Just thought I would share this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21116732/
I was doing a bit of candidate researching, and thought this was a really cool overview chart of the candidates on both sides.
i am a liberal i believe in universal health care, a balanced budget and reducing the national dept. i do not support imperialism, religious nuts, guns, the death penalty or sending people to jail for speeding. this country is nuts
frankie, this country is far from perfect. but i must say our system is better than many. and i must ask, what is this national dept you speak of?? :cookoo:
Quote from: jserio on October 12, 2007, 08:33:27 PM
and i must ask, what is this national dept you speak of?? :cookoo:
Walmart :laugh:
heh , i dont support liberals, until i can find one thats done something for this country :thumb:
The budget is over a trillion dollars. Our national debt is in the hundreds of billions. The USA needs to increase taxes and reduce spending. Especially in defense
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on October 14, 2007, 10:36:58 PM
heh , i dont support liberals, until i can find one thats done something for this country :thumb:
Gee, it's nice to see that you're open-minded. What a ridiculous statement. Hopefully it was intended as humor.
Quote from: yamahonkawazukiheh , i dont support liberals, until i can find one thats done something for this country
You wouldn't support this?
http://www.liberalparty.org/JFKLPAcceptance.htmlI'm not a US citizen and I'm certainly not married to any one political party in my own country, but I'd definitely support that.
Im not a fan of any party..Anybody who makes thier mind up before they hear the question or idea really shouldnt be in charge of anything.
JFK was one of the better Presidents, however, in my opinion he pales in comparison to FDR.
Quote from: sys49152 on January 07, 2008, 10:22:45 PM
Quote from: yamahonkawazukiheh , i dont support liberals, until i can find one thats done something for this country
You wouldn't support this?
http://www.liberalparty.org/JFKLPAcceptance.html
I'm not a US citizen and I'm certainly not married to any one political party in my own country, but I'd definitely support that.
that yes, current things no. higher taxes definately no. wed do alot better, if we'd manage money better, ( not just in teh military or war tg) :thumb:
Quote from: trumpetguy on January 07, 2008, 09:56:42 PM
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on October 14, 2007, 10:36:58 PM
heh , i dont support liberals, until i can find one thats done something for this country :thumb:
Gee, it's nice to see that you're open-minded. What a ridiculous statement. Hopefully it was intended as humor.
well, can you tell me something the "liberals " have done for this country? ( something specific)
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on January 07, 2008, 11:22:02 PMwell, can you tell me something the "liberals " have done for this country? ( something specific)
How about:
Civil rights
Environmental laws
Social Security
Safety laws (OSHA)
Medicare-Medicaid
The Peace Corps
Welfare (for the poor and corporate)
Student grant and loan programs
Unemployment insurance
Prevailing wage laws
Right to collective bargaining (which brought about paid medical insurance, paid vacations, pensions, etc.)
The last Democratic president also left office with a budget surplus (with the help of a Democratic Senate and Republican House).
recently
Quote from: trumpetguy on January 08, 2008, 12:00:34 AM
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on January 07, 2008, 11:22:02 PMwell, can you tell me something the "liberals " have done for this country? ( something specific)
How about:
Civil rights
Environmental laws
Social Security
Safety laws (OSHA)
Medicare-Medicaid
The Peace Corps
Welfare (for the poor and corporate)
Student grant and loan programs
Unemployment insurance
Prevailing wage laws
Right to collective bargaining (which brought about paid medical insurance, paid vacations, pensions, etc.)
The last Democratic president also left office with a budget surplus (with the help of a Democratic Senate and Republican House).
and slashed the military budget forcing the current president to spend more than needed
look tg, i not going to argure with you on this, or any other one, reson i engage in these "discussions" is i take my voting seriously. and in 08 im not sure who the hell to look at :laugh:, they all seem to act like car salesmen. telling you what you want to hear in hopes that you leave with whatever they are trying to sell you. tell me, in YOUR opinion, what would be the best liberal to vote for, ( or at least why i should at least consider it), im looking at tehm all goin wtf :o
OK, the Peace Corp and SS are effectively a f%$king joke :dunno_white: I am however willing to concede the others to you, especially the fact that the last liberal president (despite his misdeeds) handled our finances quite well. I would really like to see Obama in office, it's a shame this country would never elect him.
I really think the word "liberal" has been vilified in the right-wing media, which is to say all of the media. Just yesterday, I heard an analyst on CNN say that Obama was a liberal Democrat. Baloney. Kucinich is a liberal Democrat. Richardson is a liberal Democrat. Edwards is somewhat liberal. Obama and Clinton are old-time centrist corporatist democrats.
I do think the country will elect Obama. At this (early) moment, it looks like he's the man . I don't Jesus could be elected as a Republican right now. People are so fed up with the direction of the country, and the inability of Congress to change it over presidential vetoes or veto threats, that I don't think they'll even consider four more years of a Republican in the White House.
I do think that some of the candidates believe in what they're saying. I'm not enamored of Clinton -- even though she has some good ideas, she tends to look at polls before she utters every word. Obama would be an improvement over her, but still not willing enough to challenge corporations for control of this country. Edwards, of the top three, is my first choice. He has experience in government, but realizes that people are more important than corporate profit. Richardson has experience in foreign policy and executive government and great ideas, but he's not well-known enough (and he's not a media darling so he won't become well-known). Kucinich is too out-of-the-mainstream -- he probably has the best ideas, but he's a wacky personality.
On the Republican side, Ron Paul is sincere. The others have various degrees of disconnect between what they say they believe and what they have done. For example, how can one be both pro-life and pro-Iraq war? They all are (except Paul). Romney has flip-flopped more than a fish out of water to woo the evangelical vote, only to be outdone by a former Baptist preacher (now that's funny, I don't care who you are). McCain voted to outlaw torture, but won't confront Bush about it when his law is being circumvented and wants to claim he's a man of principles. Right.
I'd vote for Obama, Edwards, or Richardson. If Hillary wins the Democratic nomination, I'll grudgingly vote for her. I have voted in every election since 1975, but this one smells more like a media event than ANY I've seen. It's like we really don't get to hear what they say, we get to hear what we're presented.
We have had TWELVE years of a Democratic president since 1968. It's pretty clear that the public isn't happy with the direction we're headed, so I think any Democrat nominated will win in November.
The USA is hundreds of billions in debt
Ok, the way to get finances back in order is to yes, cut spending. Raise taxes? Definately not. It's not just about taking in more money and spending less, it's about the people as a whole making and spending more money. If you tax people more, then the money skips the economy. not a good thing. Let people keep their money (eliminate income tax. It's unconstitutional you know), spend it and the government will see a natural increase in revenue through the prospering people. Thats a real economy.
Free healthcare? that is the biggest joke I have ever heard. You realize you will be paying through the teeth in taxes to cover this monumental increase in spending. Frankie, don't say the government needs to cut spending and say we need universal health care all at once. It can't happen. All sorts of losers will flood the hospitals with every ache and pain so when I break an ankle, I have to wait a day or two to have it fixed, and I will pay more for them to do so. It is fundementally the worst idea that the "librals" have.
ok, cut taxes and spending. More money to the people. Free market health care. Who can do all of this? Ron Paul.
Just take one minute to quit being lazy and look him up.
-Anti 8)
any administration which could spend SMARTLY and not waste $$$ would get my vote. ive yet to see it from any side of teh aisle/party
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on January 08, 2008, 05:42:24 PM
any administration which could spend SMARTLY and not waste $$$ would get my vote. ive yet to see it from any side of teh aisle/party
On that we agree!!! :thumb: :thumb:
Quote from: The Antibody on January 08, 2008, 04:02:57 PM
ok, cut taxes and spending. More money to the people. Free market health care. Who can do all of this? Ron Paul.
Just take one minute to quit being lazy and look him up.
-Anti 8)
Is it true Ron Paul can whip Chuck Norris's ass?
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on January 07, 2008, 11:22:02 PM
Quote from: trumpetguy on January 07, 2008, 09:56:42 PM
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on October 14, 2007, 10:36:58 PM
heh , i dont support liberals, until i can find one thats done something for this country :thumb:
Gee, it's nice to see that you're open-minded. What a ridiculous statement. Hopefully it was intended as humor.
well, can you tell me something the "liberals " have done for this country? ( something specific)
Alright Yama you asked for it. :laugh: :laugh:
Gun Control (Sara Brady)
Tobacco Taxes
Nafta (Clinton)
Cop on Every Corner (Clinton)
Music Censorship (Tipper Gore and Sara Brady)
Waco Massacre (Clinton,Reno)
Ruby Ridge (Clinton,Reno)
The Problem with Terrorism we Have Now (Clinton)
Oh yeah and the Internet (Al "Father of the Internet" Gore)
:nono: :laugh: except for teh cop on every corner, ( which was good in thought at least)
Good until you run into a Cop on Every Corner. :laugh:
Quote from: trumpetguy on January 08, 2008, 08:26:53 PM
Is it true Ron Paul can whip Chuck Norris's ass?
I thought chuck norris was god in human form :dunno_white:
He is, thats why that was a shot below the belt.
-Anti 8)
i want someone in office who will fight to keep my job in america instead of allowing it to be outsorced to china to improve said corporations bottom line. i want someone in office who will make a serious attempt to fix our health insurance issues in america. i want someone whos' not afraid to boot the illegals out and punish companies who hire them just to save a buck or two. the welfare program needs changes. something needs to be done to check inflation. when i got out of highschool 8 years ago, i dreamed of getting a $15-$20 an hour job. that was big bucks then. now, i have said job. and am still broke. too broke to give my kids the life they want, yet i make too much money to even think of asking the govt for any kind of assistance. all the while, my hard earned tax dollars go to support programs to give lazy people and illegals a free ride. it's time we had someone in office who is willing to selfishly think of only us americans for once. forget about foreign policy at this point. you can't help someone who's on fire very well if you've got a lit match in your own pocket.
:thumb:
Quote from: jserio on January 08, 2008, 10:00:53 PM
i want someone in office who will fight to keep my job in america instead of allowing it to be outsorced to china to improve said corporations bottom line. i want someone in office who will make a serious attempt to fix our health insurance issues in america. i want someone whos' not afraid to boot the illegals out and punish companies who hire them just to save a buck or two. the welfare program needs changes. something needs to be done to check inflation. when i got out of highschool 8 years ago, i dreamed of getting a $15-$20 an hour job. that was big bucks then. now, i have said job. and am still broke. too broke to give my kids the life they want, yet i make too much money to even think of asking the govt for any kind of assistance. all the while, my hard earned tax dollars go to support programs to give lazy people and illegals a free ride. it's time we had someone in office who is willing to selfishly think of only us americans for once. forget about foreign policy at this point. you can't help someone who's on fire very well if you've got a lit match in your own pocket.
All those things are great, maybe if the administration didn't BLOW
over a trillion dollars on an unjustified pre-emptive war, there would be some money around to help said issues.
Yes, I believe social reform programs need to be re-vamped because there are people who take advantage of them. I do, however believe they need to exist. If you lost your job, unemployment insurance would make sure you don't starve to death. Another thing Americans need is affordable heallthcare. I went a few post-college years without healthcare because if you are not in a company plan, the monthly bill is outrageous ($300+ per Month). I definitely agree that we need to scale down on the foreign policy spending, cause it obviously isn't doing us that much good. Oil costs more, there is still violence around the world, and there aren't any countries that hate/love us more or less than there were before the "War".
Quote from: Jughead on January 08, 2008, 08:35:55 PM
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on January 07, 2008, 11:22:02 PM
Quote from: trumpetguy on January 07, 2008, 09:56:42 PM
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on October 14, 2007, 10:36:58 PM
heh , i dont support liberals, until i can find one thats done something for this country :thumb:
Gee, it's nice to see that you're open-minded. What a ridiculous statement. Hopefully it was intended as humor.
well, can you tell me something the "liberals " have done for this country? ( something specific)
Alright Yama you asked for it. :laugh: :laugh:
The Problem with Terrorism we Have Now (Clinton)
quote]
sorry guys but my outside observation is
C.I.A everything they get into bites them in the ass 10-20 years later, get rid of them (disband) what good have they ever done?
and most
of the worlds problems will be gone! , i just hope that with the election comming soon that the people of america will get out and vote some one into office that will actualy sit back and take a look at what is happening in this world , i.e chinese taking all of our (north american) manufacturing jobs away , the war right now iraq/afganistan and the tensions between usa and iran, this is scary shaZam! folks and we need a leader that will stand up and take charge of the free world and make peace !!!!
i mean no dis-respect if anyone is offended , i have many friends in the USA and as a brother to you to the north , we all stand as one !
eh no one would ever git rid of their "cia" :thumb:
ok keep it as a spy agency but stop the b-shite that there up to !
I worry about the economy and the upcoming generations. But I suppose every generation worries about their children and grandchildren. Although I have accomblished much as a parent officer and politician. But I wonder if I have done enough or if there is more to do. I did pass laws that were my priority when I first got elected. But electoral reform has escaped. It is prolly going to remained undone by me anyhow
Quote from: ajaxgs on January 09, 2008, 12:46:29 PM
Quote from: Jughead on January 08, 2008, 08:35:55 PM
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on January 07, 2008, 11:22:02 PM
Quote from: trumpetguy on January 07, 2008, 09:56:42 PM
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on October 14, 2007, 10:36:58 PM
heh , i dont support liberals, until i can find one thats done something for this country :thumb:
Gee, it's nice to see that you're open-minded. What a ridiculous statement. Hopefully it was intended as humor.
well, can you tell me something the "liberals " have done for this country? ( something specific)
Alright Yama you asked for it. :laugh: :laugh:
The Problem with Terrorism we Have Now (Clinton)
quote]
sorry guys but my outside observation is
C.I.A everything they get into bites them in the ass 10-20 years later, get rid of them (disband) what good have they ever done?
and most
of the worlds problems will be gone! , i just hope that with the election comming soon that the people of america will get out and vote some one into office that will actualy sit back and take a look at what is happening in this world , i.e chinese taking all of our (north american) manufacturing jobs away , the war right now iraq/afganistan and the tensions between usa and iran, this is scary shaZam! folks and we need a leader that will stand up and take charge of the free world and make peace !!!!
i mean no dis-respect if anyone is offended , i have many friends in the USA and as a brother to you to the north , we all stand as one !
The C.I.A. gets a lot of press for the shaZam! they f%$k up, and god knows that there are numerous things. However people fail to understand that they live by the credo: 'When you've done your job well, no one will ever know you did a thing' ................................................................... yeah, it's stolen from a movie, but take a guess where the movie stole it from.
Exactly what BS, are you referring to?? The agency has held a rather low-key profile as of late.
Who cares about the CIA. I thought. We were talking about the govenment etc
Quote from: ajaxgs on January 11, 2008, 11:20:27 AM
ok keep it as a spy agency but stop the b-shite that there up to !
good call. i meant the cia's of the countries of the world. no country wants to be blindsided by groups/countries with ill will on their minds. but also dont want to know too much about them either. the more that people know, the more it can get out, and all teh things you bust your a$$ to accomplish get flushed like ( insert adjective here)
Frankie G...........you stupid f_ucking idiot. Did you type, our "National Debt" is................."Billions' of dollars"???????????
You were "in the Government's Service"??????????
Please allow me to "enlighten you"..........
Our National Debt is in the TRILLIONS of DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is OVER .............NINE TRILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you get it? Do you get it? Do you finally GET IT?
Go here..................
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
Look at our debt clock. Blame the politicians, then blame the voters, then come to the realization that there is another party controlling WHOEVER our "representatives" are. Do you "get that"?
Perhaps you think that there is a small percentage of people "like me", but there are 50's of millions of us. The rest of the United States of America does NOT want to be dictated to or by "New England" and "Kalifornia". Gus
When you get to the "National Debt Page".......................hit F5..................to "refresh"..............every so often.......
Get it?
Rev. Aren't you in nb
Welcome back, Wilson. :cheers:
Oh-ho wait for it.
Speaking as an interested foreigner who think's everyone is entitled to a point of view I was listening to a piece on BBC radio when they touched on the US debt saying that about 70% of it had been "bought" by the Saudis which had fundimentally changed the balance of things particularly in the middle east as the US was effectivly "in hock" to one of the major players without even considering the "addiction" to oil.
Maybe they were right, maybe not but it's a sobering thought.
Oh! and another thing, "language and tone" Deep breath, count to ten, express political views as appropriate in a free society, argue vermently by all means but please avoid the dreaded "F" word - Ta.
I agrees. The Saudis are in a advantage over the us
Quote from: frankieG on January 14, 2008, 08:33:02 PM
I agrees. The Saudis are in a advantage over the us
don't forget china
we need someone in office with brains and the balls to use em wisely. maybe i'm naive but i thought the constitution said a government for the people by the people? :dunno_white:
Hmmm aint been that way for a long time ( if ever)
Don't think that was the constitution, it was the Gettysburg address by Abe Lincon, no matter the spirit and principle remains the same. (of the people, by the people for the people)
ajaxgs apparently in that way that international bankers do their thing, Saudi banks and institutions have "bought" a lot of the debt from China in much the same way that western banks have traded sub-prime loans and mortgages. It does beg the question - Why?
cause tehy could "OWN " us with a stroke of a pen :o, the same as teh chinese could with the treasury notes? they bought? ( i think it was those that they bought).
That shaZam! worries me greatly :o
Technically they do own us the only way things stay the same is because it is in china and Saudis best interest. America is mortgageing our future and the politicians know it. We are just in so deep there are few if any way out
Quote from: frankieG on January 15, 2008, 09:55:06 AM
Technically they do own us the only way things stay the same is because it is in china and Saudis best interest. America is mortgageing our future and the politicians know it. We are just in so deep there are few if any way out
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Our "Serpentine Representative Strumpets" have sold us out (both sides). They, in turn, are bought and paid for by Luciferian Elitists.
They will NOT STOP until there is NO "middle class". Here we have an entity (our "government") that has destroyed the American Farmer, wrecked our educational system (we are the laughing stock of the civilized world), killed the "craftsmen", killed "customer service", stifled and smote individuality in companies in favor of "teams", turned us into an "informational society", killed manufacturing and shipped so many of our jobs overseas and across the border, and now...........they want our guns. We are facing a many tiered attack from 360 directions each and every waking day. "These people" in "all" (State, Local, and Federal) have seen to it that our taxes (counting "all" taxes) have risen to damn near half of our paycheck (at last count)(I know in my state it is approx. 44% at least). YOU have to work until JUNE to "get some money "for yourself". It is NOT ENOUGH. Do you think they'll stop at .................SEVENTY PERCENT???????? Nooooooooooooooo......no waaaay.
They want it ALL my friends. Here are some good "throw down lines" they use. "We'll use it to fix our broken roads and bridges".
How 'bout this one............"let's do it for the children".............hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaahahahahah. God, that's a good one.
It always gets the "pansies". I read today that a special committee (iin DC) has deemed it necessary to raise gasoline prices over 40 cents a gallon over the next 5 years to guess what?...........fix our broken roads and bridges.....
Ladies and Gentlemen, these are some lying cheating, monetary rapist sonsanddaughters of bitches.
These freewheeling dandies are walking around with 300 haircuts and wearing 1000 dollar alligator shoes while we "work". All smiles, but they work soooooo hard.
Thanks for the rant. Think about................a lot...........
indeed :mad:
Dammit, why won't Wilson just stay out of the moonshine cabinet :laugh:
unfortunately I must agree with the rant :mad: the 'outsourcing' of basic skills is a tragic loss to the economy fueling many of those issues
now, if our constition has any meaning at all, are we the people not entitled to band together and over-throw our government? get them out of office and get someone in who will listen to us and work for us? i'm not talking about voting. voting is a crock. it doesn't accomplish anything. i'm saying this: there are roughly 3 million americans here in the states. i'm betting that less than 5-10 percent of them are in the political "enemy" status. i'm sure our friends at Smith&Wesson could come up with a few spare arms to help us educate our leaders! :2guns:
I'm scatchin' my head now, there are about 60 million in my small island, 495 million in the EEC so I recon you must mean 300 million in the US?
Voting might just be the way, it's worth a try before you start shooting "dissidents and undesirables" that way tends to get messy and leads to civil wars, wider wars, holy wars and ethnic cleansing. Winston Churchill said that democracy was a flawed system but we best stick with as nothing better had come along.
Taking Africa as an example shooting has tended to lead to social and economic disaster and corrupt dictatorships.
now who is this wilson you speak of so lovingly :flipoff:
tom hanks ball on that movie...WILSONNNNNNNNNNNN
Quote from: frankieG on January 17, 2008, 12:54:17 PM
tom hanks ball on that movie...WILSONNNNNNNNNNNN
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: