I've noticed the general advice and comments degrading on the board lately. There seems to be a disregard for common sense and motorcycle safety. Apparently posting FAST responses instead of knowledgeable ones is the style of late.
Kudos to the folks that still put up with correcting the children, and still offering up great advice.
Maybe the mods just need some coffee ? This is being said with the utmost respect and thankfulness I can convey with a keyboard.
i agree there are a few that just want to be difficult to deal with and others that throw out the personal attacks. not the funny and obviously tongue in cheek like terry but some that are personal and just venomous. at work and online i encourage people with the GS to join the site. some have told me they have joined but not posted because of the arrows flung by the peanut gallery. i don't have a problem if old timers - a year plus on the board- chuck crap at each other but leave the new people alone and cease the personal attacks.
+1
I've been here for awhile, and the forum goes through these "rude" phases. We're in one now, for sure.
I've recommended the forum to others before, and been embarrassed when they logged in. Sorry to have to say, I just don't do that anymore.
The ruder it gets, the more I scale down my participation and spend time elsewhere- I can't control it, but I don't have to participate. There are a lot of other forums I've left altogether.
There are a lot of good people who don't spend time here anymore, including many of those who helped establish this place. I can't help but think this is probably a factor.
Hi Ohgood,
I agree with you entirely.
People here really need to act more like adults.
But I was amazed to see FrankieG as the first person to agree with you.
Frankie, I must say, your ascerbic tone and rudeness are among the worst I see here lately.
You write with no regard on how other people might take it. I offered you a disc lock when you were looking for one and instead of a polite "no, thank you," you sent me back a rude and curt "I can get one cheaper and with free shipping" from a shop. Well, that may well be true, but you could have told me, "hey Todd, would you take less for it because I can get one cheaper elsewhere?"
I'm sure I would have given you a deal you were comfortable with. I'm a nice person, a good person and I go out of my way to help people. Being nice isn't that difficult.
Honestly, I do believe that you and I could be friends. I'm sure we're more alike than we are different.
I'll try to improve my attitude here, too. I do get crazy and sarcastic when people ask the STUPIDEST questions, I'll admit. The recent one from the guy who had about 10 posts and was a nice rider is an example. After just a few posts, he said he wanted to make his GS500 faster and louder. Oy. My response was yes, he certainly showed he was inexperienced. I guess that wasn't very helpful on my part.
We're all on the same side here.
I think it's a great idea that we keep that in mind as we help each other on this site.
Best wishes,
Todd
Wrecent is right, I've been a member (lurking) ever since I got my bike back in late '01 on the really really old board. There was a reason this forum was regarded as such a valuable resource for GS owners, and many folks came to us with a new GS saying the main reason they picked the GS over the EX was this forum.
Really quite sad to see it as it is now, with mainly trashy topics and replies to the same low-level, basic questions. Asking newbie questions is fine, and I used to get fed up with seeing it, so I leave for a couple months. This time, I don't know if I'll be back...the level of discussion isn't high enough to warrant me checking the board anymore.
the problem with posting and e-mail is it does not show inflection or tone, just letters on a screen. you(not you personally but people in general) are the only one in control of your own feelings i can not help that. i assure you that i am not trying to be rude but i don't sugar coat things. i shoot straight and right to the point. there is a difference between rudeness and honest. most people, i think, rather just take the sugar coating but i am not one for that. have said that if i have offended anyone(excluding religion, politics or firearms) it was not my intent and i apologize
btw the message you refer to was private was it not? we are talking about public posting here. private messages, as far as i am concerned, have more latitude
I too am limiting my visits to this forum, I love the bike and learning as much as I can about it, but when things get out of hand and people are degraded I'll head somewhere else. I support the website and the information shared here is invaluable to noobs like me, but I'm old enough to the value of respect too. Glad someone brought this up. Take care all. :thumb:
Quote from: frankieG on July 17, 2007, 07:11:49 AM
the problem with posting and e-mail is it does not show inflection or tone, just letters on a screen.
Hi again Frankie,
Yes, you are right. I agree with that, which makes it all the more important for all of us to be careful how we talk with each other. We can't see if the person who wrote the sarcasm is smiling or not.
I think the site is much more useful when it isn't laced with all the nastiness and heavy sarcasm.
Thanks for your note, man.
Best wishes,
Todd
Yeah, I agree there seems to be a drift toward personal comment, abuse perhaps. I suppose this simply reflects today's society.
As a moderator I recon I am very tolerant, generally against deletions bans etc if someone slips an unacceptable word in or extreemist political views come through. Insulting someone because they hold a different view is unacceptable, arguing with them is healthy. It's a fine line sometimes.
I think the whole board would benefit from a little less personal stuff and people thinking before posting hasty replies. The strange thing to me is this board has a "family T.V. type of ethic - standard, call it what you will yet we get to this. On another M/C board I use there is hardly any regulation over language, images etc and yet personal insults and abuse are very rare indeed. :cookoo:
I think part of the reason for comments "degrading" over time is due to the same questions being asked time and again. The older, more experienced board members simply toss out the standard "Use the search, noob", instead of taking the time to write out the same eloquent responses they've written before. Then, you have newer, less experienced people offering advice that are really not qualified to give it. Case in point; in another thread I was reading about someone that lost control when they locked their rear brakes in emergency braking, and someone else replied that his technique was flawed and that they should use the front brakes for 80% of their braking. :cookoo: The front brakes supply 70% of your total braking power. The rear brakes supply the other 30%, and you should use BOTH brakes every time you stop to develop your skill so that you don't lock up either brake in an emergency. (That is straight from the MSF experienced riders course) However, I didn't reply to that thread (I should have), because people already had their proverbial dicks out wagging and flaming each other.
That is a big reason why I don't offer a lot of advice, because I know there are people with more knowledge and experience than my self. However, the irony is that I have more time on this board, and more experience on my GS than many of the people posting...
Over all, though, I believe that the board is still an excellent resource, and I continue to log on nearly daily (as long as I have access to the internet).
I agree also , for a example there was a post about a Yoshi Exhaust , and where to find one , and will it fit etc , which is a good question , i mean had they Searched , they may have found it ,but with yoshi's coming out , and having different bits on it , like Sanjays new TRL slip on , doesnt seem to fit the earlyer headers , which by eye you wouldnt of known or thought , so it was very handy to no , then a certain member posts
* i have a yoshi* , how in any way is that helpful , or even relavent to the text , there talking about if certain ones fit , not who owns one , looking thought the forum daily , i see all sorts of crap , im sure i may have written one or two with out thinking , but certain people seem to think people want to see it everyday ,
This is a Excellent Forum , the Uk GS500e site is open , but im using this one , because theres members on her with Incredable Knowledge about the bike , and im sure they dont want to repeat the same answer 100 times ,
This issue is one of the reasons Phaedrus created the FAQ (which eventually migrated to the wiki). We were seeing lots of common, repeated questions. Lots of older members no longer had the patience to answer questions like "what's a good exhaust" because answers had already been posted, but new members didn't have the patience to wade through tens of pages of posts when trying to search. Since then (it's been a year, I think), we've seen fewer arguments based on those kinds of questions. And for the most part, the information on there is accurate, because anyone can correct any page.
But there are still lots of common repeated questions that aren't on the wiki. Many of these are opinion questions (like whether a single or dual headlight is more attractive) or invite opinions ("where can I get a dual headlight?" "don't bother, it's ugly"), so it's natural to see some lively discussion there. But you're absolutely right that lots of questions that have a single correct answer still get repeated. Perhaps these should also be added to the wiki? I don't want to detract from the discussion on the forum, but eventually these questions will turn into the style of "what kind of exhaust should I get".
I feel like people posting random opinions and short posts is a separate matter. The lines between friendly banter and postwhoring and generally being an ass are difficult ones to draw, and depend a lot on who's posting. The same post from different people can be interpreted in different ways, so policing this sort of thing isn't going to be easy or straightforward. The best that can be done is to ignore posts that you interpret as rude and just respond as if that post didn't exist.
Cool, it's not just me.
I'll do my part to stay gs500 centric, and ignore any trolling.
Seems that's likely the best way to make the board better.
Thanks for the comments and constructive criticisms. I know I could use it myself at times.
Tomorrow is ride it to work day. Think I will.
go suzi go :thumb:
QuoteI think part of the reason for comments "degrading" over time is due to the same questions being asked time and again. The older, more experienced board members simply toss out the standard "Use the search, noob", instead of taking the time to write out the same eloquent responses they've written before. Then, you have newer, less experienced people offering advice that are really not qualified to give it. Case in point; in another thread I was reading about someone that lost control when they locked their rear brakes in emergency braking, and someone else replied that his technique was flawed and that they should use the front brakes for 80% of their braking. cookoo The front brakes supply 70% of your total braking power. The rear brakes supply the other 30%, and you should use BOTH brakes every time you stop to develop your skill so that you don't lock up either brake in an emergency. (That is straight from the MSF experienced riders course) However, I didn't reply to that thread (I should have), because people already had their proverbial dicks out wagging and flaming each other.
That is a big reason why I don't offer a lot of advice, because I know there are people with more knowledge and experience than my self. However, the irony is that I have more time on this board, and more experience on my GS than many of the people posting...
Over all, though, I believe that the board is still an excellent resource, and I continue to log on nearly daily (as long as I have access to the internet).
FYI..what happens if you grab so much front brake that the rear tire leaves the ground, how much braking does the rear tire supply? Just let you know the MSF thing on braking is so outdated it should be ignored. There was a video I posted a while back talking showing the breaking distances between front only, rear and front and rear only. The results where that in a panic stop with a newer sport bike that there was less then 2ft between front only and "front and rear" from like 60MPH to 0MPH. So the argument goes that its far better too lose 2ft of braking than having to deal with you back end sliding around which can cost a heck of alot more than 2ft
But case and point, people have differing opinions and thats whats cool about a message board. The people do get personal attacks against them, but in general I associate it with people typing instead of talking, things get lost when there is no body language.
Nothing to see here... move along.
The only thing that's pissing me off is the people who insist on making threads just to insult people. Some people are crass...abrasive...with their responses but it's their nature. It's when someone goes out of their way simply to be insulting.
I will say that another thing that's been irritating me, but not on a level that I would actively do anything about it, is the rampant "omg, it's the wiki!" posts. The noobs shouldn't have to sift through all that to find a simple answer...if you know it, share your knowledge and then maybe say "oh, and here's the link too the wiki for some other useful info"...if you don't want to help then bow out and leave it be.
Quote from: makenzie71 on July 17, 2007, 03:19:37 PM
I will say that another thing that's been irritating me, but not on a level that I would actively do anything about it, is the rampant "omg, it's the wiki!" posts.
The Wiki is organized quite well and contains a lot of useful information that doesn't need to be "sorted" through. A user has a question about an exhaust? The Wiki has an entire page dedicated to the exhausts available for the GS500. No, it's taking the time to read through information that has been given dozens of times already and has been painstakingly compiled into a single resource in order to prevent the same questions from being asked over and over. A person has a question about tank range? Guess what, it's in the Wiki. You can even search through the Wiki to find the information you need if you don't want to "sift through all of that".
Oh, and I believe the phrase is "Holy crap it's the Wiki!"
Quote from: coll0412 on July 17, 2007, 02:19:09 PM
QuoteI think part of the reason for comments "degrading" over time is due to the same questions being asked time and again. The older, more experienced board members simply toss out the standard "Use the search, noob", instead of taking the time to write out the same eloquent responses they've written before. Then, you have newer, less experienced people offering advice that are really not qualified to give it. Case in point; in another thread I was reading about someone that lost control when they locked their rear brakes in emergency braking, and someone else replied that his technique was flawed and that they should use the front brakes for 80% of their braking. cookoo The front brakes supply 70% of your total braking power. The rear brakes supply the other 30%, and you should use BOTH brakes every time you stop to develop your skill so that you don't lock up either brake in an emergency. (That is straight from the MSF experienced riders course) However, I didn't reply to that thread (I should have), because people already had their proverbial dicks out wagging and flaming each other.
That is a big reason why I don't offer a lot of advice, because I know there are people with more knowledge and experience than my self. However, the irony is that I have more time on this board, and more experience on my GS than many of the people posting...
Over all, though, I believe that the board is still an excellent resource, and I continue to log on nearly daily (as long as I have access to the internet).
FYI..what happens if you grab so much front brake that the rear tire leaves the ground, how much braking does the rear tire supply? Just let you know the MSF thing on braking is so outdated it should be ignored. There was a video I posted a while back talking showing the breaking distances between front only, rear and front and rear only. The results where that in a panic stop with a newer sport bike that there was less then 2ft between front only and "front and rear" from like 60MPH to 0MPH. So the argument goes that its far better too lose 2ft of braking than having to deal with you back end sliding around which can cost a heck of alot more than 2ft
But case and point, people have differing opinions and thats whats cool about a message board. The people do get personal attacks against them, but in general I associate it with people typing instead of talking, things get lost when there is no body language.
not only no body language but no tone of voice or the sense of sarcasm, which has gotten, im sure, everybody in trouble.
Sure the Wiki isn't bad and there's no reason why anyone should avoid it, it's ridiculous to us "Holy crap it's the Wiki!" as a universal answer to mundane questions. If you don't want to actually answer the question, then leave it alone. Posting "Holy crap it's the Wiki!" makes you sound like an ass.
X
Taking a moment, even if only after the fact, to consider whether comments were appropriate or not, though, makes a man a little less crass and abrasive.
~x~
Quote from: makenzie71 on July 17, 2007, 03:59:10 PM
Sure the Wiki isn't bad and there's no reason why anyone should avoid it, it's ridiculous to us "Holy crap it's the Wiki!" as a universal answer to mundane questions. If you don't want to actually answer the question, then leave it alone. Posting "Holy crap it's the Wiki!" makes you sound like an ass.
If you'll note when I post the link, I link them directly to the page where the information they requested is located. Someone asks an exhaust question? I link them to the Wiki exhaust page. Mundane questions get mundane answers.
I never pay much attention to the alterations you make and I'm not saying folks shouldn't be linked to the FAQ...I just think it could be worded in such a way that doesn't make the new folks think we think that they're an idiot.
"Holy Crap it's the wiki!" is patronizing, regardless of whether you post an exact link or not. If you really wanted to give a mundane answer, it'd be faster to just post the link.
Quote from: sanjay on July 17, 2007, 01:47:43 PM
... The best that can be done is to ignore posts that you interpret as rude and just respond as if that post didn't exist.
As I see it, Sanjay's closing statement is probably the right answer. Skip over the riff-raff, or if the topic is generally not worth your comment, avoid it in the future.
If Moderators take offence to every escallation of tone, reacting to the use of abrasive language, then we'd be declared as a bunch of heavy-handed SOB's (or DOB's in Pandy's case). There is no obvious line -- it's all subjective. If one of us feel the line has been crossed, we tend to take some action -- ask people to grow up, we move the thread to where it is less obvious or in drastic cases, delete the thing entirely.
But this community is what it is.
But I commend
ohgood -- thanks for posting your note here in General Discussion. I bet you've reached some that needed to be reminded of civility. If not, we (Mod's) may well take a more active voice in some threads -- to have people tone down the rhetoric or else.
Quote from: sanjay"Holy Crap it's the wiki!" is patronizing, regardless of whether you post an exact link or not. If you really wanted to give a mundane answer, it'd be faster to just post the link.
Exactly. :thumb:
guess what~
It's about to get a helluva lot worse :icon_twisted:
since O.M.W. quit posting....can we have AJ back?.....PLEASE
love to have R-Gal back but i doubt she would come back....
I'm sorry. :cry: I'll try to be more polite. :cry: May I go to my room now? :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Quote from: werase643 on July 17, 2007, 07:23:54 PM
since O.M.W. quit posting....can we have AJ back?.....PLEASE
love to have R-Gal back but i doubt she would come back....
I second that.
tone IS everythiing though ... one of the first questions i asked was answered with Alpha's ""it's the Wiki" thing ... seeing that he DID take the time to link me directly to said section of the Wikipedia , i got more of a "sarcastic humor" sort of vibe from it , which was fine , and i appreciated the fact that he did find the info i was looking after for me .
I can see where it gets frustrating to hear te same questions over and over , but sometimes , like in my original case , new people aren't really even aware of the Wiki . Or of how to find certain subjects within it (ie: the rejetting matrix) . Some folks may not be familiar with jets at all (i wasn't) before coming here . The "Holy crap , it's the Wiki" with a link directly to the topic in question isn't nearly as bad as the "Search NOOB" comment that's been handed out quite a bit lately . There is literally so much info and posts on here , oftentimes using the search function will only lead you to pages of results that never answer said question , they just direct you to posts made by other people looking for the info themselves and getting the same "search noob" response hehe .
I'd say as a general rule , if someone's post count is in the single digits , there's a good chance that it'd be easiest (and more humane hehe) to just answer the question or link to an answer . They may not even be aware of the "mods" section , or see the FAQs ... when i initially came here , the search engine directed me directly to the forums , not through the main page :dunno_white:
Maybe the easy way out here is for Alpha to just post "Holy crap , it's the Wiki :icon_mrgreen:" with the relevent topic in the link ... the smiley certainly changes the "tone" , and leaves body language out of it entirely :icon_twisted:
Quote from: genEricStL on July 17, 2007, 08:58:14 PM
tone IS everythiing though ... one of the first questions i asked was answered with Alpha's ""it's the Wiki" thing ... seeing that he DID take the time to link me directly to said section of the Wikipedia , i got more of a "sarcastic humor" sort of vibe from it , which was fine , and i appreciated the fact that he did find the info i was looking after for me .
I can see where it gets frustrating to hear te same questions over and over , but sometimes , like in my original case , new people aren't really even aware of the Wiki . Or of how to find certain subjects within it (ie: the rejetting matrix) . Some folks may not be familiar with jets at all (i wasn't) before coming here . The "Holy crap , it's the Wiki" with a link directly to the topic in question isn't nearly as bad as the "Search NOOB" comment that's been handed out quite a bit lately . There is literally so much info and posts on here , oftentimes using the search function will only lead you to pages of results that never answer said question , they just direct you to posts made by other people looking for the info themselves and getting the same "search noob" response hehe .
I'd say as a general rule , if someone's post count is in the single digits , there's a good chance that it'd be easiest (and more humane hehe) to just answer the question or link to an answer . They may not even be aware of the "mods" section , or see the FAQs ... when i initially came here , the search engine directed me directly to the forums , not through the main page :dunno_white:
Maybe the easy way out here is for Alpha to just post "Holy crap , it's the Wiki :icon_mrgreen:" with the relevent topic in the link ... the smiley certainly changes the "tone" , and leaves body language out of it entirely :icon_twisted:
+1 When I came on board,people say search.I did just to find arguements over BS opinions.I have seen posts and can remember a good bit about the post but can't find it with the search bar.Doesn't matter if it's an advanced search or a basic.Still gives up irrealvent info.Now that I'm more familiar with the site,the search bar is still useless to me.
I've learned to misspell specific things inside threads I want to remember. For reference, I wanted to be able to find my axle diameters post really easily so in the title I purposely typed it "diamters". If i hadn't, I would never have been able to find it.
The forum's search feature is complete rubbish. Useless. Every now and then you can find something that isn't tagged easily but it's only by fluke. It isn't so much from the feature's ineffectiveness by this point, though, as it is by the articles that come up being plagued by the same variety of conversation found in this particular thread: essentially retarded, unnecessary banter. This is why I think it's important that the wiki be pointed out so often...it's just like I said, though, it needs to be pointed out differently to the ignorant.
Wonder why I post so sporadically?
Anyways I've found that these forums are much like day to day life:
Most are clueless
Those who have a clue are jaded
Most people a P.O.'d about something that has no bearing on what they're doing at the moment.
Honestly just take the noobs in smaller dosages and you'll have much more patience.
we've already had one of these threads. A search should find it for you.
SPC, you don't even know who R-gal is.
I was seconding wanting AJ back.
I have noticed a huge degradation of most any forum that I frequent these days. I am on a few car websites, a jeep wrangler website, and a few gun websites, and I notice that everybody thats new seems to be little trolls on all of them. I really come to sites like this one to learn new things from people like srinath and mak. They really know their stuff as well as countless other people that I'm too new to know yet. I for one salute all of those who help us newbs out without flaming us for every "dumb" question that is thrown out there. I am a decent mechanic with limited bike and carbuerated (sp) knowlege and it really helps to have a place like this to come check things out. I hope it doesn't become like thevboard.com !!!! Check that site out if you really want to see a place that has gone down the crapper. :cheers:
I just recently returned to this forum after not posting for a year or so, and I haven't really noticed any differences from here and other internet forums that I frequent. All the reasons that others have already stated for the reduced quality of advice and comments are true. However, I think that people in general take things too seriously and need to chill a bit. I don't think that people should go out of their way to be hurtful or mean to others, but I also don't think that people should go out of their way to spare other people's feelings. People get personally offended when someone they don't even know makes a sarcastic (or rude) comment, when it's not worth wasting time over. It's like the "holy crap it's the wiki" thing. Why is that offensive to anyone? It's not a personal attack on you, just a creative and humorous way to tell you that the info you want is in the wiki. Appreciate the humor (or get over it, if it bothers you) and go check the wiki....or the faq....or use the search if that is where the information is.
You can't even tell an off color joke these days without someone getting pissed. Relax a little, you'll live longer.
John
Quote from: DrtRydr23 on July 19, 2007, 08:45:09 PM
It's like the "holy crap it's the wiki" thing. Why is that offensive to anyone? It's not a personal attack on you, just a creative and humorous way to tell you that the info you want is in the wiki. Appreciate the humor (or get over it, if it bothers you) and go check the wiki....or the faq....or use the search if that is where the information is.
Thank you.
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on July 19, 2007, 09:58:17 PM
Quote from: DrtRydr23 on July 19, 2007, 08:45:09 PM
It's like the "holy crap it's the wiki" thing. Why is that offensive to anyone? It's not a personal attack on you, just a creative and humorous way to tell you that the info you want is in the wiki. Appreciate the humor (or get over it, if it bothers you) and go check the wiki....or the faq....or use the search if that is where the information is.
Thank you.
Shutup.
How's that for degrading?
Quote from: NiceGuysFinishLast on July 19, 2007, 10:23:13 PM
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on July 19, 2007, 09:58:17 PM
Quote from: DrtRydr23 on July 19, 2007, 08:45:09 PM
It's like the "holy crap it's the wiki" thing. Why is that offensive to anyone? It's not a personal attack on you, just a creative and humorous way to tell you that the info you want is in the wiki. Appreciate the humor (or get over it, if it bothers you) and go check the wiki....or the faq....or use the search if that is where the information is.
Thank you.
Shutup.
How's that for degrading?
It would have been moreso if people actually listened to what you say. Luckily we don't. Noob.
[sarcasm, in case anyone is as slow as NGFL]
Quote from: NiceGuysFinishLast on July 19, 2007, 10:23:13 PM
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on July 19, 2007, 09:58:17 PM
Quote from: DrtRydr23 on July 19, 2007, 08:45:09 PM
It's like the "holy crap it's the wiki" thing. Why is that offensive to anyone? It's not a personal attack on you, just a creative and humorous way to tell you that the info you want is in the wiki. Appreciate the humor (or get over it, if it bothers you) and go check the wiki....or the faq....or use the search if that is where the information is.
Thank you.
Shutup.
How's that for degrading?
It's mediocre for degrading. I'll shut up though, in the hopes that you won't post again.
John
Quote from: DrtRydr23 on July 20, 2007, 10:01:25 PM
Quote from: NiceGuysFinishLast on July 19, 2007, 10:23:13 PM
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on July 19, 2007, 09:58:17 PM
Quote from: DrtRydr23 on July 19, 2007, 08:45:09 PM
It's like the "holy crap it's the wiki" thing. Why is that offensive to anyone? It's not a personal attack on you, just a creative and humorous way to tell you that the info you want is in the wiki. Appreciate the humor (or get over it, if it bothers you) and go check the wiki....or the faq....or use the search if that is where the information is.
Thank you.
Shutup.
How's that for degrading?
It's mediocre for degrading. I'll shut up though, in the hopes that you won't post again.
John
I wasn't talking to you, butthead. I was talking to Brian (Alphafire, in case you're a bit slow), a friend of mine. It was a joke.
Has anyone noticed how the posts have been degrading in quality lately? :o :cookoo:
Quote from: mytwin on July 21, 2007, 04:56:47 AM
Has anyone noticed how the posts have been degrading in quality lately? :o :cookoo:
There is only one way to solve the problem.
Do a barrel roll.
the clique here are like a bunch of whinny little school children with a means streak. all you have to do is look in the tard area and see who is saying what about whom and such. i find it quite entertaining. these are the same people that give noobs a hard time and think that just because they had ridden a gs for 5 or 10 years they are an expert on all motorcycles. having said that some are incredibly nice people and some are very friendly and knowledgeable and others (terry) grow on you. i prefer to focus on the positive and not the negative. i am a member of a few boards and this type of thread is in there somewhere. i don't think gstwin is any better or worse than any other board.
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on July 21, 2007, 06:13:35 AM
Quote from: mytwin on July 21, 2007, 04:56:47 AM
Has anyone noticed how the posts have been degrading in quality lately? :o :cookoo:
There is only one way to solve the problem.
Do a barrel roll.
(http://content.ytmnd.com/content/e/c/d/ecd2c47d75bdf5cdef07b34aab5701e0.jpg)
Oh yeah... what's "whinny".. isn't that the sound a horse makes?
Quote from: frankieG on July 21, 2007, 08:51:33 AM
ii don't think gstwin is any better or worse than any other board.
Maybe. I'm on a number of others as well (increasingly, lately), and I agree that the standards are very low... but it used to be better here than it is now. I think we're pretty much at the lowest point I've seen since the "red robot" phase.
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"You're a dork"
"No,
you're a dork"
"No,
you're a dork"
"No,
you're a dork"
"No,
you're..."
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This seems to be the way every thread that lasts long enough ends up now.
A few people here never seem to get the least bit tired of it.
Some of us really, really are.
I agree totally, lets just try to be helpful and we can all have fun. Trying to come of as a site historian and monitoring how many times a question was asked is rude and disruptive to the health of this great site.
Coming in, being a new guy, and telling all the older, wiser members that they're idiots, disregarding their advice, asking the same question 10 different times, and in general being a nuisance isn't the best of etiquette either. (Not pointed at anyone specific, just general observations I've made about new guys lately)
Give me a link to a post that was worded like that. Probably more like the reverse. I have been a member for a real short time but in that time it seems like the old timers are too gruff and quick to tell someone to can it and hit the search, hell if we all did that there would be no more posts! I have been riding and racing bikes for over twenty years and I have no urge to look down my nose and pass judgement on what is a good question or a bad one. Lets remember the only bad question is the one that wasnt asked.
But in case I am wrong, then yes lets ALL go into this with open minds.
Search for any post by member "Nick_villan"
He asked the same question at least 5 times. When we gave him answers, he told us we were wrong. Read any post by FrankieG, most of his posts are irrelevant (as are mine, but I try to confine the irrelevancy to the tard farm), with very little useful information (Although he can be helpful at times).
I have no urge to look down my nose on anyone, especially not new people (to riding, the gs500s, or to mechanical things in general). However, I believe in helping those who help themselves. I've never been handed anything in my life, and I don't believe others should be, either. A simple search for "rejetting" provides the wiki link over and over again. Hell, just read the FAQs real quick, BEFORE you post another question. If there's something in the FAQ or the Wiki, or a previous post that you don't understand, I'm perfectly ok with that, ask for clarification, but show that you put forth some effort on your own behalf before asking us to mollycoddle you (general you, not you specifically), and hand you everything on a platter. This is a forum, with a backlog of posts into the hundreds of pages. While I agree that if ALL we did was search, there would be no new posts, I feel that it's denigrating and degrading to those who have put so much research and hard work into previous posts (Srinath, Kerry, Dgyver, Werase, Rich (RIP), hell, even Mak) to disregard those posts. Progress is good, things change, additions are made. However, there is so much information available here, if people would only avail themselves of it.
That was too damn long, I'm sorry, but I feel passionately about it (Or maybe I'm just pissed off at n00bs posting threads that I've read before.. :laugh:)
Quote from: NiceGuysFinishLast on July 21, 2007, 06:57:28 PM
Search for any post by member "Nick_villan"
He asked the same question at least 5 times. When we gave him answers, he told us we were wrong. Read any post by FrankieG, most of his posts are irrelevant (as are mine, but I try to confine the irrelevancy to the tard farm), with very little useful information (Although he can be helpful at times).
I have no urge to look down my nose on anyone, especially not new people (to riding, the gs500s, or to mechanical things in general). However, I believe in helping those who help themselves. I've never been handed anything in my life, and I don't believe others should be, either. A simple search for "rejetting" provides the wiki link over and over again. Hell, just read the FAQs real quick, BEFORE you post another question. If there's something in the FAQ or the Wiki, or a previous post that you don't understand, I'm perfectly ok with that, ask for clarification, but show that you put forth some effort on your own behalf before asking us to mollycoddle you (general you, not you specifically), and hand you everything on a platter. This is a forum, with a backlog of posts into the hundreds of pages. While I agree that if ALL we did was search, there would be no new posts, I feel that it's denigrating and degrading to those who have put so much research and hard work into previous posts (Srinath, Kerry, Dgyver, Werase, Rich (RIP), hell, even Mak) to disregard those posts. Progress is good, things change, additions are made. However, there is so much information available here, if people would only avail themselves of it.
That was too damn long, I'm sorry, but I feel passionately about it (Or maybe I'm just pissed off at n00bs posting threads that I've read before.. :laugh:)
We will not accept personal attacks on this board.
Quote from: frankieG on July 21, 2007, 07:59:53 PM
Quote from: NiceGuysFinishLast on July 21, 2007, 06:57:28 PM
Search for any post by member "Nick_villan"
He asked the same question at least 5 times. When we gave him answers, he told us we were wrong. Read any post by FrankieG, most of his posts are irrelevant (as are mine, but I try to confine the irrelevancy to the tard farm), with very little useful information (Although he can be helpful at times).
I have no urge to look down my nose on anyone, especially not new people (to riding, the gs500s, or to mechanical things in general). However, I believe in helping those who help themselves. I've never been handed anything in my life, and I don't believe others should be, either. A simple search for "rejetting" provides the wiki link over and over again. Hell, just read the FAQs real quick, BEFORE you post another question. If there's something in the FAQ or the Wiki, or a previous post that you don't understand, I'm perfectly ok with that, ask for clarification, but show that you put forth some effort on your own behalf before asking us to mollycoddle you (general you, not you specifically), and hand you everything on a platter. This is a forum, with a backlog of posts into the hundreds of pages. While I agree that if ALL we did was search, there would be no new posts, I feel that it's denigrating and degrading to those who have put so much research and hard work into previous posts (Srinath, Kerry, Dgyver, Werase, Rich (RIP), hell, even Mak) to disregard those posts. Progress is good, things change, additions are made. However, there is so much information available here, if people would only avail themselves of it.
That was too damn long, I'm sorry, but I feel passionately about it (Or maybe I'm just pissed off at n00bs posting threads that I've read before.. :laugh:)
your like 12 OK 21 about the same. technically @$$hole i have been a member of this board before you and spent more time in the military and riding than you've been alive. so go f%$k yourself, grow up you little duck-less kid. i wish you lived near me cuz i love throttling little dip shits like yourself that think you are top drawer. f%$king 21 year old kid handing out advise and criticism....now that's a rant :thumb:
And yet I still dont like you. In my opinion your not that helpful, 9 out of 10 posts you post are pointless non helpful crap. For me If I dont know something or have nothing nice to say I usually stay out of the thread USUALLY. Im an ass and I like it.
i've taken a deep breath and calmed down :cookoo: :cookoo: sorry for going off on you asian cornroll man O0
honestly i don't give a rats ass if you like me or not...i'm not on this earth to blow sunshine up anyone's ass
Quote from: frankieG on July 21, 2007, 08:27:07 PM
i've taken a deep breath and calmed down :cookoo: :cookoo: sorry for going off on you asian cornroll man O0
honestly i don't give a rats ass if you like me or not...i'm not on this earth to blow sunshine up anyone's ass
I think you have your people mixed up Im not NGFL nor am I asian. So you take your deep breath's. you can also try counting backwards from 10, What ever floats your boat sunshine...........Still dont like you
Well, maybe if y'all weren't such a bunch of 'tards, I wouldn't have to smack your asses down all the time, 'tards. :icon_mrgreen:
Quote from: NiceGuysFinishLast on July 21, 2007, 03:35:34 AM
I wasn't talking to you, butthead. I was talking to Brian (Alphafire, in case you're a bit slow), a friend of mine. It was a joke.
My bad, I didn't read the "quote closely enough.
John
Quote from: NiceGuysFinishLast on July 21, 2007, 06:37:12 PM
Coming in, being a new guy, and telling all the older, wiser members that they're idiots, disregarding their advice, asking the same question 10 different times, and in general being a nuisance isn't the best of etiquette either. (Not pointed at anyone specific, just general observations I've made about new guys lately)
Not all older members are wiser in the ways of motorcycling than newer ones. This is a common fault on all message boards that I've seen. Older members think new members are inexperienced because they haven't been on the message board as long, when they could have a world of real world experience and have just never been on a board. I'm on an MMA message board where that stuff runs rampant.
John
Quote from: DrtRydr23 on July 21, 2007, 09:27:34 PM
Quote from: NiceGuysFinishLast on July 21, 2007, 03:35:34 AM
I wasn't talking to you, butthead. I was talking to Brian (Alphafire, in case you're a bit slow), a friend of mine. It was a joke.
My bad, I didn't read the "quote closely enough.
John
Quite alright.. I re-read it and saw how it could have been taken as a criticism towards you. Brian and I give each other shaZam! on here a lot.
Frankie: discounting people's experience and wisdom based solely on their age is about as bad as judging them solely on their length of membership on a motorcycle forum. As was pointed out (and as I admit is correct), just because someone is new to a forum, doesn't mean they're new to the topic. Just because I'm young doesn't mean I haven't had a lot of life experiences. Doesn't mean I'm an idiot. Doesn't mean I'm a kid. You hate on me for being young, and tell me I'm a fuckup, etc... yet I bet you'd be the first to say that I should respect you, solely because you're my elder. I don't respect someone because of age, I respect them for who they are. You shouldn't disrespect me solely because of my age, but because of who I am. I've said some pretty @$$hole like things to you. I'm sorry. I post a lot late at night when I'm grouchy, and not exactly thinking. A lot of what I say is meant to be more sarcastic than actual biting wit. That being said, if you wish to not accept my apology, and you want to hate on me, feel free, you aren't the first, nor will you be the last. But disrespect me for who I am, and what I do, not for a number that doesn't really mean shaZam!.
Also.. wtf is a cornroll man?
Finally (and again, this is an attempt at humor)...
Quote from: FrankieGyour like 12
... My like 12 what?
Nate,
I can pee further than you can!
You guys that use coluorful language directed at others are making OhGood's case and giving us moderators pause to think that more agressive policing may be necessary.
My dad could beat up your dads :2guns:
Quote from: RedShift on July 22, 2007, 06:25:48 AM
You guys that use coluorful language directed at others are making OhGood's case and giving us moderators pause to think that more agressive policing may be necessary.
And, with that, those posts are deleted. Too bad we don't have them as examples, but is it good enough to imagine what they were?
Derogitory diatribe does nothing but drag yourself, and others with you, down; it's so easy to hate.
Quote from: scratch on July 23, 2007, 04:24:37 PM
And, with that, those posts are deleted. Too bad we don't have them as examples, but is it good enough to imagine what they were?
Derogitory diatribe does nothing but drag yourself, and others with you, down; it's so easy to hate.
I hate you.
I've noticed that the feeling can easily be mutual.
Quote from: RedShift on July 22, 2007, 06:25:48 AMagressive policing may be necessary.
Verärgerte Polizei ist die beste Polizei.
Ein Aufstellungsort
Eine Richtlinie
Eine Moderator
Quote from: RedShift on July 23, 2007, 05:34:47 PM
I've noticed that the feeling can easily be mutual.
I think I'm going to need some ice for that BURRRRRNNNN!!!!
Prime example where thats wrong ,saying if u havent been on this board long etc
Ben (Ben2go) hasnt been on this board long and he turns out to be the Fork King ,so maybe u should think that thro Frankie
and your pointless comments arnt helping anyone ,certainly swearing at other people for no reason ,
Quote from: Jay_wolf on July 23, 2007, 07:26:26 PM
Prime example where thats wrong ,saying if u havent been on this board long etc
Ben (Ben2go) hasnt been on this board long and he turns out to be the Fork King ,so maybe u should think that thro Frankie
and your pointless comments arnt helping anyone ,certainly swearing at other people for no reason ,
hypocrite
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on July 23, 2007, 07:18:59 PM
Quote from: RedShift on July 23, 2007, 05:34:47 PM
I've noticed that the feeling can easily be mutual.
I think I'm going to need some ice for that BURRRRRNNNN!!!!
I have some ointment for you.... ugly.
OOOH! SICK BURN!
Whew...listing off registration dates in your sig...attempting to be OG.
Good for you, buddy.
cmon folks take a :flipoff: chill pill already :laugh:
I'd jump in to this and make hateful, stupid comments, but my pee pee isn't big enough. :flipoff:
Guess I'll go for a ride...
(http://www.excelshirts.com/images/T/1104.jpg) :thumb:
Quote from: RedShift on July 22, 2007, 06:25:48 AM
You guys that use coluorful language directed at others are making OhGood's case and giving us moderators pause to think that more agressive policing may be necessary.
+1
Welcome to "As the Hammer Hovers"
We need not only more coffee, but more time. We've all been putting in OT lately trying to keep things civil/get things BACK to civil, so give us a break folks. Peet's, here I come!
You should start drinking........heavily. Starting first thing in the morning, it does wonders for stress :laugh: :laugh:
Seriously: I've already been set straight on an issue one of the admins was tired of :oops: :oops:
Quote from: spcterry on July 25, 2007, 11:35:11 AM
You should start drinking........heavily. Starting first thing in the morning, it does wonders for stress :laugh: :laugh:
Not only that, the only way you can drink all day is, if you start first thing in the morning. :cheers:
indeed :laugh:
Yet again another topic which tries in vain to make some change to the board but its stomped on by stupid comments. How many of these posts have we seen in the last few months, there must have been four or five posts trying to highlight the problems and encourage people to make a difference. But these posts just turn into every other post on this board, after about the 2nd page it becomes worthless with people (not naming names here) coming out with stupid things such as have a drink or chill out, and in some cases get a bong. What is the point in these posts if they are to end up as every other post on this board. This board can ONLY change for the better if everyone on the board wants it to. And for some people being nice, being helpful and being polite and tolerant is just too much like hard work because it is not them naturally. Mods can punish all day long ban people etc.. but what will happen people will just start acting up more about banning happening, think of AJ shes been gone months yet at every opportunity people try and bring the topic up and put the Mods down. They've done the right thing for the board so stand by their decision, just because shes not on the board posting does not mean you can't still talk to her outside the board. What is done by the mods, punishing people, deleting stupid threads and tard farming is for the good of the board and is not personal against the people who make trouble.
Ive said time and again, if people post questions which you feel are silly, and your normal response would be to tell them to search or make an attack well don't! Stay out of it. Someone else on the board will have the patience to answer the same questions time and again even if you can't so stay out. If you can answer the question and are not going to make an attack, then answer it and put kindly at the bottom that there is a wealth of knowledge on this site and by using the search function you may find the answer to future questions quicker and more easily than posting.
I have been reading a post just 2 minutes ago in which the author was asking people to stay on topic, that shouldn't need to happen. If they asked a genuine question then answer it and resolve the problem before going off topic if you can't start another thread in the appropriate place on the board.
This is the last time i will respond to posts trying to make this board better because it is clearly up to the members to sort themselves out, and these posts do not seem to make any impression what so ever, they bring up the same comments time and again from people saying yea i agree lets make a change etc... then nothing happens. As i said people are stuck in their ways and unwilling to change to make this board a better place.
Keep up the good work Mods, get stricter and get harsher and eventually the message will come across even if members are lost along the way the board will be better in the end.
Out of the mouths of babes.... (and I mean that in the BEST way :kiss3:)... :thumb:
Yours is a most sensible, logical, practical, and intelligent post, Kasumi. I hope you'll continue to contribute even when things get tough around here, because we can NEVER have too much sensible, logical input. ;)
Mutual respect has grown a bit lacking lately, but I think everyone's going to work a little harder at it. :cheers: