does anyone know how i can do a check on a bike with just the vins?
i need to kno 2 things
1 is the bike stolen or not
and
2.is there $ owed on the bike by p/o
i want to pay the guy for this 1990 gs500e but i wont untill i know these two things
im suspicious bout it cus the bike has no key locks as they are al broke out and the current owner has no title and he left it my neighbors house for over a yr...plus he wants so little for the bike since it runs and all..... he said the guy he bought it from lost the keys and title and thats why he is selling it so cheap..........is there like a toolbox/ compartment i can look in to see if theres some old registration? i cant find any compartment on this bike.....
get the vin, and post it here. well see what we can find O0
Or....................get the VIN and go down to your local police station, most don't charge for the service, those who do only charge a minimal amount.
or... look at the title. money owed will show as a lien on the bike. Don't do anything until you have the title in hand.
HE
DOESN'T
HAVE
THE
TITLE
seriously..........
yeah, compartment/toolbox.............pop the seat off, but you need the key for that. You can always beat the lock cylinder out of the housing for the seat release, grab the cable and open it that way.
there's this thing here in New York we call... a duplicate TITLE! And since ownership can't be transfered without a TITLE, the owner will need to get a new one! As long as he is the owner, he should be able to go the the DMV and get one. If he got it with no title, then the owner before him needs to get a new title to transfer it to him so that he can transfer it to you before he can register it. You can sell it all day long but registering it will be impossible without a title. Funny things, those titles.
Rob, you seem to be missing alot here.
The guy he is buying it from didnt have the titile either... It would be next to impossible to chase down or get another title for that bike. Unless you are buying it for parts I would leave it alone. :thumb:
That's what I was trying to get at... sorry, I'm sick, medicated and thinking fuzzy :oops:
Ehhh, long as it's not stolen you could register it in a few states as a 'custom build' insurance tends to suck on those though. So, yeah, parts bike if it's not stolen.
Get the bike's VIN checked really good to be sure it isn't stolen. If nothing comes up, take the bill of sale to an auto insurance company and get a title bond (means the insurance company insures that the bike isn't stolen). With a title bond, you should be able to get a title. You can do that in Mississippi anyway. Then it's a matter of changing out the seat lock and ignition lock.
Will
Quote from: RobTheTyrant on March 06, 2008, 07:06:31 AM
or... look at the title. money owed will show as a lien on the bike. Don't do anything until you have the title in hand.
he has no title.... he says he bought the bike from p/o without a title
Quote from: RobTheTyrant on March 06, 2008, 07:17:06 AM
there's this thing here in New York we call... a duplicate TITLE! And since ownership can't be transfered without a TITLE, the owner will need to get a new one! As long as he is the owner, he should be able to go the the DMV and get one. If he got it with no title, then the owner before him needs to get a new title to transfer it to him so that he can transfer it to you before he can register it. You can sell it all day long but registering it will be impossible without a title. Funny things, those titles.
here in michigan anyone can file for lost title on a vehicle.... the original owner on the original title will be contacted to verify tat the bike was sold but its not cheap and insurance is more plus theres a high chance they cant contact the original owner and they will confiscate bike usually when that and or if the bike comes up stolen happens. and i will get in trouble for purchasing stolen murchandise :cry:
Quote from: spcterry on March 06, 2008, 09:53:12 AM
Ehhh, long as it's not stolen you could register it in a few states as a 'custom build' insurance tends to suck on those though. So, yeah, parts bike if it's not stolen.
well i can either get a "builders title" or i can go to the salvage yard and get a frame with a title and pop the vin plate and have a salvage title :dunno_white: but i dont think geting a frame would be cheap......
actually if it were me and the price was crazy low (like $100 for a running bike) I'd say to hell with the possibilities, buy the bike, strip it downa nd swap onto a good and clear frame (less than $100), chop the old frame up and chuck it in the garbage. titled frames for little bikes like these are all over the place for good prices.
Quote from: makenzie71 on March 06, 2008, 07:24:26 PM
actually if it were me and the price was crazy low (like $100 for a running bike) I'd say to hell with the possibilities, buy the bike, strip it downa nd swap onto a good and clear frame (less than $100), chop the old frame up and chuck it in the garbage. titled frames for little bikes like these are all over the place for good prices.
wel the guy wants only $250 for the bike and ive got it running pretty good.... tank has major rot tho so i will be needning a tank
it has brand new brakes new tires new v&h exhaust put on by current owner....besides the vin......does the frame have any other serial numberS? if not ill buy a frame just for the vin plate as swapping vin plates is alot ezier than swapping everything else
swapping the VIN plate is illegal and hard to do in a manner that is not readily evident. It screams 'stolen'
At $250 I would probably buy it and swap everything over. You can probably get a frame and tank for $200. So, yeah, less than $500 and a saturday to do everything and you've got yourself a damn nice little bike.
Quote from: spcterry on March 06, 2008, 08:07:38 PM
swapping the VIN plate is illegal and hard to do in a manner that is not readily evident. It screams 'stolen'
At $250 I would probably buy it and swap everything over. You can probably get a frame and tank for $200. So, yeah, less than $500 and a saturday to do everything and you've got yourself a damn nice little bike.
true......arent the vin plates held on by just 2 rivets?....thats what im used to.....i used to take em off old dirtbikes id buy and ride w no vins
nice sig makenzie
yeah, pretty sure it's just 2 rivets. grinding em off will leave scratching on the plate that cops (at least here) are trained to look for.
For $250... BUY IT!
The VH will sell for $150 easy :thumb:
And the VIN is stamped in the frame now. :thumb: No more plate swapping crap... however, we "re-vin" bikes at work with a kit from Suzuki that looks like a basic punch set to me :thumb:
Quote from: scottpA_GS on March 06, 2008, 08:20:49 PM
For $250... BUY IT!
The VH will sell for $150 easy :thumb:
And the VIN is stamped in the frame now. :thumb: No more plate swapping crap... however, we "re-vin" bikes at work with a kit from Suzuki that looks like a basic punch set to me :thumb:
now yes but this is a 1990......il go check and see
Quote from: spcterry on March 06, 2008, 08:14:29 PM
yeah, pretty sure it's just 2 rivets. grinding em off will leave scratching on the plate that cops (at least here) are trained to look for.
thats why u use a small drill bit and drill out the center of the rivet pull the vin ...place new vin in place and re poprivet the vin with slightly larger rivets
I swear my 94 was riveted............ shouldn't even be a topic of discussion, if a cop sees a VIN plate that he suspects has been altered he has the right to have the vehicle impounded in most states. Just dedicate and afternoon to doing the full swap. It'll be good for you and the bike, you can make sure everything is nice and clean and in spec while forming a closer bond to the bike through your knowledge of it.
Just make a few phone calls, or do a carfax to see the history of the bike. When I purchased an old Jeep without a title, I carried the bill of sale to my insurance company and paid $65.00 for them to issue a title bond. With that, I was able to do to the courthouse and get a title for it in my name. Why swap anything out? Why go through all the trouble if the bike's already in decent shape. Why try to swap frames or vin's? It's simple. Call around and find a place that does title bonds and that way you're 100% legal, no questions asked!
^Because you can sometimes find a free frame and title and be out nothing but a little time. It's only about 6 hours work to do a swapand you don't have to do much running around. Plus, in some states you can't just get a title bond from the insurance agency and have the courthouse issue a new title...you have to go through a bonded title process ni Texas an you're looking at a minimum of $175 and 6 weeks. That's why I just got a new frame for my CX instead of getting a bonded title: it was going to cost me $225 to get the bond and I had to wait 4 weeks for a potential claim and two weeks for additional paperwork before even getting to fill out the title application...where as buying another frame and title cost $50 and 100 miles.
I see clearly now! Well, I'll be the first to say that I'm no expert on other state laws! It was worth a shot. ;)
well if i do go frame route.......i cannot just swap plates....its glued on
and if i get a frame it gives me the ability to paint it the color i had planned for the frame anyways.. metal flake/metallic red basically the same as the silvers look but in red with gloss black tank fender and tail with no suzuki emblems but maybe some bike parts logos and gs forum logos plus a nice new coat of engine paint on the motor and rims....also gloss black
lol idk id id be kinda unique with a bright orange engine, orange frame and everything else gloss black.....little weird tho id have to see it on a bike to like or dislike it. ya kno cus everyone else will have brushed aluminum or powdered black motor....id have problems hiding from cops tho u can change ur tank fender and tail paint ezily but for a motor its more work
Quote from: spcterry on March 06, 2008, 08:14:29 PM
yeah, pretty sure it's just 2 rivets. grinding em off will leave scratching on the plate that cops (at least here) are trained to look for.
thats what a drill bit is for, if one must go into thqat. BUT id say finda titled frame, a case of beer, and a friend with tools. and yoll have it done quickly
Yea ... cops freaking have never looked at my vin ... ever, not even in CA where I was stopped by a bike cop several times. Not even when I was in a at fault accident, and not when I was in a not at fault accident. I also know they cannot recognise one bike form another usually in many states. Show them a bike without logo's and give them a title/reg, they'd never question it.
Cool.
Srinath.
i think its funny you guys are having such a frank discussion about this stuff, and no negative nancies have pissed all over the party. just buy it, and rip it apart and make it yours. fact is if its been sitting for over a year, no one gives a shaZam! about it. all you need to cover your ass, unless you are a shady @$$hole and you end up in front of a judge that wants to rape you, is a bill of sale from the previous person in possession of it, thats all. then you are covered. break it down and do what you want with it, if you dont, someone else will, i certainly would. most people would, they simply wouldnt say so openly.
as for vin numbers, some cops will run them for you, and remember that they did when they see you on the bike, but also almost ALL dmvs have a service you pay a nominal amount for, and they run the vin number. its simple, legal, and accurate.
Oh yea, if its stolen, you definietly dont want any money owed on it ... :thumb:
Cool.
Srinath.
Quote from: lewismug on March 06, 2008, 08:51:33 PM
Just make a few phone calls, or do a carfax to see the history of the bike. When I purchased an old Jeep without a title, I carried the bill of sale to my insurance company and paid $65.00 for them to issue a title bond. With that, I was able to do to the courthouse and get a title for it in my name. Why swap anything out? Why go through all the trouble if the bike's already in decent shape. Why try to swap frames or vin's? It's simple. Call around and find a place that does title bonds and that way you're 100% legal, no questions asked!
whats the point of a bill of sale from someone who never "legally" owned the bike to an insurance company?.... its still in the guys name who the person im buying it from bought it from .....maby
so theres no way in hell any insurance agency will accept it cus itd be no different than having a total stranger write a bill of sale for something they have never seen or owned to the insurance agency
Quote from: seshadri_srinath on March 07, 2008, 07:54:25 PM
Oh yea, if its stolen, you definietly dont want any money owed on it ... :thumb:
Cool.
Srinath.
well i dont mind owing the current owner
if you are too dumb to figure out what the value in getting a bos is, you probably wont last that long riding, so make sure to call me when you eat shiit so i can buy your bikes and make some money off them
...............OK :flipoff: :icon_mrgreen:
Quote from: cd on March 09, 2008, 03:20:09 AM
if you are too dumb to figure out what the value in getting a bos is, you probably wont last that long riding, so make sure to call me when you eat shiit so i can buy your bikes and make some money off them
Some states give a lot of weight to a BOS including let you keep and register it if its old like GA I believe, but other states dont give a crap even if its from the previous owner like I believe CA and TX. NC does want BOS but it must me notarised and have title with it in the same name as previous owner. NC does not want a double transfer even if the state it is from allows it, and heck SC allows that.
So BOS has value depending on your state, it will more than likely keep you from getting arrested with a "stolen bike " while transporting it especially if you get the guy's license number and address and have it notarised in almost any state unless you're on the terrorist watch list.
Cool.
Srinath.
GA doesn't require anything more than a handwritten BOS for a vehicle over 25 years old. It doesn't matter who the Bill of Sale is from. SC appears to be awesome for registering shaZam!. It seems like they just don't care.........salvage, totalled, whatever if you want to register it they'll let you :dunno_white:
Quote from: spcterry on March 09, 2008, 09:45:53 AM
GA doesn't require anything more than a handwritten BOS for a vehicle over 25 years old. It doesn't matter who the Bill of Sale is from. SC appears to be awesome for registering shaZam!. It seems like they just don't care.........salvage, totalled, whatever if you want to register it they'll let you :dunno_white:
why cant michigan be like that