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Please pay attention to this. Now's the time to vote if you don't already. Please check the following links for important information concerning your rights as a motorcycle rider.
This bill is scheduled to go in front of the Florida House of Representatives for consideration:
http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sectio...7&Session=2008
The long ang the short of it is any motorcyclist (specifically motorcyclist) who is charged for speeding >30mph over, or reckless driving, on the first offense, is subject to seizure and forfeiture of their motorcycle, permanent revocation of their motorcycle endorsement, and imprisonment.
Contact your representative here:
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Welcome/index.cfm
I can not stress to you how important it is that this law not be passed. Please do all you can to ensure this bill does not happen. Please pass this message along on myspace and any motorcycle forums you happen to belong to.
PLEASE POST THIS AS WELL!!!!
Why? Do you want to the freedom to be reckless? It should apply to cagers as well, though.
Not sure this is a GS500 related topic anyway. It's not so easy to be reckless and drive >30 mph over the limit on my GS. 8)
BH
I agree with BassHz, you deserve to lose your bike if you're that dumb. You could hurt yourself and others very easily at normal speeds much less 30 over.
It should only be passed if a similar law is passed for cagers. That Porsche Cayenne going 130 down the interstate is 100 times as dangerous as a bike. If the legislature is willing to pass a general law of that nature for all vehicles I say 'Hell yeah'
But, until that time it's a poorly informed and bigoted decision based of a poor view of all motorcycle riders.
Dead links. I tried the 'search' but it sucked. Gave up.
As far as my opinion about reckless riding, it sucks. The wife tells me about some lame squid 3-4 times weekly. This is usually while she and my son are in the car going wherever. Yes, I'd like to kick some of them in the balls. Others are just out having fun. There is a difference. We all know this. So do the cops.
I've seen cops shake their finger at me for making noise, riding a little too fast, etc. I don't temp them, they leave me alone.
Now, if I were caught in a 2 mile wheelie on the Gandy (bridge, dragstrip, depends on the time of day) by a U-LEO, I'd EXPECT my license gone and bike impounded. Stupid gets what stupid does.
2 cents :)
there are many states which such laws. maine for example has "criminal" speeding which is anything 35 over the posted limit. penalties vary but losing your vehicle is one of them
Quote from: Sinthetic on October 04, 2007, 02:25:33 PM
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Please pay attention to this. Now's the time to vote if you don't already. Please check the following links for important information concerning your rights as a motorcycle rider.
The long ang the short of it is any motorcyclist (specifically motorcyclist) who is charged for speeding >30mph over, or reckless driving, on the first offense, is subject to seizure and forfeiture of their motorcycle, permanent revocation of their motorcycle endorsement, and imprisonment.
I can not stress to you how important it is that this law not be passed. Please do all you can to ensure this bill does not happen. Please pass this message along on myspace and any motorcycle forums you happen to belong to.
Well now we have identified a squid among us :) A plea to make a law fight racers on the roads of FL...
Why should it be fought?, as far as I am concerned, it should be supported by the motorcyclist communities.
Texas has a over 23MPH = reckless endangerment, > 2x the speed ie: 120MPH in a 60MPH = spend time in jail auto, do not pass go, do not collect 200$. (grin)
people asking to fight it, are usually part of the root cause of why laws are being created to fight "speedsters" on the road...If you like speed, be a man, take it to the track.. Oh no wait that would mean you would have to wear armor, helmet and other protection and actually have to deal with real riders on a close track. :) humm... go figure.
cheers flame away.
Quote from: BassHz on October 04, 2007, 05:35:43 PM
Why? Do you want to the freedom to be reckless? It should apply to cagers as well, though.
BH
+1 In Indiana, Tennessee, and several other states, the speed limit on the interstate is 70 mph. In that case you would have to be traveling in excess of 100 mph. In Indiana anything over 20mph is considered reckless driving, and you can be arrested. I'm in favor of this 100%. Think about it a school zone is 20 mph. A rider would have to be over 50mph. I don't want any idiot riding at that speed around my child on the way to school. My neighborhood has a 30mph speed limit. Anyone doing over 60 down my road would certainly piss me off.
There is NO need to go 30 mph over at ANY time. Have I done it? Unfortunately, yes. But, if I had been caught, I would have accepted the consequences. (I know that on the Cherohala last year, we were pushin' that envelope several times)
I do, though, agree that this law should be carried over to autos. Speeding motorcycles usually kill themselves. Speeding SUV's? That's a different story entirely!
Hold on there boys!!!...and any ladies deigning to join us. He's not a squid just because he doesn't want to see this legislation pass. Does anyone here really want to see someone lose there bike for any reason? WHAT IF IT WAS YOUR BIKE BEING HAULED OFF? As far as speeding goes...to each his own. IMHO speed is what a motorcycle is made for. I went riding after bike night last night and we didn't really spend much time below triple digits. Granted we kept it on highways, later at night, and everyone else was on a liter bike but in reality that is what I built my machine for. As for "being a man and keeping it on the track" one- that cost money. two- I know plenty of talented riders who simply WANT to take it to the streets. three- what if you live hours away from a track? Anyway I wouldn't ever wish that on someone. And NO ONE hear can say they've never done anything illegal on a bike! Lose the insubstantial soap boxes and relax, take it easy, and chill. Just my 2cents. Ride safe!Ride smart!Ride hard!
Yea.. I can see harsh penalties but in no way should they be able to take posession of your vehicle :flipoff: Thats just plain sillly. What if you have a $30,000 bike... you loose it just for going 60 in a 35 ??? No way!
30 miles over? :cookoo:
i agree with both sides, both ideas i think should be adopted, wreckless operation of a VEHICLE should result in loss of posession. crashing on a bike kills you, crashing a 6000 lb car kills PEOPLE. just like drinking and driving, you end up creating a weapon out of your vehicle.
Frankly anywhere but the track, the speed limit is there for a reason. having just been in a suburban accident, if u were doing 55 in a 25 ur funkin retarded. u deserve to lose your bike. what if someone cuts you off ( like me) you would have splatted on the road or their car . instead of seeing it coming and having even a split second to react, u wouldnt have even been able to flinch before you hit the car. lets face it, barring a track environment, there are sharp hard pointy objects all over and no earthly reason to excessively speed.
i enjoy going fast, but if ur doing it, get to a track or go out in the boonies where the cops are hillbillies and wont chase you anyway.
Quote from: elric8467 on October 05, 2007, 05:50:14 AM
WHAT IF IT WAS YOUR BIKE BEING HAULED OFF?
If it was my bike, it would be because I loaned it to some jerk who broke the law with it.
Quote from: elric8467 on October 05, 2007, 05:50:14 AM
As far as speeding goes...to each his own. IMHO speed is what a motorcycle is made for. I went riding after bike night last night and we didn't really spend much time below triple digits.
Granted we kept it on highways, later at night, and everyone else was on a liter bike but in reality that is what I built my machine for. As for "being a man and keeping it on the track" one- that cost money. two- I know plenty of talented riders who simply WANT to take it to the streets. three- what if you live hours away from a track?
I live four hours from the nearest track. UHaul rents a motorcycle trailer for $15/day.
For those who WANT to race on the street.... man, I really WANT to kill some of my co-workers, but it's f'n illegal and wrong. D'oh.
Quote from: pbureau69 on October 05, 2007, 04:12:49 AM
Quote from: Sinthetic on October 04, 2007, 02:25:33 PM
repost from myspace bulletin
Please pay attention to this. Now's the time to vote if you don't already. Please check the following links for important information concerning your rights as a motorcycle rider.
The long ang the short of it is any motorcyclist (specifically motorcyclist) who is charged for speeding >30mph over, or reckless driving, on the first offense, is subject to seizure and forfeiture of their motorcycle, permanent revocation of their motorcycle endorsement, and imprisonment.
I can not stress to you how important it is that this law not be passed. Please do all you can to ensure this bill does not happen. Please pass this message along on myspace and any motorcycle forums you happen to belong to.
Well now we have identified a squid among us :) A plea to make a law fight racers on the roads of FL...
Why should it be fought?, as far as I am concerned, it should be supported by the motorcyclist communities.
Texas has a over 23MPH = reckless endangerment, > 2x the speed ie: 120MPH in a 60MPH = spend time in jail auto, do not pass go, do not collect 200$. (grin)
people asking to fight it, are usually part of the root cause of why laws are being created to fight "speedsters" on the road...If you like speed, be a man, take it to the track.. Oh no wait that would mean you would have to wear armor, helmet and other protection and actually have to deal with real riders on a close track. :) humm... go figure.
cheers flame away.
you know i was just trying to be informative...im sorry your suck a fu*king loser that you cant appreciate that so now why dont you go outside and play hide and go fu*k yourself
to everyone else thanks for the info on your states..sorry the links gone.
have fun
i think the problem isn't the law itself it's that it's only valid for motorcycles, if you are going to make a law like this make it for every vehicle out there.
Quote from: CndnMax on October 06, 2007, 06:04:26 PM
i think the problem isn't the law itself it's that it's only valid for motorcycles, if you are going to make a law like this make it for every vehicle out there.
Word. Those douchebags who tailgate people at 70+ mph in their huge SUVs deserve this law more than anyone else. It would make a whole lot more sense if this law was directed towards these people in unnecessarily large vehicles.
Quote from: CndnMax on October 06, 2007, 06:04:26 PM
i think the problem isn't the law itself it's that it's only valid for motorcycles, if you are going to make a law like this make it for every vehicle out there.
Definitely. While I don't know if you can lump "choice of transportation" in with other defining characteristics of protected classes (race, sex, age) I still would like to think this type of law would be struck down on 14th amendment grounds.
(Yeah, I had to look it up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause)
edit:
My point is, if people are really clamoring for a law against "those people" then make it apply to them as well, and make damn sure that justice is blind and equally applied. Maybe when some politician gets their car impounded for doing 90 on the highway we'll see if the law sticks.
Quote from: ohgood on October 04, 2007, 07:01:51 PM
Dead links. I tried the 'search' but it sucked. Gave up.
As far as my opinion about reckless riding, it sucks. The wife tells me about some lame squid 3-4 times weekly. This is usually while she and my son are in the car going wherever. Yes, I'd like to kick some of them in the balls. Others are just out having fun. There is a difference. We all know this. So do the cops.
I've seen cops shake their finger at me for making noise, riding a little too fast, etc. I don't temp them, they leave me alone.
Now, if I were caught in a 2 mile wheelie on the Gandy (bridge, dragstrip, depends on the time of day) by a U-LEO, I'd EXPECT my license gone and bike impounded. Stupid gets what stupid does.
2 cents :)
oh i've seen the 2 mile wheelies over the gandy. that place gets broken up too easily though and i've seen too many bad wrecks from people being idiots. ah the memories. i've seen quite a few bikes racin over the bayside a lot more often now tho. new hotspot?
Quote from: elric8467 on October 05, 2007, 05:50:14 AM
Hold on there boys!!!...and any ladies deigning to join us. He's not a squid just because he doesn't want to see this legislation pass. Does anyone here really want to see someone lose there bike for any reason? WHAT IF IT WAS YOUR BIKE BEING HAULED OFF? As far as speeding goes...to each his own. IMHO speed is what a motorcycle is made for. I went riding after bike night last night and we didn't really spend much time below triple digits. Granted we kept it on highways, later at night, and everyone else was on a liter bike but in reality that is what I built my machine for. As for "being a man and keeping it on the track" one- that cost money. two- I know plenty of talented riders who simply WANT to take it to the streets. three- what if you live hours away from a track? Anyway I wouldn't ever wish that on someone. And NO ONE hear can say they've never done anything illegal on a bike! Lose the insubstantial soap boxes and relax, take it easy, and chill. Just my 2cents. Ride safe!Ride smart!Ride hard!
Ok, this is one of the most irresponsible posts I've read in a long while. :nono: You're condoning breaking the law because tracks are inconvenient and pricey? As for the "WHAT IF IT WAS YOUR BIKE"...if I knew the law, and I drove
recklessly anyway, I would accept losing my bike because those are the consequences, and I took the unnecessary risk.
P.S. I never said I didn't do anything illegal (read my above post). It's just that, somewhere in the back of my mind, the adrenaline rush comes from knowing that if I get caught, I'm done. I wouldn't want laws like that to be shot down, because that would be giving bike riders an out to be idiots. Also, my quicker runs are nearly always on sparsely populated remote country roads, unlike the squids that go down the road in front of my house, in my urban neighborhood, where my daughter and many other children play, on one wheel at ridiculous speeds. The limit on my road is 30mph btw. Speed is what a motorcycle is made for? Well, the Z28 is drag limited to about 160. A Corvette can do 180+, a Porshe Cayenne can do nearly 170. Those are vehicle designed to go fast, so by your logic, it should be OK to let them do just that on public roads. Next time, think a little before you post such easily discredited prose.
in california:
wreckless driving = jail time
street racing = automatic impound of vehicle
nuff said.
I think you still miss the point!!! We buy bikes to go fast, what are they for? You say irresponsible I say realistic! And who do you think you are? By doing something illegal your not in any way condoning said action??? :flipoff: You just did it your self.... I guess it's okay for you to do it just not anyone else? I'll bet you did something illegal on the way to work this morning!!l You can pretend to be righteous but your just a poser. We all speed. Its fun. Its why we have bikes. If you think other wise youre only kidding youself! You would accept your consequences and forfeit your bike? And I never said you should speed at every oppurtunity, just that the reprocussions for doing so shouldn't be so severe. I'm not saying go out and do a buck seventy in your porche, especially not in a residential neighborhood, just that if you do the state shouldn't be able to seize your vehichle and send it to auction! Next time you feel like being someones mama go grab one of your kids and subject THEM to your personal brand of stupidity. You have no right to be so rude to anyone especially when I was perfectly polite. :nono: This is a forum for oppinions not as*ho!es!!!!!!
Elric i think your missing the point.
People arn't saying they don't or havn't sped. What they are saying is that RECKLESS speeding and RECKLESS driving are what this law is there for.
Here in the UK if your on a motorway in the middle of the night and theres barely cars around and your doing say 110mph on your bike most likely the cop will pull you over. Put the willies into you and have you convinced you've lost the bike, lost your license and you will never ride again then at the end of you soiling your undergarments they will simply wave the ticket and tell you that ok it wasn't dangerous to others, if you fall off you are going to kill/hurt yourself but at the end of the day they want to CHANGE your attitude not make you hate cops and hate the law and go out there just to break it.
I will openly admit i've sped. And openly admit i ride with an ex police motorcyclist. We've commonly hit 80mph riding on an unpopulated country lane. However we wouldn't go and tell our best mate that he can go speed because you don't condone it. Its your own choice to speed, if you choose to speed you do so in a manner which is suitable and safer. Police are mostly not out to get you they want you to be safe. On a motorway nearly everyone is breaking the speed limit it would be impossible for you to ride on a motorway without doing it. In this case it isn't unsafe because you are moving at the same speed as the traffic to PREVENT an accident. This is why i 200% disagree with the law here in the UK that when your 16 you can only ride a bike limited to 50cc and 30mph. Its dangerous and stupid and more scooter riders are hit by cars trying to overtake them, or because they met them on a blind corner going slow than a scooter rider does damage to anyone else. You ride your bike for the situation you are in, you think sensibly about what your doing and ride safe. You don't speed through residential areas or cities AT ALL theres too many people, objects, traffic for it to ever be safe. However if your in the middle of nowhere riding down a country road then i wouldn't argue if you pushed the speed limit every so often.
I know. He just ticked me off. Speeding is against the law. I'm not saying we should all pull 180 on the morning commute just that I don't the the state should be able to take your bike and sell it if you are cought speeding. At the same time speed is what a motorcycle is made for, if not we'd all be on 25hp scooters, correct? I just don't want to see people passing judgement when they are guilty of commiting the same crime everyday, no matter the extent. I'm not trying to be irresponsible merley illuminate the hypocricy. To each his own and not another word I'll say.
Elric, you obviously just glossed over my post. The law is a good one but should be expanded to include ANY vehicle. Even if that law is passed, it will likely not deter people from speeding, but at least they'll know what the REAL consequences are. Whatever dude. Believe what you like, but I think that someone doing more than 30 over the speed limit should have the fear of losing their vehicle. Again, here in Indiana, if you're doing more than 20mph over the limit in any kind of vehicle, it's reckless driving, you can have your car impounded, lose your license, get fined, and go to jail. Any or all of the above. Florida is behind the times on this law. WTF, why do I care about your state's stupid law, I'm happy with ours. Good luck with that, dude.
I seriously doubt the impound lot will be full of bikes whose owners were doing 90 in a 60 mph zone. Hell, I was darn close to that in the "Bikers for Babies" ride a few weeks ago. Just because a law allows a given penalty doesn't mean it will be enforced in every situation. I'm sure the cops can tell the squidiots from someone out having a little fun. But be warned that you are aware of the consequences for pushing the limits and don't be surprised if you're behaving like a jerk that you are treated like one.
I agree with the concept of this law but it should extend to all vehicles and maybe this one shouldn't be passed until it does. There's a certain bit of hypocracy with the state allowing manufacturers to build racing bikes and sell them as street legal anyway.
What's the deal with the "bikes are created for speed" line? The GS500 is not famous for it's top end and others, like cruisers, are built for the comfort and freedom of open air riding. I believe it's possible to be in control and have fun at the same time.
BH
Quote from: oramac on October 05, 2007, 04:57:02 AM
There is NO need to go 30 mph over at ANY time.
Come to Northern VA/MD - 495/95 ... I used to drive both every day. The average speed ... AVERAGE .. was 80+ One of the reasons I moved to an SV from the GS was because I didn't feel safe riding on the highways because the bike didn't have enough power to keep up and/or get out of the way.
Around here, 30+ is not uncommon - then again, VA is now saying that if you break 80mph, you get to pay ~$5000 over time (extreme example but that's what it can work out to).
What!?! You mean my GS isn't really a scooter after all? Could have fooled me. It is my commuter. It can hardly get out the way of it's own shadow. I didn't buy it to go fast but it will, eventually, get above the speed limit. I admit I have done it too. 80 in a 65-70 is just keeping up.
Now for fun let's talk V Strom. I rode my dad's a couple of weeks ago up in the hills of northern Arkansas. Talk about deserted. What a blast!! No chicken strips left after that run.
I do know a guy that got off on the same road in excess of 130 into the armco. Helicopter ride for him. He is okay now and still rides but not like that anymore. His riding partner on that day just told me a couple weeks ago that he is looking to sell his BMW K1200. Just woke up one day and thought " I don't need this anymore" To him it is no fun wetting your pants every time you see a cop 'cause you know you are going entirely too fast. He says his bike is no fun under 120. He does work as service manager for a Honda stealer so he gets to ride every day but he will no longer have his own. A wife and two young kids to support had something to do with it too, just because he knows what happens when he gets on one. It was the same on his Goldwing. You just can't imagine. He has made a conscious decision. We all do the same thing every time we get on one.
There are killers out there, in cages and on two wheels. We each decide how close to becoming one we want to be by how much throttle we feed it, how much attention we pay to what is going on around us, how much protection we choose to wear, the list goes on. Make the law even across the board for all then it is up to each of us how we deal with it.