http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Harry-Reid-Rush-Limbaugh-Smear-Letter_W0QQitemZ260170172469QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4105QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
How did it backfire? Maybe you should read Reid's comment on the auction. The letter was bought by a right-wing pressure group (big surprise).
The letter was right on the money. When a political group on the left rightly calls a kiss-ass liar like Petraeus a betrayer, fireworks go off. But when the major media star of the right calls soldiers who disagree with the war (which is a lot of them) "phony soldiers" no one is supposed to comment?
Anybody who would defend Rush Limbaugh at this point (after his hypocrisy on drugs, viagra, numerous racial gaffes, etc.) is seriously deluded. And let's not forget his unflagging support of the ill-conceived, poorly executed war on Iraq and the pathetic fools who sent us there with the complete cooperation of the right-wing media. To even pretend that this idiot (Rush) has anything to offer other than propaganda is silly.
heh a truly liberal reply, thats okay, BUT you might want to read rush's phony soldier coment in its entirety, and how it was used. then youll understand teh absurdity of it all :thumb:, actually the letter was purchased by an individual, . you say it was bought by a right wing pressure group? got any [roof on that, and petraeus a liar? how, when or where, . only ones i see doing this are the liberals who disagree with his report, or because it doesnt agree with the liberal defeatist attitudes in the war. and the money is supposedly going to a good cause. and reid was trying to take credit for that as well. lol. ( i have listened to his p.o.v. by the way. i listen to ALL of them. not just the ones who agree with mine. sometimes it is painful, BUT i liek to be fair or think fair, when i form my opinions
ohh btw many liberals also voted to send us there ;) including hitlery :thumb:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html
Philanthropist Betty Casey wins the auction and Rush matches her historic winning bid to benefit MC-LEF.
i dont see many liberal groups donating to such causes.
oh regarding the right wing media, where, most of teh news orgs. are FAR left, i.e. liberal as well :icon_rolleyes:
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on October 20, 2007, 11:14:34 PM
heh a truly liberal reply, thats okay, BUT you might want to read rush's phony soldier coment in its entirety, and how it was used. then youll understand teh absurdity of it all :thumb:
Liberal = anything non-fascist? Check the definition of liberal. You calling this a liberal letter is hilarious. Reid is a Bush enabler and you call him liberal?
I did give the scumbag Rush Limpbaugh the benefit of the doubt and read his entire transcript the day this news came out. He was definitely referring to soldiers who oppose the war as phony soldiers. LATER he claimed he only referred to that soldier who had been in the army less than four months and hadn't seen combat, and he even modified the transcript of that show and issued a doctored tape. However, there are plenty of original copies of the transcript and tapes of the show to prove his lie. If he was talking about one non-soldier, why did Rush use plural?
My stepson is a soldier again, and he opposes the war. He is anything but phony. Rush, OTOH, is a typical chickenhawk republican who never served but supports other people dying (much in the way he supports harsh penalties for drug addicts -- except himself).
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on October 20, 2007, 11:14:34 PM
actually the letter was purchased by an individual, . you say it was bought by a right wing pressure group?
It was bought by the Eugene B. Casey Foundation. After further research, I cannot accurately say that the foundation itself is a right-wing pressure group. Its trustee and founder, Betty Casey, is definitely a wingnut Rush fan, however.
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on October 20, 2007, 11:14:34 PM
got any [roof on that, and petraeus a liar? how, when or where, . only ones i see doing this are the liberals who disagree with his report, or because it doesnt agree with the liberal defeatist attitudes in the war.
Actually Petraeus did tell the truth once. When asked if the war had made Americans safer, he stuttered and said "I don't know."
If I change the counting methods for my finances and then claim progress, I'm a liar. So is Petraeus for doing exactly the same thing in Iraq. He is also most definitely a kiss-ass. Google that as well. He said (much like Colin Powell 5 years ago) exactly what he was told to say by Cheney's office. The corporate war profiteers must have been so proud of them both. The objective was to show progress, when it is clear that no sustainable progress can be made.
I also question your use of the word "defeatist." What is victory in this war?
Eliminating WMDs? Never there, so we're done with that.
Toppling Saddam? Mission Accomplished in May 2003.
A democratic constitution? Done.
Elections? also done.
In fact, everything has gone swimmingly well in Iraq if you listen to Faux news and the White House. It's time to leave. But now the Republicans and the corporations who stand to make untold more billions on this war call leaving defeat? Unbelievable. When will we know that "victory" has arrived? One might just as well call those who want to stay "bloodthirsty warmongers."
There are definitely issues if we leave. There is no functioning government in Iraq. It will have to step up and so will the Iraqi people. But every shred of evidence suggests that they will not do this
until we leave. Most evidence points to our very presence causing much of the violence (imagine how we would react if OUR country were occupied -- it wouldn't be pretty). We need to leave before more Americans die. Period.
Next (and this is another giant failure of the Bush administration) we need to kick the mideast oil habit. As a nation we need a huge conservation plan to wean us off oil. They can let someone else come in to drill their oil and be bitter towards them. If we had continued down the path begun in the seventies to mandate higher mileage vehicles, we'd be at almost ZERO imports of oil now. But instead, Ronnie Raygun (at the behest of GM, Ford and Chrysler) gutted CAFE standards in the 1980's and we became even more dependent on foreign oil.
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Well said and well argued. I don't really understand how it works in America, left-wing, right-wing, liberal god knows what but good points there.
The "War" in Iraq is over. The people who are benefiting from American soldiers been there now are American companies. America is no longer at war in Iraq. There is no war to fight, Saddam has being crushed and the only fighting going on is between the people and American soldiers. As was said all evidence points that the people want the soldiers gone, and the only argument for staying is that apparently the countries government cant support itself without the Americans. Well if they pulled out they would bloody find out. If Iraq then breaks down into civil war it is then the UN's job to go in and try and keep the peace. At least if the soildiers pulled out it would be the Iraqi's killing each other and not soldiers who really have nothing to do there but be a target and train Iraqi's to kill each other. The country will sort itself out or peacekeeping organizations will then move in.
alright tg
actually once i somewhat agree with a liberal/ and somewhat not
got a link to rush's transcript?, thats where part of my issue is
NOW, let me ask you this
IF we left now, it would force teh iraqis to "step up" or "get into the drivers seat", would it also have a destabilising effect in the mid east?, also quite possibly bringing iran into the mix, and threatening a certain key ally there.
my brother has done two tours in iraq ( with the 101st) and he opposes the war, well his exact words are " i hate this f*****g war", i want to see this transcript. or a link to it. cause it may very well change my ideals about the whole thing and btw its limbaugh, not limpbaugh. and there have been a few liberals as well with drug habits, and one seated one with a drinking problem. i dont hold that against them ( as long as they can do their job that is), and finally
yes agreed we do need to cut our umbillical cord from the mid east oil wells. weve got oil sources here we can use, AND in places other than the mid east. SO until we get a conservation prog. in place, weve got that option. anywho, take care sir :thumb:
im wondering if any liberals were donating into this cause ? ( where the proceeds are supposedly going) just curious :thumb:
Original transcript:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010?f=h_top (http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010?f=h_top)
As later altered:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200710190006?f=h_top (http://mediamatters.org/items/200710190006?f=h_top)
As I see it, we have already destabilized the middle east. Saddam, even though he was a tyrant, was a deterrent to Iran (with our help, he kicked their butt in the Iran/Iraq war early 1980s). We are an unwavering ally to Israel, even when they make stupid decisions (which further erodes our credibility in the Arab world). We have been antagonizing Iran, Syria, and Turkey. How much more can we do to destabilize?
Will there be casualties in Iraq when we leave? Yes, just like this week and last week and the week before that. Is staying worth even one more American serviceman's life? Not if you ask me!
FWIW, I'm just as pissed at the Democrats as I am the Republicans for keeping us in Iraq -- actually more. Neither party is doing what their constituents want. Polls show a majority in both parties want us out of Iraq (and the Iraqis want us out).
As far as "liberals" contributing to the charity of Rush's choice, I think they did enough already. They're the ones who got the dittoheads stirred up and raised $2.1 Million! :icon_razz:
I think that there are far bigger issues for the USA to worry about at the moment than fighting a losing battle in Iraq, pull out, it has nothing to do with possible allies that maybe lost there.
I think you should stop worrying about trying to colonize Iraq basically (which is what these big companies want) and think more about what Russia is currently up to. In the last few weeks they have been the first to begin preliminary drilling in their stake in the arctic, we have (UK) already dispatched fighters to intercept Russian nuclear capable bombers from entering UK airspace on two occasions. Russia is flexing its arm and a very large arm it is. The world should be focusing on the bigger picture. America is going to be tied up in Iraq from here to the end of the next century unless they pull out and let Iraqi's sort themselves out. Saddam is gone that was the mission now leave. More countries are being upset staying there and i guarantee no matter how big your military is your stretched, you can't fight Iraqi's, Taliban, Korea and the various other groups and countries which are in American military sights. Pull out and stop pissing people off
Yama, Liberal is not a bad word. I love how so many people throw it around in a context that makes it along the lines of "Satan Worshiper", but if asked could not actually clearly define what it means to be liberal.
I think the term you are looking for is "fundie" and they exist on all ends of the political spectrum.
people in the middle east have been fighting with each other and killing each other since the beginning of time. and will continue to do so until the end of time. we had a set of goals and objectives when we went to Iraq. they have been met i believe. i don't think the war was useless. i think we intially went there under false pretenses. but i do feel we've accomplished some positives. that being said, it's time to bring em home. the iraqi people have allready said they want us gone. when you're a guest in someones house, it's best to leave when asked. i do agree that we have other issues arrising at the moment that we need to concentrate on. russia has never really been our friend, no matter what they've said. the govt should have let Patton take his tanks and crush russia like he wanted to 50 years ago. i believe he said, "give me two weeks and i will give you moscow." but, as always, politics played it's part. politics and war should not be mixed. a great president once said, "walk softly and carry a big stick." we've been walking softly in regards to certain issues lately. such as China, illegal immigration, etc. i think it's time we quit the politically correct crap and kick ass where it's needed. iraq did need our help. we've given it to them, they will be fine. on to the next objective now.
You cant just bring the troops home and pull out once you have won a war.
How long have we had troops staioned in europe????
The question is not how to win a war, it is what you do after you have won it, pulling out would have horrible reprecussions in that region for years, you think we are unpopular overseas now?
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You cant just bring the troops home and pull out once you have won a war.
How long have we had troops staioned in europe????
The question is not how to win a war, it is what you do after you have won it, pulling out would have horrible reprecussions in that region for years, you think we are unpopular overseas now?
Good point, BP,
BUT the troops in Europe were only there a few years for peacekeeping purposes. After that, we kept them there to deter the USSR. Our troops in Japan came home much quicker.
And in Iraq, we've been there over 4 years after "Mission Accomplished." The post-invasion planning was so poor that it's not getting better! Maybe the UN needs to go in and help after we leave, but we need to leave. Our very presence is causing problems. But I am glad you recognize that we have "won." It's not going to be defeat or retreat when we leave. It will be because we got tired of losing American troops for someone else's civil war.
BTW, I'm still up for a ride in NE OK or NW Arkansas someday. I was in Tulsa on my bike (for a meeting) in late August, but I had no time on either side of the meeting for fun. :cry:
We also still have bases in Japan, once you pacify a nation there is a long term commitment involved. Sorry but I have access to a retired Colonel who went through command and general staff college that also happens to be a military history buff and our reasons for maintaining a presence in Germany all these years was not just to deter the USSR as you have stated.
As for the ride anytime your headed this way just shout. I had intended to ride with a few local guys this weekend but I had the posted dates mixed up in my head and went to the Gunshow on the day of the ride.
tg, media matters, to me, is not an impartial source. to me it is aligned with moveon.org., but, is that the only source, if so, who is to say that they didnt alter it. im not saying they did, or did not. ive got liberal friends. we have interesting discussions. i dont know if you dislike conservatives, or not. honestly dont care either :cheers:, BUT all i ask is someone has a fair view. i.e willing to listen to BOTH sides of any story, before a decision is made. and to make said decision based on fact ( or available facts), not just opinions alone. ive got a feeling the closer the '08 elections come, well be having some discussions, and i pledge, that i will keep them civil. Until then ( discussions) cheers :cheers: :thumb:
YHKZ, I do have conservative friends. My best riding buddy is one. We have some interesting debates. :laugh: I do pledge to keep it civil as well. I have strong feelings but I don't dislike the people who disagree with me (they're just wrong) :icon_twisted:
That said, I have a strong disdain (even dislike) for propagandists like Fox News or Rush. They tend to distort, deny, and later lie about mistakes. And at the same time they self-righteously claim to be "fair and balanced" or to represent "excellence in broadcasting." FWIW I dislike the liberal propagandists as well. Mediamatters.org is a fact-checking group. They are a liberal group, but they aren't propagandists.
Thanks for not letting this thread degenerate into name-calling BS. Anyone up for holding hands and singing Kumbaya now? :thumb:
i don't feel the media tells us the entire truth anyhow. i get the feeling sometimes that some bits and piece of someone's speech are taken completly out of context and blown out of proportion. and it doesn't seem to limit itself to one side or the other. it always is the same stuff seems to me. he said she said. different election year, different topics, same crappy handling of the situations. we always seem to be striving for something better.
tg instead of that, howsabout a drink :laugh:, this up and coming election, im not voting party lines. im voting like each candidate for each office, is applying for a specific job, and im selecting teh best one. so my works cut out for me. ive yet to see an honest politician :laugh:
Khumbaya??????
Screw that what are you retarded TG :2guns: :laugh:
I have been doing very well lately not getting offended, that being said...
I get to catch about 45 minutes a day of Rush when I am on lunch. The phony soldier comment was part of a monolouge which I did get to hear originally. The entire Monolouge needed to be heard to place that 1 sentence into perspective. IMHO mediamatters deliberately took that sentance out of context and delivered it to the majority leader who then fell for it hook line and sinker and never bothered to research the context where this statement was taken from. I feel it is wrong to attack any citizen for exercising their free speech rights, the senate floor was a wholly innapropriate forum for discussing such a matter. And to cower behind laws allowing him to say anything without penalty of slander charges because it was being conducted as senate business give me a break Mr. Reid. These are not the people I want representing me. I would have been just as outraged had this occured and the speaker being publicly lambasted was James Carvelle or The Reverend Jesse Jackson. This was a trivial waste of time by lawmakers and a wholly wasteful expenditure of taxpayer dollars.
Where is Lee harvey Oswald when his country needs him...
i don't think you need him necessarily. anyone handy with a .50 cal that needs a few bucks will do. :laugh:
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Khumbaya??????
Screw that what are you retarded TG :2guns: :laugh:
I have been doing very well lately not getting offended, that being said...
I get to catch about 45 minutes a day of Rush when I am on lunch. The phony soldier comment was part of a monolouge which I did get to hear originally. The entire Monolouge needed to be heard to place that 1 sentence into perspective. IMHO mediamatters deliberately took that sentance out of context and delivered it to the majority leader
Read the Media Matters site report of this -- they have several paragraphs of Rush bloviating prior to and after the sentence in question.
And, NO, I'm not we todd did. :cheers: