm all for genetic engineering... Especially gene therapy...
Just think about it... If they could modify your DNA, re-inject it, and actually have it replicate with the new code.... They could cure ugly and stupid. :icon_mrgreen:
Do ya think they could help you out with retard and douchebag??????? :laugh:
WHAT?! They're planning on resurrecting Hitler? :o :o :o
:laugh:
LOL
JakeD, Ok... Resurrect, clone, whatever, you get the idea. No? Ok, sorry. Look at title the of thread ... Hitler was a moral example of someone/something bad that should probably stay 6ft under. If he comes back, he'd probably be behind glass in a lab somewhere.
Anyway, plants/animals go extinct daily... becoming nothing more than DNA sample. While it's good to keep, I question morals of bringing something back for science of show vs. necessity ...
Now a Tetradactyl, that would be sweeet ride ... sure use one of those for when my GS is in the shop.
Cheers,
J
Quote from: spcterry on July 16, 2007, 01:11:33 PMDo ya think they could help you out with retard and douchebag??????? :laugh:
Well, if they're fixing ugly and stupid, might as well get the delux package!
"That fact that somebody read this point and thought, "Hmmm. . . good point", makes me ashamed to be a member of this message board"
great then piss off
Quote from: groff22 on July 16, 2007, 01:32:23 PM
LOL
JakeD, Ok... Resurrect, clone, whatever, you get the idea. No? Ok, sorry. Look at title the of thread ... Hitler was a moral example of someone/something bad that should probably stay 6ft under. If he comes back, he'd probably be behind glass in a lab somewhere.
Anyway, plants/animals go extinct daily... becoming nothing more than DNA sample. While it's good to keep, I question morals of bringing something back for science of show vs. necessity ...
Now a Tetradactyl, that would be sweeet ride ... sure use one of those for when my GS is in the shop.
Cheers,
J
I understood your point. I think we all agree that cloning humans would be morally wrong, or at least questionable. The purpose of cloning a human must be questioned as well, but I don't see the why it would matter who was cloned. But for what purpose. I think that is what is important to ask.
Why is clonign Hitler more wrong than cloning Ghandi? Would be cloning Hitler to take out more Jewish people, or revive a long since dead Nazi party? Would the existance of a mini-Hitler make either one of things easier or more likely?
Another example would maybe be Anton Levay? You think the satanists are looking to get some DNA together, maybe clone their dark lord? Oh but they don't have the technology but if they did, what is the point?
would the "resurrected species" be able to survive in todays climate?, things were different then, several global warming and cooling cycles and all O0
Quote from: frankieG on July 16, 2007, 02:42:08 PM
"That fact that somebody read this point and thought, "Hmmm. . . good point", makes me ashamed to be a member of this message board"
great then piss off
Ha ha ha!!! You were like, "Hey, I resemble that remark!" I just heard that the Russians are trying to clone Stalin!!! :laugh: Oh NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
i;m more worried of a bush/cheney clone
Quote from: frankieG on July 16, 2007, 03:10:29 PM
i;m more worried of a bush/cheney clone
I certainly agree with that. Thankfully, W's natural DNA was only able to produce drunken college chicks, so the Bush family reign of death is nearly at an end.
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on July 16, 2007, 03:02:06 PM
would the "resurrected species" be able to survive in todays climate?, things were different then, several global warming and cooling cycles and all O0
Althoug the the temperature differences in our perspective are very sever, the temperature differences in relation to some of the massive heating and cooling cycles our planet has gone through are very meager. Many Geologists currently believe we are still currently in the 'ice age' that Wooly mammoths are commonly believed to exist in. Sorry, there goes my geology student side again :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on July 16, 2007, 03:02:06 PM
would the "resurrected species" be able to survive in todays climate?, things were different then, several global warming and cooling cycles and all O0
We need more air conditioning to battle global warming !
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They could totally live in Canada, Mammoths, that is. Or even stepps of Russian. Stalin could be a resurected mammoth herder.
Quote from: Jake D on July 16, 2007, 03:16:01 PM
Quote from: frankieG on July 16, 2007, 03:10:29 PM
i;m more worried of a bush/cheney clone
I certainly agree with that. Thankfully, W's natural DNA was only able to produce drunken college chicks, so the Bush family reign of death is nearly at an end.
cloning politicians of any affiliation should be puinishable by i dunno, something less than fun
Quote from: Jake D on July 16, 2007, 03:27:31 PM
They could totally live in Canada, Mammoths, that is. Or even stepps of Russian. Stalin could be a resurected mammoth herder.
actually i thought frankie wanted to be their herder :flipoff: :laugh:
Quote from: Jake D on July 16, 2007, 03:27:31 PM
They could totally live in Canada, Mammoths, that is. Or even stepps of Russian. Stalin could be a resurected mammoth herder.
Ehhh, he'd just kill em off again the first time he stepped in mammoth shaZam!. :laugh:
Quote from: Jake D on July 16, 2007, 01:04:02 PM
Quote from: groff22 on July 16, 2007, 11:49:36 AM
Yeah, would be cool... But we really shouldn't F#$K with nature. Like, whatever happens when Hitler gets resurrected... Limit exists somewhere...
This post scores a perfect 100 on the "retarded statement scale".
A) You can't resurect Hitler. You might be able to clone him.
B) Assume he was cloned: Would he be recognized as THE Hitler in 40 years when he was old enough to lead, or a man that looked like him?
C) Would he have as much political influence? Remember, he wasn't magic, or the anti-Christ, or a demon. He was a very pursasive public speaker.
D) Would any government in existance today tolerate his rise to power and agressive conquests of other nations?
E) The Nazi party isn't what it used to be, and aside from some prison gangs (whose scientific knowledge is limited to making alcohol out of some oranges and a space heater) and pretty much is no longer a threat to society (unless your La Ounda or BGA).
That fact that somebody read this point and thought, "Hmmm. . . good point", makes me ashamed to be a member of this message board.
You neglected to mention that it was also a "slippery slope" argument, which is fallacious. Each "step" on the "slippery slope" is a separate thing which must be considered and debated. Just because one thing happens doesn't necessitate that they all happen.
By groff's logic we should just let him die if he has a massive coronary that modern non-natural medicine can save you from. Or what about if you are diagnosed with severe diabetes only correctable by insulin injections, those aren't natural. Or what about if you're diagnosed with cancer, and it's been caught early, should we just watch as you deteriorate knowing that it would have been possible to save your life.
I listened to a professor specialises in things like cloning and such (I'm sure there's a name for it) & his rule for whether an animal should be cloned & their species resurrected or not, is the influence that humans had on their demise. If a species became extinct due to human interference,then we should do all we can to ressurect them, but if a species dies out from natural reasons then so be it.
If you do clone Hitler, would he still have the thoughts & views as the original model, or would the clone be like a blank piece of paper for thoughts & views. Cause you might be able to clone Hitler & have him as a spokesperson for Jewish rights, just like Mel Brooks or Sammi Davis Jnr. :thumb: Or he could just be a douchebag & post crap on some motorcycle forum.
I'm all for bringing one back. There are so many questions we could answer from a living specimen about their diets and what not...not really their social behavior or anything but still. Same with dinosaurs...especially the late cretaceous badasses. No it wouldn't be Jurassic Park because it would require something more than a complete idiot to pull it off. What kind of genius builds a facility full of the deadliest creatures to ever the world see and makes it so that, in the event of a problem that allows all of these creatures to roam freely, you would have to run 500yds through dense forest and open land just to turn the power back on? Absolutely moronic.
my concern is who would over see this? us? the politicians...i say that being one. honestly we could screw up most anything not by our own doing but by committee :oops:
Quote from: bubba zanetti
I listened to a professor specialises in things like cloning and such (I'm sure there's a name for it) & his rule for whether an animal should be cloned & their species resurrected or not, is the influence that humans had on their demise. If a species became extinct due to human interference,then we should do all we can to ressurect them, but if a species dies out from natural reasons then so be it.
Isn't his "rule" a little self-canceling? Mankind was a natural plague upon this world. We didn't come from outer space after evolving on another world capable of adequately dealing with our existence...Mother Nature allowed us to happen. Subsequently, isn't our effect on the environment allowed by Mother Nature?
We are part of our environments and our effect on other life here is just as natural as a giant rock falling from the heavens and killing everything.
Quote from: bubba zanetti on July 16, 2007, 04:01:50 PM
If you do clone Hitler, would he still have the thoughts & views as the original model, or would the clone be like a blank piece of paper for thoughts & views. Cause you might be able to clone Hitler & have him as a spokesperson for Jewish rights, just like Mel Brooks or Sammi Davis Jnr. :thumb: Or he could just be a douchebag & post crap on some motorcycle forum.
This whole retarded Hitler argument has just been a variation of the old nature-vs-nurture argument, but Bubba was the first one to bring that out. Hitler's childhood and young adult experiences are what made him as anti-semetic as he was, I very deeply doubt that he was born with it. I am happy with my beliefs but I also acknowledge that if I had been raised by different people that I likely could have ended up with different beliefs. My political outlook is a result of my experiences, and had I been raised by Rush Limbaugh I expect that I would be running around hating everyone who wasn't white, male, and protestant.
Getting back to The Mammoth, I'm all for bringing one back or creating a new one. I'm sure scientists will learn from it, and as long as we don't end up wasting buttloads of money to try to reintroduce the species I think it would help us understand nature and the past better.
+100000000000
The most beneficial use of this ability would be to create specimens to study so as to learn more about the minute details of our earths history.
mak, i think you stopped considering that argument a little bit too early. yes, mother nature let us evolve to what we are today, but she also let us evolve to the point where we can problem solve and create and cover our unwanted footprints. she even let us evolve to such a level of consiousness that we can debate the morals of our actions. not proving anything, just following your logic.
i personally am on the fence about it. it'd be cool to see, great to study, but why study them? they no longer exist, why do need to study it?
Because man has an inherent thirst for knowledge of every facet of the world around him. This includes the history of the world around him and the plants/animals that existed during said history.
Quote from: ledfingers on July 17, 2007, 01:31:59 AM
mak, i think you stopped considering that argument a little bit too early. yes, mother nature let us evolve to what we are today, but she also let us evolve to the point where we can problem solve and create and cover our unwanted footprints. she even let us evolve to such a level of consiousness that we can debate the morals of our actions. not proving anything, just following your logic.
Nature allowed us to become what we are. Regardless of our intelligence, our effect on our environment is still a product of nature's will.
Quotei personally am on the fence about it. it'd be cool to see, great to study, but why study them? they no longer exist, why do need to study it?
We can learn more about why the specific species' died off and why their evolved decedents changed into what they are.
meh, as long as i don't have to do it it doesn't bother me, and i don't think it really effects me. unless they're putting them in my back yard, which will only be cool on the condition i don't have to pay for them or clean up after them or anything, i just get to ride them and give them treats. and have them step on my crazy neighbor....
Quote from: Unnamed on July 16, 2007, 11:00:04 PM
Quote from: bubba zanetti on July 16, 2007, 04:01:50 PM
If you do clone Hitler, would he still have the thoughts & views as the original model, or would the clone be like a blank piece of paper for thoughts & views. Cause you might be able to clone Hitler & have him as a spokesperson for Jewish rights, just like Mel Brooks or Sammi Davis Jnr. :thumb: Or he could just be a douchebag & post crap on some motorcycle forum.
This whole retarded Hitler argument has just been a variation of the old nature-vs-nurture argument, but Bubba was the first one to bring that out. Hitler's childhood and young adult experiences are what made him as anti-semetic as he was, I very deeply doubt that he was born with it. I am happy with my beliefs but I also acknowledge that if I had been raised by different people that I likely could have ended up with different beliefs. My political outlook is a result of my experiences, and had I been raised by Rush Limbaugh I expect that I would be running around hating everyone who wasn't white, male, and protestant.
You sure about that? Are you saying that we're not born with our political beliefs but that they are . . . gasp. . . learned? This is brilliant. You sure Bubba was the first one to point this out?
I think it is clear that I don't belong in an argument like this. My efforts are wasted.
I would like to get my Dog Cloned. :thumb:
Quote from: RVertigo on July 16, 2007, 12:57:32 PM
I'm all for genetic engineering... Especially gene therapy...
Just think about it... If they could modify your DNA, re-inject it, and actually have it replicate with the new code.... They could cure ugly and stupid. :icon_mrgreen:
I agree that would help alot of the population but some people are really f%$king stupid
Just lock the really stupid ones in a room with Rvery, he belongs there :icon_mrgreen:
Jughead you can have your dog cloned for fee...
Thats all I'm saying on this topic..this is what I planned to spend my life doing but clearly I took a completely different route.. While I could say a lot here...I think my words would be wasted so I won't even bother..
Cloning animals / plants for food would be a great way to end world hunger. As for cloning extint animals I don't see a need. Their time has passed the world has moved on leave them be. Same for dead people. Unless you going to clone Elvis. ( That last part is a joke)
Quote from: blue05twin
Cloning animals / plants for food would be a great way to end world hunger. As for cloning extint animals I don't see a need. Their time has passed the world has moved on leave them be. Same for dead people. Unless you going to clone Elvis. ( That last part is a joke)
You do know that it's not like the movies, right? They take Subject A and put him into a little box, push a button, and Subject A2 pops out of an adjoining box as an exact replica...doesn't happed. A clone has too be born...not going to do anything about world hunger...
Quote from: Jake D on July 17, 2007, 07:53:02 AM
Quote from: Unnamed on July 16, 2007, 11:00:04 PM
Quote from: bubba zanetti on July 16, 2007, 04:01:50 PM
If you do clone Hitler, would he still have the thoughts & views as the original model, or would the clone be like a blank piece of paper for thoughts & views. Cause you might be able to clone Hitler & have him as a spokesperson for Jewish rights, just like Mel Brooks or Sammi Davis Jnr. :thumb: Or he could just be a douchebag & post crap on some motorcycle forum.
This whole retarded Hitler argument has just been a variation of the old nature-vs-nurture argument, but Bubba was the first one to bring that out. Hitler's childhood and young adult experiences are what made him as anti-semetic as he was, I very deeply doubt that he was born with it. I am happy with my beliefs but I also acknowledge that if I had been raised by different people that I likely could have ended up with different beliefs. My political outlook is a result of my experiences, and had I been raised by Rush Limbaugh I expect that I would be running around hating everyone who wasn't white, male, and protestant.
You sure about that? Are you saying that we're not born with our political beliefs but that they are . . . gasp. . . learned? This is brilliant. You sure Bubba was the first one to point this out?
I think it is clear that I don't belong in an argument like this. My efforts are wasted.
I was agreeing with you, @$$hole, and trying to make a more persuasive argument than the clunker you dropped on page 1. Since your approach clearly wasn't going anywhere I tried a different route to the same conclusion.
ehh arguing with a lawyer is a pain in the ass :laugh: no offense jakeD just something ive found out over time :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Unnamed on July 17, 2007, 12:57:40 PM
Quote from: Jake D on July 17, 2007, 07:53:02 AM
Quote from: Unnamed on July 16, 2007, 11:00:04 PM
Quote from: bubba zanetti on July 16, 2007, 04:01:50 PM
If you do clone Hitler, would he still have the thoughts & views as the original model, or would the clone be like a blank piece of paper for thoughts & views. Cause you might be able to clone Hitler & have him as a spokesperson for Jewish rights, just like Mel Brooks or Sammi Davis Jnr. :thumb: Or he could just be a douchebag & post crap on some motorcycle forum.
This whole retarded Hitler argument has just been a variation of the old nature-vs-nurture argument, but Bubba was the first one to bring that out. Hitler's childhood and young adult experiences are what made him as anti-semetic as he was, I very deeply doubt that he was born with it. I am happy with my beliefs but I also acknowledge that if I had been raised by different people that I likely could have ended up with different beliefs. My political outlook is a result of my experiences, and had I been raised by Rush Limbaugh I expect that I would be running around hating everyone who wasn't white, male, and protestant.
You sure about that? Are you saying that we're not born with our political beliefs but that they are . . . gasp. . . learned? This is brilliant. You sure Bubba was the first one to point this out?
I think it is clear that I don't belong in an argument like this. My efforts are wasted.
I was agreeing with you, @$$hole, and trying to make a more persuasive argument than the clunker you dropped on page 1. Since your approach clearly wasn't going anywhere I tried a different route to the same conclusion.
If I thought stating the obvious was needed I would have gotten out my spoons. I guess I never was a real big fan of underestimating people's intelligence.
Yes I say resurrect the woolly mammoth, let dinosaurs roam the earth again. Seriously it's not their fault they were wiped out by an ELE.
Haven't we banked a little DNA back in hopes that if something ever happens to us some one will resurrect our genetic line?
Quote from: Jake D on July 17, 2007, 02:25:06 PM
If I thought stating the obvious was needed I would have gotten out my spoons. I guess I never was a real big fan of underestimating people's intelligence.
You say that after a half dozen people post in this thread with a total misunderstanding of the nature and process of cloning?
People, in general, are ignorant retards........................
damn terry, one of the wisest things ive seen so far. even from the likes of ( no offense man) you or hell anyone else for that matter
Just a theory I picked while being 'educated' in south georgia public schools :o
i think public schools are crappy because this generation is allowed to be lazy and mess up and not care if they get educated. very few in my generation have anything hard inside them; no drive, no passion, no originality. no sense of having to work for anything. and when they do have to work for anything, they complain and wimp out.
... and want it given to them
Quote from: ledfingers...no drive, no passion, no originality. no sense of having to work for anything. and when they do have to work for anything, they complain and wimp out.
That comes from home...not school. School has nothing to do with a person's integrity...school is only a test of a person's integrity. if you want to point fingers, look at the people who do things like give their kids an allowance for sitting around masturbating and playing video games all day.
No but schools do come into play...shitty schools (and states) dumb down tests. In NY a regents high school diploma used to be something to be proud of. Now everyone has to have one and they've made the state tests easier to accommodate the kids who are lazy. Yeah we have honors regents now..but its basically worthless...the teachers just teach to the test..and NY schools as a whole are pretty good..
When I went to college (and I worked hard in high school very hard) I was smacked against a brick wall when I realized that all of the kids there had a better education than I did. It was hard trying to catch up to them and keep up with my classes at the same time. People who went to good public schools were still bounds ahead of me let alone the private school kids.
Why would we want to dumb down public schools even more?
Not saying schools aren't dumbed down, but that's book smarts. I know people out there with tremendous integrity that can only tell you the capitol of Texas and do only the most basic of multiplication. I also used to work with a fellow who had tremendous book smarts...memorized everything from every text book he ever cracked open...but the man had absolutely no common sense or integrity. The man quit on us one day mid-shift just because he found a posted ad saying some company would start people out at twice the hourly wages, then he didn't understand why we wouldn't take him back after he was turned down.
I think popular culture has let down today's youth. The see all these sports figures and actors and rappers making millions and they they that they can either be a star or win the lottery. No work ethic or drive passed on from their parents OR their educators. I think back on it, and there were maybe two teachers that made a difference in my life and they both taught me between the 6th and 8th grade. By time I was a freshman in highschool, I was leaps and bounds ahead of everyone. Just because some teachers raised the bar and then did not allow me to fail.
Ok sence this thread is all over the place.
Ithink we should study whats nessesary to learn how to regenerate healthy cells and stuff like that, don't really care for clone's all that much. If the tech. is used for something good then ok.
I think it's mostly the parents fault. As a kid I was jelous of the spioled kids who had the best video games and other mind numding toys. My parents could not and would not buy them but they would take us on hikes, to play ball as a family, and many other activities.
There parents would give to them as children to try and give them a good childhood and make sure the other kids didn't have anything that their own didn't have. They did not make their kids work for anything. Now I see those same kids still asking there parents for things they need. Most of them get it.
My family was broke when I was a kid. I saw my parents work very hard to have the little they had. If I wanted something I had to work for it, I might have bought it with only my money but they wanted me to learn that most important lesson. Now that I'm grown I also work very hard, unlike my parents I know how to save money and spend wisely but I got the base from them.
The school system sucks anyway, Like Trick said in one of his songs Why are the judges makeing more then the teachers.
And don't get me started on the media. it's all about the real world let me tell ya :laugh: Seems like all those reallity shows have inflouenced our youth. I see kids 16-20ish all over acting like little shits and thinking it's ok. What about those little getto kids from around the world acting all hard all the time like move star thugs. I went to a club and saw a few guys pissing in a sink like they are really doing something.Thats really makes me mad. I lived in the getto I know whats it's like it really sucks and you deal with it but when I firsted moved to NC I went Ashville and could not believe the way most of those boys were acking, you had to sit back and laugh at them. That hole running around like little punks would have got your butt kicked in my old hood. :2guns:
When I was younger I thought people that said things like this where just full of it. but it didn't take long for me to realize how much impact media has on our kids. I watch MTV everyday as a kid, you can believe that my kids are not going to watch it under my roof.
Let me add lack of punishment, most of the assholes of today didn't get busted as a child.
there's a huge difference between MTV back in my day and MTV today...I don't think anyone should be allowed to watch MTV today...
I agree I'm only 27 it's not like it's had a long time to go so far down. The bad thing is it's marketed to kids :o