So this is my first experiance with an angry drivers, well he almost killed me... I was take an on ramp from a smaller highway onto a 5 lane highway. Anyway i was pretty far on the ramp and i came up on a dark green ford expedition. i backed off as soon as i safely could. Well when it opened up to the highway i went around the guy he was on his cell at the time. Well i was now in front of him and he was about 3 feet from my rear tire. I waved back to see if he could back off i was already doing over the speed limit and i didn't want to go any faster. He continued to follow that close and even got a little closer by that time i was angry and started to increase my speed and change lanes to get out of the way but another car had me blocked in the lane by then. I then gave him the finger and drove off rather quickly i slowed down so i could taker the next exit not thinking about the guy that was previously tailgating me. Before i get into the exit he come flying on the shoulder cuts in front of me and slams on his breaks. I have never used my breaks that hard before, i felt my back tire leave the ground and me coming withing 1 foot of the back of his truck. He takes off and does it again halfway down the exit by this time i was already scared shitless from before so i was a decent distance behind him. This time it wasn't as bad but close non the less. Angry, scared and full of adrenaline i just back off and follow him trying to get a pic of his liscense plate cause my memory sucks. He saw what i was doing i guess without any warning cut his truck right and slams his breaks one last time before turning off the road that last time i came within a few inches of hitting his bumper as i pass him. (this was a single lane road now with oncoming traffic). I then try to think quickly what to do, im all worked up so i cant think strait, i turn around and try to find the guy with no avail. I only remember the first part of the plate number and what kinda truck it was and what the guy looked like. Even if i had the full plate number i don't think the police could of done anything about it. I wish i had a camera on my bike =( Anyway i actually thought i was a goner yesterday i cannot believe people would do something like that knowing they could kill the person...
Glad you made it out alive!
When I read things like this I feel that if you were to shoot the guy, you would be shooting in self defense since he is assaulting you with a deadly weapon.
That is assault in my book. Partial plate still may be a good report since you know the make and model and color.
Also a good reminder, escalation by flipping someone off is never helpful. You never know how crazy someone might be. And there are crazy people driving around in big cars with guns who think just like Dahmer.
Be safe.
fuggin idiots.....dontcha just love 'em? Now, why were you following him so closely that you almost hit him when he hit his brakes? The finger just pissed him off even more and next time it may cause the end of your life if the idiot you flip off is crazy enough to run you over. You must remember that your bike will not hold up well in a crash with a car or truck. Glad you're alright, but in the future, keep your fingers to yourself. We don't wanna have another memorial on this website anytime soon! I know where you're coming from though. I can't stand stupid people. BUT......We have to be responsible and the better person in this type of situation though, because what may just be a slight swerve by the other driver "just to scare you" could mean that guardrail is going to make contact with your bike instead of just missing it. Get what I'm sayin?
the first time i wasnt following him closely he drove on the shoulder to cut infront of me and slammed the breaks. I know i shouldnt of flipped em off but i was extremely mad about the tail gating there is no reason for him to be doing it even. (stupid angry MD drivers!) After my first close call i ride so much more responsible it just bothers me alot, i try not to do even 5 over the speed limit and i always ride in the slow lane
That's a sad and scary story :o
I would definitely call the police with the information you've got.
What happens if you report this kinda stuff? Does it at least become a foot note for the driver even if he "gets away" with it? I would at least report it, Jlittle. Others might be having the same problem with him, and if he gets enough complaints then maybe it will add up?
Yea i think after i get off of work im going to stop by the police station and see what they can do.
Quote from: Jlittle on June 09, 2008, 10:41:11 AM
Yea i think after i get off of work im going to stop by the police station and see what they can do.
there you go man. good choice. don't sugar coat it though, admit the mistakes you made. honesty is the best policy.
i reported a driver that HIT ME on my bicycle over a year ago. i provided a partial tag number, 3 witnesses, the vehicle color, make/model. nothing happened. when i called about the case number, they said the vehicle was since destroyed. whatever. the driver was never charged.
if a cop doesn't see it happen, it didn't happen. we are only pee-ons, and not to be trusted or believed apparently :(
MY dad is a retired police officer for the county it happend in. Hes in a middle of a move though and i cant seem to get ahold of him.
Hum!.........dang :o
Find his house, ask him if he knows what the minimum sentence for Attempted Vehicular Murder is. Then put a bullet in his f%$king skull, we don't need him breathing our air.
Scary story.
Definitely file a police report. Depending on how your local enforcement agency works, they may be able to lay a few tickets on the guy. If they feel it bad enough, they may go after his criminally. Its possible neither of those will happen, but if you file a report and he does it again, it shows a history of that kind of behaviour. What people seem to forget is that driving is a privilege, not a right.
PS. Advice about keeping your fingers to yourself is worth noting. Most road rage incidents end up escalating due to the "bird"
Glad you made it!!!
Remember, on a bike you cannot play "flow of traffic" like the moron cage drivers.
I prefer to go faster than traffic for two reasons:
1) I can devote more attention forward, where it should be.
2) The traffic situation stays fluid, constantly opening up new escape routes.
Always stay mobile in traffic, for sight distance, for cager visibility, for angry driver avoidance.
Never piss off a cager unless you know you can outrun him. ;)
You passed the guy and sat 3 feet in front of him at highway speed. WTF is wrong with you? Try 100 feet next time and the world will be your oyster. If he is up your ass, outrun him. Passing people when you are unwiling to go 5mph+ over the limit is just weird.
this is what guns are for, and replacement barrels.
also, a good trick that i have used as well as other people is carrying a LARGE cannister of police grade mace, serious shaZam!, and you spray most of it into the front of the car tailgating you
it goes into the cabin if they have the ac on and they are f%&ked
eventually they have to pull over and you take their keys and leave with them
when @$$hole do this kinda shaZam! i just take their keys and throw them in a ditch someplace, problem solved, no violence, dude is TOTALLY f%&ked, police get to laugh at him.
Aside from the felony battery charge they can tag you with, that's a f%$king great idea.
Quote from: cd on June 09, 2008, 06:49:57 PM
also, a good trick that i have used as well as other people is carrying a LARGE cannister of police grade mace, serious shaZam!, and you spray most of it into the front of the car tailgating you
it goes into the cabin if they have the ac on and they are f%$ked
eventually they have to pull over and you take their keys and leave with them
when @$$hole do this kinda shaZam! i just take their keys and throw them in a ditch someplace, problem solved, no violence, dude is TOTALLY f%$ked, police get to laugh at him.
How many times have you done this?
Quote from: spcterry on June 09, 2008, 06:54:13 PM
Aside from the felony battery charge they can tag you with, that's a f%$king great idea.
and you know this how?
I picture the offending car, rolled over in a ditch. (Attempted manslaughter) "cd" steps off his GS, removes his license plate, kicks in the windshield (Breaking and Entering), ignores the Mace in the air (perhaps he is wearing a gas mask), pushes aside the screaming driver who is hopefully unarmed (Assault), grabs the keys (also covered with Mace) (Theft), shuts off the vehicle, winks at the other vehicles that are rubbernecking, mounts his trusty GS, and rides off the next exit into a safe house, knowing that the world is a better place.
I shall set my AC to Recirc before I head out in the am.
I think this was your fault but either way this is why I carry a few lug nuts in my pockets when I go out of town.
play grand tehft auto much lol
Quote from: erbilabuc on June 09, 2008, 08:51:26 PM
I think this was your fault but either way this is why I carry a few lug nuts in my pockets when I go out of town.
Eh? care to elaborate?, who knows, could have been.
I have only been driving for a little over a year now but it really pisses me off when a idiot passes me then slows down in front of me or passes me then takes the next exit with no one behind me I think it should be mandatory for everyone to take a defensive driving class every couple years. and you with your finger I think your finger is going to get you in a lot of trouble slow down and smell the flowers you are not fonzzi
Call the police, suck it up you are involved by you giving the finger makes you a participant in the road rage live and learn .
Quote from: anthonygs1000 on June 09, 2008, 09:09:57 PM
you with your finger I think your finger is going to get you in a lot of trouble slow down and smell the flowers you are not fonzzi
Call the police, suck it up you are involved by you giving the finger makes you a participant in the road rage live and learn .
this pretty much sums it up for me, I didn't say it was just you who was at fault but since there were two of you then you share the fault. I had an 18 wheeler do this to me on I-10 in San Bernandino. If something like this happens to me then I just either get the hell away or pull over (if I leave my lug nuts at home:) )
Could always make an anonymous tip implicating the offending driver in terrorist acts.
' I was at the gas stations filling up and this nut job was talking on the phone about being nervous because he'd never hauled that much explosive before. I high tailed it and he followed me and tried to hit me'
I am glad you are okay! I would have gone down the breakdown lane if I had to at a high speed to get like 20 cars between us, and then I would be watching my rearview mirror.
I've had a bunch of anencephalics do this to me, pretty much because they assumed I was in their way when I was just trying to get the ef OUT of their aggressive asss ways so they could get by. Once on the fwy when I was a kid driving my mini truck, some dumb guy slammed his brakes on like 4 times and he kept slowing down and swerving in front of me, I had come onto the fwy ahead of him and kept moving left and he was on my tail, and I was just trying to get away from him, so then I went right to give him the lane, and that wasn't good enough. That was the first time someone pulled that stunt with me. It scared me so bad I shook for a long time.
The next time I was a little older, and had some other moron do that to me on a city street, twice. At the next red light he stopped, I got out with the great big long steel bar that sat stock behind my seat in a brace- it was a tool to slide into the mechanism that lowered my rear tire from under the bed of the truck. I didn't get to even his rear bumper before he blew the light! It pissed me off as I really wanted a piece of his effing truck.
Too many other times I've had this type of crap done to me or seen people pull this BS stunt on other people, but once in Colorado I was harassed while driving a 24' class C RV on a city street, because I had CAli plates. That's it. I was there as an exhibitor in a sculpture show. Artists were bringing a ton of money into the town, plus it is a tourist town (Loveland, I hope the earth swallows it up in a fiery pit that leads straight to hell, I was constantly harassed when in my vehicle). So this kid and his buddy in a little tiny Honda Civic must have slammed his brakes on in front of me 3-4 times. The first time I had to hit the brakes so hard because it was so unexpected that my dog and other stuff in the cabin went sliding all over. I thought Frick! What an Ahole! And I backed way off so he could have plenty of room to be an idiot all by himself, since I'd been constantly harassed for four days by then. I went into the right lane to get another lane away. He swerved in front of me again and slowed me to a crawl, so I stopped, and he stopped. He made me sit there then took off laughing. I waited but it was traffic heavy so I had to get moving or get hit. I was going slow, I came up well under the speed limit still in the right lane and he swerved into my lane again and did it again. I pulled over to the side of the road and waited til he moved on again. Then I started out again. I was on my way out of town, I needed to be on that road. Well he waited around the corner and did it one more time, coming up to an intersection and slowed me again to a crawl. I was ready to push his ass into oncoming traffic at this point, but I didn't want to risk my radiator and my trans cooler, and I didn't want to be a Californian in jail in Colofuckingrathole. If I'd been in my lifted Bronco with the huge custom winch front bumper and huge wheels and tires, I would have just put it in four low and shoved him a couple hundred feet down the street or climbed over him like Bigfoot. He was lucky he was still alive and not under my front wheels from the first offense for stopping so fast at speed, what a complete moron to think a 6 ton rig could stop as fast as his little piece of crap, he came within a few feet of being buried in it! I had a 12,000 pound rig to his 2,000 lb sht-box. Finally he figured he had to turn right so he was satisfied. I had told my roomie to get my .38 plus p snub nose out, and we pulled up alongside him with the passenger window down and pointed the gun in his face, but kept it in the window frame so no one but the driver could see it. He couldn't turn right fast enough, tires squealing, and I didn't stop driving pretty fast on the fwy out of Colorado for like four hours until I was halfway through Wyoming!
So yeah, even nice people might have guns, be careful who you mess with. And yeah, tell the cops, maybe stake out that on ramp around the same time of day with a car and a buddy and wait to see if he gets on there again, and tail him. Then you can flatten all his tires, crack his mirrors and put superglue in all of his locks.
Just kidding about the mirrors. ;)
I had a nasty experience when some swine deliberately swerved out to block my overtaking, almost forcing me off the road. What can you do? Even a police report will have limited effect, given your lack of evidence.
Sadly, giving the finger isn't going to help. All you can do is curse under your helmet and know you're the better (wo)man.
Quote from: Teek on June 09, 2008, 11:17:08 PM
The next time I was a little older, and had some other moron do that to me on a city street, twice. At the next red light he stopped, I got out with the great big long steel bar that sat stock behind my seat in a brace- it was a tool to slide into the mechanism that lowered my rear tire from under the bed of the truck. I didn't get to even his rear bumper before he blew the light! It pissed me off as I really wanted a piece of his effing truck.
That's badass!!! O0 :bowdown:
Back to the original post. In car vs bike, you knows the odds are with the car. Even more so if it is a truck. You can accelerate to 100mph before most trucks even know what is going on. You probably (hopefully) can out turn any car/truck you are likely to meet. So why on earth would you ride next to the MFer on straight pavement, and make a target of yourself. Stupid when your vehicle weighs 1/10 of his. If you can ride, then ride away. If you can't ride, then give him the road.
Quote from: wreckhog on June 10, 2008, 08:35:09 AM
Back to the original post. In car vs bike, you knows the odds are with the car. Even more so if it is a truck. You can accelerate to 100mph before most trucks even know what is going on. You probably (hopefully) can out turn any car/truck you are likely to meet. So why on earth would you ride next to the MFer on straight pavement, and make a target of yourself. Stupid when your vehicle weighs 1/10 of his. If you can ride, then ride away. If you can't ride, then give him the road.
Exactly!
QuoteThat's badass!!!
I think Teek has anger management issues. :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_twisted:
In any case, I'd much rather explain to a cop while i was speeding/lane-splitting/"reckless driving" than have the cop explain to my mother why i am dead.
First sign of danger or anything i get as far away as possible. And if i can't out run them, i can out brake (yes it may have been a slip about my bikes health) them.
and i have noticed, from experience, that most pick up truck drivers seem to want to kill motorcyclists.
be safe everyone.
sounds like your naughty place is acting up
theres no reason to take shaZam! from retarded assholes
take their keys and leave. its the best solution, and they never expect it.
:cheers:
Quote from: cd on June 10, 2008, 12:18:57 PM
sounds like your naughty place is acting up
theres no reason to take shaZam! from retarded assholes
take their keys and leave. its the best solution, and they never expect it.
What are they doing while you are taking their car keys? What are you doing when they pull the xtra car key on their house keys (like I have so I don't get locked out of the car by my kid) and run you over as you are walking to your bike?
Most incidents i just nail it and leave them in the dust. If they are persistant then they are serious, in which case il just keep putting vehicles between us. First sign they pull a stunt like slamming the brakes on in front of me il remeber their plate and report to the police they are looking for this make/model with this reg and a missing wingmirror.
Quote from: Jlittle on June 09, 2008, 08:36:47 AMAnyway i actually thought i was a goner yesterday i cannot believe people would do something like that knowing they could kill the person...
It really is hard to believe that there are evil people like this in the world until they come after ya'. It sucks... :cry:
i have heard of guys keeping big ball bearings in their tank bag for guys like that. not that i would or anything. i had a guy do the same tio me the other day on a 5 lane bridge in some stiff side wind. i wished i had a tank bag for a minute.
:mad:
Quote from: cd on June 09, 2008, 06:47:58 PM
this is what guns are for, and replacement barrels.
Haha, +1
Whats bolts and nuts going to do? I carry the lead fish line weights now but they dont look like they will bounce if dropped..
The same exact thing happened to me *cough* I mean my friend so he changed lanes really fast and slowed down for the Dodge to pass and commenced a tail. The driver of the Dodge started swerving and breaking and eventually pulled off the side of the road and my friend followed him, got off the bike, and charged the cab. The driver (typical tapout t-shirt wearing poser) and his two friends got out. But before the driver was able to get into fighting stance my friend beat him to the ground with his polycarbonate knuckles -- as well as one of their friends who tried loading a gun.. The third vanilla ice wannabe backed off and submitted and my friend left with their wallets, keys, and a new .45
The only thing I want to know is why the f%$k the gun wasn't already loaded. An unloaded gun is as much use as a f%$king paper weight.
I have 2 residences. One where it is impossible to get a pistol carry permit. I can get a target permit which requires me to transport the pistol unloaded. The other residence in the same state makes pistol carry permits extremely easy to get and allows me to carry in over 20 other states. Guess which permit I have. Stealing a gun is a felony I believe.
Quote from: spcterry on June 12, 2008, 09:37:10 AM
The only thing I want to know is why the f%$k the gun wasn't already loaded. An unloaded gun is as much use as a f%$king paper weight.
IDK, I wasnt the dumbass trying to bluff with a pistol .. as for it being useless, have you ever been konked on the head with ANY weapon? It sucks..regardless of it being loaded or not
But I think we are getting off track here, lets not hijack this thread -- Point is Jlittle is unharmed, and road rage is intolerable when I'm on only two friggin wheels...
Which brings the question: Whats a good way to get rid of tailgaters? especially when your ALREADY going OVER the speed limit. -->> What I have done is try a highspeed wobble (not so much that I lose control, but enough to look like it) and the car backed off 100ft -- but 20 minutes later she was on my ass again and it didnt work a second time
I always just try to get over as soon as possible and slow down so much that they have no choice but to go around me.
terry kills me...i would not want to get on his wrong side :laugh: as for your situation this is where riding skill such as lane splitting would have been handy. road rage is scary and car vs bike the bike will always loose. this reminds me of an incident about 5 years ago on my tlr1000. a guy pulled out of a gas station right in front of me at a light which was red. i had to brake hard and got a bit of a wobble on. i rolled up beside this guy and asked him what he thought he was doing..he was pissy and told me i had plenty of time to stop. this told me he say me and was no mistake. so i punched his door with my kevlar gloves...wow i was surprised at the damage it caused. when the light turned green he decided to chase me. so i took off...then i waited for him...then i took off again. then i went into a large parking lot and he followed. by this time i was having fun. he was chasing me around parked cars and i sped up to the point where i was behind him. too frigin funny. then i just took off. i don't think he will be f%$king with guys on bikes again :)
Quote from: frankieG on June 12, 2008, 05:35:48 PM
terry kills me...i would not want to get on his wrong side :laugh: as for your situation this is where riding skill such as lane splitting would have been handy. road rage is scary and car vs bike the bike will always loose.
Even if it were illegal, I'd lane split to get away from a raging cager....Why stay and put oneself in danger. But then...I hate cagers at the moment. ;)
make that one hate you somewhat after you rape their pocketbook/wallet, heh lol, how ya been doin :kiss3: :cheers:
i've hear stories around my city that some motorcycle gangs in downtown charleston, SC carry ball bearings or buck shots or lug nuts w/e it may be.
and when a car comes really close to them they chuck it at the drivers window and speed off....
and in downtown charleston its usually a 2 lane road 1 commin in and one comming out.
i think about doing somethin like this sometimes but i don't want to be classified as another delinquent in this town of mine.
but option to avoid road ragers are lay off or speed off to where he can't follow you.
i can't say do'nt throw the bird cuz i do it all the time when ppl serve into my lane with out looking.
but try to ride safe man. :thumb:
I get idiots like this every day riding around London, i started off being over defensive and fighting back if someone took the piss but some of the areas i ride through i could see myself getting shot sooner or later so now if i can't blast past them and away i'll hang right back and let them piss someone else off instead, it's when you catch up to them stuck in traffic somewhere you can get your own back if need be, a swift downward swipe of the fist onto the top of the wingmirror will normally take it straight off although others have preferred to take the jousting technique with leg sticking out forward and booting it off!
Also heard of people carrying a kids plastic water pistol and filling it with brake fluid, a few squirts along the paintwork wont be noticed by the driver for a while, there's also the diamond dust glued to the knuckle protectors of gloves, a good drag along the paintwork or windows will leave something for the driver to remember you by.....
Key removal can only be possible with certain cars, if you have to lean right in to get them you risk being either dragged into the car by the driver or worse still, they could take off up the road with you hanging on for dear life! Wouldn't advise that one. :s
I think the best by far though is when someone performs a dangerous move on you and either has an accident themselves for concentrating on you more than the road ahead or they get caught bang to rights by the police, i've had both happen to me and i gotta say they actually left me feeling more justified than the revenge attack. :)
Quote from: Unknown on June 12, 2008, 08:56:02 AM
Quote from: cd on June 09, 2008, 06:47:58 PM
this is what guns are for, and replacement barrels.
But before the driver was able to get into fighting stance my friend beat him to the ground with his polycarbonate knuckles -- as well as one of their friends who tried loading a gun.. The third vanilla ice wannabe backed off and submitted and my friend left with their wallets, keys, and a new .45
And *I* have anger management issues????
Actually yes, I did, now I am older and understand what "Discretion is the better part of valor" means!
Get their plate # if possible, maybe you can find out where they live and leave a nice note on the windshield that you and your gangsta buds will be waiting for him next time he comes home (of course you never actually DO anything!, the perp just thinks Oh Sheet!) or report them to the cops (who are pretty much mostly bullies and assholes) but I'd suggest don't EVER try to"finish" any altercation with a car, these days you can end up run over or shot or both. At the first sign of trouble just find a safer spot to be, cars are dangerous enough with SANE people behind the wheel, and even nice guys can turn into Mr. Hydes when they get in a car. I'd rather run on my bike or just back off, and if they slow down to eff with me, go around traffic and then take off, traffic permitting, or take a ramp and get back on to put traffic between us. I do that in a car too! It's just not worth it. If I had got that dumbarse's truck in my youth, and he'd got my plates, I could have been arrested for assault. Same with a weapon, that's brandishing at the least. That doesn't look good on a background check when you're trying to get a job. ;)
Quote from: Teek on June 13, 2008, 10:46:28 AM
Quote from: Unknown on June 12, 2008, 08:56:02 AM
Quote from: cd on June 09, 2008, 06:47:58 PM
this is what guns are for, and replacement barrels.
But before the driver was able to get into fighting stance my friend beat him to the ground with his polycarbonate knuckles -- as well as one of their friends who tried loading a gun.. The third vanilla ice wannabe backed off and submitted and my friend left with their wallets, keys, and a new .45
And *I* have anger management issues????
Actually yes, I did, now I am older and understand what "Discretion is the better part of valor" means!
Get their plate # if possible, maybe you can find out where they live and leave a nice note on the windshield that you and your gangsta buds will be waiting for him next time he comes home (of course you never actually DO anything!, the perp just thinks Oh Sheet!) or report them to the cops (who are pretty much mostly bullies and assholes) but I'd suggest don't EVER try to"finish" any altercation with a car, these days you can end up run over or shot or both. At the first sign of trouble just find a safer spot to be, cars are dangerous enough with SANE people behind the wheel, and even nice guys can turn into Mr. Hydes when they get in a car. I'd rather run on my bike or just back off, and if they slow down to eff with me, go around traffic and then take off, traffic permitting, or take a ramp and get back on to put traffic between us. I do that in a car too! It's just not worth it. If I had got that dumbarse's truck in my youth, and he'd got my plates, I could have been arrested for assault. Same with a weapon, that's brandishing at the least. That doesn't look good on a background check when you're trying to get a job. ;)
Well like someone said before, if a cop didnt see it -- it didnt happen...therefore it would be my word *cough* i mean my friends word against his :thumb: