Today I got one SWEET AR
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Mmmm... Guns :icon_mrgreen:
guns? GUNS? I'm offended.
that's tight. Varmints and hippies beware!
AWESOME
Details on the parts, which lower, Assuming 5.56/.223, which handguard is that, upper assembly? Details man details!!!
Quote from: bombadillo on September 12, 2008, 05:58:13 PM
Details on the parts, which lower, Assuming 5.56/.223, which handguard is that, upper assembly? Details man details!!!
ya details! who made it?
looks like fun. :thumb:
These things were selling faster than food and water when hurricane Hannah was on course with Louisiana. That and AK's.
Gotta love'em guns.
now wadaya need that for?
I dont know too much about it yet, I know when i took it into the gun shop to get the collapsing back stock the guy behind the counters chin about went though the counter... He said its very unique he has never seen a receiver like it. . Its a Bushmaster has collapsible stock, and a Leupold scope. Thats about what I know until my friend I bought it from gets back and tells me more about it :icon_mrgreen:
I can tell you as of thismorning... its dead on accurate at 200 yards
What did I need it for ??? I love target shooting, I dont hunt at all. Also I was an SP in the USAF and havent had one of these to lug around for about 10 years :icon_mrgreen:
the collapsible stock was initially made for armored troops so that the weapon could be easily stored in the vehicles. it has become a favorite for close quarter, boarding party and some paratroops. it is a useless piece of kit in the civilian world but very helpful for military and police.
Im shocked u can legally own something like that ..
Quote from: Jay_wolf on September 13, 2008, 09:12:54 AM
Im shocked u can legally own something like that ..
its America and the constitution...the right to bare arms or arm bears who knows
Quote from: Jay_wolf on September 13, 2008, 09:12:54 AM
Im shocked u can legally own something like that ..
God Bless America :icon_mrgreen:
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Quote from: frankieG on September 13, 2008, 06:46:37 AM
the collapsible stock was initially made for armored troops so that the weapon could be easily stored in the vehicles. it has become a favorite for close quarter, boarding party and some paratroops. it is a useless piece of kit in the civilian world but very helpful for military and police.
It comes in VERY handy forshooting.Its adjustable so I can get a good line on the scope and still be tight on my shoulder... I LOVE IT :icon_mrgreen:
Nice. Waiting on my first NFA application to come back. Going to do a 10.5" short barrel AR, then I think I'll go ahead and do paper and get a supressor.
The black gun has lotsa applications in civilian life, defending ones self from zombie hordes comes to mind.
I'd like to buy a fully transferable mp5 but that's big bucks getting a pre 86 full auto runs about 15k.
thanks to all the gun control libs :mad:
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why do you want one? anyhow to mod one from semi to full auto is easy and only takes some basic tools.
Quote from: bettingpython on September 13, 2008, 11:08:13 AM
Nice. Waiting on my first NFA application to come back. Going to do a 10.5" short barrel AR, then I think I'll go ahead and do paper and get a supressor.
If you have the suppressor permanently attached you should only have to do paperwork once as it becomes a part of the barrel and it's length is included in barrel length. At least that's the way a buddy of mine that worked with ATF described it.
I like the one on the left in the top picture. That looks ace :icon_twisted:
Quote from: spc on September 13, 2008, 12:42:19 PM
Quote from: bettingpython on September 13, 2008, 11:08:13 AM
Nice. Waiting on my first NFA application to come back. Going to do a 10.5" short barrel AR, then I think I'll go ahead and do paper and get a supressor.
If you have the suppressor permanently attached you should only have to do paperwork once as it becomes a part of the barrel and it's length is included in barrel length. At least that's the way a buddy of mine that worked with ATF described it.
Not doing a permanantly attached can, if the combined length of the can and barral equals 16" or greater and it is permately attached than yes you only need one NFA stamp for the can. But I want a 10.5" short barrel rifle for gaming with. Some of the gun ranges here have shoot houses and do tactical rifle competition.
And I answered your question once frankie it's for defense against zombie hordes.
Full auto has some very specific requirements and on of those is that no auto weapon made post 1986 is eligible for transfer unless it is a dealer sample for dealer ownership only or it is to a law enforcement agency. I don't wish to be a FFL dealer, although it would be advantages since it would allow me to purchase post ban dealer samples which don't cost much more than the Semi-auto versions, and pre ban dealer samples may be retained and become fully transferable wepons if you have them in your posession if you give up your dealers license.
Conversion a wepon to full auto status is a federal felony, I have no desire to be on the wrong side of the table or to ever have my name and federal prosecutor mentioned in the same sentance.
Quote from: bettingpython on September 13, 2008, 11:08:13 AM
The black gun has lotsa applications in civilian life, defending ones self from zombie hordes comes to mind.
Haven't you read World War Z? You have to destroy the brain! Just get a short shovel and make yourself a 'lobo!
Making if fully auto is against the law , no?
To me it looks like an m16-a4 with colapsable butt stock and nice optics. The Barrel looks to be a bit heavier and possibly better match grade than stock m16-a4 barrel. The R.I.S. on the upper gave it away for me. But id like to know the brand, its obviously a civilian version of the m16-a4.
DAMN ZOMBIES!!!! oh doing wheelies and speeding is against the law too. man i forgot about zombies...i am going to arm myself now.
ill post some pics of my AK47 when i get off of my second job tonight
Quote from: frankieG on September 14, 2008, 03:50:56 AM
DAMN ZOMBIES!!!! oh doing wheelies and speeding is against the law too. man i forgot about zombies...i am going to arm myself now.
No wheelie or speeding ticket has ever resulted in my name and federal prosecutor being mentioned at the same time, besides that's what track days are for. :thumb:
I keep expecting mike to come in here and bust me for the I'm a little angel and only act the hooligan at trackdays comment 8)
meh, me i will get my weapon from the battle field when i need one
Most casualties in the next big war will be inflicted by using nuclear or biological weapons. So conventional arms will play very little role in your survival (unless you are a soldier in a military combat of course). Having more than a pistol for self/family defense in personal possession is beyond me.
Nobody's life is mine to take (mosquitoes excluded). But maybe I am just a minority here.
Quote from: reminor on September 15, 2008, 01:45:14 PM
Nobody's life is mine to take (mosquitoes excluded). But maybe I am just a minority here.
If someone attacks me or a member of my family or my friend, their life is mine to take. They forfeit their rights when they behave like barbarians, including their right to live.
Quote from: pkhoff on September 15, 2008, 02:04:00 PM
Quote from: reminor on September 15, 2008, 01:45:14 PM
If someone attacks me or a member of my family or my friend, their life is mine to take. They forfeit their rights when they behave like barbarians, including their right to live.
+10 :thumb:
The Castle Doctrine was passed here in Ohio last week. :thumb:
Quote from: pkhoff on September 15, 2008, 02:04:00 PM
Quote from: reminor on September 15, 2008, 01:45:14 PM
Nobody's life is mine to take (mosquitoes excluded). But maybe I am just a minority here.
If someone attacks me or a member of my family or my friend, their life is mine to take. They forfeit their rights when they behave like barbarians, including their right to live.
And you need a machine gun for that? Whew!.. Automatic machine weapons are called "assault weapons" for a reason. Have you seen a movie "Felon"? There is very limited legalhe guygrounds for self defense as it turns out. If you cross that boundary it is going to get ugly. Great movie to watch on the sudject. And the guy had a baseball bat not an automatic assault riffle to "defend his family"...
You might need to research states statistics related to CCW holders use of lethal force in states that have shall issue policies and states with castle doctrine and make my stand laws. The instance you highlight in the movie "Felon" represents less than 1% of actual lethal force incidents. Over 98% of all uses of lethal force never go beyond the DA's investigation and charges are not filed thus it never appears as a court case. Get out of the NE and tour the country a little bit if your not to terrified of red states and people like me walking amongst the masses with a gun you'll never know about until it comes time to defend myself, which could coincedntally stop someone on a rampage from killing unchecked.
I love holllywoods fictional attempts to convince us defending our selves is wrong :thumb:
Of course it's a movie so I am gonna belive everything about it.
Courts and police departments recognize and have acknowledged that they can not defend an individual from harm no matter how proactive they are, in cases of violent assault they can only respond after the fact and investigate. But hey your family can take comfort that you died for an ideal.
Needless to say I would much rather take my chances with a jury of 12 if it ever gets to that point rather than be carried by 6.
One of our shooting forum members is a pistol and hand to hand comnbat instructor, police officer and Juris Doctorate with my cities PD. You'd be amazed at the number of self defense cases which never come to public light because it isn't news worthy for an anti gun biased media to highlight the success of individuals ability to defend themselves.
"The Criminal Paradigm
Wednesday, 07 July 2004
By Michael Brown
Let's look at who your opponent(s) is:
Criminals in modern society who will victimize individuals as opposed to simply taking their property fall into a suprisingly narrow paradigm. This does not include personalities like serial killers or the mentally/emotionally disturbed.
Male.
Young, usually late teens to late twenties.
Raised in and accustomed to violent culture.
Unaware of, or undisturbed by, consequences.
Usually armed in some fashion.
Works and travels in groups regularly.
Physically at his peak.
Personally experienced in criminal behavior.
Predatory by nature.
Relishes personal conflict and conquest.
A pretty disturbing picture if you ask me.
Let's look at ourselves as their opponent.
1) Probably male with some exceptions.
Older or middle-aged.
Raised in responsible culture.
Very aware of and deterred by consequences.
Possibly armed.
Usually travel with family who are dependants not allies in a struggle.
Past our physical peak at best. In horrible condition at worst.
Likely very little personal experience with criminal behavior.
Affable and helpful by nature and choice.
Dislikes and avoids personal conflict.
With that in mind, how do we stand a chance?
By training harder than they do. Are you really? If you aren't how do you expect to prevail?
"Train more than you sleep." Mas Oyama
As a police officer, I live for the days when I can be the one to stand between you and violent crime. Its why I took this job.
As a realist, I can tell you that I won't be there and the only one who will be there for you is YOU. You are the only one responsible for your own safety. Nothing will feel worse than you or your family being victimized and you not being able to do anything about it because you didn't prepare effectively.
Are you really preparing for it?
Don't wait. Make a concious decision to start right now.
Michael Brown"
A friend forwarded me this video today. Thought some of you might enjoy. Seems like an enjoyable reunion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYzH9BBiinM
Quote from: b_long_1 on September 15, 2008, 02:58:53 PM
The Castle Doctrine was passed here in Ohio last week. :thumb:
bout time! :thumb: :2guns:
Quote from: bettingpython on September 15, 2008, 06:10:41 PM
You might need to research states statistics related to CCW holders use of lethal force in states that have shall issue policies .....<skipped>...
Don't wait. Make a concious decision to start right now.
Michael Brown"
All good points. I am not arguing, and I was not. If you re-read my initial reply what I indirectly said is I understand having a pistol to protect yourself/family. I do not understand having a machine gun as a "tool of choice". That's it.
And I am all for self-defence. But unless you are dealing with criminals/"situations" every day (being on the force and such) an average Joe living in a good neighborhood and having an established daily routine (job->kids pickup->shopping->home) has statistically not a huge chance to be violently victimized. So to me it does not make sense to live in a stress of "being prepared" every second of my life. It leads to paranoidal conditions in humans, i.e. waiting for something bad to happen, suspitios to every passer-by and otherwise being stiff as a board.
And if a "bad guy day" happens outside of your house, i.e. not within the reach of your firearms safe, you are as bare handed as any of us.
All IMHO, so please no flames. We all are free to choose our way of thinking and way of living. I respect everybody's.
PS And the movie I mentioned has an example of a mis-judgement and over-reaction with unintended consequencies. So one's sarcasm would be better used somewhere else.
Nope not out of range a firearm, thats the beauty of CCW permits. Every state I travel in Honors my states permit as well.
Machine guns are play toy's. But if it was the only thing in reach well it might just be what gets used, items like that are safe queens, I have thought about doing a NFA permit for a short barrel shotgun, a little 12" pump action persuader would be just the ticket.
Quote from: theUBS on September 15, 2008, 09:50:51 PM
A friend forwarded me this video today. Thought some of you might enjoy. Seems like an enjoyable reunion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYzH9BBiinM
just to let you know that is not in Alabama that is out side of Roanoke VA i go their twice a year i recognize the place and about half the people and all the guns. i have shot the 50 on the cart and the duel M60
Pistols are nice, but you have to shoot a lot to be any good with one- if home defense is what one wants a gun for, a shotgun is what one should be buying. point and shoot. Besides, the sound of a shotgun getting racked on the other side of a door in the international sound of f%$k-off.
If you don't wipe that grin off your face, I will gouge out your eyeballs and skullfuck you!!
Sorry.....couldn't help it.
Quote from: spc on September 16, 2008, 08:02:55 AM
If you don't wipe that grin off your face, I will gouge out your eyeballs and skullf%$k you!!
Sorry.....couldn't help it.
LOL
Yes I do shoot alot, junkies have crack habits, I have an ammo habit. I gotta drop some bucks and start reloading. Even buying bulk ammo by the 100 round baggie, that's right I buy my ammo by the baggie, hey man got any 230gr FMJ? :icon_lol: it still costs .30 a shot for .45acp
that video is idiotic, the firing positions are horrible and they are going to warp the barrels of those weapons firing like that. oh and who is going to clean them not me :) just a bunch of red neck wannabees that did not have the guts to join or the balls to not wash out.
Quote from: spc on September 16, 2008, 08:02:55 AM
If you don't wipe that grin off your face, I will gouge out your eyeballs and skullf%$k you!!
Sorry.....couldn't help it.
AAaaaaaaaagh! That's a warface!
Quote from: frankieG on September 16, 2008, 08:50:02 AM
that video is idiotic, the firing positions are horrible and they are going to warp the barrels of those weapons firing like that. oh and who is going to clean them not me :) just a bunch of red neck wannabees that did not have the guts to join or the balls to not wash out.
M60s have about a 1k round cycle rate before you have to let the cool. they are a military gun they are built to be better then civilian wepons
and most of the guys are X military. and some nice guys
yaaa sure