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I doubt these are really a new 250, this is probably just a euro ninja 400 or something ridiculously cool that I've never heard of, that's common over there, and you will all laugh at me. But if the ninja 250 and 500 got this remake for real... I'd probably buy a 500...
If they'd make a 500 2 stroke that looked like that I'd sell my soul for it.
Quote from: spcterry on September 04, 2007, 10:23:10 PM
If they'd make a 500 2 stroke that looked like that I'd sell my soul for it.
If they made a 500 2 stroke like that... your soul wouldn't stay in your body long.. nor would your internal organs... :laugh:
Yeah, but I'd give all those literbike fuckers a run for their money :icon_mrgreen:
if it were streetlegal, i doubt it would happen. 2 smokers arent on the road much nowadays :cry:
There is also a rumor of Z1400 a half faired B-king rival
Not sure, sport bikes with less than 600 cc don'r really sell over here (Europe) and as far as I know the ZX6R is the smallest Kawasaki selling in Europe. Judging by the tires on that pic this is definitely a smaller bike, and the headlight is almost exactly the same as on the new Z750 so I'd say it's something new.
Unless of course it's something that's been available only in Japan because of their laws (they encourage small displacements)
Quote from: OgGy on September 05, 2007, 06:35:23 AM
Not sure, sport bikes with less than 600 cc don'r really sell over here (Europe) and as far as I know the ZX6R is the smallest Kawasaki selling in Europe. Judging by the tires on that pic this is definitely a smaller bike, and the headlight is almost exactly the same as on the new Z750 so I'd say it's something new.
Unless of course it's something that's been available only in Japan because of their laws (they encourage small displacements)
What part of Europe are you from :icon_confused: ?
I thought Small displacement sportbikes were all over the place there?
I wouldn't be too surprised if it was a new 250/500 look for the '09 model year. Wheels look the same as the old 250, and it's definitely a parallel twin from the exhaust behind the front wheel.
It just looks like the ninja 650r to me, but with a different exhaust...
Quote from: CasiUSA on September 05, 2007, 07:17:37 AM
Quote from: OgGy on September 05, 2007, 06:35:23 AM
Not sure, sport bikes with less than 600 cc don'r really sell over here (Europe) and as far as I know the ZX6R is the smallest Kawasaki selling in Europe. Judging by the tires on that pic this is definitely a smaller bike, and the headlight is almost exactly the same as on the new Z750 so I'd say it's something new.
Unless of course it's something that's been available only in Japan because of their laws (they encourage small displacements)
What part of Europe are you from :icon_confused: ?
I thought Small displacement sportbikes were all over the place there?
OgGy is right.
Class <500cc is slowly disappearing round here, under this point of view the situation in my country (Italy) is worse than in other EU countries. You'll hardly see small bikes, there's a huuuuuge gap between 125cc's and 600 cc's (except for scooters and dirtbikes, it's just another world).
What a pity. I do like 400-500 cc bikes. Especially 400's, 'cause their insurance costs are pretty ridiculous. My secret dream is a used GSF Bandit 400. :icon_mrgreen:
i actually considered the nina 250 for a first bike. if kawi actually produced a 250 that looked like the the bigger bikes i would jump on it. nice price for a beginner bike i think. the 250 i sat on felt really "flimsy". (for lack of better word)
Quote from: CasiUSA on September 05, 2007, 07:17:37 AM
Quote from: OgGy on September 05, 2007, 06:35:23 AM
Not sure, sport bikes with less than 600 cc don'r really sell over here (Europe) and as far as I know the ZX6R is the smallest Kawasaki selling in Europe. Judging by the tires on that pic this is definitely a smaller bike, and the headlight is almost exactly the same as on the new Z750 so I'd say it's something new.
Unless of course it's something that's been available only in Japan because of their laws (they encourage small displacements)
What part of Europe are you from :icon_confused: ?
I thought Small displacement sportbikes were all over the place there?
I'm from Croatia, and as Simon said small displacement sportbikes are really rare these days.
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Where in Istria, actually? :icon_mrgreen:
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Finally a confirmation - it is the new ninja 250, sales starts in April 2008 (in Europe, dont know about USA)
awesome.. is there a 500cc version too?
where did you find this confirmation?
If they make a 500 that looks like that it will absolutely revolutionize the small displacement market. I know plenty of people that have gone with zx6r and gix6 options simply because of the aesthetics over the small displacement offerings.
yeah. if the 250 or 500 has the look of the bigger bikes, i think that will make a huge impact on sales. i've felt that the ninja 500 and 250 are long over-due for a cosmetic make-over.
ill take one in black
Quote from: spcterry on September 04, 2007, 10:41:36 PM
Yeah, but I'd give all those literbike f%$kers a run for their money :icon_mrgreen:
Would you now? 8)
Quote from: afi1 on September 21, 2007, 08:01:25 PM
Quote from: spcterry on September 04, 2007, 10:41:36 PM
Yeah, but I'd give all those literbike f%$kers a run for their money :icon_mrgreen:
Would you now? 8)
On a 500cc 2 stroke? I imagine he would... assuming he didn't squid himself straight into a canyon wall first.. :laugh:
Yeah, a good 500cc 2 stroke would eat a gix1k for lunch :icon_twisted: Too bad they don't make em................................
Quote from: spcterry on September 22, 2007, 09:57:21 AM
Yeah, a good 500cc 2 stroke would eat a gix1k for lunch :icon_twisted: Too bad they don't make em................................
If it was a production 2 stroke, it couldn't have the gobbs of power that the GP bikes had. If it'll run a 9 sec. quarter, then we might talk about some cash to race for...
GP bikes were production, just not readily available. An NSR, or the like would eat a 600 for lunch without much problem given a skilled rider. Going by that same logic a 500cc 2 stroke would probably be capable of 160+ on the wheel when tuned appropriately and weigh 70-100 lbs less than a gix1k. For lunch dammit. Jughead is, or was, working on dropping an old T500 motor into a GS, that would be a hell of a beast.
so terry your talking bout a bike that will weigh 300lbs or less and have better than 160hp at the rear tire? i wonder....could the frame of the ninja 250 handle such a power set up? they are allready light and nimble. the same principle applies when race tunning a car. lightest car with the most power. 8)
Excuse me. When I said production, I was refering to a street bike. But if you want to compare apples to oranges, lets take a AMA Superbike. 200 or so horse power to the crank, and about 380lbs. Show me a production "Street" two stroke that'll put down 160 hp reliably, off the dealer floor, and I'll show you a liter bike that will, stock; and take 20,000 miles of abuse too.
You wanna talk production. Word is, there's a german company that in 08 or 09 is putting out a supercharged diesel 'superbike'. Try grasping this. 180rwhp and somewhere in the range of 250lbs/ft of torque. :o sub 400 dry weight. And the last i heard they were aiming for 12-13k as a price range.
That will be a stock, production bike, that would absolutely destroy even an AMA superbike, while still getting 60-80mpg :bowdown:
The germans are friggin nuts :icon_twisted:
There is a magazine you might have heard of, it's called Superbike? Anyway, they had a free DVD in one of their magazines with a Supercharged RocketIII. The bike made over 200bhp. They raced the Rocket up agianst a K6 GSX-R1000. Guess who won? And how did we end up talking about desiels anyway. There's an American company called "Boss Hoss" who puts anything from a 327ci V8 up to a 502ci V8 in bikes. They're considered production and street legal. Some of the 502's make north of 500bhp. Lets see a 100mph roll on; though the Boss would have to have a 360 with like 2psi and a passenger on the back to hook up.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fI_GvCl8ei8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=n3hT_MY2czo
well, comparing gasoline engines to diesel engines really isn't a fair comparison. it's no secret that diesel engines have more potential for greater hp numbers. and do it while making good mileage. i believe a gentlemen by the name of banks has created some amazing diesel engines.
High speed, it's a superbike, so yes, it would be a contender with liter bikes. Ohhh and check here about 2 strokes.......500cc putting out 200+hp :icon_twisted:
http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-1564.html
Amen, diesel is the wave of the future :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
You just can't beat it. I'm restoring an 82 240d, and getting almost 40mpg out of it. On the other hand, my dad has a remapped 2005 e320, that will devastate a camaro or mustang and hold it's own with with higher quality sports cars. That thing scared the hell out of me the first time I drove it. I punched the pedal down expecting the usual diesel chug :laugh: Damn thing barked the tires at 40 and slammed me into the seat :icon_twisted:
Edit- I was wrong about the hp of the twin star, it's comparable to a 750, but the torque is unmatched.
www.bankspower.com/twin-turbo-comparison.cfm check that out. that's the thing i was trying to find earlier. :thumb:
wouldn't having 800 ft-lbs of torque be awesome?
Dude, you could tow a friggin building with that kind of power :cookoo:
the whole time making respectable gas mileage. with about 650-1100 hp. :icon_lol: :thumb:
I never bashed diesle; I'm a diesle mechanic for God's sake. But all the 2 stroke numbers you've been raddling off have been race bikes. A comperably built GP bike like last years RC211V made about 260bhp.
What about a worked Kawasaki H2? I don't know numbers, but I'd guess they HAVE to be putting down well over 100HP, and don't weigh much...
This guy (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kawasaki-KH750-2-STROKE-TRIPLE-KAWASAKI-H2-CAFE-RACER-KH500-500-750-H1R-H2R-750-MACH_W0QQitemZ260154120486QQihZ016QQcategoryZ6710QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) did some major work to his.. I understand that it's not "production" after he did all that.. but the pics and video of his bike are amazing, so I had to share..
Quote from: jserio on September 21, 2007, 09:13:07 AM
where did you find this confirmation?
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2007/September/sept10-16/sep13072008kawasaki250ccninjahitormiss/?&R=EPI-94578
I actually got it of another site, but that one's in croatian so that wouldn't mean much to most people here. It was a dealer announcement that basically said that the new ninja 250 will be available in 2008
ty. i saw another site as well. but as you mentioned it was in a language i couldn't read. i'm guessing it was the same site you mentioned. ty for the other link. :thumb:
That old Kawi was clean. My uncle has an old 70's two stroke 3cyl 750 that's been sitting up forever. I'll restore it one day...
Hmm I am liking the looks of that new 250.
Now I wonder if they are going to give it a proper suspension. If so that could be a really fun track toy.
I'm tellin' ya, that little Kawi 250 looks like a winner. It all comes down to pricing. Any buyers ready to plunk down $4500 for a parts-bin 250? :dunno_white: Sub-$4000 and it may make a dent in the market.
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MSRP: $3,499
One look at the new Ninja 250R tells everyone that this bike is the genuine article. With a new full-fairing similar to the Ninja ZX-6R and -10R supersport bikes, a single kicked-up muffler, UNI-TRAK® rear suspension, high-performance petal disc brakes and a dual seat, this is the most stylish performer in its category.
Compact size, exceptional personality and a low price tag highlight Kawasaki's new Ninja® 250R quarter-liter performer. Considering how much fun it is to ride and the fact that it's the only 250cc sportbike sold in the U.S., it's no wonder the Ninja 250R has been a strong seller for over a decade. Its successful blend of a rider-friendly engine, easy-to-operate chassis and supersport styling worthy of its Ninja moniker, this model was developed to offer real world performance to riders of all skill levels and goes to show that good things do come in small packages.
At the core of the lightweight Ninja 250R is an engine that thrives on high-rpm excitement. The gutsy 249cc parallel twin has been retuned to spice up its smooth and predictable power delivery. It now offers more low- and mid-range torque thanks to revisions to its dual overhead camshafts and a new 2-into-1 exhaust system. A silky smooth six-speed transmission tops off the sportbike equipment list, enabling the 250R to exploit a powerband that's sure to please riders with its beginner friendly low-end grunt and a lively top-end rush that'll keep seasoned veterans satisfied. The coup de' grace, is its ability to deliver excellent fuel economy.
The 250R's new fairing and windscreen not only look great, they deliver improved wind protection for a wide range of riding situations. This lightweight sportbike is loaded with even more rider-friendly features such as an easy-to-read instrument panel and positive neutral finder.
A natural riding position and comfortable ergonomics combined with its lightweight handling, easy controllability and improved throttle response make the 250R a pleasure to ride on city streets. Also new for 2008 are larger 17-inch wheels that offer great handling and improved stability. A larger 290mm front brake rotor is gripped by a powerful 2-piston caliper to provide a healthy dose of stopping power with a responsive feel at the lever. Like Kawasaki's other sport models, the Ninja 250R is fitted with petal discs for efficient heat dissipation.
The simple formula of providing easy-handling agility, lightweight responsiveness, and low ownership costs make the Ninja 250R a force to be reckoned with in the entry-level sportbike category.
info stolen from HERE
That is a hot looking little cricket ! I certainly would love to have one to toy with :thumb:
If they make a 500R that looks like that... I'd trade my GS in on the first one available here in ATL...
hey BP the link where you got your info??? where did ya get it? :dunno_white:
nevermind buddy. i found it! :thumb: kawasaki has updated their website. what about release dates?
why wouldn't they have updated the 500 at the same time? they basically had the same style.
Hmmm...If I sell my Mustang I could have a fun little track bike...
Quote from: CndnMax on September 25, 2007, 11:14:26 PM
why wouldn't they have updated the 500 at the same time? they basically had the same style.
The 500 is a goner. The fuel injected 650R is the next step up from the 250R.
It does look really cool, BUT, if it sells for $3500, I'd pay the extra $500 and get a GS...cause then you would have a 500cc at least
2007 GS500F 2008 Ninja 250R
MSRP: $5,199.00 MSRP: $3,499
With those numbers aside, i haven't seen or heard anything about suzuki making an 08 model GS. either way, i think i may go after one of those new 250s. i like the way they look and it would be easy on the pocket book.
Motorcycle News had an article out about the new 250. In it, they mention the possibility of a Versys style bike based on the new 250R.
I would definitely look at one of those for my commuting duty. Especially if they get as good of MPGs as the regular 250.
BeSafe.
Quote from: NiceGuysFinishLast on September 23, 2007, 09:31:04 PM
What about a worked Kawasaki H2? I don't know numbers, but I'd guess they HAVE to be putting down well over 100HP, and don't weigh much...
This guy (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kawasaki-KH750-2-STROKE-TRIPLE-KAWASAKI-H2-CAFE-RACER-KH500-500-750-H1R-H2R-750-MACH_W0QQitemZ260154120486QQihZ016QQcategoryZ6710QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) did some major work to his.. I understand that it's not "production" after he did all that.. but the pics and video of his bike are amazing, so I had to share..
Yeap I would love to buy that Bike.I know Cody pretty well from the Kawasaki and Suzuki Boards.They have Massaged a Kawasaki H2 to Around 240HP with reed Setups. :thumb:
Another Guy I know from the Kawasaki,Suzuki and Yamahaha board put a Yamahaha RD350 in a 91 EX250.Here's the Video he Just Posted. :thumb:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EImFWe_qPfk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EImFWe_qPfk)
my local dealer just emailed me back bout the new 250. doesn't have an exact date for me yet but told me the first of the year. said that sportbikes are the last to be released especially when there is a model change. so they will keep in touch with me and let me know when they get an exact date. :thumb:
make a 500 ill buy one.