PLease, please watch this video. This man is for real. There is so much material out there. Look him up. I dare you to make a difference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97wghBjEmNY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWfIhFhelm8
Ron paul is all for our constitution which has all but dissapeared. He is technically a Republican, but all I see is that HE is the man we need NOW!
If you like this spread the word. This is what we need to fix this country. Our dollar is tanking. No offence Canada, but our dollar is worth less than Canada's now.
We are going down a dark tunnel. Lets fix it.
Ron Paul for President!
-Anti 8)
oh come on....lets not get into this crap
Quote from: The Antibody on October 11, 2007, 03:17:14 PM
No offence Canada, but our dollar is worth less than Canada's now.
I laughed soo hard when i found out the us dollar was actually worth less then the Canadian dollar :laugh: :laugh:
TBH ( unfortunately) paul has a rats chance in hell of being elected. but he might get enough votes, where hitlery becomes president :o :o :o
This is the guy you really need like Antibody. He has it absolutly bang on the nail.
Fook off out of other peoples countries and focus on getting your own one right first :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Only wish Mr. Brown had abit more of this attitude. Perhaps we could Ron Paul for Prime minister!
Ron Paul was on Bill Maher's show on HBO in August and is a bright guy. I actually already voted for him for president once. He was the Libertarian Party candidate in 1984 and I voted for him then. Since then, my libertarian views have remained constant with regard to civil liberties, but I have become a supporter of expanded government in some areas (health care, for example).
Unfortunately, he is way too logical of a thinker to be elected. He will not be a corporate whore, so he has no chance to raise enough money for the media to take him seriously. He does have a HUGE grass-roots organization going -- probably more than any other candidate in the GOP. He would be the strongest candidate the GOP could offer next year.
I want Stephen Colbert to run..............seriously :thumb:
No matter what, that last view of the flag waving in the breeze got to me, man I hate when that happens. I agree with most of what he said, thank God that we live in a system where there are people like Mr. Paul who have the freedom to speak their minds. I have been to places in this world where he would have been strung up talking about the government like that. But it is true, I am tired of the crap my taxes pay for that have nothing to do the effective operation of the government and the protection of our people. :bs: Where I work I see a bad future for us if we continue on the path that we are on. Let me tell you folks it is only going to get worse if we dont get off our apothetic rear ends and save our Republic. Thanks for sharing the video. :thumb:
Usually if it sounds to be too good to be true it Usually is.I hate to say it but it's going to take more than one Man (Or Woman) to Change this Country and/or World.It's going to take the House and Senate too.It's Not going to Happen without Electing All new People or another Revolution (or Civil War).A Civil War or Revolution will never Happen because it would turn into Total Anarchy because of the Difference of Strong Beliefs between everyone.
Right now I would Trust a Dirt Poor Farmer to run Our Country than some of these Assholes that know what they (Supposedly) are Doing.Our Founding Fathers Started From Scratch on the Ideal Plan for the Ideal Government that worked Flawlessly in it's Infancy until the Civil War.It still worked Pretty well until Korea but has Slowly Degraded to the Point of what we Have today.
Getting rid of the IRS? Sure I would like to see it but it's one of those Needed Evils that Makes the World Go Around.Without the IRS Where's the Money going to come from for Welfare,Grants,ETC.ETC. I guess they would just have to Come up with Another Agency to do the Same thing only to a Larger Extreme.
All I can say is if I have to vote I'm not going to pick the Best Talking Head.I thought About doing Eenny,meeny,minney,moe on the Right Side but What the Hell One Actor Ran the Country During the 80's.Fred Looks Like a Pretty good Feller too Me.
Politics is a Pretty Complex Subject.Actually It Shouldn't be.The World Should be ran by Everyday People instead of Doctors,Lawyers,Used Car Salesmen ETC. I'm sure it would Take some Education to do the Job but Sometimes Education Lacks Common Horse Sense.
i have to agree with juggy here. :o in the sense that a degree in ANYTHING does not mean you're smarter than those around you. we have a Manufacturing Engineer at our plant. Not sure how long he went to school. he recently crashed our new, not yet ready for production, $500,000 machine. :cookoo: :o now, had another cnc operator such as myself been at the controls of this machine when it crashed, all hell would have broken loose and i'd be willing to bet that machinist would have been job hunting by the end of the day. but he's the Engineer, it can't possibly be his fault. it must be a machine malfuntion of some unforseen sort. :bs:
Really I've worked with too many Overly (Underly?) Educated People so far in my Life.Mostly Engineers that Couldn't stick their Finger in their Arse without somebody Giving them Directions. :laugh: The First one I worked for in the Heating and Air Trade when I was on Summer Break in High School.I worked tearing down Walk in Coolers with my cousin and a Friend.We had the Job Tearing one down in a Liquor Store.To make a long story short He held me up over one full day wondering how to take the Doors out. :icon_rolleyes: I finally Got up,Grabbed a Screwdriver and Took the frames out in one piece without taking the Doors out. :laugh: Well He Got Pissed and Stuck me in the Shop Cleaning and Repairing Ancient Air Conditioners for a Motel. :icon_rolleyes: :icon_rolleyes: I was Only Making $4.00 an Hour so It didn't take long for Him to "Let me go".My Friend and Cousin wasn't too far out the door Behind me. :laugh:
We Had Another Cooler to tear out and Replace in a NE Tennessee Regional Bakery.He or the Bakery Owner didn't tell us what to do with the Yeast Vat that was on the Inside.After talking to everyone from them to the Mayor of City Nobody Knew where the Shutoffs for the Yeast were in the Plant.I got pissed off and cut the Lines letting all of the Yeast in all of the lines Drain out in the Floor. :laugh: Then I done Burnouts with an Electric Forklift in the Middle of it. :laugh: :laugh: We got Banned from Ever Setting foot on their Property Again. :thumb:
My Cousin is Married to a girl that has all kinds of BS Degrees in Education and Engineering.Dad Had Her Believing that if you turned a Halogen Floor Lamp Up side Down that it created Enough Heat to Levitate off of the Floor. :laugh: :laugh:
Believe me I'm not Against An Education.I just Believe that you should Have a Mind to Back up the Education.I believe Most Politicians have had the Easy way thru Life.Born into a Job that a Gerbil could do better.At least a Gerbil would Spin it's Wheel without Screwing in Everyone's Life and Making them Miserable.
One good Bit of News I heard the Other day was that they Had Gotten rid of the Illegal Drug Tax Here in the State.Lets say oh you Grow 50 Pot Plants.Lets say you get Caught.Not only can you be Imprisoned for Growing an Illegal Substance and Also Charged with counts of Growing with Intent to resale they could Also Charge you for Tax Evasion for not paying Taxes on it.OK Who in the Hell is going to walk into the Local Court House walk up to the Counter and tell the County Clerk that they wanyed to pay the Taxes on their Crop. :icon_rolleyes: This isn't Just for Mary Jane.This Included Moonshine,Meth,Coke,Prescription Drugs ETC.
Thanks to Someone they finally Realized that the Law was Unconstitutional. :icon_rolleyes:
and damn, i wanted a pot stamp lol :laugh:, and teh LAST thing we need is govt involved in our healtcare. like i said, they could run a mcdonalds well, and ppl want to trust their healthcare to them?!?, maybe perhaps, making private insurance, easier to et into. but NOT govt run
To me the problem is easy to solve. Money runs the country. Institute public financing of campaigns so that politicians on either or all sides answer to NO ONE except John Q. Voter. No corporate money, no labor union money, just real solutions by people who aren't bought and paid for. No lobbyist lunches, trips, or payola.
It has nothing to to with education, per se. Education can only be good. It has to do with who needs money from whom. Right now, each party panders to those who give them money, NOT to the voters they allegedly represent.
i would also have to say that our electorial college thingy kinda sucks too. individual votes don't count for as much as they should in my opinion. seems here lately all you gotta do is get california and texas and florida to vote for you and your in. hell, that's only 3 of the 50 states! :bs:
Quote from: Jughead on October 12, 2007, 07:13:15 PM
Usually if it sounds to be too good to be true it Usually is.I hate to say it but it's going to take more than one Man (Or Woman) to Change this Country and/or World.It's going to take the House and Senate too.It's Not going to Happen without Electing All new People or another Revolution (or Civil War).A Civil War or Revolution will never Happen because it would turn into Total Anarchy because of the Difference of Strong Beliefs between everyone.
Right now I would Trust a Dirt Poor Farmer to run Our Country than some of these Assholes that know what they (Supposedly) are Doing.Our Founding Fathers Started From Scratch on the Ideal Plan for the Ideal Government that worked Flawlessly in it's Infancy until the Civil War.It still worked Pretty well until Korea but has Slowly Degraded to the Point of what we Have today.
Getting rid of the IRS? Sure I would like to see it but it's one of those Needed Evils that Makes the World Go Around.Without the IRS Where's the Money going to come from for Welfare,Grants,ETC.ETC. I guess they would just have to Come up with Another Agency to do the Same thing only to a Larger Extreme.
All I can say is if I have to vote I'm not going to pick the Best Talking Head.I thought About doing Eenny,meeny,minney,moe on the Right Side but What the Hell One Actor Ran the Country During the 80's.Fred Looks Like a Pretty good Feller too Me.
Politics is a Pretty Complex Subject.Actually It Shouldn't be.The World Should be ran by Everyday People instead of Doctors,Lawyers,Used Car Salesmen ETC. I'm sure it would Take some Education to do the Job but Sometimes Education Lacks Common Horse Sense.
Well, you're right that it will take more than one person to change the country. So where do you start? At the top?
When Dodge was drowning, they didn't make middle management changes and hope for the best. They brought in Iaccoca to make changes from the top. If our country makes changes, it needs to begin from the top. The effects can trickle down from there.
You call Income Tax a "needed evil?" It "makes the world go 'round?" What do you think our country did from 1776 until 1913 for money? People paid taxes, just not on income.
When the income tax amendment was ratified in 1913, it was set at a rate of 3%. With all the inflation we've had, it's amazing that some people are taxed at an amazing 50% rate, plus property tax, payroll tax, gas tax, school tax, local taxes, etc, etc, etc.
In 2005, Income tax made up 44% of our overall taxes. If we nixed income tax that year, our government would still have taken in over $1.5 trillion. That is approximately the amount our government took in altogether in the year 2000 (including income tax). That said, you can see how much our spending has increased when we still can't balance our budget and we dig a deeper debt, despite a tremendous increase in taxation.
The bottom line is our country spends too much money on government programs and too much money outside of our country, primarily spreading our military across the world.
The value of our dollar is taken a huge hit and it's really pretty straight forward to see why. We've:
-increasead spending
-cannot balance the budget, hence we've spent more than we've made
-we continue to make government programs, which require more taxes from the people
-the Federal Reserve just prints money endlessly, reducing the face value of our dollar
-the Fed has no gold to back any money it prints
Most people don't even know that the Federal Reserve is a privately owned bank that prints our nation's money. It even makes interest on the money it prints!
Our country doesn't have a bright future with everything that is happening, especially economically and regarding our individual freedoms. Where else can we begin to change it than from the top?
Here's a guy who has pushed for term limits for congressmen (something most Americans would like to see), never voted for pay increases (and even returns a % of his pay every year), wants to reduce our ever growing government and give more power to the states and people, wants to reduce spending and balance our budget, wants to give value back to our dollar...
.. and so many people just say, "He doesn't have a chance, so I probably won't vote for him."
I get frustrated that so many Americans don't open their eyes and they just trust the government is honest and protecting us. Our government was never meant to grow to this size, and the sad part is it seems like a select few become billionaires because of it.
Wow... thanks Adam.
And Frankie... you didn't even watch it did you? Don't waist our brain power if your not going to care or vote please.
We have to start somewhere. The Pres. sounds appropriate enough.
-Anti
Frankie, instead of incessantly bitching about American, why don't you just f%$king move. Go!!! Get the f%$k out!!!
You call yourself a veteran, but I've never met a veteran with your sorry ass outlook. Even those who don't agree with the current administration will be the first to admit that it is still the greatest country on earth. These veterans DO something about it. They put their time to good use by campaigning for the politician they believe would be best for their country, and find other venues through which to make a difference. Gosh, kinda like Antibody.
You're just a washed up has-been that's lost the true will to live. f%$k off and Die you slimey little twit.
Ok Ron Paul not too bad a choice he is the lesser of some evils but his attempts to appeal to the libs by trying to force early withdrawal from Iraq via cancelling funding does not sit well with me.
I really like Rudy as an individual and respect his ability to take command and make decisions. I disagree on his stance over firearms and tax poilicies.
McCain, OK the man is a war hero, unfortunately he is even further left of Rudy on gun control he will not get my primary vote.
Thompson I like his values and ethics. Unfortuneately when he served as a senator his career was lackluster, some even called him lazy. I believe he has a work ethic and it will come out if he is elected Thompson will get my primary vote.
Eh, I believe he's a better candidate than most of the republicans out there, but I can't really agree with him on everything. Do I not like paying taxes? Of course, but I know they are necessary- just like the tons of other things I don't like doing like cleaning my home, going to work every day and paying my bills.
I like his stance on Privacy and the "Patriot" Act, and the war. Having read his platform on his website, I found a few of the issues he's peddling a bit weird. The "Home Schooling Issue" (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/home-schooling/) just seems like a wierd sell, and I personally am not a fan. I think Home schooling breeds narrow-mindedness and socially maladjusted kids- the issue is fixing the school system.
If it's one thing I can wholeheartedly support him on, I definitely agree that spending is out of control, and that is both ruining our economy and increasing taxes. The amount of war spending is nauseating. I believe in social reform programs, but I agree that they need to be re-vamped to prevent/minimize abuse. These programs are all so mismanaged, that it is no wonder they seem so ineffective.
Oh, and to clarify, I'm going Obama 08. :thumb:
Quote from: CasiUSA on October 17, 2007, 08:36:28 AM
Oh, and to clarify, I'm going Obama 08. :thumb:
And if he doesn't win the primary and is not on the ballot?
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Quote from: CasiUSA on October 17, 2007, 08:36:28 AM
Oh, and to clarify, I'm going Obama 08. :thumb:
And if he doesn't win the primary and is not on the ballot?
Well, I won't vote Hillary and John Edwards is a duck, so maybe Rudy, although I am a bit pissed about his exploitation of 9/11.
*Editage* I just Found out Colbert is Making a presidential bid. SOLD :laugh:
Dont get me wrong I love RP. However I dont believe he'd even get out of the gate.
I also remember reading that he has raised a lot of $$ ... all from individuals or some such stuff. Thhis election is going to be decided on the BS issues like who smoked pot, who's against ghey and whos for abortion, not on the real issues like how is china screwing over the US or how has housing speculation screwed the currency and what Bernanke is doing to fan the flames and how he's going to help wall street rob the middle class and how inflation is going to rob the retirees. However who ever is in office the markets, and the laws of physics as it applies to them will take hold. Just that a president who can understand cause and effect is better than one who doesn't.
But ... another republican from texas ... sounds horrible doesn't it.
I love his desk banner "Dont steal. The government hates competetion".
Cool.
Srinath.
OK Srinath in the O and E and posting in a political bait thread after being AWOL for weeks. - OK guys you've now officially seen everything.
Quote from: CasiUSA on October 17, 2007, 10:20:13 AM
*Editage* I just Found out Colbert is Making a presidential bid. SOLD :laugh:
If Schwarzenegger can become the governator anything is possible :laugh: :laugh:
QuoteDo I not like paying taxes? Of course, but I know they are necessary- just like the tons of other things I don't like doing like cleaning my home, going to work every day and paying my bills.
Taxes are necessary, but forever increasing of taxes due to increasing of spending isn't. Just because a candidate says we need to raise taxes doesn't actually mean we need to. Most just don't want to cut our tremendous spending and they want to continue to add programs.
The best thing any individual can do in this country is educate his or herself on what each candidate actually stands for and understand the relevance (IE: is every candidate making realistic promises or even promising things that are good/bad for our country). Too many poeple write off their vote to the leading candidate on their respective ticket. I just think it's a shame and wish more Americans would understand what's happening in our country and what needs to happen to make our country more stable.
Short video about a straight forward economic plan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opl2m0vMJ0A
Schwarznegger was an easy winner as an independent. He should have stayed the hell away from the republicans. Now he really displeases the Rep loyals and he also displeases every one else with any political affiliation. However being CA, there are so many clueless immigrants (no offence but they aren't deeply educated about politics or they dont care) he gets by on name recognition and by parroting the popular opinion and by making a lot of noise about closing the barn door after the horse has run.
RP would be the right candidate to get the nation prepped for the eventuality that will hit us. The rest will all blindly lead the sheep to slaughter and go, we never saw it comming. What a shocking development. Man, inflation is sky rocketing. Must be illegal aliens and the chineese injecting us with their cheap goods and labor, and now they have to be paid back. OK grampa, hand over your pension.
Either way, the piper is comming and will have to be paid. Either plan for it, or have to pay and be unprepared and get screwed.
Cool.
Srinath.
seems to me the majority of politicians only interest is in whoever is funding their campaign. my two biggest gripes at this point is the high cost of fuel and illegal immigration. to me, both problems are not as complicated as washington would have us believe. "exxon-mobile breaks $8 billion in dollars in profits. price of gas though is said to continue to rise above $3 a gallon." all the while we still only actually pay around $75 a barrel. same price we paid for it when it was $1.50 a gallon. if you honestly don't think the oil companies aren't greasing someone's palm in washington to keep things this way you gotta be blind. my opinion of course. as for illegal immigration, well that is kinda simple i think. many of us think our military is spread to thin around the globe. bring em back home. post an armed guard tower every 50-100 yards along the america-mexico border. build a real fence on our side. have a shoot on sight order for anyone hoping the fence. it is hostile invasion after all. i'm sure we'd only need to shoot a few before the others got the point. :2guns: As for China, you know, i'm all for free trade etc. you buy from us, we will buy from you. seems like a good arangement. however, i think recently China has been kinda f%$king us without the ky. we should return the favor. stop any and all trade with China immediately. have all major american businesses who have plants in China close them until China agrees to get their act together. I know this would suck for a bit for some of our companies who have plants there. mine would. I work for Crown Equipment, the forklift manufacturer. we just built a new, huge plant in China. within the last year. it was a business deal. a smart one at the time. according to chinese govt, manufacturers can't sell their product in China unless they have a manufacturing base there. we needed a plant in China to sell things to the chinese. i'm not in upper office management so i don't know if that deal is working as lucratively as originally planned. guess we'll see.
Best speech ever. ron Paul is a genius. Well, not a genius, just not a zombie!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97wghBjEmNY
-Anti 8)
Don't agree with his stance on abortion at all. But the rest of it is good.
jserio - fence wont work. Its gotta be enforced electronically in the work place. Far better than fence. They can still fly in and sit after visa runs out.
China needs to be playing with the same rules as we are. No lead shaZam!, no nothing, china mart can sell stuff, and when people take it back to chinamart when sheite breaks, china mart should send it all the way back to china at their expense. Its very very easy to make somehting cheaper when you dont have to stand behind it when all your competetion has to. I wonder what chinamart's return policy will be like in a yea or 2 from now. Chineese sheite breaks and they will be forced to eat it, they will either kill the return policy or have china make stuff with better reliability. In any case, china mart should stand behind it and eventually it will trickle down to china.
Now of course we sold a lot of subprime MBS repackaged as AAA inventment grade to china and the whole oil exporting world. That paper will eat them soon, and then watch the fun as rampant inflation takes over for the whole world especially china and they realise they sold their manufactured sheite for really low $$ and turned around and bought worthless paper with that $$.
The true cost of somehting has to include the recourse when that item breaks sooner than its intended life. AKA a return policy and a warranty. Both of which need to be re assigned to the chineese who made them.
Cool.
Srinath.
Personally, I will vote for someone like Ron Paul. I realize that it may be a 'wasted' vote, but I refuse to vote for the 'lesser of two evils'. If nothing else, when enough people vote for real change, maybe the government will catch on...even if those candidates don't win.
Personally, I feel that the majority of people are not smart enough to vote. Too many are swayed by useless controversial topics during the election. If you remember a couple of years ago, many politicians jumped on the pro or anti homosexual marriage platforms. Elections came and went, where did all of the controversy go? People are also easily fooled by smoke and mirrors in campaigns. I'm sure many of you know about NCLB (No Child Left Behind). This has been one of the most worthless policies for education that I've ever seen. Unfortunately, most people do not understand what NCLB actually means, or that it is literally impossible to achieve.
Personally, I lost faith in our election system when Bush was elected to a second term. In the words of our fearless 'leader', "There's a saying in Tennessee....Fool me once, shame on...shame on you. Fool me,...can't get fooled again." A couple of other little gems, or Bushisms if you will. WMD's...Axis of Evil...and Nuculer (Nuclear for those of us that speak English).
I'm neither Republican nor Democrat. You have to sell me on the real issues.
Ron Paul will also be the closest any other party other than rep or dem get to the white house. Having brought the best of the libertarian party into the republican party is in itself a huge acheivement.
However another republican from texas just sounds bad right about now.
Cool.
Srinath.
Oh stop, Srinath. :) The fact that he is from Texas thrills me. It means not everyone from that state is like George W.
Also... don't ever say that your vote will be wasted. If you don't vote for the person you believe should be there, the right one will never get elected. My brother says that Paul doesn't have a chance so he's voting for Romney. OF COURSE HE WON'T HAVE A CHANCE IF YOU VOTE FOR THE MAN YOU DON"T WANT IN OFFICE!!! Sheesh I tell you.
All I ask is that you vote for the canidate you think should be in office, not who you think will win.
And especially not Hilary the Socialist. :mad:
Oh, by the way... Gulianni is not much different from Clinton. He is no Republican.
-Anti 8)
^^^^
Well said Antibody.
Ive just turned 18 and can now vote. Im voting conservative, i could vote not to vote because there isn't a good party to vote for, all the parties have good ideas but none of them are willing to follow through with their plans because they don't wana lose subsequent elections. But the way i see it is you can't just vote not to vote (showing your opinion still) and im not going to just vote for Labour like alot of my 18 year old friends are. They're voting for labor because they don't think anyone else will win. Its exactly like you said why do people vote for the person they think is going to win just because it makes them feel like their vote did more. Im voting conservative because a change in government gives us a better chance to get new parties with better ideas and hopefully someone decent will step up to the mark. Plus i don't like how Brown is basically self elected.
Nihlism will be the down fall of modern society.
maybe i'm a moron but BP, wtf did you just say? :dunno_white:
Main Entry:
ni·hil·ism
Pronunciation:
\ˈnī-(h)ə-ˌli-zəm, ˈnē-\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
German Nihilismus, from Latin nihil nothing — more at nil
Date:
circa 1817
1 a: a viewpoint that traditional values and beliefs are unfounded and that existence is senseless and useless
b: a doctrine that denies any objective ground of truth and especially of moral truths
2 a: a doctrine or belief that conditions in the social organization are so bad as to make destruction desirable for its own sake independent of any constructive program or possibility
b capitalized : the program of a 19th century Russian party advocating revolutionary reform and using terrorism and assassination
Now which one did you mean, BP?
Just ordered two campaign t-shirts from http://www.ronpaul2008.com/ (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/).
Some people may think he doesn't stand a chance, but this information is based on polls utilizing outdated, deprecated methods. The real truth lies somewhere between the real world and the internet, and I think that will be revealed during the primaries: enough Americans want a revolutionized democracy, with power given back to the states and the people, that Ron Paul stands a real chance.
My personal opinion: If Ron Paul doesn't get elected president, either this term or the next, America is going to die, and not with a bang, but with a whimper, as the peoples' voices disappear.
Quote from: spcterry on October 12, 2007, 11:34:16 AM
I want Stephen Colbert to run..............seriously :thumb:
Last I heard he was 4th. :thumb:
Colbert for pres! Hell a Monkey for PREZ!
i'll be pres. :laugh:
Just to let everyone know, Ron will be on Glen Beck tonight! If you want to know what he's all about, tune in.
on Headline News Tuesday, December 18th at 7p and 9p ET.
You're Welcome :)
-Anti 8)
Anti - want to hear some ron paul jokes ...
OK here is one ...
Man he made some great music, reggae and hip hop ... cool.
But 6.1 million in 24 hours with no significant corporate donation. AKA ... no body owns him.
True power to the people. Just hope he can get the Rep nomination, I now think he has a better chance as a democrat or heck independent. The republicans are hell bent on bible thumping and ghey hating they entirely miss the reality. He certainly is liberal enough for either of those.
There is more, OK a few more ...
Cool.
Srinath.
Do what I did. Get off the couch run for office and get elected. It is amazing the things you can accomplish
ron paul can raise money but hell hes tried to get in for what seems like 20 years now, and has yet to succeeed. as far as teh biblethumping and ghey hating ehh thats a bit of a stretch. because someone does not agree with a gays lifestyle does that make them a hater, if a ghey doesnt agree with a straight persons lifestyle, that would make them a hater as well Eh? the aforementioned could be applied to democrats republicans liberal conservative, etc etc etc
Srinath, by liberal do you mean libertarian?
What office are you in Frankie?
-Anti 8)
My butt itches...
Quote from: The Antibody on December 18, 2007, 07:05:19 PM
Srinath, by liberal do you mean libertarian?
What office are you in Frankie?
-Anti 8)
If I remember right...I think he's a Mayor!?!?
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on December 18, 2007, 06:21:32 PMif a ghey doesnt agree with a straight persons lifestyle, that would make them a hater as well Eh?
If gheys tried to make laws banning heterosexual marriage, then yes, they would be haters. Equal rights -- why is that so difficult?
I was a deputy mayor and president of the chamber of commerce as well as minister of pubic safety. I am no longer in office
Quote from: trumpetguy on December 19, 2007, 11:28:16 AM
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on December 18, 2007, 06:21:32 PMif a ghey doesnt agree with a straight persons lifestyle, that would make them a hater as well Eh?
If gheys tried to make laws banning heterosexual marriage, then yes, they would be haters. Equal rights -- why is that so difficult?
as far as i know, the matter of homosexual marriage, was put to the voters, democrat, republican liberal and conservative. most of which said tehy did not want it.
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on December 19, 2007, 08:25:22 PM
Quote from: trumpetguy on December 19, 2007, 11:28:16 AM
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on December 18, 2007, 06:21:32 PMif a ghey doesnt agree with a straight persons lifestyle, that would make them a hater as well Eh?
If gheys tried to make laws banning heterosexual marriage, then yes, they would be haters. Equal rights -- why is that so difficult?
as far as i know, the matter of homosexual marriage, was put to the voters, democrat, republican liberal and conservative. most of which said tehy did not want it.
In the 1950s in the American south, you could have put segregation to a vote and you could have been successful in passing it. Does that make it right? Does it make it not hate because a majority of knuckle-draggers passed it?
well it was passed. right OR wrong, ive no problem if people want to get married (gays), ive only one request. if a preacher refuses to marry them, lets not open them up for lawsuits. ( religious issues on this), whos to say who is right, whos to say who is wrong :dunno_white:
I dont care if they can marry or not - heck I want them to marry - OK fine however ... subject to one major condition.
Keep it in your damn house, I dont want to see ghey ass everything ... on TV, Oh yea, he's ghey, she's ghey, he's ghey, they all ghey ... WTF ... being ghey is not a "professional" qualification.
Now that we know that 90% of what chicks think is good looking, considerate and desirable dudes are ghey ... booya for the rest of us. I am all for ugly chicks and good looking or rich or considerate or ... guys to be ghey.
Anyway - I am going to send out resume's with this description "15 years blah blah blah, 10 years in the blah blah, 5 years managing bla bla, and straight.
BTW since when did being on TV become an occupation. Oh yea, since every one thinks they are a real estate mogul cos they "bought 20 houses with no money down" and are flipping them for a profit ... OK good luck with that ...
BTW I was local HOA president too, and I can tell you, we are run by monkeys, 1/2 a brain is a huge gain, I'd settle for 1/1000 of a brain. Damn Idiots. Lower the level of government, the more they abuse the little power they have. You walk in the DMV, you'd think those clowns are capable of walking on water.
Oh yea, I need to find out if RP (who is from houston I believe) had anything to do with the design/implementation of the idiotic car pool system we have. If he did, I am officially voting for the other guy unless its Hitlery. In which case I am voting independent unless its a vote for Hitlery. Then I am going RP. Oh I forgot - I cant vote. OK NM, I may be able to vote.
We have this dedicated 10+ mile long lane that flows inbound in the AM and out in the PM from center of houston. And in 12+ miles its got 3 locations to get in and 1 way to get out only. OK good idea so far. However, the freaking thing has concrete barriers on either side for the whole length. As in, your car dies in there, you and everyone else behind you is F*(ked for hours. No way out of the thing. And to even top that, the freaking thing closes arbitrarily at 11 am in the AM and is closed though 2 pm. WTF ... 11 am is still plenty of traffic in bound. Then it gets even better, its closed outbound at 8pm and does not open till 4 am the next day. WTF, 8pm is bumper to bumper on most highways. What is worse, most of the older houstonians say that this convoluted POS is what created the mess in the first place. Oy yea, its closed all weekend. 8pm friday to 4 am monday.
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Srinath.
So many people get it wrong. It's not that people don't want homosexual couples to be happy, they just can't be married. They can have a civil union, to have the same tax benefits and so fourth. The issue is the word marriage and it's definition. The government has no right to take a religious word with a religiouse definition and change it. Marriage does not encompass two men or two women. It is defined as a bond between a man and a woman. That simple.
the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.
-Anti 8)
I do not think morality should be regulated. One thing I did get passed was Sunday shopping. It has been a huge hit and it is the one piece of legislation that I will be forever known for.
Quote from: The Antibody on December 23, 2007, 07:02:30 PM
So many people get it wrong. It's not that people don't want homosexual couples to be happy, they just can't be married. They can have a civil union, to have the same tax benefits and so fourth. The issue is the word marriage and it's definition. The government has no right to take a religious word with a religiouse definition and change it. Marriage does not encompass two men or two women. It is defined as a bond between a man and a woman. That simple.
the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.
-Anti 8)
Anti - the whole rest of the world does not share the narrow definitions that some people interpret.
We have 8 billion people in the world. Most religion books were written when the world was actually sparsely populated with people and more were dying than being born quite frankly.
Any method of population control be it ghey or be it just common sense is good. In the US however we are over run by illegals and europe by third world ghetto populations that we need a way to get native populations to counter the dilution (All words here are stronger due to me not having time right now to soften it) ...
As for marriage - I dont see why states should be involved in it at all. People regardless of gender should just be given the same license ... if you dont want ghey's to "Marry" and only have "Civil union", I dont see why straight people should not be "civilly united" as well. Heck, I'd give tax breaks to ghey people for not reproducing if it were me. I'd also tax and/or toss out the anchor babies and their illegal parents or tax them per baby if they are employed. 1 baby = tax break, 2 = tax break, 3, you dont get a break, 4 = 1, 5 = 0, 6 = tax at single non married rate etc etc. Scale it to be more $$ per child. After all schools are educating them free as is everything else.
Not regulating morality, I am enforcing the laws that were wirtten 100's of years ago.
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Srinath.
:o Wow I agree with some of the things you say Srinath. I don't think the government should have anything to do with this. Thats why The government should't legalize ghey marriage. At the most, the states should decide. Not the federal government. and of course overpopulation is a problem. Also, I am speaking for Americans, not some 14th century pimple faced, person from some abstract society. Americans. I am a conservative. I believe in the constitution. Seperation of church and state ands all that malarkey.
Anyway, this thread isn't about this.
Ron Paul's stance is the Federal goverment should stay out of this matter. I agree.
-Anti 8)
Yup Anti, Ron Paul is the president of coolness. Hey, your Avatar looks like a young Ron Paul.
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Srinath.
I'm actually really surprised at the good reception Paul's getting on this forum. Most places people just don't even want to hear about it - which is totally fine, since this isn't a political forum. But good on you guys for being so willing to discuss politics.
I'm also a Ron Paul supporter but I think enough has been said about him. I want to emphasize something else that I believe is critically important, that I think we should all agree on.
We need an alternate voting system to eliminate the spoiler effect. Approval voting is one way of doing this, and it's very simple - "choose one or more" rather than "choose one". There's a lot more information out there, and at some point I might post a new forum thread about this, because I feel very strongly about it.
http://www.unity08.com/groups/Enact+Approval+Voting
Why is this a problem?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law
What are our options?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_different_voting_systems_under_similar_circumstances
What is wrong with instant runoff voting?
I will say that IRV is better than plurality. However it has its flaws, and better systems (approval voting, Condorcet methods) exist.
http://zesty.ca/lj/yee-oca-transferable-vote-3.pdf
http://zesty.ca/voting/sim/
http://rangevoting.org/Irvtalk.html
http://rangevoting.org/TarrIrv.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_voting#Tactical_voting_in_particular_systems
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_system#Criteria_in_evaluating_voting_systems
Why approval voting?
http://alum.mit.edu/ne/whatmatters/200211/index.html
What other compact set-based one-vote, additive, fair voting systems might be considered?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_voting
http://math.temple.edu/~wds/homepage/rangevote.pdf
Quote from: The Antibody on December 23, 2007, 07:02:30 PM
So many people get it wrong. It's not that people don't want homosexual couples to be happy, they just can't be married. They can have a civil union, to have the same tax benefits and so fourth. The issue is the word marriage and it's definition. The government has no right to take a religious word with a religiouse definition and change it. Marriage does not encompass two men or two women. It is defined as a bond between a man and a woman. That simple.
the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.
-Anti 8)
And civil unions have been instituted where? Only one state and Canada (which looks more and more like the REAL land of the free and home of the brave).
What if there is a religion that says ghey marriages are fine? How is it OK for government to prevent that religion from marrying whoever they want?
And Ron Paul is copping out on this one. Civil rights are not state by state issues. If they were, much of the South would still be racially segregated.
Quote from: trumpetguy on December 29, 2007, 10:54:42 AM
And Ron Paul is copping out on this one. Civil rights are not state by state issues. If they were, much of the South would still be racially segregated.
Fair enough, he is taking a bad stance, I agree. But you can see where his principles lead him to his stance on the issue of ga y marriage. His belief in the Constitution as the law of the land means that the Tenth Amendment turns this into a state issue since it is nowhere enumerated in the Constitution. I personally disagree, just as you do. All men are created equal and the principle of equal protection under the law naturally leads to equal treatment under the law for any contract between two people, regardless of who those two people are. Thus, any two people old enough to enter into contracts can be married regardless of gender.
But I think we have to acknowledge that there are more pressing issues facing the country right now. Thousands of our own people and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died in a war that's made us less safe, and the government is denying more basic civil rights such as habeas corpus and the eighth amendment.
edit: are you kidding me? There's a filter to change "g a y" to "ghey"? Why?
Quote from: asobi on December 29, 2007, 11:05:47 AM
But I think we have to acknowledge that there are more pressing issues facing the country right now. Thousands of our own people and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died in a war that's made us less safe, and the government is denying more basic civil rights such as habeas corpus and the eighth amendment.
No question there! I'm in absolute agreement with you on both counts. Unfortunately, the rest of the GOP candidates and most of the Dem candidates are wimps on both these issues.
Personally my favored candidates right now are Paul, Kucinich, and Obama. Paul and Kucinich are by far the most in line with my beliefs in their respective primaries. They're outspoken but principled and not afraid to say something unpopular if it is the correct thing to say and the country needs to hear it. I'm not 100% sure about Obama but he's my realistic best shot for a sane executive branch 2009-2012. I liked the transparency act of 2006 a lot, and he's saying all the right things with respect to a peaceful foreign policy and returning civil liberties.
No filter, we say Ghey ... to emphasise the "Ghhhh" ...
Anyway, we also need to toss the Iowa caucus and all other caucusey crap. Worthless ethanol is the end result.
Transporting corn from Iowa to the Texas panhandle and then turning it into ethanol, instead of making it from sugar cane that is grown in the SE right by texas, is just stupid. Corn makes for great cattle feed, Sugar cane makes for good sugar failing which it makes good ethanol. Anyway, nice thing about Ron Paul ... he is not bought and sold by the big businesses. He has been put into play by the individuals not businesses. Dont even care what his political stance is. The problem has been one of ownership, as in which politico is owned by which corporation, issues come next. Solutions to issues are well defined in the constitution or the little guy has a direction in which he wants to go. That is what is important.
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Srinath.
Ethanol from corn is just such a terrible idea. Both Kucinich and Paul are completely against subsidizing it, each for their own reasons. Obama also disagrees with it but has taken the view that cellulosic ethanol might be a good alternative. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulosic_ethanol
I'm hoping against hope that Clinton, Giuliani, Huckabee, or Romney don't win their primaries. I am going to be so angry in 2008, I can tell...
Clinton is a worthless piece of human Grabage who will simply use the "woman for president" line to weedle her way into it. I just say, Yes a woman for president, just not this one.
Giuliani is another one of those 911 candidates. I was there and being very heroic - now WTF was he being heroic about, yes he went there 100's of times and told the people to keep digging. OK ... like we didn't know that.
Fuckabee and Dummy - Yea, No clue how just religion can make eitger of them a "candidate".
Your assesment is very right. Though Kucinich has no chance in hell IMHO. RP is also getting so little of the press, so freaking bought and sold press we got too.
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Srinath.
There is a filter on the word. On a more important note, anyone watch the debate last night? Unfortunately I don't think it was Pauls best. Thhis is simply because he kept harping on his most unpopular idea. Terrorists attack us because we are there. I think he should let that one go for now and focus on his other thousand ideas that are home runs. I did love how Obama and Edwards teamed p on Hillary though. Awsome. I just hope she doesn't get pitty otes now. with our luck some schmoe will feel bad for her and vote the monster(Hillary) to office. As for the Dems. I have to give Richardson props. Too bad all of the good canidates are the underdogs.
One more thing. I am sick of caucusses and primaries being spread out. I am appauled that people are voting based on results from previous states instead of their principles. I can't stand the media broadcasting winners. We all know this affects how people vote. AAAAGGHHH! :mad:
-Anti 8)
Ron Paul!
I would never vote for hitlory Clinton
Thank YOU Frankie! All is forgiven.
-Anti 8)
The constitution is in shambles. Democrates are scared to appear weak. The economy is in ruins and spending is out of control mostly because of iraqnam. People die because HMO make money a priority over people. If your home catches fire it will be out out for free. But you will die of your injuries because property is valued above human life
i suppose this is the thread to post my qualms with the current election process. GET RID OF THE ELECTORIAL COLLEGE CRAP!! as it stands right now, it seems to me all a potential canidate needs to do is get California, Texas, Florida and they've all but got the election wrapped up. individual votes don't seem to count as much as they say they do. oh, and someone mentioned that america has become just a larger corporation, thereby stating that we are run by big business. if this is true(and i believe it may be) just how many votes do you think big business has bought? seriously. so how are you and i (john q. taxpayer) supposed to compete with that? we can't buy more votes than big business. :dunno_white:
Quote from: jserio on January 09, 2008, 10:38:32 PM
GET RID OF THE ELECTORIAL COLLEGE CRAP!!
Agreed. But while we're on the subject we badly need approval voting or a Condorcet ranked choice method. I think I've mentioned this before, but here's the pitch:
Under the current plurality system in the United States, the introduction of third alternatives in elections can cause a spoiler effect, as demonstrated with Ross Perot in 1992 and Ralph Nader in 2000.
With approval voting, voters can express their support for third alternatives without hurting the chances of major candidates. Specifically, each voter chooses each candidate that they approve. Whichever candidate is approved by the largest number of voters wins. In this way, the candidate that the largest number of voters are willing to form a consensus around wins the election.
Note, ranked choice voting methods are also excellent alternatives to the current system but among these, there exist many flawed implementations. The simplest adjustment would be to switch from plurality to approval voting. Condorcet criterion-satisfying methods and the range voting method do show promise for the future though.
Why is this a problem?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law
What are our options?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_different_voting_systems_under_similar_circumstances
What is wrong with instant runoff voting?
I will say that IRV is better than plurality. However it has its flaws, and better systems (approval voting, Condorcet methods) exist.
http://zesty.ca/lj/yee-oca-transferable-vote-3.pdf
http://zesty.ca/voting/sim/
http://rangevoting.org/Irvtalk.html
http://rangevoting.org/TarrIrv.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_voting#Tactical_voting_in_particular_systems
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_system#Criteria_in_evaluating_voting_systems
Why approval voting?
http://alum.mit.edu/ne/whatmatters/200211/index.html
Oh, the primary and caucus crap sucks too. Too much time and too much $$ ... a candidate is bought and sold before anyone even sees his/her name on a ballot where it counts.
Also, Iowa is first, then NH ... like WTF, what about the rest of us, we are chopped liver ???
Screw it all, all in 1 day.
And yes multi choice will give segway to a good multi party, but It shouldn't degrade to the multi party like in India IMHO. Platform based is good, and there can be several platforms.
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Srinath.