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Title: OK, no bind anymore.............I GOTTA DUC!!!!
Post by: spc on March 09, 2008, 05:29:07 PM
I may be able to trade my gixxer on a titled 2001 Duc 750ss trackbike.  I would obviously need to work out some sort of lighting arrangement, the guy just wants something he can go ahead and  ride.............without having to either get new fairings or figure out a custom install.....  whadaya think??
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: Jay_wolf on March 09, 2008, 05:39:07 PM

Pics?
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 09, 2008, 05:43:22 PM
He's supposed to be sending me some more, the ones I have won't upload to PB for some reason.  It's in pretty much great shape, track plastics all around Termi exhaust, brembo brakes.
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: ben2go on March 09, 2008, 06:21:50 PM
Did you get the gix sorted out?I lost track of your thread about it.Sounds like a good trade.In SC you only need head,tail,brake lights.If you have signals they have to work or you get pulled by the A (hole) teem.  :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: bucks1605 on March 09, 2008, 07:49:02 PM
Once I get some eye candy I'll be able to throw my opinion in, if it means anything...
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 09, 2008, 07:58:51 PM
Think this but charcoal gray with a stainless Termignoni exhaust and monoposto
(http://www.albatrosmt.narod.ru/temi/oboi/Ducati/Ducati-750SS-1999.jpg)
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: bucks1605 on March 09, 2008, 08:00:22 PM
Quote from: spcterry on March 09, 2008, 07:58:51 PM
Think this but charcoal gray with a stainless Termignoni exhaust and monoposto
(http://www.albatrosmt.narod.ru/temi/oboi/Ducati/Ducati-750SS-1999.jpg)


Oh, very nice! I like.  :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: makenzie71 on March 09, 2008, 08:00:39 PM
ditch the fairings...it's basically a badass monster...get a single headlight and go.
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 09, 2008, 08:03:22 PM
That was actually what I was thinking..... :laugh:  Figured I'd just find an SV headlight and slap it on there.  Not that bad-ass, aside from the whole Italian factor, it only pumps like 63hp stock so I'm probably not even looking at 70.  I'm willing to ditch 30hp to ride a Duc though :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: makenzie71 on March 09, 2008, 08:19:23 PM
Hey, it may be down (closer to) 45whp, 5ft/lbs, one gear, and one gallon but it weighs forty more pounds and has a bigger rear rotor.
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 09, 2008, 08:23:01 PM
ehhh, it's only 404 dry, that's about 20 more than the gix.  But it's a twin and sexy as all hell. :icon_twisted: plus the stock suspension is better :thumb:
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: ben2go on March 09, 2008, 09:21:49 PM
toss the suspension on a GS or simuliar twin.
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: Jay_wolf on March 09, 2008, 10:06:08 PM
One of the first things i was gonna say , was wack a Sv headlight on it , that looks like it was made to be naked ...
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on March 09, 2008, 10:09:46 PM
Quote from: spcterry on March 09, 2008, 08:23:01 PM
ehhh, it's only 404 dry, that's about 20 more than the gix.  But it's a twin and sexy as all hell. :icon_twisted: plus the stock suspension is better :thumb:
is it a desmodromic valvetrain? , hehe those things are fun to work on. anyhoo could always put an sv upper fairing on the bike and call it a Duzuki or a sucati :dunno_white: 8) , heh after all i did have a yamahonkawazuki ( my 97 500e)

was going to be a yamahonkawazukiharleyson but i ran out of money to finish that part :oops:
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 09, 2008, 10:14:46 PM
Yeah, it's a desmo valve train, 749cc air cooled, fuel injected.

The guy actually has the stock headlights, just not the stock upper :icon_confused:
He also has a carbon exhaust and the stock exhaust system, rear wheel stand and a new timing belt that are included.

I was figuring I could throw an SV light and some of those universal LED strip tail lights on it and call it good.  If I was going to spend the time to re-fair it in street threads I would probably try to put 748 plastics on it.
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: bombadillo on March 09, 2008, 10:38:32 PM
Don't just get an sv light or you'll be like every other monster on the road.  Throw on a little projector hid or something thats different from the normal duc crowd.  There are so many options for lighting it'll make your head spin.  Just make it original.
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on March 10, 2008, 01:02:30 AM
Quote from: spcterry on March 09, 2008, 10:14:46 PM
Yeah, it's a desmo valve train, 749cc air cooled, fuel injected.

The guy actually has the stock headlights, just not the stock upper :icon_confused:
He also has a carbon exhaust and the stock exhaust system, rear wheel stand and a new timing belt that are included.

I was figuring I could throw an SV light and some of those universal LED strip tail lights on it and call it good.  If I was going to spend the time to re-fair it in street threads I would probably try to put 748 plastics on it.
teh desmo has no redline so to speak  :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 10, 2008, 06:16:53 AM
While knowing that I won't be able to kill it by redlining it is nice, there is really no need as power pretty much sucks past about 9-9.5k on most of the lower end Desmo twins.
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 10, 2008, 03:49:21 PM
ok, looks like the trade is on!!!! Dude, Im gettin a Duc!!!!
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: scottpA_GS on March 10, 2008, 05:31:19 PM
Quote from: spcterry on March 10, 2008, 03:49:21 PM
ok, looks like the trade is on!!!! Dude, Im gettin a Duc!!!!

I feel bad for you.

Good luck getting parts  :thumb:
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: GeeP on March 10, 2008, 08:19:13 PM
Are you going to get a little trailer for your toolbox so you have *some* of the tools required to do a valve adjustment?   :laugh:

I'll buck the trend and say it's fugly, but it'll probably get you laid at least twice a week.   :icon_razz:
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 10, 2008, 08:45:59 PM
I'm not a huge fan of the stock fairings on it.  This one is charcoal grey though so there's no color issue, and the tail is a solo race tail.
Valve adjustment, yeah not looking forward to it but at least there's only 4 of em.  Parts don't seem to be a big issue and the reviews of the bike say it is one of the more reliable Duc's of the era.  As far as the getting laid twice a week, I won't complain..........but pretty much any authentic Italian machine can produce those results.
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: asobi on March 10, 2008, 08:53:28 PM
Quote from: scottpA_GS on March 10, 2008, 05:31:19 PM
Quote from: spcterry on March 10, 2008, 03:49:21 PM
ok, looks like the trade is on!!!! Dude, Im gettin a Duc!!!!

I feel bad for you.

Good luck getting parts  :thumb:
This is actually what I was wondering about myself - how much more difficult are repairs or finding parts for a Ducati vs. a GS 500?  I really like how durable and common the GS is, parts-wise.
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 10, 2008, 11:24:16 PM
I'll put it simply, the valve train is designed in a way most mechanics will refuse to touch it and the nearest dealership is 100 miles away.
On the other hand, this thing is sexy as all hell

(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w317/spcterry/Picture1-2.png)
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 10, 2008, 11:33:22 PM
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w317/spcterry/Picture2.png)

haha f%$k you craigslist for not letting my save your images!!!
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on March 11, 2008, 01:09:51 AM
all ive got to do is right click and save, ive never had ot do anythign else ( even on CL)
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 11, 2008, 11:22:55 AM
Yeah, I forgot I had my computer set up to save images to file I accidentally deleted :icon_rolleyes:

Now, back to the bike.  The damn thing is like pure sex on wheels, I can't wait to ride it :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: werase643 on March 11, 2008, 06:02:57 PM
how is that better than a 97-2000 GSXR600
ya start off loosing 30-40 HP and how is the suspension better?
what does the front have preload and compression....no rebound?

when were the timing belts last changed?

and like a GS it's a 15 yo design.

looks purdy though
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: Jughead on March 11, 2008, 06:20:04 PM
Quote from: werase643 on March 11, 2008, 06:02:57 PM
how is that better than a 97-2000 GSXR600
ya start off loosing 30-40 HP and how is the suspension better?
what does the front have preload and compression....no rebound?

when were the timing belts last changed?

and like a GS it's a 15 yo design.

looks purdy though

Screw the Less HP you'll get more Ass!  :thumb: :thumb:
Sweet Bike. :thumb:
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 11, 2008, 06:40:45 PM
How is the suspension better??  Aside from it's been completely re-worked??  Bike doesn't even have 5k miles on it so no timing belt change yet.  It comes with a new one though.  It's damn purdy, and I was kinda missing having a twin.
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 11, 2008, 08:25:15 PM
I should elaborate a little.  The guy has a stack of receipts from when the bike was originally purchased for work done to track prep the bike.  He hasn't sorted through them and really hasn't ridden it so he has no idea of what is done power wise aside from the obvious Termi exhaust and a PCIII.
You should know as well as I that a bike is all about what makes you happy.  I am more than willing to lose the horsepower and top end for a Duc.  On the other hand, it should accelerate pretty similarly as the torque numbers aren't that far off.  I'm sure you also know as well as I that this engine has a good deal of potential.  I've seen dyno's of it running almost 80hp with just a good map and porting the heads
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: werase643 on March 12, 2008, 09:30:45 PM
a friggin Duck is about the only bike i didn't make $ on       or at least get my $ back on

i had a early 90's 900 CR 

it is all about what you like...but you also said you wanted a 750 engine in the 600 for more power.....so i thought i'd give you a reality check that the duck is not more power
no matter how many cubic $ you throw at it
the torque is impressive though

Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: makenzie71 on March 12, 2008, 09:39:38 PM
the gix and the duc are in completely different leagues...you don't buy them to do the same thing.  In my ideal garage I'd have one of each.  If I could only have one?  Duc, hands down.  There are better investment bikes out there but hell if I was looking for investment bikes I'd be looking for old KZ's rotting in people's fields...not an ex track bike.
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 12, 2008, 09:49:07 PM
Power, yeah, I've kinda laid off the idea.  I don't really need it.  The Duc will still do 130 and that's more than enough to get me in trouble.  I spoke to the guy tonight trying to figure out the exact place we're going to trade off.  He said the few times he'd ridden it the wheel was begging to come up off the ground :icon_rolleyes:

The fucker actually said he didn't like how it sounded :o :dunno_white:  Who the f%$k doesn't like the sound of Duc??  Said he prefers the whine of an inline 4. :icon_confused:
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 13, 2008, 07:22:28 AM
Hell they aren't bad investement bikes, KBB on the damn thing is over 5k............for a 7 year old bike.

I'm going insane waiting for saturday, I just may ride it back despite not having lights :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: bettingpython on March 13, 2008, 08:44:24 AM
Some people don't like the sound of twins :icon_rolleyes: I am one of those :o

Of course even the harley guys wince just a little when I slam up against the blow up box.

My bike's kinda scary sounding when it get's up over 8k, basically where I keep it most of the time. :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 13, 2008, 08:49:27 AM
I've heard a few 954 and they sound mean as hell, not like a 600 whining. 
I love the sound of a sport twin, don't particularly care for the cruiser twins.  I pee a little everytime I see an RC51 or TLR or Duc :laugh:  shaZam!, I might need to invest in diapers or something :laugh: :laugh: :o
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 13, 2008, 09:11:51 AM
OK, WTF is the fuss about??  I've now read several write ups on the Duc board for both adjusting desmo valves and checking belt tension.  Neither appear all that difficult, just ......... different.  The preferred method of checking belt tension over there appears to be downloading a tuning program and basing tension of the frequency given from a pluck. :cookoo:
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: ben2go on March 13, 2008, 10:56:21 AM
Yep,that's eyetalian engine eering at it's best.
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 13, 2008, 11:33:52 AM
awww hell the valves don't look bad at all ;)  Just a quick feeler in the opener, closer and shim check.
They've linked me to a ton of how-to videos on the subject :thumb: 
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: makenzie71 on March 13, 2008, 03:49:41 PM
desmo checks take like a couple hours and a little before hand research.  Think of it like balancing carburetors for the first time.
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 13, 2008, 04:20:29 PM
Looks like a little patience and some good research, including the videos drom ducatitech.com, and I'll be good to go.
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: makenzie71 on March 13, 2008, 05:26:24 PM
also hit up ducati.ms...they're a bit busy but there's a lot of hardcore desmo and mv gurus there.
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 13, 2008, 05:30:36 PM
That's where I've been digging around :thumb:
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 13, 2008, 08:58:02 PM
Going apeshit waiting.....................
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: ben2go on March 13, 2008, 09:03:14 PM
I was about to ask if you heard anything or had picked it up.
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 13, 2008, 09:05:02 PM
Supposed to pick it up Saturday.............I've already got a shop that's gonna cut the fairing for the headlight and I have some ideas for the tail light.
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: ben2go on March 14, 2008, 12:47:38 PM
Cool.What size and set up are you going with on the head light(s)?Any ideas on signals?
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 14, 2008, 01:12:08 PM
I'm gonna have a local custom shop cut the fairing to put the stock light in. Integrated rear signals none in front.   I'm probably going to ride it home with someone staying close by, can't find a truck
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 16, 2008, 06:55:45 PM
Ughhh, patiently waiting on the title to come in sucks.  Hoping it comes in on monday so I can pick up the bike wednesday.  I haven't been getting much riding in on the Gix anyway between playing with the new brakes to get em right and being sick.
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: makenzie71 on March 16, 2008, 07:53:21 PM
I thought you were picking the bike up yesterday...
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 16, 2008, 07:57:45 PM
Nope, he thought the title had come in, didn't check.  It was for another vehicle he bought.  He called the DOR and they said it had been mailed so hopefully he gets it monday or tuesday.
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 18, 2008, 04:31:14 PM
WOOHOO!!!!!  Title came in today so I'm going to pick it up tomorrow!!!!!  From what I've researched, I should have this thing back to street legal in no time.  The nose fairing appears stock with an insert over the light cutout so I should be able to pop it out and bolt in the light, just leaves a taillight to figure out :thumb:
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: bucks1605 on March 18, 2008, 05:48:09 PM
Get some more pics up once you get it all figured out. I'd like to see how it turns out. Congrats on the new bike!  :cheers:
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 19, 2008, 01:16:51 PM
this thing is ridiculously loud!!!!!  Pics tonight when I get home.
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: bettingpython on March 19, 2008, 08:28:00 PM
Quote from: spcterry on March 19, 2008, 01:16:51 PM
this thing is ridiculously loud!!!!!  Pics tonight when I get home.

It's night. Pictures :dunno_white:
Title: Re: OK kids.........I'm in a bind
Post by: spc on March 19, 2008, 10:01:55 PM
light in the garage burnt out and it's been pouring all day.  Will get pics tomorrow morning and should be posting em during work hours.   
Hey who knew that running a Duc with Termi's in an enclosed trailer could temporarily damage your hearing?????  I know that now. :oops:  Ridiculously loud.
Title: Re: OK, no bind anymore.............I GOTTA DUC!!!!
Post by: spc on March 19, 2008, 10:42:00 PM
First impression from the  very few miles I got in before loading it up to carry back to SC:

Smooth, very freaking smooth.  It practically begs for obscene lean angles and the power delivery is very even up to a little shy of 8k where it dwindles.  The Brembo's all around live up to their name and stop very confidently while the Showa suspension while not the best ever feels a little more solid than the Gixxer.

She's in my garage screaming to be ridden right now, looks like getting her lit up should be moderately easy.  The 'track' fairing is just the stock with a piece of plastic filling in the headlight hole, all fairing stays are present and I have the headlight and I believe wiring too.  The Tail light may be fun as I just have the solo tail which does not accomodate the stock fixture.

I still have ringing in my ears :oops: I should have thought that through a little more :oops:
Title: Re: OK, no bind anymore.............I GOTTA DUC!!!!
Post by: bettingpython on March 20, 2008, 05:02:36 AM
Dumbass way to go injure your hearing :laugh:

I am no longer allowed to fire my bike in the garage... :dunno_white:

I have had to stop several times to take my helmet off and stick my earplugs back in after a gas stop when I forget them. The first time I pull through 8K I'm all WTF that hurts.
Title: Re: OK, no bind anymore.............I GOTTA DUC!!!!
Post by: spc on March 20, 2008, 05:10:59 AM
I don't think I'm gonna be allowed to light this beast up in my neighborhood.  Earplugs could be a good idea, I'll have to keep those in mind :thumb:
Title: Re: OK, no bind anymore.............I GOTTA DUC!!!!
Post by: bettingpython on March 20, 2008, 07:57:46 AM
Hardware store I just buy the 50 or 80 pair bulk packaage of aosafety soft faom plugs. I keep snack sized ziplock baggie full of them under the tail cowel on the bike.

Ought see me get em out for others on a ride looks like someones making a dope deal :laugh:

we have two access points into my neighborhood the bacjyard backs up to a main city arterial street so lotsa traffic noise and bikes can be heard frequently.

coming in on that road the wife can hear my bike almost a mile before I reach the neighborhood turn in.
coming in on the main arterial cross road she can hear the bike about 3/4 of a mile away as I make my way through the neighborhood.

The garage door is always open when I pull into the drive and she says she's never mistaken another bike for the sound of mine :)
Title: Re: OK, no bind anymore.............I GOTTA DUC!!!!
Post by: spc on March 20, 2008, 09:13:18 AM
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w317/spcterry/photo-5.jpg)
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w317/spcterry/photo-4.jpg)
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w317/spcterry/photo-3.jpg)
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w317/spcterry/photo-2.jpg)
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w317/spcterry/photo-1-2.jpg)
I'll get some good pics up tonight
Title: Re: OK, no bind anymore.............I GOTTA DUC!!!!
Post by: simon79 on March 20, 2008, 09:28:12 AM
Congrats on your new ride! :thumb:
My workmate got a SS1000 last summer, full fairing.
Why don't ya go all the way and make it defaired? :)
It'd look sexy IMHO.
Title: Re: OK, no bind anymore.............I GOTTA DUC!!!!
Post by: spc on March 20, 2008, 09:45:40 AM
It's a shaZam! ton of work to hide all the wiring and move the components for a clean defaired look.  I've seen a few write ups on the Duc forum.

I gotta get her roadworthy (lights) so I can take her up to Charleston to learn how to do the valves, probably be next weekend.

Title: Re: OK, no bind anymore.............I GOTTA DUC!!!!
Post by: simon79 on March 20, 2008, 10:21:17 AM
^^^^^^^^^
Mmmm okay. :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: OK, no bind anymore.............I GOTTA DUC!!!!
Post by: spc on March 20, 2008, 03:48:52 PM
OKZZZZ anyone wanna guess how much packing there was in the exhaust????  come on someone????

Nada, none, nothing

:icon_rolleyes:
I'm having a blast doing all the little TLC bits on this bike, soon I'll be figuring out all the fun things like how to light it up.
Title: Re: OK, no bind anymore.............I GOTTA DUC!!!!
Post by: makenzie71 on March 20, 2008, 04:12:08 PM
I'd say f%$k the stock light and pick up a couple bosche projectors...actually I've used cheap-o eBay civic projector lights to light up a bike.  Just cut the housing apart, drill two holes in your fairing, mount the projectos behind on brackets.  You can even use a HID setup on one (some states require a high and a low beam).

Exhausts don't need packing.

How many times did he wreck it before selling it to you?  The ass looks tweaked.
Title: Re: OK, no bind anymore.............I GOTTA DUC!!!!
Post by: spc on March 20, 2008, 04:57:03 PM
The ass looks tweaked because that tail is not the solo tail for that bike.......think it's a 748 solo tail. It only meets up to bolt in in 2 places, I'm working out a bracket to get it smoothed out.

I'm thinking 2 small round lights on top of eachother true to Ducati tradition :dunno_white:

Exhaust may not need packing but it would be nice, the damn thing is louder than my neighbors '76 bored out vette with straight pipes.  A lot.
Title: Re: OK, no bind anymore.............I GOTTA DUC!!!!
Post by: GeeP on March 20, 2008, 07:21:55 PM
Damn...  No seat!  Must be like riding a buckboard.  lol!
Title: Re: OK, no bind anymore.............I GOTTA DUC!!!!
Post by: spc on March 20, 2008, 08:13:29 PM
Not to be an elitist duck, but if you're spending lots of time in the seat, you're not riding her right. :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: OK, no bind anymore.............I GOTTA DUC!!!!
Post by: Jay_wolf on March 20, 2008, 08:52:31 PM
Id *Monster* up that duc in a second, could u not hide all the wiring in a sv650 headlight or something , i did the frame , engine , exhausts and everthing , but the half faired look looks stupid in my eyes
Title: Re: OK, no bind anymore.............I GOTTA DUC!!!!
Post by: makenzie71 on March 20, 2008, 09:03:11 PM
I personally love the half-faired bit.
Title: Re: OK, no bind anymore.............I GOTTA DUC!!!!
Post by: bettingpython on March 20, 2008, 09:06:07 PM
 :icon_rolleyes: Oh never mind, just ride the damn thing already and quit talking about it.

Glad I took my wife with me to the honda dealer today......

The new 08 1000rr is in. It feels exactly like sitting on and tossing around a 600, that shaZam!'s just scary....told the wife do not let me go to Honda dealership without her.

They offered me 5k in trade for my bike and I would get a fairly good deal since I have bought 3 bikes in the past 1 1/2 years from them.

damn i just cant afford to shoulder another 5.5k in debt right now need to refi the house before rates go back up and our loan converts to an arm.
Title: Re: OK, no bind anymore.............I GOTTA DUC!!!!
Post by: spc on March 20, 2008, 09:17:34 PM
Jay:  It's not just wiring, there are control modules on both sides on the outside of the frame just out of sight behind the fairing.  It would take lengthening a couple of harness and re-organizing what's already under the tank to make it work.  I've actually grown kinda fond of the half faired look, it's unique and still has lines while allowing the engine to be seen.  Yeah, the fairings are staying.

BP:  All the guys on the Duck board that have 848's say that the thing is insane.  It outperforms all the 9XX's in all aspects supposedly.  I'm waiting to read a 1098r review from one of em.........
Title: Re: OK, no bind anymore.............I GOTTA DUC!!!!
Post by: spc on March 20, 2008, 09:30:36 PM
Yo Mak, you talkin about buying and ripping apart something like this for the lights???
Title: Re: OK, no bind anymore.............I GOTTA DUC!!!!
Post by: makenzie71 on March 20, 2008, 09:50:34 PM
since nothing showed up in your post....that I can see...

This is what I mean: clicky (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/96-97-98-Honda-Civic-projector-headlights-used_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33710QQihZ003QQitemZ130207254237QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW)

This is better: clicky (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1999-2000-Mercury-Cougar-L-H-Headlight-housing-W-LENS_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33710QQihZ022QQitemZ350036713367QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW)


99-00 Mercury cougar headlights are DOT approved, disassemble-able, and with one headlight you get a quality projector designed for high beam and a quality projector designed for low beam, and the low beam is very effective with a HID setup.

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Post by: spc on March 20, 2008, 09:56:38 PM
shaZam! I forgot to paste, rather essential part of 'cut and paste'.  Yeah, that's what I thought you were talking about.

So just rip the projectors out and mount them through circles cut in the fairing.....  I'm thinking 749 style.
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Post by: GeeP on March 21, 2008, 05:59:00 AM
Quote from: makenzie71 on March 20, 2008, 09:50:34 PM
This is better: clicky (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1999-2000-Mercury-Cougar-L-H-Headlight-housing-W-LENS_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33710QQihZ022QQitemZ350036713367QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW)


99-00 Mercury cougar headlights are DOT approved, disassemble-able, and with one headlight you get a quality projector designed for high beam and a quality projector designed for low beam, and the low beam is very effective with a HID setup.

Ok, on the headlights above...  Is the power supply integral to the headlight, or does that have to be scrounged separately?


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Post by: spc on March 21, 2008, 06:36:44 AM
*dumb idea*
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Post by: spc on March 21, 2008, 08:46:24 AM
OK, I think I'm gonna build off Mak's idea but get a set of Hella Optilux projectors instead.

'nother pic:
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w317/spcterry/photo-5-1.jpg)
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Post by: spc on March 21, 2008, 10:22:24 AM
Hmmmm, they're projectors............
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DIAMOND-BLUE-PROJECTOR-DRIVING-FOG-LIGHTS-BRAND-NEW-AH_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247QQcategoryZ33709QQihZ013QQitemZ230229981489QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V
thoughts????

Try to mount em like this
(http://www.fastbikebits.com/acatalog/ND002U.gif)
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Post by: scottpA_GS on March 21, 2008, 03:27:40 PM

I think Maks idea would look WAY better than some cheap a$$ driving lights  :thumb:
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Post by: spc on March 21, 2008, 03:47:24 PM
I'm watching that honda light.  It's only $15 so far but it's got a day and a half.  I've seen just the projector light portion from BMW's on Ebay too, I'm keeping an eye on those.
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Post by: spc on March 21, 2008, 04:17:53 PM
I did some more cleaning and thinking about what I want to do with lights, then I took her out for a spin around the plantation.  I love having a super-flickable bike again, she practically begged to attack every little curve as fast as possible.  I'm still in shock at how smooth power delivery is on this beast.  It's like nothing the Japs could even dream about.   Ohhh yeah, rev-limiter at 9k, found that out the fun way.
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Post by: makenzie71 on March 21, 2008, 06:29:54 PM
GeeP...if for runing a HID low beam with the cougar projector, a power supply will be provided with a HIT kit.  The Projector is designed for a typical 9006 Halogen bulb and could be run with just standard 12vdc from the wirnig harness.

Keep in mind that with most real DOT approved projectors you are looking at will be open housings and will need to have that fixed.  It's not difficult to do.  When I was running them on my TLS I built housings for the projectors I used two 4" PVC caps and fused them together over the projector casing.  I had holes cut in both sides of the caps, one so the lense was exposed and the other so that the bulb could be changed.  I then sealed the hell out of it with silicone.  If done right it's fairly neat and effective.  I used 4" U-bolts to hold the cases to a peice of stainless angle iron, that bolted the forward subframe.
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Post by: makenzie71 on March 21, 2008, 06:31:39 PM
as far as the driving l;ights...they are not DOT approved and thus you can get into shaZam! at expection time, and they will not offer you a safe field of vision.
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Post by: spc on March 21, 2008, 07:13:25 PM
Inspection I'm not worried about, it doesn't exist here.  a Good view would be nice.  So, the projector set-ups ripped out of Audi and Bimmer headlights should do the trick fine right??
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Post by: spc on March 21, 2008, 07:56:23 PM
Ummm sumpin like this should do the trick quite nicely eh???
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-HALOGEN-HEADLIGHT-PROJECTORS-WITH-BULBS-OEM_W0QQitemZ250225996857QQihZ015QQcategoryZ36476QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Post by: jserio on March 21, 2008, 07:59:37 PM
might i ask why not just re-install the stock light assembly?  :dunno_white:
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Post by: makenzie71 on March 21, 2008, 08:04:44 PM
Terry, If I were you, I'd buy those lights before someone else does (like me).  The seller isn't sure of what he's selling.  Those will be either HELLA, Valeo, or Bosch projectors and all are superb quality setups.  They will, however, be focused entirely as a low beam, but you can run a standard HID setup with both and have so much light at your fingertips that a high beam would be nothing but an extra bell and whistle.

jserio, I could answer your question, but the fact that you've asked means you simply wouldn't understand. :)
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Post by: spc on March 21, 2008, 08:39:57 PM
Those bad boys are mine!!!!!!
Just paid.  I can't wait for em to get here so I can get to work.  I guess I could spend some time wiring up the tail light seeing as I have the one I'm gonna use :icon_rolleyes:


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Post by: jserio on March 21, 2008, 08:45:33 PM
ah, mak don't assume i won't understand your answer just because i've asked the question. i wouldn't have asked if i didn't really want an answer. besides, the answer may actually be a simple one, something i'm just not seeing at the moment.  :thumb:
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Post by: makenzie71 on March 21, 2008, 10:01:23 PM
The biggest reason to use a custom light as opposed to a stocker is cool factor.  There's a lot of cool factor in it.
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Post by: jserio on March 21, 2008, 10:12:04 PM
ah, yes. the cool factor. something unique.  :thumb:
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Post by: spc on March 21, 2008, 11:50:24 PM
Yes, the cool factor.  Isn't that a lot of what having a Duc is about?
Also, replacing the stock headlight would require fabrication as the First owner had the fairing stay trimmed down.  As long as I'm going to have to fabricate things I might as well go for something unique and more efficient than the OEM.
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Post by: jserio on March 21, 2008, 11:53:29 PM
that makes sense. hope it turns out nicely.  :thumb:
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Post by: yamahonkawazuki on March 22, 2008, 12:01:03 AM
post pics when done man  :thumb:
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Post by: spc on March 22, 2008, 12:04:44 AM
You know it!!!

I'm aiming for getting it done next weekend. I'm trying to only do things when I have plenty of time, I don't want to rush things as I want them to be done in an aesthetically pleasing manner and correctly.

The weather is here, it's time to get this little beast on the road.
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Post by: yamahonkawazuki on March 22, 2008, 03:21:47 AM
just remember to aim them properly. as to not blind oncoming drivers/riders :thumb:
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Post by: makenzie71 on March 22, 2008, 08:00:53 AM
Yeah I need to add that mine could not be aimed.  Some thought will have to be given that.
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Post by: spc on March 22, 2008, 09:16:48 AM
f%$k oncoming drivers........as long as they swerve right......... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :o
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Post by: spc on March 23, 2008, 06:04:35 PM
OK, I managed to get the tail light installed and functional, just waiting on the brake switch I ordered to get it all going.  Hopefully those projectors will get here early next week, I would love to have this thing on the road next weekend :icon_twisted:
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Post by: yamahonkawazuki on March 23, 2008, 06:30:57 PM
Quote from: spcterry on March 22, 2008, 09:16:48 AM
f%$k oncoming drivers........as long as they swerve right......... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :o
:icon_confused: ;)
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Post by: spc on March 24, 2008, 07:15:47 AM
Dude, this is what it's all about.  Everytime I go out in the garage I get this stupid ear to ear grin :icon_mrgreen:  I can't wait to get some good riding time in on it :thumb:
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Post by: yamahonkawazuki on March 25, 2008, 07:31:46 PM
indeed. its either mechanical sex, or a mechanical drug  :bowdown: :bowdown:
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Post by: spc on March 25, 2008, 10:22:09 PM
The projectors got here today, so I'm dropping her off at the custom shop tomorrow for him to do an install.  I stopped by yesterday and we talked about what I wanted for a while, it should look pretty slick :thumb: 
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Post by: ben2go on March 25, 2008, 10:59:53 PM
Post pics when it's done.
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Post by: yamahonkawazuki on March 26, 2008, 12:40:20 AM
teh sex


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=q21_fJqPCOA
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Post by: spc on March 26, 2008, 05:52:12 AM
My bike actually sounds pretty much exactly like the 900e, of course it's essentially the same engine just a different size.  A guy on the Duc board just put a 900e swingarm on a 750ss, that's giving me expensive ideas :icon_rolleyes:
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Post by: spc on March 26, 2008, 08:43:07 AM
She's at the shop now, I'm hoping to have her back before the weekend. Everyone nearby came out to see 'the sportbike that sounded better than a harley' it was funny.
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Post by: jserio on March 26, 2008, 09:49:18 PM
damn, yama, that was a sexy vid! terry, if your bike does sound like that, i really am jealous.  :mad: :laugh: congrats though on gettin it tweaked how ya want it.  maybe someday in the future i'll have the experience and the pocket book for a sexy bike like that.  :thumb:
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Post by: spc on March 26, 2008, 10:01:46 PM
One of these days I'll get a vid up, but yeah that's pretty much how it sounds.  I rode it in to the shop yesterday morning and really let it out on a short straight section of road, the thing is absolutely butter smooth, even acceleration and impeccable handling.   Man I hope he has it ready by the weekend, we talked over what I want done for a while today and he seems to think it's not that big of a deal.
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Post by: jserio on March 26, 2008, 10:13:24 PM
i've noticed as i've grown older that if you want something badly it seems to take forever to get here. but if you are avoiding something, damn it sure shows up fast!  :laugh: :laugh:
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Post by: yamahonkawazuki on March 27, 2008, 12:51:30 AM
indeed  :mad: :laugh:
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Post by: spc on March 27, 2008, 04:39:40 PM
She's home!!!!!
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w317/spcterry/photo-5-2.jpg)
I still have to wire it up, he just hooked the lights up to a battery he had laying around.

On my ride home I found out that if you slap the throttle just right at about 3800rpms she'll power on up.  Whodda thunk :laugh:
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Post by: spc on March 27, 2008, 04:54:39 PM
That reminds me, the braking is incredible.  I locked up the ass end accidentally :oops:
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Post by: makenzie71 on March 27, 2008, 05:22:49 PM
I'd really like to see more detailed pics of the lights.
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Post by: spc on March 27, 2008, 05:31:28 PM
I'll try to get some up tomorrow.  I'm headed out to test the output and find my way to the bar.  They are quite bright in my opinion, but I guess they should be.
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Post by: spc on March 27, 2008, 08:06:01 PM
Damn!!!  These things are brighter than probably 80% of the cars out there :thumb:
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Post by: jserio on March 27, 2008, 09:31:35 PM
congrats :thumb:
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Post by: ben2go on March 28, 2008, 10:44:59 AM
I think I got confused along the way.I thought you were going with the over and under light set up.It's cool either way.
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Post by: spc on March 28, 2008, 10:48:56 AM
Didn't really work over under,  the available space on the fairing just isn't there.
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Post by: ben2go on March 28, 2008, 10:53:03 AM
Quote from: spcterry on March 28, 2008, 10:48:56 AM
Didn't really work over under,  the available space on the fairing just isn't there.


Yea I see that.I didn't know how big the lights would be.A little larger than I was thinking.
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Post by: spc on March 28, 2008, 10:54:24 AM
Yeah, they are larger than I envisioned, but I'm pretty pleased with the results and worst case the holes are inside of the standard headlight area so I always have the option of going that way.  Like I said, I like the look and they're bright as all hell.
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Post by: ben2go on March 28, 2008, 11:00:00 AM
I recently saw a dual sport that had side by side head lights and one was bigger than the other.I thought about getting some projectors and doing the same thing on my project bike.
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Post by: spc on March 29, 2008, 08:37:40 AM
One of the Bimmer bikes uses a similar headlight set up though it's all enclosed in one casing, just one large and then I believe a projector to the side for the high beam.
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Post by: makenzie71 on March 29, 2008, 09:43:23 AM
yeah the new 1200R's are like that.

I still want to see the enclosures made.  Most projectors aren't solitary enclosed pieces...they have to have a housing built around the assembly.  I'd like to see how that was done and if anything was done to make them adjustable.
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Post by: spc on March 29, 2008, 10:19:30 AM
There is no casing yet, so she's absolutely not going out in the rain.  He had a few ideas and ordered some hightemp rubber sheeting that he's going to use to enclose it.  I just couldn't wait so I went ahead and picked it up.  As far as adjustability, it's rather good, he just cut some brackets to fit onto the stock fairing stay and I'm just shimming it up and down as I please with washers.  I've got it aimed pretty well right now.
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Post by: spc on March 29, 2008, 07:12:03 PM
OK, got a wild hair up my ass and decided to do a valve clearance check.  Thanks to the guys at cacycleworks and their awesome instructional videos it didn't really take that long.  The only real pain in the ass parts were taking the tank off/ pushing the electricals forward and unbolting the rear shock.  The lead cylinder exhaust valve was a pain just because of placement.  Everything was pretty good, the vertical cylinders exhaust valve is at the extreme of acceptable but it was all spot on aside from that.

The noise of this thing is still weird.  I decided to do a check just to put my mind at ease, I've been kinda nutty about it because if any other bike had sounds like that coming from the head I would expect it to die pretty soon.

As far as the bike overall,  I LOVE THIS THING!!!  It just feels so at home leaned way the hell over at obscene speeds.
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Post by: makenzie71 on March 29, 2008, 07:19:14 PM
You have to keep in mind that this bike has a dry clutch, and it's all together a different sort of engine than the GS and the GSXR.
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Post by: spc on March 29, 2008, 07:24:19 PM
750ss is a wet clutch, though there is a conversion kit out there.  That's pretty far down on my list of mods, but it would be nice at some point.  Aside from the fact that they both have two wheels and an engine pretty much everything is different from the Gix.  Clutch responds differently, suspension responds differently, throttle sure as hell responds differently.  The Duc doesn't really bog down like the Gix would if I was cruising at low RPM's.  The damn valves are just noisy as all hell, it's kinda funny, if someone who doesn't really know much about bikes hears it they ask what's wrong :laugh:  Of course all the Harley guys just wanna know how the hell a crotch rocket can sound like that. :icon_mrgreen:
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Post by: spc on May 26, 2008, 09:31:22 AM
I still absolutely love this bike.  The sound, the torque, the attention it draws: It is distinctly Italian.  Why do I have the urge to go get a pizza and some grappa?

I'm dreading the day, but soon the traffic here will be a bit to much for riding and I'll be starting a complete rebuild of the bike.  PC the frame, re-paint, a little fine tuning in other areas.   

On a really cool note:  A guy in an F430 Scuderia waved at me the other day.  That shaZam! took me by surprise.
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Post by: yamahonkawazuki on May 28, 2008, 07:48:05 PM
isnt your duc a desmo?, if so they are noisy in the valve train. im looking at a paso, which had it been from a suz. id be looking at a top end rebuild :laugh:
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Post by: spc on May 28, 2008, 07:55:41 PM
Every Duc for the last, what, 50 years has been a desmodromic valve train.  A guy on a chopper commented today that I might want to check out my valves cause they sounded a little off, I just laughed.
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Post by: yamahonkawazuki on May 28, 2008, 07:57:07 PM
i thought so, but LOL some duc owners dont know about desmo. im sure you did, but i still ask out of habit. but yeah desmo valvetrains are and always will be noisy. but cool thing is there is essentially no redline :icon_twisted: