A friend of my just graduated from high school and her (idiotic) parents bought her a GSXR1000... She has two years of prior experience on a 250 Yamaha dirt bike and believes that this qualifies her to ride the GSXR. I can't talk her into a 500, SV650 or even an older 600.
I hate to do it but would it be wrong to talk to her parents about Luc Bourdon's recent death? It is my understanding that he bought his GSXR 750 as a first bike only 2 days before his death, perhaps riding a more novice friendly bike might not have saved him but no one can dispute the fact that a novice rider on any modern 600+ inline-four is asking for an accident. Her parents probably don't know how much power the bike actually has, and her two years of dirt biking must have been comforting enough to them to allow her to have it.
I might end up getting her bike taken away from her (hopefully) and that would be something that I would hate to have happen to me. But hey, I've had 2 GS500's over the past 2 years and I don't feel like I could handle anything more powerful in a stressful or surprising situation. I think it's worth loosing her as a friend to keep her out of harms way, am I wrong?
You should punch her dad in the face .... Hes handed her a Gun more of less, and she'll pull the trigger
U give a Gs a handful, it might come up .. mine does.. but a stock one wouldnt ,Give a GSXR a handful and ur dead...
Can she even ride ur Gs? , id tell her to give that a go...
Yes tell them , if thats not proof that a huge bike to a new person, is more of less suicide
Don't be such in a rush to talk to the parents...
She's THEIR daughter... they know her best... They must have confidence that she would treat the bike with respect and not act like a squid.
I purchased my first R6 about 15 months after getting my GS500f... the GS was my very first bike. She, on the other hand, has been riding dirt for two years... I think you've got your heart in the right place, but your mindset isn't.
Quote from: Jay_wolf on June 11, 2008, 09:17:50 PM
You should punch her dad in the face .... Hes handed her a Gun more of less, and she'll pull the trigger
U give a Gs a handful, it might come up .. mine does.. but a stock one wouldnt ,Give a GSXR a handful and ur dead...
Can she even ride ur Gs? , id tell her to give that a go...
Yes tell them , if thats not proof that a huge bike to a new person, is more of less suicide
bingo.
send her, and her parents to http://home1.gte.net/res0ak9f/bike.htm (ride 2 die)
find the nastiest crashes on youtube and rotten, and make her watch a few. hopefully she'll hate you for losing a gixxer, and you'll influence her to live a nice long fruitful life.
You can THINK u can ride , and U'll end up killing yourself , She Will THINK she is Great at Riding , And then theres a funeral
Ive been riding since i was 13 on dirtbikes, first 50cc road bike at 17 , and then 5/6 125cc until i was 19. and got a gs500 , and the thing scared the crap out of me , when ur used to 0-60 in maybe 8-9 seconds (TZR 125cc) . and then i got a gs , it took me a good 3/4 months to get used to the power curve , and by then i had complete control over the bike , which i learnt on all my other bikes ... Ive ridden a few 600cc's a zzr 600r ,. Cbr 600 .. and they were fast and a lil scary , and i didnt over gun it , and these were 30 min ride max , where i couldnt push it to hard, on a nice warm dry , and ive had what 8 years bike experance ..
Im not a kitty cat however , i feel i have progressed on to bigger bikes ,and i respect them so much
She has ridden a 250cc , even a Aprillia Rs250 2 smoke , is one of the quickest 250's and theyre nothing compaired a Zzr600r
So u think its right for a girl who rode for 2 years on a Weak 250cc Dirt bike , is ready for 160 bhp? Something that can Smoke A R6?
U said it yourself Ann , u waited 15 months to ride a R6 .. and thats learning on a 500cc pretty Fast bike
I think what u said it a load of rubbish ,
Did I read you correctly...a GSXR-1000?! :o
Yeah, what are you waiting for? Speak to her and her parents, pronto.
Tough call. I really have to wonder what the hell the parents are thinking though. 180 HP, sub 350 lbs, 18 years old, on the street with no prior streetbike experience? WTF?
Is the GSXR actually in the garage, or has it been "promised"?
hopefully not delivered yet, cause IDK , seriously have a talk with teh parents ( in private) about the pros and cons of teh deathrocket :cookoo:
The GSXR has been promised and ordered, it'll be at the dealership next week she's been telling me. I'm going to talk to her father about it today as I know him better then her mother, hopefully he is just ignorant to the amount of power this bike actually has.
You should take him on the back Of Your Gs , Drive hard on a straight road , and mention the GSXR has 4 times the power ... He'll Put his wallet down
well put jay. now narcissus, as a rider of 2 years on teh 250 ( her), how well has she ridden, misshaps etc etc etc
play these
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GG09-A4iKSM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CnsaYt9pWWE&NR=1
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oEpumIIZ5Rc&feature=related what this thing is capable of. beg him to reconsider. show him these and what ever eelse you can find. and ask/beg him to reconsider. or at least send her to MSF
Take her father for a ride on your GS and then for a ride on the GSXR that he's bought. Show him the difference. If you don't do something, she may end up dead or in a wheelchair for the rest of her life. You don't want to carry that burden for the rest of your life. Plead with them, offer them rides on both bikes, do everything you can. At least that way, if they do continue with the GSXR, you'll have a clean conscious. Tell them how scared you are for their daughter.
I've ridden dirt bikes since I was in 6th grade, I would say it helped me with low speed maneuvers and passing the test to get my license. But it in absolutely no way, would have prepared me to buy a 1000 as my first bike. I still after two years on my gs am scared to death of a 1000. Could I ride one safely? Yes, but I know I could still get in to a scary situation and probably not come out of it. I hate to say it, but I don't think she would last long on that bike.
wow. I can't believe that I'm the only one that DOESN'T think that a bigger bike is ALWAYS bad...
I've been able to ride an R1, GSXR1000, and Duc 998???.... All MUCH more powerful than both my R6's... I respected the bigger bikes just as much as the R6's...
Would I get a 1000cc bike? Not really. The 600 is just as fun... and as long as you respect ANY BIKE, you'll be ok.
It's not the amount of horsepower underneath you, it's how the rider handles it. THAT'S the main thing I learned on this site... Most of YOU taught me that.... :dunno_white:
I'm with you on this one. These guys are being a bunch of big vaginas...........
I say... Mind yo own binniss. O0 I know a 16 y/o who bought a Repsol CBR 1000 from us and he can ride circles arround me. They obviously know their own daughter better than you could. What do you know about her riding abillity? I say let it be. Not everyone needs to start out on the same bike you did. I know and I believe that the GS is one of the best bikes to learn on, but its not for everyone. She could just as easily be killed on a GS500.
To each his own, but I say keep your nose out of it. Its not your place.
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It all depends on the maturity of the rider. And don't hand that BS that she's just graduated from HS either, I know plenty of 30ish people that have a maturity lvl of a 5 year old. Had my 750 for 2 years now with about 1 yr on the GS and I'm still alive. Been riding with a friend of mine his first bike was a busa, no accidents yet in the past 3 years. And yes we do more then go fast in a stright line :icon_mrgreen:
But because you are worried this is what I thought of;
You didn't say if she took the MSF course or not, if your really worried about her safty talk to them about her taking the MSF and proper gear. From reading your first post she wants a new sportbike, not an old one try talking her down to a NEW 600.
Then even if you do convince he parents not to get her a 1k whats to stop her from going and getting one herself? You need to talk to her not the parents, actually the best thing would be to sit them all down together. Don't make her get a bike she doesn't want to ride. More than likey she won't ride it and thats one more person less to enjoy motorcycle riding.
There is NOTHING wrong with finding out if the parents know a damn thing about bikes. They might be shocked to find out what they are putting their daughter on. I'm guessing that he knows whether his friend is mature enough to have a chance at success with the bike, and I'm further guessing he has come to the conclusion that their is reason to believe she might not have a good grasp of what she is potentially getting into. If you don't know the parents much at all, then I would probably recommend not talking to them and just continue to try talking to her, but it sounds like you know her parents pretty well, so that makes things way easier.
Having said that...DON'T go into the conversation with a line like "Do you know your daughter could get killed on that thing?". That ain't the right way to approach the subject. Just casually inquire how they came to the decision that that particular bike is the right one. For all you know the parents might have walked in to a dealership and asked the first salesperson they saw, "what's a popluar motorcycle now-a-days?". From there you can drop subtle hints that you are concerned the bike might not be the best choice. If they have any brains at all, and value the safety of their daughter, they will pick up on the hints and should naturally be curious to learn more about what they are buying. There doesn't have to be any scare-tactics on your part at all in the conversation.
Maybe everyone has done their research and feels comfortable with the purchase. If so, then great! But I would MUCH rather have a friend's parents ask me "why is that bike not good", then to ask me "why didn't you tell us that bike wasn't right". All this "Its THEIR daughter" crap is ridiculus. She may be their daughter, but she is also his friend. I'm guessing none of them want to see her hurt. I don't know if you've noticed, but many parents today believe letting their kids run wild, do whatever they want, and buying them anything they want is 'good parenting'.
Quote from: Jon The Buddha on June 12, 2008, 08:25:50 AM
All this "Its THEIR daughter" crap is ridiculus.
??? Hmm... I highly dissagree.. This seems to be the "American way" Push your ideals on everyone else because "we" are always right "they" are always wrong :cheers:
They may not be making a good desicion but its THEIR decision to make. Guiding them and giving them "your" advise is not a good idea... What makes you the expert?
I recall a debate here not that long ago about people correcting or yelling at another persons children... Seemd to be the general concensus was... you just dont do that. I would think that this is the same scenario. Here in our dealership if an 18yo kid comes in to buy a Busa he gets the busa. not the 5th degree from us. Its not our responsibillity to tell people what bike they "should buy" sounds wrong to you all im sure but its not. People live their own lives, not what lives you think they should live. Do you tell them they have to go to church with you on sunday? or eat no meat? or stop smoking? no.. its not your place, not your business.
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I have to agree with Jon. Age is hard to judge someone's maturity level. I know a lot of youngsters who are very mature and responsible and a lot of "older" people who are just as likely to get themselves killed by being idoits.
If your conscience is telling you to do something, then perhaps broach the subject with the parents and see how much they know. A responbile sales person should have pointed out to them how much bike they are buying for their daughter.
Bottom line, if they feel comfortable putting their daughter on the bike and she's comfortable being on the bike, then there isn't too much you can do. :dunno_white:
As an aside...when I graduated highschool (or even University), my parents never bought me a bike (let alone a GSXR). Lucky girl :icon_lol:
So Scott , when u mention ur dealership has sold a GSXR and its come back 2 days later smashed in half, That person was ready for it ? no
What would someones first car be , a old Station wagon , or a Dodge Viper..
She has no experiance with a huge bike , and i dont really want to know that she is dead to back up my theory of One step at a time
aw come on scottPAgs, it snot just giving his advice, its reality. There are some things that people shouldn't have to make a mistake to realize what has happened. Would you hand a loaded gun to a 10 year old and say don't play with it, no. You also shouldn't give somebody a bike that they will MORE THAN LIKELY crash on. A gs ninja 500 gsx650f, fz6, maybe even an r6 but my god a gixxer 1000??? :cookoo: Thats just crazy for somebody who likes to trail brake and do things on dirt. Can you imagine the first time they try dirt manuevers on the street, its gonna go down hard. I don't think he's pushing his views or values on them as much as expressing concern for a friend who's probably gonna get hurt on the thing.
Exactly Jay.. they werent ready for that bike and should have never bought it... But its not my place to tell him otherwise... Nothing wrong with sugesting you get something else, but to just flat out say its gonna kill you is wrong. Does anyone mind their own business anymore? Im not saying giving your input is wrong but dont tell someone else what to buy.
I 100% think that its just "american" to be like that. You are doing it all wrong.. Let me show you how it should be done.... Yea.. just not cool IMHO
Amen, brother peachfuzz. I'll suggest something different once if someone tells me they're getting the latest CBR/GSXR whatever and past that, it's their f%$king life.
On topic, there's a 19 year old here that rides an MV F4 serie oro as his first bike and has made it 2 years without a problem :dunno_white:
She didnt ask for the bike or pick it , so that even takes out the * i think im ready * part of it , being she hasnt say on it , mite not feel comfy , mite not be able to flat foot,
And Terry, One Kid has a bike, who mite have some experancew before that , probabably test drove etc,
The Hockey player thought he could ride , and lasted 2 days , is thats not a good cause behind it i dont no what is
Hockey guy lasted 2 weeks not 2 days :icon_mrgreen: anyway....
I hope you all know I love to debate! I suck at it but I love it! I take nothing to heart :icon_mrgreen: So know we can battle and I hold no grudges :icon_mrgreen:
Still another Death .. After looking at ride or Die , it made me realllly think , that the days its hot and i go out in a T shirt could be terrable , i could loose my tattoo etc
Quote from: Jay_wolf on June 12, 2008, 09:40:31 AM
Still another Death .. After looking at ride or Die , it made me realllly think , that the days its hot and i go out in a T shirt could be terrable , i could loose my tattoo etc
I have been thinking that every day this week its been 90F+ and damn my black armored jacket is HOT! but I ride w/ it every time. O0 And I "rccomend" others do the same :icon_mrgreen: But I wont tell you that youll die if you dont :icon_lol:
Well i suppose my 8 years of bike riding experiance , has nothing to do with the fact im safe on the road ,
the fact ive never jumped the gun and learned Bit by bit 50cc, 70cc , 125 cc , 500cc
not .. 250cc, to 1000 because im a Big man
I ride leather all the time now too. It's 96 here and I'm about to put it on and go for a ride.
You call a test ride on an MV serie oro experience?? Not hardly, you don't get the full feel for a bike like that until you've pulled out of a sweeper at 130+ and the wheel yanks up while your still leaned over. It's all about common sense, she has it or she doesn't. Who said anything about proving manliness?? If you took it a step at a time, great for you. Stay the f%$k out of other peoples lives unless they invite you into it.
The way I see it, you have a RIGHT to be concerned for her safety. Her dad may not know a damn thing about bikes, and therefore just bought one that the salesman talked him into buying. It's not him pushing his ideals onto someone else or butting into their business, it's caring for a friend. She may not even know how powerful that bike is. I would rather make a friend mad by making a suggestion than not say a word and her get hurt. True friends are supposed to speak up. True friends are supposed to piss you off if you're about to do something stupid. I say go to her house, sit her dad down in front of a computer, and show him this thread. Maybe it'll open his eyes. At least you will know you tried. If he gets pissed, then there's nothing else you can do, but it may change his mind and possibly save a friend and family a lot of heartache. No one is saying she'll definitely get hurt. We're just saying that there's a lot higher risk with the GSXR. No matter what you say, the GS is MUCH more forgiving of mistakes than the GSXR would be. You can't deny that. Can't make you do it man, but personally......I think you would be an idiot and a coward to NOT say something. Sure, there are plenty who have started out on a 1000cc bike, but how many are still around? :dunno_white:
NO. NO. AND f%$king NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Working with/for the DOD, you especially should know a lot about personal responsibility. To relate, I instructed a class for my company once on proper maintenance procedures on an M2. One dickhead private decided he didn't want to listen and was going to be a hotshot. He didn't secure the bolt as he was attempting to separate the receivers and lost most of his pointer finger. That's his f%$king fault, the information was not only out there, but being supplied. He just didn't want to listen. If someone buys a bike from an uneducated POV, that's their problem, let it be. If someone's parents buy them a bike without researching it first, they are shitty parents and the burden of whatever may come will hang upon their heads.
OP: mention, once that a 1000cc superbike may not be the best starter street-bike. If they don't want to listen, fine. If they do listen, work from there. Just don't push the decision.
Personal Responsibility, people.........I mean seriously.
I do know about personal responsibility Terry, but cm'on man! What if the salesman didn't know it was for the guys daughter? What if he thought it was for the father? What if the father doesn't know anything at all about motorcycles? Hell, he probably wanted to get her the prettiest bike on the floor. One he thought she would like. Maybe he thought they all were about the same except for looks.
One question. Lets say you have a daughter that just graduated from hs. Lets say you didn't know anything at all about motorcycles and you went to a dealer and the salesguy says, "Sure, this is a great motorcycle. It's really reliable, and has all of the really advanced safety features. And, I can get you a great deal on the thing!" You buy the thing for YOUR daughter, not knowing how dangerous it is because the salesguy didn't warn you for fear of not selling the bike. If your daughter knows someone who does know about bikes, wouldn't you want him to speak up and at least make sure you know what you're doing?
I'm all for personal responsibility, but I like to make absolutely sure someone knows what they're getting into beforehand. The guy at the dealer just wanted to make a sale, I'm sure. Certainly you can't disagree with that reasoning! The burden will not only fall on her parents, but on Narcissus as well. Imagine how guilty he would feel if he didn't say a word and something did happen. I wouldn't be able to live with myself. Knowing that just a short conversation may have changed the course of events would be unbearable to me. Lets say, no-one makes sure they know what they have. She's cruising down the road and accidentally twists the throttle a little too much, not knowing how quickly it gets up to speed and blows a red light t-boning your car @ 80mph....90mph....160mph. Your silence has come back to bite you in the ass and now it has affected someone other than her and her family.
As far as the hotshot private, I've had those before as well. If I even had an inkling that he wasn't paying attention, then I would have put my foot in his ass until he was a SME BEFORE he lost the tip of his finger. It was your responsibility to train him to standard....Not allow him to do something stupid. When we were mobing for iraq in '04, there were several dumbass privates that didn't want to listen. To hell with allowing them to be FUBAR and not know their stuff. My LIFE depended on them knowing what to do, what to say, where to go, what not to do, etc... I'm not knocking your skills at all, it's just the way it was done in my unit. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Nothing at all wrong with that. I still love ya man! ;)
I think that was Terrys point.. Its the fathers responsibility TO KNOW... if he has no idea about bikes, he should not be making any desicions on what his daughter rides w/o some serious research.
And.. say he reccomends the GS as her bike.. dad buys that instead... Girl dies on GS the next day? How ya feel now?
I'm not saying she needs a GS. I'm not saying she not get the gixxer. I'm saying make sure he knows how powerful and unforgiving it is, then it's on him no matter what happens. Obviously he's concerned for her safety, or he wouldn't be asking for advice. That tells me that he doesn't think she can handle the bike. Either way, there will be risk. All you can do is minimize the risk to her and others. Wonder how she'll do on her license test on that bike??
Quote from: scottpA_GS on June 12, 2008, 08:43:35 AM
Quote from: Jon The Buddha on June 12, 2008, 08:25:50 AM
All this "Its THEIR daughter" crap is ridiculus.
??? Hmm... I highly dissagree.. This seems to be the "American way" Push your ideals on everyone else because "we" are always right "they" are always wrong :cheers:
They may not be making a good desicion but its THEIR decision to make. Guiding them and giving them "your" advise is not a good idea... What makes you the expert?
I recall a debate here not that long ago about people correcting or yelling at another persons children... Seemd to be the general concensus was... you just dont do that. I would think that this is the same scenario. Here in our dealership if an 18yo kid comes in to buy a Busa he gets the busa. not the 5th degree from us. Its not our responsibillity to tell people what bike they "should buy" sounds wrong to you all im sure but its not. People live their own lives, not what lives you think they should live. Do you tell them they have to go to church with you on sunday? or eat no meat? or stop smoking? no.. its not your place, not your business.
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I'm not sure how me suggesting a way to help keep a friend from potentially hurting themselves leads you to believe I 'push my ideals on everyone else'. I only push my ideals on my friends! ;)
I'm also not sure how you can assume dealing with a customer equates to dealing with a friend. I don't expect a salesperson to try and keep a potentially inexperienced rider off of a busa...I expect his friends and family to do that.
Ok, this reply is just me being a worthless postwhore to get my 100th post! :cheers:
:nono: :nono: ;)
to be blunt...it is non of your business. did they just pull a gixxer out of the sky or has she mentioned this before. i course i think it is a mistake but it is up to her and her parents.
wow. where to start. okay, i can see everyone's point in this. my vote is to say something. you know, today in this world everyone seems to be of the attitude, it's all about me and f%$k everyone else. i don't need help or guidence i can do it my damn self. the kicker is when said person with such attitude is hurt, maimed or killed because of their lack of humility to accept good intentioned advice. and then want to turn around and sue someone because of their own stupidity. f%$king dumb. stupid lawsuits piss me off. if you're really friends with this person, speak up. i believe in personal responsibilty but i also EXPECT my best friends to shake some sense into me when i'm being a bonehead. just my two cents. :thumb:
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Quote from: Jay_wolf on June 12, 2008, 09:40:31 AM
Still another Death .. After looking at ride or Die , it made me realllly think , that the days its hot and i go out in a T shirt could be terrable , i could loose my tattoo etc
I have been thinking that every day this week its been 90F+ and damn my black armored jacket is HOT! but I ride w/ it every time. O0 And I "rccomend" others do the same :icon_mrgreen: But I wont tell you that youll die if you dont :icon_lol:
we never, or i never said she would DIE, just breaking it down, that a bike of that calibre, has very little room for error, myself i know people who have bought 1k's as tehir first bikes. most of which have had no problems, one has wreclked, ( in the parking lot) and one is buried not a mile and a half from my home. it is their child per se, id say if youre going to talk to them jsut let them know that that machine has almost no room for error, ( although a liter duc is worse lol, as far as room for error) :thumb:, who knows maybe she is/can be an excelletn rider. who knows, would i sell a gix like that to a young/inexperienced person, sure. however i would talk with them to make sure they knew what they were buying :thumb:
People don't like being told they are wrong for decisions they make. Find a good non-offensive way to approach it and express YOUR opinions... yeah, we are free to do that and it's your duty as a friend.
Posted this on another thread ... Honda has a promo on CBR125R for $3500... Full Gear and 3yr Warranty with roadside.
http://www.honda.ca/Go/En/index.html
Ive had one of those, when i was a little younger , Couldnt Pull the skin off a rice pudding
Quote from: Jay_wolf on June 13, 2008, 07:12:24 AM
Ive had one of those, when i was a little younger , Couldnt Pull the skin off a rice pudding
Yeah, I couldn't imagine that on the street. My old 100 dirtbike felt like it would only do 35.
ok, couldn't resist...
generally I'm a mind your own business kind of guy... and I don't agree that liter bike for first bike = death. maybe she's got talent.
but I also like Hunter S. Thompson. so this is a repost. this article has made it's way around every motorcycle forum ever made and I'm surprised no one pulled it out yet.
http://proitalia.com/reviews/hst.html
ask her and her folks to read this article and try to keep some perspective she's probably not going to ride like Mr. Thompson did because he was a little crazy.
Advocate for all the gear all the time. thats pretty much all you can and should do. and yeah, 1000cc's is pretty big. I wouldn't ride that bike on the street. I like my skin. so I can see where you're coming from but seriously, time to mind your P's and Q's as my mom used to say.
we all take a life endangering chance any time we swing the leg over. doesn't matter the size of the bike. ride what you want and ride it fast but safe. thats what I say.
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I suspect that 99% of the time, a GSXR1000 is a bad idea for a starter bike. If you fall in that 1%, good for you. It is probably a bad idea unless you want to do a lot of throttle wheelies and are immune to ticket/insurance issues.
A 250 can be a fairly powerful dirt bike by the way, more like a 750 equivalent in street bike terms. 100cc is a starter bike. 125cc motocross (racing dirt bikes) are pretty fast, capable of powering through turns, jumping 40 feet, popping wheelies at will, etc. 250's are powerful enough that beginner riders have issues looping them (360 degree wheelie), and 500's are just weird bikes for extremists.
I don't believe that dirt riding teaches you how to drive with others. Big part of street driving/riding. Can she drive a car? Well? Ie, no tickets, no accidents.
I called her father's cell phone and left a message on his voice mail asking him to call me back, I didn't say why. Although I did tell my friend that I was going to try and talk him out of buying this for her. She wasn't pleased and we fell into the same argument we first had when she announced the news to me. We decided that bickering among one another wouldn't change anything as she was confident her father would still go ahead with the purchase once it arrived. We'll see.
i still think this is not your business and should just stay out of it....but i guess you are not so i wish you luck. :thumb:
I agree with Frankie, old saying in the south...mind your own.
If you really want to help her talk to her about a MSF course, offer riding tips, books on proper cycle technics, ride with her. Let the family decide whats best and just be a friend.
Just Trying to stop a mistake , if hes got the money for her to have a gsxr, why not even a 600? u no , i wouldnt go from a 250cc to a 1000 and im a good rider
who knows jay, but i wish her the best :thumb:
There's a fine line between "interference" and "intervention". Speaking out might seem like Interference but it might save the girl's skin from being left "intermacadam".
Safest to intervene if there's any doubt, but don't be a typical 'do it my way or hit the highway' American about it.
(can't avoid reminding everyone that road-tar was invented by a Scot!)
Quote from: Jay_wolf on June 13, 2008, 09:17:52 PM
Just Trying to stop a mistake , if hes got the money for her to have a gsxr, why not even a 600? u no , i wouldnt go from a 250cc to a 1000 and im a good rider
Who are you to decide if her getting a 1000 is a mistake... stay out of it. The ONLY thing you can do as a REAL friend is to talk to her about MSF courses and proper riding techniques.
If you stick your nose in the way you want to, you're not being a real good friend... you're trying to run her life...
If you want to be a real good friend, help her stay safe no matter what decision she or her family makes.
Help her stay safe by saying , yea Anns Right he knows if you can handle that Powerful racing Bike , even tho he knows nothing about you or how u drive , A MSF is going to keep some one safe.. because they no how to do a circle at low speed, dont worry about the fact it can accelerate Faster than 99% of all cars on the road . maybe driving lessions should be done in Dodge Vipers and Enzos.. because that would be safe ,
If one of my Friends Said there dads getting them a Gsxr ,. i would get them to ride on my bike , watch them Freak , and tell them they dont want it
ok.... so my R6 can out accelerate 99% of the cars on the road too. What makes the R6 'safer' than that gsxr1000?
and the main point that I think you're missing is this:
It's not WHAT you ride... it's HOW you ride...
people can get killed on a 250
people can live a long happy life on a 1300
it DOESN'T matter the vehicle... it's how you command it.
I wouldnt Suggest a R6 either to be fair , im going to get a Streetfightered one , and i no they were the first 600cc to make over 100 bhp .. think it they make well over
I suggest to them to get her a GS500F, then after she gets good practice riding it and feel for road, get her the GSXR. 2 bikes instead of 1, so she cant be mad either. She's safer, so parents are happy. maybe she's not going to like it, then she can give up with the GS instead of GSXR.
Cool.
Buddha.
Your first street bike ought to be easy to ride in the street. Does anyone even believe that a GSXR1000 is that bike?
103mph in 1st gear :laugh:
http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?s=2d2207015676d35a03d83ef021187a5c&t=173856
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTKZ4Gn9MiI
Now, can you tell me why dad is not getting her a Busa?
What is nice about people that buy GSXR1000's is that a lot of them are sold by people who bought them and got scared of riding them. I look forward to making one of them (maybe this one?) my 6th or 7th bike.....lol
well if its bound to happen, let her ride yours, let her know what teh 1k is capable of, then go wiht her to shop for gear, from teh helmet on down ot the boots, and wish her luck, the MSF would help, yes an for slow speed stuff, but also to teach how to get out of a tricky situation
I was going to read this whole thread when I clicked in but the first few posts pissed me off. I'm not so much as to think you're being a bunch of pussies...but I do think you're all crossing way over the line by trying to get the bike taken away from her. shaZam! have you even thought to talk to her about it?
Further, getting a liter bike doesn't mean "instant death". I spent some time on a tweaked out CBR1000 with next to no experience on a bike and managed to do ok. And a bike's ability has absolutely nothing to do with what it will actually do. TL's are known for being wheelie machines...in three years I had the front wheel of my TLS in the air ONCE. It was also capable of tunnel-vision inducing speeds...never went there.
And I'll have you all know that I've spent time on race bikes and street bikes and dirt bikes...all far more powerful than they needed to be...and the only bike I hurt myself on was a Ninja 250.
Grow up and be a man...I think you're jealous because a girl has a meaner bike than you.
Im very much leaning on Maks side here.
Yes her parents should probably have a little more restraint and spend a bit longer thinking about it and said actually she doesn't need a 1000 it is abit dangerous due to so easily getting yourself into an accident and should probably have chosen a 600 or something.
However, this is not your decision to make, showing her rotten videos of bike accidents (if i were her) would make me punch your lights out. I don't want to see that shaZam!, you don't need to see that shaZam!. When you get on a bike you should feel how exposed they are and thats a deterrent. Plus its scare mongering. I could show you pictures of when a plane at the airport had a wing fold on it during a display and plumited into the ground infront of the tower window. Would that do you any good in the world? no you would think i was a sick bastard and tell me your not going to fly again. Now your missing out on holidays in the sun all the time.
Those videos could happen to anyone on any bike, it could happen on a frickin push bike! You will scare her away from everything.
What you SHOULD do. Is go out with her. Show you care by being there the first day shes going to ride it, try and encourage her to go with you on her first ride, tell her parents that you will take her out first time and that will show you care. You take the lead, you set the pace and you take it slow, and build it up. If shes out with you shes not going to blast off into the distance she will ride with you and if shes doing that you can introduce her to her own bike at a slower pace. Plus your there if anything does happen which is what you need to be in this situation.
And im pretty damn sure that as mak said you have some feelings of jealousy that shes got such a large bike - that you would maybe hope to get one day. Many things in life people jump in at the deep end, and if someones there to help them it will force them to learn quicker and not neccessarily be any more dangerous after the first jump in the pool.
Please don't go and scare her, you will either lose your friend or put her off bikes for life and thats not what you want.
What does jealousy or the fact that 1 out of 100 GSXR1000 starter bike owners may have had no problems have to do with whether it is the right bike for a 1st street bike? The exception does not prove the rule. A TL (125hp) or an R6 (104hp) is nowhere near the same league as a 2008 GXSR1000 (185hp). R6 has slightly more than HALF the horsepower. The GSXR1000 is made for people who think their GSXR750 is too slow.
Jealousy has much more to do with the whole thing than your made up statistics.
Quote from: makenzie71 on June 15, 2008, 06:36:29 AM
Jealousy has much more to do with the whole thing than your made up statistics.
+1
Thank you Mak, Kasumi, and the FEW others that see it like it is... I was begining to think that I was the only one that thought that way.
Quote from: wreckhog on June 15, 2008, 06:13:02 AM
What does jealousy or the fact that 1 out of 100 GSXR1000 starter bike owners may have had no problems have to do with whether it is the right bike for a 1st street bike? The exception does not prove the rule. A TL (125hp) or an R6 (104hp) is nowhere near the same league as a 2008 GXSR1000 (185hp). R6 has slightly more than HALF the horsepower. The GSXR1000 is made for people who think their GSXR750 is too slow.
Damn I gotta get a 1K now?!? JK :laugh:
Everybody keeps on talking about accidents on a sportbike. Except for racing vid's the most accidents I see are people doing stunts on them. Except for that SV guy that hit the tree. . . . he should never be allowed on a bike again. The reason I mentioned the MSF course was not so she can learn to do a figure 8 in a box but to learn about situational awareness learning about watching other drivers, auto's and the other safety stuff they teach you.
I really do belive safty if more about the rider than the ride.
Quote from: wreckhog on June 14, 2008, 06:23:08 PM
What is nice about people that buy GSXR1000's is that a lot of them are sold by people who bought them and got scared of riding them. I look forward to making one of them (maybe this one?) my 6th or 7th bike.....lol
This alone is reason enough to let her buy it. If she cant ride it (like you think she cant) then you can buy it cheap :cheers:
:laugh:
Quote from: blue05twin on June 15, 2008, 08:49:39 AM
Quote from: wreckhog on June 15, 2008, 06:13:02 AM
What does jealousy or the fact that 1 out of 100 GSXR1000 starter bike owners may have had no problems have to do with whether it is the right bike for a 1st street bike? The exception does not prove the rule. A TL (125hp) or an R6 (104hp) is nowhere near the same league as a 2008 GXSR1000 (185hp). R6 has slightly more than HALF the horsepower. The GSXR1000 is made for people who think their GSXR750 is too slow.
Damn I gotta get a 1K now?!? JK :laugh:
Everybody keeps on talking about accidents on a sportbike. Except for racing vid's the most accidents I see are people doing stunts on them. Except for that SV guy that hit the tree. . . . he should never be allowed on a bike again. The reason I mentioned the MSF course was not so she can learn to do a figure 8 in a box but to learn about situational awareness learning about watching other drivers, auto's and the other safety stuff they teach you.
I really do belive safty if more about the rider than the ride.
Price out liability only for an 08 GS500F vs an 08 GSXR1000. Same rider, different ride. Ought to be the same right? Given that you are insuring the other guy in the accident, not your bike. Insurance companies aren't conspiring. They base rates on what their payouts are for similar vehicles/riders/usage historically.
Price out liability only for an 08 GS500F vs an 08 GSXR1000. Same rider, different ride. Ought to be the same right? Given that you are insuring the other guy in the accident, not your bike. Insurance companies aren't conspiring. They base rates on what their payouts are for similar vehicles/riders/usage historically.
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are you serious ? even just liability should be a good difference between those two bikes.
it's like the difference between a corolla and a twin-turbo supra. sure, both are toyotas, but very different and they usually attract very different people.
maybe its NOT jealousy, but perhaps, who knows, overblown caring/worry?, that aside, i owuld suggest teh MSF/ and gear, and a group ride, as was stated. id say shell prolly do fine. as long as she respects the machine that she is on :thumb:
Quote from: wreckhog on June 15, 2008, 09:07:35 AM
Quote from: blue05twin on June 15, 2008, 08:49:39 AM
Quote from: wreckhog on June 15, 2008, 06:13:02 AM
What does jealousy or the fact that 1 out of 100 GSXR1000 starter bike owners may have had no problems have to do with whether it is the right bike for a 1st street bike? The exception does not prove the rule. A TL (125hp) or an R6 (104hp) is nowhere near the same league as a 2008 GXSR1000 (185hp). R6 has slightly more than HALF the horsepower. The GSXR1000 is made for people who think their GSXR750 is too slow.
Damn I gotta get a 1K now?!? JK :laugh:
Everybody keeps on talking about accidents on a sportbike. Except for racing vid's the most accidents I see are people doing stunts on them. Except for that SV guy that hit the tree. . . . he should never be allowed on a bike again. The reason I mentioned the MSF course was not so she can learn to do a figure 8 in a box but to learn about situational awareness learning about watching other drivers, auto's and the other safety stuff they teach you.
I really do belive safty if more about the rider than the ride.
Price out liability only for an 08 GS500F vs an 08 GSXR1000. Same rider, different ride. Ought to be the same right? Given that you are insuring the other guy in the accident, not your bike. Insurance companies aren't conspiring. They base rates on what their payouts are for similar vehicles/riders/usage historically.
Sorry for the Thread Jack
You gotta me kidding me?!? I don't think I even mentioned insurance. I was talking about the most accidents I have ever seen besides racing ( and I'm talking about Moto GP and other sanctioned races NOT street racing ) were with sportbikes and people doing stunts on them.
I have state farm insurance, when I had my 05 GS500F I was paying right at $200 for 6 months full coverage, when I got my 06 GSXR750 the insurance for that bike was $250 for full coverage for 6 months. Now it's just $200 for full coverage for my 750 and $250 for my ex wife's 600. ( We are divorced but still live together yeah wierd but anyhoo).
Insurance rates are based on a number of different things most important is how the insurance company classfies a bike. Here's a list of a few of the things that they look for. What bikes are most stollen. What bikes are most involed in an accident. How many cc's is your bike. SOME not all insurace companys even classify by type of bike. And your credit rating.
When I asked my agent why my 750 was less than my ex's 600 it was because 600's are the one's listed as most stollen and envoled in more accidents then the 750 was. So even tho I have more cc's I have a lower insurance rate. And $50 buckes difference between 05 GS 500F and 06 GSXR 750 is not all that bad.
End of Thread Jack.
What you are talking about is full coverage. Liability covers the other guy in an accident of which you are at least partially responsible. An 08 GS500 would run me $200/year. 08 GSXR1000 would run me about $600. That is minimum liability and uninsured/uninsured, which is required for motorcycles in my state. No comp or collisiion. Ie theft, or any damage to my bike is not covered. Same rider, same coverage, ought to be the same cost if the chances of me hitting something were the same.
gear, msf, and on the group ride, let her lead for a bit, then you can stare and her hind end for 20 miles. anyhoo. i guess, more i think about it, msf, and decent gear would be good, ( if she doesnt have any of teh aforementioned)
Why would any be jelous of someone having a Gsxr 1000? I love my gs , if i didnt id get a damn GSXR 1000 ,
Im getting a Truimph Daytona 675 , and my girlfriends got a 2007 Evo 8 ,. im not jelous
i dont want to here some poor girl has died
neither would i m8, BUT most here say its not the OP's choice. which truthfull it isnt. jsut gotta figure out a way ( with tact), or as some say do nothing. eithr way someone will be angry/hurt :dunno_white:
I worry bout My Princess in her Evo , and thats got 4 wheels! , going from a 1.6 Fiesta Zetec *90 bhp maybe * to a 350 bhp Evo Turbo .. Even that scares me a little
Wow, controversy
I don't agree with trying to talk her out of buying a bike of this caliber, but I don't see any harm in making sure that everybody knows what to expect from this bike. It never hurts to make sure that people are educated and knowledgable about what they are getting themselves into.
Completely agree with Safety Course and appropriate gear.