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Title: Carb Balancing Revisited-In light of all the recent carb questions.
Post by: ben2go on March 22, 2008, 10:39:06 PM
As of late,a lot of people have been having carb issues.Some are related to carb balancing.The screw for adjusting the balance is located between the carbs and has a spring under it.If you remove the seat and gas tank,look down between the carbs and you will see it.This link( http://www.powerchutes.com/manometer.asp ) has a description of a manometer(AKA carb balancer).They refer to 2 stroke Rotax engines,this is not important.Carbs are carbs,they all balance in similar way.This is one of many ways to make a balancer on the cheap.Good luck with solving your carb problems.
Title: Re: Carb Balancing Revisited-In light of all the recent carb questions.
Post by: galahs on March 23, 2008, 04:16:21 AM
For on-going reference...

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The $1.55 Carb Syncronizer by Marty Ignazito

The objective of the vacuum measuring carb synchronizer is to see that the vacuum signals from both carbs are the same. It is the difference between the signals and not the actual signals we are interested in however. The Rotax two stroke engine shows a signal of about 6" of mercury at idle measured against the atmosphere at its test signal port and a difference of about 1/16th to 1/20th of an inch of mercury can be read easily by eye. If lighter liquids are used like oil this signal would read as about 97 inches of oil requiring a very tall manometer gauge. With a senstivity of some 16 times greater than a mercury manometer, an oil manometer only needs to look at the difference. By hooking each side of the manometer to each of the carbs we have a very sensitive tool for synchronization. A 1/20th of an inch of mercury difference would show up as about 13/16ths of an inch of oil on the oil manometer allowing for even finer adjustment than possible with mercury.

Attached is a photo of an oil manometer I made up with some cheap materials from the local Ace hardware store. I filled mine with air compressor oil since I did not have any two stroke oil around, but two stroke oil would be a better safety measure in the event of oil getting into a carb.

Here is the bill of materials:

12 ft of 1/8" ID clear PVC tubing $0.84

1 wooden yardstick $0.59

2 wire ties $0.12

For a total cost of $1.55 plus tax.

The tubing was taped to the yardstick with transparent packing tape. The wire ties were put thru the hole in the yardstick to secure the tubing on each side at the top. If desired a machinists or carpenters square and a pencil can be used to extend the 1/8" markings to both sides of the stick or the level of the oil on one side can simply be noted before testing begins since it must return to this point to be in balance. Fill with oil to about the 26 or 27 inch mark (36 at the bottom). You may have to leave the unit sit for a day or so to get all the bubbles out. If you are careful not to introduce air when filling this is less of a problem.

When in use with the engine running both lines must be connected, one to each carb. The oil will be sucked up and out of the manometer if only a single carb is connected and the other end is left open to the atmosphere.

(http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9770/martycarbsyncuh4.jpg)

This device is so simple and cheap to make, I thought it best to just tell everyone how to do it rather than try to make and sell them. Bing's claim that their $34.95 mercury device is the most accurate carb balancer regardless of price seems to ring hollow doesn't it? I will try this unit as soon as I get a chance. If any of you beat me to it, let me know how it works for you.

Marty

Prairie Skyhook
Marty Ignazito
13961E Co. Rd. 620N
Charleston, Illinois
61920-7831
217-348-1525
fax 209-796-4433
e-mail: mdipe@mcleodusa.net
Website: http://www.powerchutes.com/prairieskyhook.htm
Title: Re: Carb Balancing Revisited-In light of all the recent carb questions.
Post by: GeeP on March 23, 2008, 07:36:12 AM
Yup!  It works very well.

A water manometer is 13.6 times more sensitive than a mercury manometer.  On oil manometer will be slightly more sensitive yet.  However, I prefer water as the working fluid.  Mainly because if you do manage to suck some into the carbs water evaporates, oil requires a carb teardown. 

A comparative manometer can also work on a four-cylinder bike.  The only difference is you set up a manifold instead of a U and tweak the other three carbs to the primary. 
Title: Re: Carb Balancing Revisited-In light of all the recent carb questions.
Post by: ben2go on March 23, 2008, 10:34:35 AM
Quote from: GeeP on March 23, 2008, 07:36:12 AM
Yup!  It works very well.

A water manometer is 13.6 times more sensitive than a mercury manometer.  On oil manometer will be slightly more sensitive yet.  However, I prefer water as the working fluid.  Mainly because if you do manage to suck some into the carbs water evaporates, oil requires a carb teardown. 

A comparative manometer can also work on a four-cylinder bike.  The only difference is you set up a manifold instead of a U and tweak the other three carbs to the primary. 


I found a website about balancing old hondas.Their technique was balance carbs 3&4,then 1&2,and end by balancing 1&2 to 3&4.The bike they were working on had seperate screw for each of the balancing.1 screw to balance 1&2 carbs,1 screw to balance 3&4,and another screw that had a bar running out to both pairs of carbs to balance 1&2 to 3&4.It's simple to do but confusing when read in type.