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Title: getting a carry gun
Post by: bombadillo on August 13, 2008, 10:18:27 AM
Well, another gun to the roster, I'm getting an old 1959 russian SKS with 970 rounds, which is a C&R gun so I don't have my stupid 10 day waiting period in california.  The other that I have to wait for is a new springfield XD-9sc with the heinie night sights.  Anyone have any real use with the night sights under their belt.  I didn't know if it was worth it or not, but I'm gonna go for it.  Anyone with much experience on springfield pipe in.  Should be a fun little sub compact to plink with at the range and as a carry gun.  The others on the roster were the Kahr pm9, bersa thunder .380, and if I could afford it the springfield EMP.  But the emp is twice the cost of the xd so there ya go.  I'll post pics when I get it toward the end of the month.
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: spc on August 13, 2008, 10:22:39 AM
HAHA  Waiting period!!!!  That sucks.  In GA you just go in and wait 10 minutes for the NCIC to come back.
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: frankieG on August 13, 2008, 10:49:35 AM
ughhhh
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: bettingpython on August 13, 2008, 01:14:49 PM
NICS in oklahoma on my last pistola...15 seconds :flipoff:

On the subject of night sights yes I loved the 3 dot wilsons I had on my 1991A1 that I turned into a custom carry piece.

Which Heine's are on the xd the 3dot or straight 8 2dots? I'm having a hard time with the straight 8's on my pt1911 It'll put 5 shots in clover leaf at 15yards when I work at it but I keep hitting 2 1/2" high. At 10 yards it's a consistent 1.5" high and I think its me not liking the sight. I'm sending the tritium straight 8's i ordered back, not even going to mount them and will be getting the 3 dots. I can't get used to the whole stacking the balls to create a figure 8 sight concept. focus on the front only and need the vertical reference provided by the standard sight system to keep from hitting high.

FYI this friggn taurus rocks so far I can't believe I shot clover leafs at 15yards through the wide aperature combat sights. 250rounds through it and no bobbles.
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on August 13, 2008, 08:15:24 PM
Quote from: spc on August 13, 2008, 10:22:39 AM
HAHA  Waiting period!!!!  That sucks.  In GA you just go in and wait 10 minutes for the NCIC to come back.
same in TN  :cheers: :cheers: , and AZ and a few other states as well
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: GeeP on August 13, 2008, 10:03:44 PM
Quote from: frankieG on August 13, 2008, 10:49:35 AM
ughhhh

What?  You're not afraid of the boogieman, Frankie?   :icon_razz:

Aww shaZam!!  I misplaced my alien colonization emergency survival kit!  I'm doomed!   :o
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: bombadillo on August 13, 2008, 11:20:06 PM
Yeah, yeah, yeah, blah blah blah.  Thats why they call it the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia.  First thing to go on the bikes is the retarded CA emissions crap and cap everything off.  I've gotta wait and unfortunately can't do anything about it.  Only way around it is to buy a gun dated pre 1959 right now, which Im doing on sunday.  Gonna get an antique gun cabinet, and a new 1959 russian sniper grade SKS in gorgeous condition. 
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: Revere2 on August 16, 2008, 08:39:11 PM
I don't guess I really ever "carry" a piece except in the woods or swamp but I always have one nearby in the boat, car, and I HAVE put one in a backpack on a motorcycle. There's nothing like a fine rich leather well built quality holster but in the woods I usually have an "Uncle Mike's" that I don't really give a damn about. There is nothing more gut wrenching than paying $60-$150 bucks for a nice holster and having limbs and briars give it some "character marks". Heartbreaking.
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on August 16, 2008, 09:49:23 PM
indeed, and frankies ugggh comment, its either he farted or he does this any time any pro gun thread starts. lol look back though all of em, youll see. anyhoo frankie, we all still wuv ya  O0
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: laserred97gt on August 16, 2008, 11:05:14 PM
I've shot an XD40 subcompact, an although the slide seems to "blocky" to me, it shot damn fine.  Seemed to be more accurate then my G19 Glock, which has a longer barrel. 

I like the trijicon night sights on my Glock, but If I ever replace them, I will probably try the Mepros or the TruGlo's

bombadillo, I have these, and love them.  One is now customised, with aftermarket grips and polished slide, slide release, etc.., but no pics yet.  VERY ACCURATE, and bullet travels about 1600fps!

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/laserred97gt/P1040120.jpg)
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/laserred97gt/P1040122.jpg)
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/laserred97gt/P1040134.jpg)

I love my C&R.  These were $119/ea + shipping to my door!  Admittedly, I rarely carry them.  They are stainless steel and very heavy.  In case you are wondering, these are CZ52's.
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: frankieG on August 17, 2008, 08:25:09 AM
when i need a gun i will be 1. issued it 2. take one off the battlefield or 3. take it away from the dumb jerk that pulled it on me, and then promptly beat the shaZam! out of him with it.
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: scottpA_GS on August 17, 2008, 08:33:26 AM
Quote from: frankieG on August 17, 2008, 08:25:09 AM
when i need a gun i will be 1. issued it 2. take one off the battlefield or 3. take it away from the dumb jerk that pulled it on me, and then promptly beat the shaZam! out of him with it.

:icon_mrgreen:

:cheers:
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: frankieG on August 17, 2008, 08:37:19 AM
i know from experience having done all 3 of the ways mentioned
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: bettingpython on August 17, 2008, 09:03:13 AM
 :icon_rolleyes: I love internet badass comments [/Sarcasm_off]

Stay in Canada if you don't like the second ammendment please.

I doubt you've ever taken a gun off anyone who was carrying legally.

Sorry Frankie but I will always disagree with you on this subject.
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: frankieG on August 17, 2008, 12:24:22 PM
 :laugh: :cookoo:
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: laserred97gt on August 17, 2008, 03:49:59 PM
Quote from: frankieG on August 17, 2008, 12:24:22 PM
:laugh: :cookoo:
:bs:

"taking a gun" from a baddie is not as easy as you see in the movies.  And although you are "having done all 3 of the ways mentioned", this cannot work every single time.

If someone is attacking you from a longer distance, will just curl up on the ground until they come into your circle of badassedness?

I have guns for the tradgedy's that you DONT think about, and the people and crimes that people don't like to talk about.

If someone comes through my door in the middle of the night, they have already made the decision to pay for their actions.  I am not about to duke it out with that piece of scum to get his gun (assuming he even has one, some criminals use knives), and then attempt to use an unfamiliar, unknown weapon against them.

I will take MY training, experience and tools and use them in the most effective way I know how to stop that person from doing harm to me or my family.

If that means he leaves when I issue commands and let them know that the police were called, then so be it.  IF they continue their attack, they will be met with force.  I will not try to shoot them in the leg, or the pelvis.  Two to the chest momentarily followed by one to the head if he keeps moving.

I am not about to jeopardize the safety of myself or my family, because I think I can outsmart the badguys and take their weapons. 

That's crazy.
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: spc on August 17, 2008, 04:43:40 PM
+1 laserred.  That's why my rifle sleeps just inside the closet with one in the chamber, my 9 sleeps on my nightstand with one in the chamber and hopefully a little big brother H&K .45 sub compact will be joining it very soon.

(Offer still stands, if someone can get their hands on an actual non-SAMMI compliant SOCOM issue Mk23 I'll give you my Duc for it)
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on August 17, 2008, 09:49:09 PM
frankie i doubt the baddies will run off if you say, " i called the cops", granted if faced with this situation again, i will call the leos, in the meantime, im not gonna say " now mr/mrs bad guy/girl, can you wait until the cops get here?", also i do NOT bluff with my weapons, if they are pulled someone will get shot ( and it wont be me) :thumb:
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: GeeP on August 17, 2008, 10:14:48 PM
Frankie,

You have to remember that most of these guys never had to carry one during the daily action of their job.  They never had to clean and oil it twice a day, ensure it was dry in a frog drowning downpour, account for every round though it, account for the piece itself, and pay holy hell if it was lost.  Then of course, there's the duty that comes with the job.

Several members of my family wore the badge or the green suit for well over a decade each.  None of them miss it.  "That's for the kids." they say.   :laugh:

I thought about carrying at one time.  Frankly, I avoid places where I think there's the slightest chance of something happening.  I just don't need the bullshit or the responsibility, I have enough of both to last a lifetime already.  Regardless, my chances of being killed by a soccer mom in her SUV significantly outweight my chances of being involved in an armed conflict at the grocery store.    :)



Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: Chokstick on August 18, 2008, 01:52:39 AM
Mute point.  People aren't allowed to carry firearms in Canada.

I see what most of you are saying.  Protection in the event the unspeakable happens.  Fair enough.  But some of you talk as if it will be easy when the time comes to make that decision.  Gotta say, if you truly are in a life or death situation, its nothing like practicing at the shooting range or lining up that deer.  You're adrenaline is pumping and you're not thinking anymore.  I'm not trying to put anyone down here, but its a fact proven by numerous studies of police, military, fire, anyone who is encountered with high stress situations.

And I'm with Frankie, don't believe in carry firearms...even if it were allowed.
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: shiznizbiz on August 18, 2008, 02:17:31 AM
Id rathr have it and not need it than need it and not have it.  I keep it tucked away next to my bed. I generally only carry it at night.  Good judgment and a little bit of situational awareness can keep you out of situations where you would have to use a weapon. 
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: frankieG on August 18, 2008, 05:43:28 AM
that makes perfect sense to me
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: bettingpython on August 18, 2008, 11:37:17 AM
In 12 years I have never needed it, close one time but hey you throw enough drunks out of bars for a living and someones bound to hold a grudge. But if things go bump in the night I like being prepared. Not all people are sane and peopel going about their business in "safe" places have been attacked and killed. Just recently 2 teenagers in a fairly nice suburb of Tulsa walked to a convenience store and were found dead a couple of days later. The killer had no idea who they were, they were just there.
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: bombadillo on August 18, 2008, 02:42:42 PM
Got this one yesterday!! http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=112948&highlight=russian+sks  I don't think you have to be a member to view the photos of that site.  Its a pretty nice rifle for what it is.
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on August 18, 2008, 09:00:39 PM
i still want an ar50 , yes VERY impractical, and with my body problems, prolly not feasible wither  :mad: :oops: :icon_rolleyes: :laugh:
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: spc on August 18, 2008, 09:03:38 PM
That's a pretty nice looking ol SKS.  I had a buddy with one and when we discovered it had a nasty tendency of firing fully automatic he immediately went out and bought a couple 30rd mags..  That thing was a freaking blast.
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on August 18, 2008, 11:06:18 PM
IIRC the full auto ones can be a tad illegal, unless yall know of a loophole?
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: shiznizbiz on August 19, 2008, 12:14:22 AM
class 3 weapons license.  MUAHAHAHA HA HA HAHAHAHA  WIsh i had one.  Then i could carry a mp5k.  Woot Woot!!  prolly not realistically though.
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: bettingpython on August 19, 2008, 03:58:58 AM
As long as it was made prior too may of 1986 it's easily qualifiable for a NFA registry as a full auto, otherwise it can only be possesed by law enforcement or military, but California's not gonna allow you to have it. I've got my trust formed so I don't have to screw with local chief law enforcment officers who wont sign form 4's. Working on a little project gonna build an AR15 with 10.5" Barrel and then do a detachable silencer.

On the pre86 thing I forgot one thing, you may have have post 86 dealer samples provided you have an ffl and I believe a class 3 federal SOT permit and the dealer samples are approved of by a law neforcement agency. Not really interested in getting into federal special occupational tax permits though since I do not wish to open a firearms dealership.
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: frankieG on August 19, 2008, 05:46:58 AM
this may surprise many of you but i always wanted a "tommy gun"  the old ww2 mg.  either working or a replica.  i just thought there were kewl.  i have never held, fired or seen one close up.
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: bettingpython on August 19, 2008, 05:59:00 AM
Thompsons are awesome :thumb: You can buy the semi auto versions still very easily, pre86 samples which qualify for NFA tranfer to civillians are extremely pricey though.
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: spc on August 19, 2008, 07:05:16 AM
Those are awesome, I woudn't mind getting a Decomm'd one just to look pretty. (If it worked, i would have to fire it)  This is a replica, but a damn nice one:
http://www.impactguns.com/store/T1SB.html
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: bettingpython on August 19, 2008, 07:35:19 AM
yep and shooting a thompson ain't cheap either, freckin .45 iisn't chaep ammo and that is the cheap stuff. Gonna start reloading soon.
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: bombadillo on August 19, 2008, 08:25:15 AM
.45acp is now up to 25 per box at a big 5 store.  I can get it for around 13-14 per box on ammoman.com.   Its skyrocketed in the last 3 years.  I used to buy it at longs drugs for 7.99 per box for the cheap stuff now its 21 there.
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: bettingpython on August 19, 2008, 08:29:46 AM
Quote from: bombadillo on August 19, 2008, 08:25:15 AM
.45acp is now up to 25 per box at a big 5 store.  I can get it for around 13-14 per box on ammoman.com.   Its skyrocketed in the last 3 years.  I used to buy it at longs drugs for 7.99 per box for the cheap stuff now its 21 there.

ouch gotta love Kalifornia, I pay 30 for a bulk package of 100 rounds of CCI ball at outdoor world here, at the range it's 17.50 a box of 50 rounds.
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: shiznizbiz on August 20, 2008, 12:14:58 AM
I got my hands on a h&k UMP last month.  That thing was a freakign beast.  God its almost orgasmic at full tilt. 
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on August 20, 2008, 12:15:01 AM
Quote from: frankieG on August 19, 2008, 05:46:58 AM
this may surprise many of you but i always wanted a "tommy gun"  the old ww2 mg.  either working or a replica.  i just thought there were kewl.  i have never held, fired or seen one close up.
they are fun   :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: bombadillo on August 23, 2008, 09:38:41 PM
by the way, here is the new rifle.  (http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l122/bombadillo08/img1219095739671.jpg)

(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l122/bombadillo08/img1219095737354.jpg)

(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l122/bombadillo08/img1219095731911.jpg)

Going to shoot it on monday sometime.  Have a thousand rounds to burn through.

(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l122/bombadillo08/family_circus_repost.jpg)

couldn't resist
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: spc on August 23, 2008, 10:35:14 PM
That's a nice looking SKS for sure, someone kept it up pretty well.  In my experience they are a pretty good all around rifle and decently accurate for the era.

That 7.62 will go straight through an armadillo too.  Down in GA we had rabid ones that would charge you,  000 buckshot would barely phase em so you had to be a little more creative.
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: b_long_1 on August 23, 2008, 10:49:32 PM
Anyone try the russian m-44? I have one . They are cheap as hell and fire the 7.62x54. This round is a lot of fun , loud as hell and a big flame comes out of the barrel.
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: bombadillo on August 24, 2008, 09:21:25 AM
yeah, classicarms.us has them for a mosin nagant m44, 91/30 and others I think the m38 which is between the two, and they're really cheap.  7.62x54 is just a little larger than a .308 and hurts like a mother to shoot all day.  You can get ammo dirt cheap, and they're fun as all get out.  A really clean example from them is about $139 for the whole thing.  I am getting my C&R license just to buy from these guys so I don't have to have an extra 80 bucks in fees and taxes for living in california.
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: frankieG on August 24, 2008, 09:39:38 AM
there is nothing better than firing thousands of rounds in a few minutes and tens of thousands in a hour.   doing this day and night until you are damn tired of it and know that your weapon is going to be a Buddha Loves You to clean once you get a chance.  a dirty weapon tends to misfire or do a cook off.   also you can play with some little toys like the carl g anti tank weapon,  tow under armour,  sea wizz,  auto 12 gauge(omg that hurts).  in a day a single man can spend tens of thousands of dollars in ammo with not a care as to the cost :)  of course you have to be one of the few that get accepted,  successfully complete training and don't run crying home to mommy.  most can't  but a few can.  my udt course started out with 38 and graduated 6.....pussies :)
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: bombadillo on August 24, 2008, 02:50:48 PM
whats udt??  I'm not military, so I never know half of the acronyms.
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: bettingpython on August 24, 2008, 03:52:02 PM
Underwater demolition training.

I thought UDT came after BUDS?

Of course most BUDS grads can't pass the army army combat swimmer school.

SEALS may be badass but when you really want the job done right you send in the U.S. Army special operations.
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: Kasumi on August 24, 2008, 04:05:47 PM
Quote from: bettingpython on August 24, 2008, 03:52:02 PM
Underwater demolition training.

I thought UDT came after BUDS?

Of course most BUDS grads can't pass the army army combat swimmer school.

SEALS may be badass but when you really want the job done right you send in the U.S. Army special operations.

or the SAS :)
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: shiznizbiz on August 24, 2008, 08:47:03 PM
Or a U.S.A.F. Combat controller.  lmao :cheers: prolly the most extensively trained bunch in the Spec ops field.  EAch Special operations force has thier specialty.  But id say the combat conrtolers are a jack of all trades in that world. and they can coordinate a symphany of air strikes all by thier lonesome. Hell its almost 3 years course time to complete all of thier training. 
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on August 24, 2008, 08:52:18 PM
they are ALL    KICKASS, and all deserve all the respect tehy get. hell in cornwall ontario, a few years back, i almost got into a bar fight with an SAS guy. Man it cost me alot of alcohol to admit i was wrong  :oops:. dude SERIOUSLY could have kicked my ass or worse :nono:
Title: Re: getting a carry gun
Post by: frankieG on August 25, 2008, 09:53:40 AM
yaa bite me pongo  :laugh:  when they wanted Noriega out they did not call the army they called us :)  actually my experience is the army is alway behind us  :2guns: :2guns: :2guns: