Hey, my name is Justin,
I recently bought a rebuilt 1994 GS500e. Just a few days ago I thought it was time to do an oil change on it. This was my first oil change. I looked into it to make sure I knew what I was doing and once I had all the parts I began working. I got the oil drained, new filter installed and was puting on the oil filter casing cover when I snapped one of the threaded studs that is mounted into the block. I freaked for a few minutes then thought ok no big deal get the cover back off to get a true look at the full damage. Well I get the first two of three nut off and the third one is turning off when I realize it is only spinning. Well, it comes down to I can't get the nut off because the stud or nut is striped.
Options,
1. Pry the cover enough to get the nut off. Then get a new cover and studs and nuts,
2. Try a cuting device to get the nut off the stud to get the cover off.
3. Yeah I don't have a third option.
What I am asking for is some good advice. I'm pretty new and want to do this myself but does anyone have some tips for what I chould do.
I will take any advice I can get on this one.
Ok So we finally got the oil cap off. Wow that was fun. We ended up having to cut off the last nut cause it would spin lefty loosy but would not ingage the threeads and actually come off. But yeah got it off and did not damage anything else. The new cap and o-ring are on the way. Plus I got five new studs and nuts incase I am stupid again when I put the three new ones on. LOL Thanks everyone for all your advice. Hope to talk later.
I would try prying off the cover while trying to loosen the nut at the same time. Should come off with enough pressure. The studs can be replaced. If you don't feel confident in working on it, I would bring it to a shop and have them do it the right way.
The thing is the only shop that will do it is like 35 minutes away and I will know they will charge a ridiculous amount and I don't really have a way to get it there lol. I will probably work on it myself. Its actually sitting in my friends garage right now. Does anyone think I will have any problems internally if it sits for a few days while I order the parts.
I'm planning on just getting a new set of both the threaded studs, nuts, and a new case cover for the oil filter.
If you've got enough mechanical knowhow, no problem, but it sounds like you seriously overtorqued the nuts so :dunno_white:
If you've worked on cars before but not bikes you've got to realise that the threads are mostly a lot smaller and need much less torque than maybe you're used to. Invest in a torque wrench and a manual. Also lots of threads on a bike are into alloy (like the new studs) so again the torque has to be right.
Also, is there enough of the broken stud left to get two nuts on it to remove it?
The nut that is spinning could be because the thread in the block is stripped (alloy) so you would need to have that drilled and heli-coiled. To get it out try what mayhem suggested and pry the cover with a couple of screwdrivers while undoing the nut- it may come off. Be careful to protect the surface of the engine block and cover as you're prying, that alloy is soft.
You may not need a new cover, check how it looks when you get it off and use a straight edge to check its flat. The O-ring gives you a bit of tolerance, and if you find it leaks a bit you can always replace it later.
It won't hurt the engine to sit with that cover off as long as its protected from dust and moisture. If you're worried just tape a plastic container over it.
Good luck :thumb:
Yeah, I have never really worked on bikes. OMG I totally forgot to mention I did snap one of the studs when putting the nuts back on. There is still about a quarter of an inch coming out of the block. to get this stud out and the other ones out as well. Is it a bad idea to use some sort of vice clamp to grab onto the studs and get them out of the block. I am going to replace al three of them. Or is there a special tool I should get. I really feel dumb asking but I'm still learning so whatever.
I wrapped by screwdrivers in electrical tape as to not scratch the sealing surface of the block when prying the cover off.
Again, More advice if anyone has it would be appreciated.
Thanks
Juice.
I bent my studs after the first couple oil changes and had to replace them. A set of small vice grips did the trick wonderfully extracting the studs :thumb:
If there's enough stud sticking out to get two of the original nuts on, you put the nuts on and then tighten the nuts very firmly against each other (not against the block, should be at least a very slight gap from bottom nut to the block). Then undo the bottom nut and the whole lot should thread out of the block, two nuts and stud together. If only the nuts move, tighten them harder together.
Could you clarify how many studs are still in the block and whether any look stripped?
If any are not broken or stripped i would leave them in there, if it ain't broke, don't try and fix it!
If it all comes apart OK, remember to use some thread lock and the two nut system when you put the new stud in(not too tight, alloy) or it may come out at the next oil change.
I have one broken and one not sure because I cant get the nut off to actually remove the cover. Yeah the nuts used are top closed type nuts. It was to make the bike look more professionally done. Once I get home tomorrow and work on getting the nut off I will let know. I will post some pictures so you can see the slight damage I did. I want to replace all three studa because when I tightened them down the first time I have a feeling I might have striped them slightly. So I want to replace the whole shabam.
THanks.
Any more advice. ?????
I guess if you think you might have damaged them then its a good idea to replace them. I forgot they're dome nuts, just buy some plain nuts with the same thread. You could just use the multigrips, but you're more likely to bend/break the studs in the process, unless you're careful, and you can't use multigrips to put the new ones in. Maybe you could borrow a plain nut from somewhere else on the bike (or something else metric- car, bicycle, toaster :dunno_white:)? I'm not at home so I can't suggest one.
Does anyone have a Schematic for the 94 GS500e to inform me what the part numbers are for those three studs that are used in the oil filter casing. I tried looking it up online but have not had any luck. I'm still looking myself but if anyone knows I would not mind the help.
check here
http://tinyurl.com/6fnnmh
Ok, The bike is now up and running again. I'm so relieved. But I was wondering if anyone knows how much oil to put in the GS500e.
GS500 takes 2600 ml (2.7 US qts) without filter change and takes 2900 ml (3.1 US qts) with filter change according to Owner's Manual.
I put in 3 qts with or without filter change, has worked for me for 140k GS500 miles.
Quote from: gsJack on August 10, 2008, 07:35:55 PM
GS500 takes 2600 ml (2.7 US qts) without filter change and takes 2900 ml (3.1 US qts) with filter change according to Owner's Manual.
I put in 3 qts with or without filter change, has worked for me for 140k GS500 miles.
yup what he said ↑↑↑