TAKE A FEW MOMENTS AND READ THIS LETTER. THESE ARE STRONG, POWERFUL AND COURAGEOUS WORDS COMING FROM A RETIRED ARMY
> > COLONEL.
> >
> > AND READ WHAT LINCOLN HAD TO SAY AT THE END. WOW!
> >
> > 33 Senators voted against English as America's Official Language on June 6, 2007.
> > On Wed. 6 June 2007 23:35:23 - 0500 Colonel Harry Riley, USA Ret. wrote:
> >
> > Senators:
> >
> > Your vote against an amendment to the immigration Bill 1348 to make English America's official language is astounding. On D-Day, no less, when we honor those that sacrificed in order to secure the bedrock, character and principles of America, I can only surmise your vote reflects a loyalty to illegal aliens. I don't much care where you come from, what your religion is, whether you're black or white or some other color, male or female, Democrat, Republican or Independent. But I do care when you are a United States Senator representing citizens of America, and vote against English as the official language of the United States.
> >
> > Your vote reflects betrayal, political surrender, violates your Pledge of Allegiance, dishonors historical principle, rejects patriotism, borders on traitorous action and, in my opinion, makes you unfit to serve as United States Senators; impeachment, recall or other appropriate action is warranted --- or worse.
> >
> > Four of you voting against English as America's official language are presidential candidates: Senator Biden, Senator Clinton, Senator Dodd and Senator Obama; four Senators vying to lead America, but won't or don't have the courage to cast a vote in favor of 'English' as America's official language when 91% of American citizens want English officially designated as our language.
> >
> > This is the second time in the last several months this list of Senators have disgraced themselves as 'policital Hacks', unworthy as Senators and certainly unqualified to serve as President of the United States.
> >
> > If America is as angry as I am, you will realize a backlash so stunning it will literally 'rock you out of your panties' --- and preferably totally out of the United States Senate.
> >
> > The entire immigration bill is a farce. Your action only confirms this really isn't about America, it is about self-serving politics --- despicable at best. It has been said: 'Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level!'
> >
> > The following Senators voted against making English the official language of America:
> >
> > Akaka (D-HI)
> > Bayh (D-IN)
> > Biden (D-DE) (wants to be President)
> > Bingaman (D-NM)
> > Boxer (D-CA)
> > Cantwell (D-WA)
> > Clinton (D-NY) (wants to be President)
> > Dayton(D-MN)
> > Dodd (D-MN) (wants to be President)
> > Domenici (R-NM) (coward, protecting his senate seat)
> > Durbin (D-IL)
> > Feingold (D-win) (not unusual for him)
> > Feinstein (D-ca)
> > Harkin (D-IA)
> > Inouye (D-hi)
> > Jeffords (I-VT)
> > Kennedy - (D-ma)
> > Kerry (D-ma) (tried to be President)
> > Kohl (D-WI))
> > Lautenberg (D-NJ)
> > Leahy (D-VT)
> > Levin (D-MI)
> > Lieberman (I-CT) (disappointment here)
> > Menendez (D-NJ)
> > Mikulski (D-MD)
> > Murray (D-WA)
> > Obama (D-IL) (wants to be President)
> > Reed (D-RI)
> > Reid (D-NV) (Senate Majority Leader)
> > As Lazar (D-CO)
> > Sarbanes (D-MD)
> > Schumer (D-NY)
> > Stabenow (D-M
> >
> > PRESIDENT ABRAHAM LINCOLN stated:
> > 'Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime, that damage morale and undermine the military, are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged!'
> >
> > PLEASE KEEP THIS GOING AROUND THE UNITED STATES TILL THE ELECTION!
if that is real, i feel for this country. some will prolly say in effect it was made up by some right wing nutjob or the like. ive said in the past, if you come to this country, ( legally) welcome, if you want to speak yoyur language go for it. but english is what we speak. if i went (or moved) to your country, id be expected to learn your language :mad: ( but would still be allowed to speak my own)
It's partially true. Read the entry on Snopes.com (the urban legend repository) for more information.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/englishvote.asp
DLW
voting on a official language in America is a moot point. i suspect the whole process was nothing more than politics as usual in washington.
As usual, the rightwing talking points are flawed.
Everyone always says something to the effect of "If they came here legally, I'd be all for it." Well, do you know how many Mexicans are allowed to immigrate each year? Less than 200,000. With an estimated 12 million illegal Mexicans here, it would take something like 60 YEARS to let that many in.
When the number we allow is so out of proportion to the demand (and when the economic situation is so totally wrong in Mexico), AND when there are thousands of American companies (GOP donors, cough, cough) hiring them to undercut labor costs of citizens, there will be millions of people crossing illegally. Duh.
If any one of us were born in Mexico (and it is only luck that we were not -- certainly not anything we earned) and could see that the economic situation in the US was so much better, we'd do WHATEVER we had to do to provide for our families. I certainly would, and I would not apologize for it.
Yes, they should learn the language, and yes, they should not get handouts from US taxpayers, but I find the whole immigration debate to be grandstanding -- nothing more.
Quote from: trumpetguy on January 22, 2008, 04:59:43 PM
As usual, the rightwing talking points are flawed.
Everyone always says something to the effect of "If they came here legally, I'd be all for it." Well, do you know how many Mexicans are allowed to immigrate each year? Less than 200,000. With an estimated 12 million illegal Mexicans here, it would take something like 60 YEARS to let that many in.
When the number we allow is so out of proportion to the demand (and when the economic situation is so totally wrong in Mexico), AND when there are thousands of American companies (GOP donors, cough, cough) hiring them to undercut labor costs of citizens, there will be millions of people crossing illegally. Duh.
If any one of us were born in Mexico (and it is only luck that we were not -- certainly not anything we earned) and could see that the economic situation in the US was so much better, we'd do WHATEVER we had to do to provide for our families. I certainly would, and I would not apologize for it.
Yes, they should learn the language, and yes, they should not get handouts from US taxpayers, but I find the whole immigration debate to be grandstanding -- nothing more.
Yea thats great and all...but whatever happened to facing your problems and trying to fix them yourself. I really dont see to many mexicans trying to better their country. I Do see a lot of them fleeing to america and doing construction jobs , boarding 20 people up in 3 bedroom house, and squandering their money on booze, chains, and rims for their dodge or chevy....Ya great improvement for us. Can someone also explain to me why i have to try to find the correct side of a box to read its contents. Instead of it being halfway covered in spanish....why not polish or arabic...They are staying here too...Im just tired of illegal border jumpers bringing their problems into this country and forcing us to help/deal with them.. I believe we have enough of our own..
uhh my racism radar is hitting the red area :nono:
Well trumpetguy. You nor anyone else should speculate what we all would do If we were born and raised in Mexico. Thats just silly of you.
Also, our economy isn't very far away from becoming Mexicoish. (Dramatization of course)
-Anti 8)
Quote from: The Antibody on January 22, 2008, 08:27:55 PM
Well trumpetguy. You nor anyone else should speculate what we all would do If we were born and raised in Mexico. Thats just silly of you.
Why do you say that? Have you
been to Mexico? I have been many times (twice in the last year), and I have seen people living in cardboard shacks less than a mile from the Texas border. You mean to tell me you wouldn't leave there if you could, to make exponentially more money? Silly, indeed...
Quote from: trumpetguy on January 22, 2008, 04:59:43 PM
Yes, they should learn the language, and yes, they should not get handouts from US taxpayers, but I find the whole immigration debate to be grandstanding -- nothing more.
from both sides of both parties
maybe the language thing is a moot point. but if you honestly don't think or see that illegal immigration is hurting us as a country i beg you to look again with a more open mind. illegals get free handouts paid for by us. and should someone such as myself stand up and say something about it, well, then i'm just labeled as being racist. it's not about race. i don't give a damn what color your skin is. get your ass off the couch and work and earn your wage and pay your taxes and pay for your medical care etc just like everyone else and we won't have a problem. call me racist if you like. if you'd like to talk about racism i'd be glad to post an email concerning that as well. :icon_mrgreen:
Quote from: jserio on January 22, 2008, 09:52:34 PM
maybe the language thing is a moot point. but if you honestly don't think or see that illegal immigration is hurting us as a country i beg you to look again with a more open mind. illegals get free handouts paid for by us. and should someone such as myself stand up and say something about it, well, then i'm just labeled as being racist. it's not about race. i don't give a damn what color your skin is. get your ass off the couch and work and earn your wage and pay your taxes and pay for your medical care etc just like everyone else and we won't have a problem. call me racist if you like. if you'd like to talk about racism i'd be glad to post an email concerning that as well. :icon_mrgreen:
The illegals who are working for paychecks (as opposed to cash) have fake Social Security numbers. They are paying income taxes and FICA taxes which they will never see back in refunds or benefits.
Most of the illegals with whom I have worked have been very dedicated to family and worked VERY hard. They slept on the floor in a small apartment shared with their cousins and sent all their money (after rent and food) home except for $25 a week they kept to spend. They didn't want handouts -- just a job. To make a blanket statement like "illegals get free handouts paid for by us" is simply a gross generalization. I have seen guesstimates (see bottom of page here (http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/taxes.asp)) that say it's actually a profitable venture for the government having them here, with possibly a large net gain by the feds and a smaller deficit by local governments.
I'm not calling you a racist. But generalizations like you are making are (by definition) prejudice.
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on January 22, 2008, 09:10:07 PM
Quote from: trumpetguy on January 22, 2008, 04:59:43 PM
Yes, they should learn the language, and yes, they should not get handouts from US taxpayers, but I find the whole immigration debate to be grandstanding -- nothing more.
from both sides of both parties
That's absolutely true! :thumb:
Quote from: trumpetguy on January 22, 2008, 10:10:19 PM
The illegals who are working for paychecks (as opposed to cash) have fake Social Security numbers. They are paying income taxes and FICA taxes which they will never see back in refunds or benefits.
And I know one of those people who've had their SS#'s
stolen by an illegal. It's caused him GREAT problems for years, and he still hasn't ironed the mess out.
I'm not a racist when I say that that's just plain wrong. It's also just plain wrong to enter a country illegally. I've visited Mexico, too, and I've seen the shacks.... I've also seen the middle- and upper-class neighborhoods. It's actually a lot like.... well...here. ;)
I've known people who've been hit by illegals, and they have absolutely NO legal recourse to collect for damaged cars and medical expenses.
I've also lived in a neighborhood where each time a family of 2 or 3 moved out, a "family" of 20 or more moved in, taking up the neighborhood resources (parking for one), and having little sense of community or respect for the property of others. Across the street, a large "family" moved in, and they rented out bedrooms.... one of the tenants used a front window as a front door...and this window was high off the ground...and they had a child... The first time I saw this, I thought someone was breaking into the house... I was shocked to find out that that was the usual method of entry...
I don't think that being against illegal behaviour makes one a racist. I don't think that wanting current laws enforced is being racist. I don't believe that seeing and commenting on the closed/gutted hospitals is being racist. Within the last year, a huge hospital in San Jose, CA, closed due to the fact that their biggest "customers" were illegals, for whom they were paid very little by the gov't. This is a HUGE loss to the community, and is a direct effect of the influx of illegals.
I believe that most of the jobs held by illegals would be filled by citizens or legal immigrants if the illegals weren't working....
illegally.
I do agree with you completely, however, that the present immigration "discussion" is more political than anything, but it's real in the minds of many, especially those who are directly affected by the problems brought by illegals who don't know how to (and/or just plain don't want to) fit into our society.
Perhaps I'm a bit jaded after having lived in what used to be a very nice neighborhood, but one that is now a ghetto. I can't pretend not to be completely relieved and thankful to be out of that neighborhood. Interestingly enough, the neighborhood I live in presently is a melting pot with every possible ethnicity represented...but it's an entirely different world... :icon_confused:
wow. pandy does post genuine thoughts. :icon_mrgreen: honestly, i have to say i agree with much of what pandy said. she just said it better. :laugh:
CHEAP TOMATOES
This one tells it like it really is..............Hope you read it all...........
THIS HAS GOT TO BE PASSED ALONG TO AS MANY AS POSSIBLE OR WE WILL ALL GO DOWN THE DRAIN BECAUSE A FEW DON'T CARE.
This English teacher has phrased it the best I've seen yet
.................................................................
Tomatoes and Cheap Labor
CHEAP TOMATOES?
This should make everyone think, be you Democrat, Republican or
Independent
From a California school teacher - - -
"As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal
immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:
I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a
large southern California high school which is designated a Title
1 school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic
and income levels.
Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell
Gardens, Huntington Park, etc., where these students are
protesting, are also Title 1 schools.
Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program.
When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and
roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices
that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is
monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash
uneaten. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)
I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at
least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell
phones. The school also provides day care centers for the unwed
teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend
class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for
babysitters or having family watch their kids. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT
WORK)
I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing
funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need
for anything; my budget was already substantial.. I ended up
buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of
which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the
appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to
have a free education in America. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)
I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute
teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students
here in the country less then 3 months who raised so much hell
with the female teachers, calling them "Putas" whores and throwing
things that the teachers were in tears.
Free medical, free education, free food, day care etc., etc, etc.
Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country
but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?
To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants
contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and
housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some
time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.
Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical
costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools,
overcrowding, new diseases etc., etc., etc. For me, I'll pay more
for tomatoes.
We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster
because we won't have the guts to enforce it.
Does anyone in their right mind really think they will voluntarily
leave and return?
There are many hardworking Hispanic/American citizens that
contribute to our country and many that I consider my true
friends. We should encourage and accept those Hispanics who have
done it the right and legal way.
It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-
world culture that does not value education, that accepts children
getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses
to assimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak and
worried about "politically correctness" that we don't have the
will to do anything about it.
If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to
everyone you know.
CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?
Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.
Consumers don't want expensive produce.
Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.
But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a
myth, a farce, and a lie. there is no such thing as "cheap labor."
Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children.
He takes a job for $5.00 or $6.00/hour. At that wage, with six
dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if
he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit"
of up to $3,200 free.
He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.
He qualifies for food stamps.
He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.
His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.
He requires bilingual teachers and books.
He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.
If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for
SSI. Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare. All of
this is at (our) taxpayer's expense.
He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or
homeowners insurance.
Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed
material.
He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour
in benefits.
Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after
paying their bills and his.
The American taxpayers also pay for increased crime, graffiti and
trash clean-up.
Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT! Wake up people.
THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING TO THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES FOR EITHER PARTY. 'AND WHEN THEY LIE TO US AND DON'T DO AS THEY SAY, WE SHOULD REPLACE THEM AT ONCE!'
THIS HAS GOT TO BE PASSED ALONG TO AS MANY AS POSSIBLE OR WE WILL ALL GO DOWN THE DRAIN BECAUSE A FEW DON'T CARE.
Quote from: jserio on January 22, 2008, 10:52:54 PM
wow. pandy does post genuine thoughts. :icon_mrgreen: honestly, i have to say i agree with much of what pandy said. she just said it better. :laugh:
Shhhh...don't tell anyone...I have a reputation to maintain.... :cookoo: 8)
Ummm yeah right :nono: :flipoff: :kiss3: :laugh:
Quote from: jserio on January 21, 2008, 11:34:24 PM
> > PRESIDENT ABRAHAM LINCOLN stated:
> > 'Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime, that damage morale and undermine the military, are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged!'
No he didn't, and maybe you ought to take a step back and think about what you're doing when you fabricate a quote and slap a respected president's name on it so people don't call you on your bullshit. Freedom is not about obeying authority. Free speech is about the right to stand up and disagree with the actions of one's government, among other things.
http://www.factcheck.org/article415.html
Also, you say that illegal immigration is hurting our country because they're getting free handouts. Why is it that you don't think the FREE HANDOUTS are hurting our country, not the illegal immigrants?
edit:
Quote from: nastynate6695 on January 22, 2008, 05:42:55 PM
Yea thats great and all...but whatever happened to facing your problems and trying to fix them yourself. I really dont see to many mexicans trying to better their country. I Do see a lot of them fleeing to america and doing construction jobs , boarding 20 people up in 3 bedroom house, and squandering their money on booze, chains, and rims for their dodge or chevy....Ya great improvement for us. Can someone also explain to me why i have to try to find the correct side of a box to read its contents. Instead of it being halfway covered in spanish....why not polish or arabic...They are staying here too...Im just tired of illegal border jumpers bringing their problems into this country and forcing us to help/deal with them.. I believe we have enough of our own..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_%28United_States_Census%29
Any further questions? Or was that a rhetorical question.
edit 2:
Wartime??? WHAT war? Congress never passed a declaration of war. And there is certainly no war in which giving instructions in Spanish is giving aid and comfort to our enemies.
it does appear you're right about the Lincoln quote. however, i was not the originator of the quote in question. if you had actually read my entire beginning post you would know this. i merely stated it was an intresting email i had gotten. one of those things that gets forwarded a thousad times. i was posting it for opinions on the matter. i personally don't care if that's what Lincoln said or not. that wasn't the point of the email in my mind. the point being that our Congress, whom we've voted into office, seems to feel like it's their duty to only pass laws that benefit them. if the majority of the people in this country want English to be our national language and wants a law or whatever the issue was stating this, then that's what our Congressmen and women should do. listen to the voters. don't just worry about the bills and laws that will only fatten your pocket.
Quote from: jserio on January 25, 2008, 09:40:44 PM
if the majority of the people in this country want English to be our national language and wants a law or whatever the issue was stating this, then that's what our Congressmen and women should do. listen to the voters. don't just worry about the bills and laws that will only fatten your pocket.
Right, just like how if the majority of people in this country want us to get out of Iraq NOW, we should get out of Iraq, despite the fact that contractors such as Halliburton, Blackwater and KBR are getting rich and sending lobbyists with suitcases full of cash to the politicians voting to continue the war.
kind of like that? oh but wait, I forgot, we're not a democracy, right? We're a representative republic because you can't just do what the majority wants, right? that would be craaazy.
edit: I'm sorry if I'm coming off harsh but I have not one shred of sympathy for your perspective. A thousand Americans a year and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis a year are dying in a country we shouldn't be in and neither Democrat nor Republican wants to address the problem. Please explain how not having English as our national language is a tragedy in the same order of magnitude as that.
you're assuming that i have a different view than you concering the war in Iraq. i don't. we really don't need to be there. however, our service men and women deserve our respect and support for doing the job asked of them. if the majority of americans feel we should be out, then yes, you're right, we should be. we are after all supposed to be a democracy. while having english as our national language may pale in comparrison to the war in Iraq, it is just another example of how our government shows little or no concern for the thoughts and views of voters like you and me. the only thing that matters is what lines their pockets. our government is nothing more at this point than a large corporation, willing to sell out it's workers(you and me) just to make them more money. we need serious changes. not empty promises. the media doesn't help either. i can't count how many times i've seen an ad for one candidate stating so and so was better than so and so. this person did this, but this person didn't. then, the very next comercial will be an ad for the other candidate and it will state the exact opposite of what the previous ad did. i don't believe honesty is a part of ANY campaigns. :mad:
good, glad to hear we're on the same page regarding Iraq. I'm a little annoyed Kucinich dropped out but I understand his reasons for doing so -- any thoughts on who you'll be voting for in the primaries?
i can't really say at this point. right now there still seems to be alot of he said she said crap going on. i hate sorting through it. to be honest, i haven't really delved into the potential candidates that much this year because of my frustrations with how the media presents them. how can i get an unbiased report on how the candidates really feel on the important issues in america? :dunno_white: not some media dressed up presentation. i think the war in Iraq needs to be addressed. our economy needs help. medical issues, mainly insurance need to be addressed. i hate the thought that my vote doesn't really seem to count. big businesses(such as oil companies etc) seem to be able to "buy" as many votes as they need every year. i honestly have not voted since i was 18 just because none of the candidates presented seemed worthy of the job. it's like i'm just trying to pick the lesser of 2 evils. :mad:
I'm in the same boat. I'm very unhappy with the majority of the candidates and without reforms such as approval voting I feel that it's very likely my vote will be wasted by the spoiler effect. I usually start with Wikipedia for reviewing candidates' political positions, because it's a good source of links to more authoritative sources on their backgrounds and voting histories.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Mitt_Romney
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_John_McCain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Rudy_Giuliani
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Mike_Huckabee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Barack_Obama
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Hillary_Clinton
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_John_Edwards
Fun fact: Apparently Giuliani actually supported McGovern for president in the 70s!
i lived in arkansas for a short time period. so i'm sorta familiar with Huckabee's stand on certain issues. i just did a quick read through of all the candidates on each of their campaign sites. seems everyone agrees we need to get out of Iraq. the only question is how and when. everyone seems to agree that the health care issues in america need changing. they all seem to agree that taxes need to be lower and government spending needs to be more tightly controlled. they all feel illegal immigration needs to be addressed. and they all apparently support the second ammendment. am leaving anything out? :laugh:
i don't consider myself to have a political party. i'm neither democrat or republican. at least in my own eyes anyways. i say vote the best candidate for the job regardless of their political party.
Quote from: jserio on January 26, 2008, 11:00:30 PM
seems everyone agrees we need to get out of Iraq. the only question is how and when. everyone seems to agree that the health care issues in america need changing. they all seem to agree that taxes need to be lower and government spending needs to be more tightly controlled. they all feel illegal immigration needs to be addressed. and they all apparently support the second ammendment. am leaving anything out? :laugh:
Well, none of those are really true. The Democrats and Ron Paul are the only ones who think we need to get out of Iraq. And the Democrats (Kucinich was the exception but he dropped out) all think we will still be in Iraq in 2013 which means they don't plan to do much about it. Since 70% of the country thinks we should end our involvement in Iraq within a year (google it), and most politicians will tell you what you want to hear, they will all say that they have plans to get out of Iraq. I don't think they mean it.
Lowering taxes is something only the Republicans completely agree on. The Democrats mostly think it's going to take a repeal of the Bush tax cuts to bring our national debt down and stave off rampant inflation.
The Democrats are all completely against the 2nd amendment. The Republicans are all for it except Giuliani and Romney who continually flip-flop on it depending on the state they're in. This is a trend with those two.
I have read the candidates' web sites and I listen to what they say at debates but I take all that with a grain of salt. I trust 3rd party sources much more than their own words. Bush ran on a completely different foreign policy than what he's brought about. Sure, 9/11 changed things, but he had a massive approval rating and used it to invade Iraq, spy on us, and destroy our civil liberties.
Please find the name and school of that "teacher" who wrote that diatribe, I would love to meet this person. As a teacher, I find it impossible to believe that anyone who gives half a shaZam! about their students would say any of that. The best is the graffiti bullshit. Have you met a teenager? I promise you that it is not only those rascally Mexicans who are scribing the fixtures in the room. And I feel so bad for the teachers who get cursed at in a language they don't understand. Try getting it thrown at you in English. Oh wait, native-born students are well-behaved and appreciative of what is offered to them. I keep forgetting this shaZam!.
If, and I hope this is not true, this was actually written by a teacher in California, I feel very sorry for his/her students. And I feel sorry for the person in question. Find another job; you suck at life.
And as far as I know, illegal immigrants cannot file tax returns (remember, they work all year and get away with not paying taxes, as was pointed out), so there is no Earned Income Credit for them. There is no tax return, period. I know that we don't all understand tax returns, but you are not receiving free money from the government for being a good boy all year. You f%&ked up and overpaid the government, thus giving them an interest-free loan, which they are sending back to you. So if you paid nothing...that's what you'll get back, puta.
In closing, let me quote my friend, Dr. Jackson, a real doctor at an important hospital somewhere in the United States (don't forget that America includes a lot more than this country):
"You are a duck"
if they are bold enough to steal a ss# in order to work, what makes you think they won't use that same ss# to file a tax return? :dunno_white:
Quote from: jserio on January 27, 2008, 09:20:19 PM
if they are bold enough to steal a ss# in order to work, what makes you think they won't use that same ss# to file a tax return? :dunno_white:
I think it's because if work finds out about a fake SS#, they just get fired. If the IRS finds out about using a fake SS#, they go to federal prison. I'm pretty sure even illegal immigrants are smart enough to know that federal prison is not worth a $50 tax return from their sub-minimum wage Job.
Quote from: asobi on January 25, 2008, 08:17:28 PM
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Quote from: nastynate6695 on January 22, 2008, 05:42:55 PM
Yea thats great and all...but whatever happened to facing your problems and trying to fix them yourself. I really dont see to many mexicans trying to better their country. I Do see a lot of them fleeing to america and doing construction jobs , boarding 20 people up in 3 bedroom house, and squandering their money on booze, chains, and rims for their dodge or chevy....Ya great improvement for us. Can someone also explain to me why i have to try to find the correct side of a box to read its contents. Instead of it being halfway covered in spanish....why not polish or arabic...They are staying here too...Im just tired of illegal border jumpers bringing their problems into this country and forcing us to help/deal with them.. I believe we have enough of our own..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_%28United_States_Census%29
Any further questions? Or was that a rhetorical question.
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Wartime??? WHAT war? Congress never passed a declaration of war. And there is certainly no war in which giving instructions in Spanish is giving aid and comfort to our enemies.
SO let me see if i read the wikipedia spot correctly What your saying is that the english language makes up roughly 85% and spanish covers 10... Than why is it that i have to hit one for english anytime i make a phone call.....
Oh and the war thing....True congress hasnt passed a declaration of war But when you invade a country and kill its people and they kill yours I believe this qualifies as war...Not to mention the time and money we have put into it....Look at korea For a long time it was a "conflict" not a war..YOu ask a vet who served there and see what they call it...
Quote from: asobi on January 27, 2008, 04:13:43 PM
The Democrats are all completely against the 2nd amendment.
Since when is sensible regulation being completely against the second amendment? If you think the second amendment means NO regulation, then you support allowing AK-47s on our streets. If you accept the regulation of automatic weapons, what is so different about banning handguns in high crime cities or areas (nevermind the argument that it doesn't work very well, I'm talking about principle)?
There is
not one Democrat who
completely opposes the right of citizens to keep and bear arms. WHICH arms is the only question. I don't think it should be easier to get a license to drive than to buy a handgun.
hey tg, if YOU had teh magic pen ( using that term loosely) to decide which guns a private citizen could have, and which they could not. what would they be/ :thumb: (tryin to get a liberals thoughts on that matter)
I think it is a matter of where it crosses the line from defense to being more potentially harmful. Freedom is not a cart-blanche term. I have the freedom of speech, but I cannot libel and slander others. I have the freedom of religion, but I cannot impose it on others.
There is a reason private citizens can't own guided missile systems in America- the potential for damage far outweighs the protection it provides.
With that said, we all come from different areas of life. I do believe that is a regulation that should have some fundamental federal restrictions, but should ultimately be left to the states for specifics. I wouldn't want every hoodlum running around Brooklyn and the Bronx legally owning a handgun- it does more harm than good in that situation. I'm sure, however, that in rural parts of the country, there are places where police can take a long time to respond and a handgun can be a necessity. Like I said, it's not cart-blanche, you have to draw the line at where it does more harm than good. I don't think there is any reason a private citizen needs to own a .50 Cal sniper rifle, and the potential of that in the wrong hands is far worse than the potential of it protecting someone in the right hands.
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on January 29, 2008, 02:47:20 AM
hey tg, if YOU had teh magic pen ( using that term loosely) to decide which guns a private citizen could have, and which they could not. what would they be/ :thumb: (tryin to get a liberals thoughts on that matter)
I think the laws concerning concealed carry permits are good. I'm not against anyone having handguns IF they are trained in how to use them. To me, the issue is education in safety and sense. Statistics show that the handgun purchased by Joe Average for "protection" is more likely to be used to harm someone in his own household (either intentionally or accidentally) than used to stop a crime.
Criminals are going to be criminals, and they don't care what the law says (or they wouldn't be criminals!). But fewer handguns in nightstands means fewer of them get stolen and land in the hands of criminals. More of them in gun safes and with trigger locks means fewer guns in the hands of criminals.
Hunting weapons are fine with me (although I'm not a hunter), but I don't think we need an influx of assault weapons on our streets. Likewise, I don't think citizens need to be able to purchase a .50 caliber weapon. I cannot think of a hunting situation where that would be needed (possibly large elephants).
Quote from: nastynate6695 on January 28, 2008, 07:40:20 PM
SO let me see if i read the wikipedia spot correctly What your saying is that the english language makes up roughly 85% and spanish covers 10... Than why is it that i have to hit one for english anytime i make a phone call.....
Why don't you ask the company you're calling? Obviously they've decided that providing a service to 10% of their customers and a 3-second inconvenience is better for their bottom line than the alternative. Or do you think the government should step in and tell companies that it is illegal to provide phone support en espanol, punishable by fines of $1,000 on first offense? Ball's in your court there pal. You might notice that the original post had nothing to do with hitting one for English on the phone.
Quote from: nastynate6695 on January 28, 2008, 07:40:20 PM
Oh and the war thing....True congress hasnt passed a declaration of war But when you invade a country and kill its people and they kill yours I believe this qualifies as war...Not to mention the time and money we have put into it....Look at korea For a long time it was a "conflict" not a war..YOu ask a vet who served there and see what they call it...
I'm not the one trying to justify having senators "arrested, exiled or hanged as saboteurs" because we're at war. Waging an aggressive war doesn't mean the administration gets a free pass to do whatever they want domestically. If you really think that putting troops into harm's way for no reason thousands of miles away is less harmful to our country than passing a bill to print some government documents in other languages, I guess that's your right. Surprising that people also choose to use the former to justify having sitting senators "arrested, exiled or hanged as saboteurs" though.
Quote from: CasiUSA on January 27, 2008, 10:53:27 PM
Quote from: jserio on January 27, 2008, 09:20:19 PM
if they are bold enough to steal a ss# in order to work, what makes you think they won't use that same ss# to file a tax return? :dunno_white:
I think it's because if work finds out about a fake SS#, they just get fired. If the IRS finds out about using a fake SS#, they go to federal prison. I'm pretty sure even illegal immigrants are smart enough to know that federal prison is not worth a $50 tax return from their sub-minimum wage Job.
You would be surprised how many companies except bad ss#. Because i live in florida and work in orlando as an electrician i see alot of illegals in the construction business. I know that most of the mason's (brick layers or cinderblock walls) are illegal and have talked to their foreman about some of the details involved in this. HE said they just send in a ss# and if its back the office calls them up and tells them its bad. Then they just try anotherone. He says other companies do this all the time.
Im not trying to justify haveing senators arrested exilied or hanged also..But what i am saying is that just because congress hasnt declared we are at war doesnt mean we are not.
And as far as fining companies that provide phone support in espanol.. not all for that...but again if you are going to help out one speaking minority then why not others. English is the main language of this country thousands of immigrants that migrated 50-100 years ago had to learn it to survive...why should it change for one race or sector??
Quote from: nastynate6695 on January 29, 2008, 07:20:11 PM
And as far as fining companies that provide phone support in espanol.. not all for that...but again if you are going to help out one speaking minority then why not others. English is the main language of this country thousands of immigrants that migrated 50-100 years ago had to learn it to survive...why should it change for one race or sector??
Nothing has changed. I don't know what the problem is with the way things are now or what you think should be changed.
js just drop all this crap plze
i merely posted an email i got. i found it intresting. i thought it would make an intresting post condidering our upcoming election. and so far everyone has been civil in their posts about it so i don't see a problem with this discussion.
so far its been mostly civil :thumb:
i'd like it to stay that way really. i mean seriously. we're all adults here right? we should be able to discuss things in a civil manner, whether or not we agree with someone. my father told me once that i had to learn to "agree to dissagree". just because 2 people have different views, doesn't make a reason to be all mean and hateful. :thumb:
shoulda seen what happened when i posted teh same email fwd ( teh racism one) was fine for a few days, tehn members here were wishing bodily harm on me :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
kranky franky no harm meant
and so far the racism email posts have been civil as well. i think we've matured as a board! :kiss3: :thumb: :laugh:
it took about 2 weeks tho on mine. ( exact same email fwd btw, i even edited teh language out too) hopefully we have matured :laugh: ;)