So I go to San Diego last night with a friend. He wants to check out a bar for business purposes. We check it out and then go downtown. My buddy wants to go into a club and offers to pay my cover so I agree.
We get in and move along the bar. Nice place, kind of grown-up meathead crowd. I am sober and my friend has had 2 beers in 2 hours.
This well built dude passes and pushes into me with his body while he walks by. I look at the room he has behind him and this action is highly questionable. I think its odd but keep walking.
Second guy walks by. Very beefy and thick, 40 something, 180 lbs+. He pushes me even harder. I look. This guy had PLENTY of room so it is pure intimidation. I push him back. The guy shoves both of us back and stops. My buddy gets in his face, he is Bulgarian and doesn't take crap from anybody. The guy though is fifty pounds bigger than either of us. I try and restrain my friend a little, and tell the guy "just don't shove".
Then my buddy grabs the guy by the chin and tells him to f off.
The guy straightarms shoves my friend in the face throwing him downward and out of my view completely.
I am sober and thinking clearly. But. What he has done has REALLY gone over the line.
I took wing chun kung fu this summer so I learned how to punch from the center of my body, knuckles vertical. I straight-punch him in the jaw. He swings for me with both arms and his drink glass or fist bounces off my temple. He is off balance, then his arms are out and almost on me. I punch him directly in the face between his outstretched arms. His eyes close and his head turns as my knuckles meet his nose and upper lip. Later there will be a lot of blood coming out of there, but for now it just seems like a regular punch, not enough. He does not go down at all.
He does buckle a bit, reels back, is getting his feet under him, and in his mind has already brutally murdered me and disposed of my body. If he comes back strong I realize this could be over really fast.
I realize I will have to hit him again so I am looking at his face (very mad and incredulous), thinking only of how to hit it, when I am lifted off the ground in a full nelson and carried out by a bouncer.
My friends nose is broken and bleeding all over his face by the time he is brought out.
The guy is even worse off. Apparently my friend hit him once but it is probably me who broke his nose and gave him a mega fatlip with my second punch. This is highly satisfying to me. The dude's face was focked and he was still dabbing it with a napkin when we left. His upper teeth are why my pinky knuckle was dripping blood and is still swollen today. I'm so glad that guy never got to kick our asses and get away with it.
The bouncers defended us to the manager and cops, the cops were cool and did't let him press charges, and they let us go within a couple of minutes.
We went to a taco place on 4th or 5th.
San Diego. Woot! I remember my neighbor saying that there are "bro's" there, san diego dudes, and that "bro's" had attitude, more so than in LA, and that he was tired of that. Now I get it. Still, SD is a beautiful place. I think we will go back soon... :flipoff:
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Mmmm... Fighting :laugh: Thought no one did that after middle school unless it involved life or death situations?
I think that bar fights with no meaning are about as childish as pissin your pants. Way to make an ass of yourself :cheers:
Next time someone pushes into you and starts trouble... walk away :thumb:
I am being a jerk about this because I was at a bar with a friend of mine... he was a bit drunk, I was a bit drunk and another (muscle head) was a bit drunk.... Well the two of them got into it because of the manly.. you bumped into me attitude and a fight broke out.. The guy was kickin the shaZam! out of my friend... My friend gave him one good punch... Dude fell backwards and cracked his head off of the bands sound board.....
DEAD :o
Yep.. the guy died right there in the bar.
Just like that... My friend is a murder spending the next 8-12 years in jail because "Someone bumped into him and didn't say sorry"
Think about the big picture next time. If the fight isn't worth life or death don't. Plain and simple :cheers: After that life changing event I think of fighting like pulling a gun. I will never knuckle up with you unless I plan on killing you :thumb:
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What ScottpA said. Yea there are some real jerks out there who will DELIBERATELY bump into you to start a fight... you need to walk away from it. If they attack you defend yourself till you can get away.
No one really realises just how frail the human body is, it takes one punch, one bang to the head or one fall and thats it dead. Just like Scott said. If your not prepared to deal with killing someone walk away.
I used to live in a bloody rough area near Leeds in Yorkshire (northish england) the whole area we lived in was riddled with drugs, knife crime, gun crime, all sorts of nasty shaZam! and i've had to defend myself against people with knives and i tell you that is the scariest shaZam! you can be involved in - funnily enough not because a knife was involved but because if you end up with the knife the first thing you want to do is to attack back to make sure they arn't a threat to you and you have to actually stop yourself from doing it. We've moved down south now where things are far quieter and far less violent but i still find it funny because when i was back in high school kids would be starting fights all the time and seemed to think it was pathetic that i would always walk away from a fight ... but that's cos i know what can happen.
Just don't do it. Its not acceptable no.. tell the staff or just move on. A fight one night over someone been an arse is not worth you life. And stating that isn't and over reaction.
Too bad laws support wussification of modern man and protect bullies because they don't have to fear being knocked on their ass.
Oklahoma supports first strike defense you only have to hit me once before I can fight back, so if you strike me it better not be some kitty cat stiff arm school yard crap because if you don't take me out on the first blow you will have a fight you won't forget.
Nightrider didn't they teach you open palm strikes for hard bony targets and fists for soft tissue targets.
That being said glad it turned out well but a bump can not be construed as a strike in most cases and when your buddy reached out and grabbed someone he was the person that comitted assault. Been through a few of these issues in my past. And having lived in Cali I am amazed that you aren't in jail.
I had a simular situation happen but i managed to pull my friend away before punches got thrown. The owner grabbed me as we left and told us to come back in an hour, Drinks on him and thanked us for not starting shaZam!.
Turns out this guy had started doing this alot recently and the bar lost a lot of money replace/fixing the damage.
Trust me man walk away. Like the guys above said, nothing in a bar is worth going to jail over.
I am pretty levelheaded. I made a decision based on what had happened up to that point. But I know what you guys are saying. :bowdown:
There is a time to walk away and there is a time to sock the big guy who straightarmed your friend.
If anyone is getting killed it's most likely going to be me. I weigh 128, am 5'9" and that is stretching it.
yes python, they taught the open palm stuff. He failed to communicate it as a strike though, I always just thought it was to block the other guy's vision or centerline :dunno_white:
Here you go i got round to taking a picture of the aftermath of one of the knife attacks i ended up in.....
Its only about 3.5 inch long but bloody deep hence the large scar.
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Quote from: nightrider on November 11, 2007, 04:13:00 PM
I am pretty levelheaded. I made a decision based on what had happened up to that point. But I know what you guys are saying. :bowdown:
There is a time to walk away and there is a time to sock the big guy who straightarmed your friend.
If anyone is getting killed it's most likely going to be me. I weigh 128, am 5'9" and that is stretching it.
yes python, they taught the open palm stuff. He failed to communicate it as a strike though, I always just thought it was to block the other guy's vision or centerline :dunno_white:
If someone grabs my face I'd push them off of me too. Bump aside, your buddy was the one that really crossed the line first. A couple of shoves can be brushed off pretty easily, but grabbing at someone's grill is a little too personal for most people. He's actually lucky all the guy did was shove him, rather than knocking him out. I'd have to agree that bar fights are foolish. I've managed to avoid them, but all the times that I've almost been in them a female has been the instigator. Usually she's drunk and goes off on some dude for saying crap to her. Thankfully my girlfriends relatively level-headed, but her sister and some of her friends are really mouthy. After they piss guys off at the bar, they expect us (the guys with her) to handle the aftermath. Very annoying.
i used to fight alot when i was younger. i'm only 26 now so i'm not really that old but in terms of maturity i've aged alot over the past few years. ten years ago things were a little different in the world. you could threaten to beat someone's face in without fear of being arrested for simple words. you could even commence to do the beating and many times it wasn't the law you were worried about. it was going home to the ole man that was the worst part. :laugh: now that i'm a little older and a little wiser though i try to avoid fighting if i can. i agree with BP on this issue. if you must use violence, it better be lethal and it better be worth it. if you wanna fight just to fight, take up boxing or MMA etc. it's just not worth my hassle to bust someone's nose over some "he said she said shaZam!" or a little shove etc. if i'm going to spend time away from my family sitting in jail because some moron decided to hit me well, sorry buddy, but i'm gonna do my damn best to make sure you never make that mistake again. with anyone. the law has been on the side of the bullies for so long and although in many places things are changing to allow you to defend yourself it's still a hassle. so make sure it's worth it.
SD = military jugheads...
Seems theres a more unhinged or wilder vibe down there. I wouldnt be surprised to learn that the guys were Navy or ex Navy.
Fighting is bad. You don't wanna fight anyone in a public place period. The only reason you should ever fight in public is if you fear for your life, or your safety. There are a lot of crazy people that will kill you for the hell of it in a bar. having taken alittle kung fu, you should know that the most dangerous opponent you can have is one that has no respect for you what so ever. Hence, assume everyone has no respect for you and walk away/run away/call the police/yell for help. It's better to run and live, then to trade punches with some meat head with AIDS, open up a cut on your hand, and trade blood with them. Get a blood test, and next time wear some comfortable running shoes to the bar. I still do this, and I'm 6'0" 215lbs, and have taken some form of martial art the majority of my life. I can fight like a rabid dog, but that is reserved for life or death situations only, because that's what's going to happen, somebody is gonna die, and hopefully it wont be me.
Just remember, if attacked, defend yourself and get away. Don't trade punches with anyone. Too many people have dirty blood. Use a weapon to create distance ie...a chair, bar stool, table. Only close with and destroy if you are willing to live with the consequences: jail time, contraction of diseases, or your own demise.
Being a tough guy isn't what make you cool. Being able to control yourself and deescalate situations is what it's all about. Also knowing that you can handle anything thrown your way is a great feeling. If you want to kick butt and have fun, then go to your local dojo. you might get to the point where you enjoy getting your butt kick too. And quit watching HUMAN WEAPON and starting fights in the street. :laugh:
Quote from: pantablo on November 12, 2007, 11:13:33 PM
SD = military jugheads...
It's Jar Heads, and it's considered derogatory by most, so use it sparingly. Some of the "jugheads" on this site like myself might get offended.
On a side note, did you take time to thank a veteran this past veterans day?
Quote from: Jarrett on November 13, 2007, 01:08:29 AM
Fighting is bad. You don't wanna fight anyone in a public place period. The only reason you should ever fight in public is if you fear for your life, or your safety. There are a lot of crazy people that will kill you for the hell of it in a bar. having taken alittle kung fu, you should know that the most dangerous opponent you can have is one that has no respect for you what so ever. Hence, assume everyone has no respect for you and walk away/run away/call the police/yell for help. It's better to run and live, then to trade punches with some meat head with AIDS, open up a cut on your hand, and trade blood with them. Get a blood test, and next time wear some comfortable running shoes to the bar. I still do this, and I'm 6'0" 215lbs, and have taken some form of martial art the majority of my life. I can fight like a rabid dog, but that is reserved for life or death situations only, because that's what's going to happen, somebody is gonna die, and hopefully it wont be me.
Just remember, if attacked, defend yourself and get away. Don't trade punches with anyone. Too many people have dirty blood. Use a weapon to create distance ie...a chair, bar stool, table. Only close with and destroy if you are willing to live with the consequences: jail time, contraction of diseases, or your own demise.
Being a tough guy isn't what make you cool. Being able to control yourself and deescalate situations is what it's all about. Also knowing that you can handle anything thrown your way is a great feeling. If you want to kick butt and have fun, then go to your local dojo. you might get to the point where you enjoy getting your butt kick too. And quit watching HUMAN WEAPON and starting fights in the street. :laugh:
well said sir. well said :cheers: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: O0