I crashed a couple of weeks ago, a bad highside but fortunately nothing broken.
Now I'm quite well and I took the bike in the garage, and now some shots:
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Actually, the frame seems ok, but looking from behind the structure under the seat appears a little twisted(the bike rolled aside me).
The fairing are broken and I surely have to replace them, but I need some suggestion about the steps to take before doing the works on the bike.
The major issues are:
- Fork to be replaced
- Check rims and tyres
- Handlebar to be replaced, with both levers and mirrors (better brake oil pump too?) and also at least left electric block.
- Re-weld the left footpeg support who's been torn apart the frame.
- Check for the rear part and if it's twisted I don't know what I have to do.
Then minor problems like tacho and rpm gauges a little deformed, sscratches on the silencer, blinkers and a scratch on the crankcase that seems nothing more than this.
I have an idea about the work. Beside inform myself to the local police dept. about the law regulations, I'd like to know if anybody already did a chop on the bike to make it a solo seat with short tail.
I'd like to cut the frame under the seat, the seat itself and adjust it to good appearence, than mount a (maybe a little better) rear lamp set and plate holder, then make myself or order to some specialist a fiberglass fairing with a custom design.
Any advice is REALLY well accepted.
Oh f%$k! :o
Sorry 'bout that...Glad you're still in one piece!
Well,
yes, your forks are pretty much toast I'm afraid.
As for your rear subframe, I'd say, take the rear tail plastics off and you'll have a better sight of it. it doesn't look too bad or bent to me, maybe it's just the rear plastic mudguard that got a bit twisted in the process. (and the pics are a bit dark for me to see :oops:) Were that the case, yes, that'd be a good reason to chop it off and put a metal plateholder on, there's plenty on the Bay. ;)
Then yes, you'll need new rear blinkers...
Footpegs: you could go the whole way and put aftermarket ones while you're there, instead of welding OEM's back. ;) Not worth the effort IMHO.
Don't bother too much about cosmetic damage (scratches etc.) ;)
Anyway, talking of your project about cutting the rear frame if twisted, I'll save you a visit to the local metro police office.
Your bike will NOT be street legal anymore if you cut the frame, even a small part of it.
All Ducati Monsters with a trimmed tail that you see on the roads are not legal for this reason, 'cause they've a cut tail frame; go figure, official Ducati dealers don't take them back. :dunno_white:
No street legal = no MOT, and no insurance in case of accident. Watch out. :thumb:
For further help or information, MP (in native language if you prefer).
Might also be worth a try to post on motoclub-tingavert.it, I know you're a member there, too. O0
BTW, was the crash your fault? Any holes on the road? Other vehicles involved?
Good luck! :cheers:
dont re weld that peg bracket, I've got a set of them off an 89 that you could paint to match, or just swap both on, not sure what I want for em yet, if your subframe is jacked, I"Ve got a complete one of those too.
if you were state side i would cut you a good deal on my old GS front end that sucks man i would DEF get the frame checked before spending money on repairs
If you're going to replace the front end anyways, why not upgrade?
also a good point i just did a kat front end and i LOVE it
Thanks folks for the suggestions :cheers:
I didn't read all, I've got to bring back my ass at my workplace, but I saw something about upgrades and so, segguest me something, I've never been attracted by custom wors due to legal problems (at least with insurance) but now, I've got to talk with locals about some possibilities, so why not try a little more? I have no idea about the upgrades, so please inform me...keep in mind I have a little money to spend on the bike, so nothing about 1000$ forks....
The frame..how can I check it? It seems ok, the steering zone is really stiff and with many enforcements, it turns freely, and there are no cracks on the paint, I suppose it's good but I'm not sure, I agree to check it befora do anything would be a good idea.
i got my kat front end swap done for about 280 but now i have a GS front end to sell so im guessing i will have right at 200 in the swap after parts are sold
Quote from: simon79 on September 22, 2008, 11:56:25 AM
Oh f%$k! :o
Sorry 'bout that...Glad you're still in one piece!
Well,
yes, your forks are pretty much toast I'm afraid.
As for your rear subframe, I'd say, take the rear tail plastics off and you'll have a better sight of it. it doesn't look too bad or bent to me, maybe it's just the rear plastic mudguard that got a bit twisted in the process. (and the pics are a bit dark for me to see :oops:) Were that the case, yes, that'd be a good reason to chop it off and put a metal plateholder on, there's plenty on the Bay. ;)
Then yes, you'll need new rear blinkers...
Footpegs: you could go the whole way and put aftermarket ones while you're there, instead of welding OEM's back. ;) Not worth the effort IMHO.
Don't bother too much about cosmetic damage (scratches etc.) ;)
Anyway, talking of your project about cutting the rear frame if twisted, I'll save you a visit to the local metro police office.
Your bike will NOT be street legal anymore if you cut the frame, even a small part of it.
All Ducati Monsters with a trimmed tail that you see on the roads are not legal for this reason, 'cause they've a cut tail frame; go figure, official Ducati dealers don't take them back. :dunno_white:
No street legal = no MOT, and no insurance in case of accident. Watch out. :thumb:
For further help or information, MP (in native language if you prefer).
Might also be worth a try to post on motoclub-tingavert.it, I know you're a member there, too. O0
BTW, was the crash your fault? Any holes on the road? Other vehicles involved?
Good luck! :cheers:
Well, the fact was, I was riding not too fast, about 100 (km/h) or so, and I arrived in a little town, and there were some men at work signals, 'cause in the channel aside the way is being piped. I closed off the throttle and decelerate, when I saw an old rusty Renault R4 stopped in right lane. I breaked, but when I was about 20 or 30 meters from it, the driver think about starting, turning left and without setting on the blinker. I was in the attempt to overtake him cause it was stopped, with nobody around, since 5 second or some. Unfortunately the road goes into a left-right "chicane" and when he started to move I was with both tires on the recently painted yellow stripe in the middle of the road. Both front and left shaked, I controlled the front but the rear locked and shaked much more giving no possibility to drive in a direction to avoid the impact. Fortunately I hit the car (made of a relly poor steel) behind the front left and not in the door, so I flied away over the bonnet and then a tenth ov meters away landing on the back.
Actually, we I don't know if I can obtain a blame sharing, the driver was a stupid but the yellow stripe was continuous (but splitted where I hit him) and as usually in Italy the speed limit was 30 also if nothing was at less than a couple of meters from the street.
I'm a little sad but, I'm ok, so the money get back but the health does not.
Quote from: Mdow on September 23, 2008, 10:01:19 AM
i got my kat front end swap done for about 280 but now i have a GS front end to sell so im guessing i will have right at 200 in the swap after parts are sold
What do you mean with "kat" front end? According to Simon79, I think I will not fit non-original parts...I want to avoid any problem with the law.
The Kat front end is the Katana 600/750 stuff, which legally isnt an issue so long as the parts you obtain are not stolen. Its a simple fork, wheel, and triple tree swap to give you better front suspension, and brakes ( being you'd get two rotors instead of one) legally I cant see it being an issue, but I'd contact my police/insurance agency locally and confirm first with them.
ah, ok, "simple" :D
And a mod like that how much money sucks?
I'm ITA, not USA, so the legals are different. Unfortunately here normally you cannot touch a single bolt on the bike/car.....
A little update....I've not solved the trouble yet, cause I'm thinking about selling the bike at some price like 500€ or so....and buy another one, maybe 2009 Hyosung Comet GT650, it depends of how much I can obtain from mine and how much discount the dealer can accord for the new one.
But before all, it's about a month the bike is parked and yesterday I went to pull it on to keep the machanics running and oiled.
Problem: doesen't start.
The engine runs (in 6th gear I'm able to make it rev a little and hear compression noise and force), the lamps are well going, the blinkers too, but as soon as I push the start engine button, a relais on the right clacks heavily as long as I keep pushing, the light all turn off (normally the steady light remains on) and the electric starter does not seem to run at all.
The relais is the Omron G8MS-S23 12V.
It clacks once and heavily also when I turn on the key.
Don't know if the problem is the relais itself or not. Fuses are good. Battery appears to be, I tried also with another linked with cords.
If I finally have to sell my loved bike, surely I have to make it perfectly working at mechanical side, at least....
What about that relais?
Chances are very good your battery has discharged too much to start the bike. Even if it can power all the lights, it still may not have enough power to start the bike. If the bike rolls, try push starting it. You could also try jump starting it with car, although that's probably not the greatest idea. In the long run, you'd want to get a battery tender to keep the battery topped off if you planned on letting it sit for that long.
Quote from: fred on December 17, 2008, 12:11:38 PM
Chances are very good your battery has discharged too much to start the bike. Even if it can power all the lights, it still may not have enough power to start the bike. If the bike rolls, try push starting it. You could also try jump starting it with car, although that's probably not the greatest idea. In the long run, you'd want to get a battery tender to keep the battery topped off if you planned on letting it sit for that long.
Thanks gor the answer.
I cannot push or drive it pulled because the front is bent, I don't want to crash anymore :D
The battery...I already tried to take power from the scooter battery (quite similar) but without result.
What about the relais? It has an abnormal behavior, can be due to the low battery?
I don't know what it is implied with.
A little effort please, anybody knows about that relais? I'g going to buy a new one, i'd like not to trow away my bucks ;)
thanks.
I agree with the previous suggestion that your battery is probably dead. If the battery is dead, the relay will click (which you are hearing). I'm not sure that a scooter battery would have sufficient power to start a full-sized motorcycle. Does the scooter battery have any specifications printed on the side?
You best bet is to try a boost from a car. A search will turn up several threads on the topic.
I would not suspect the relays because they are robust and do not usually die from sitting for a month.
Quote from: beRto on December 19, 2008, 09:51:01 AM
I agree with the previous suggestion that your battery is probably dead. If the battery is dead, the relay will click (which you are hearing). I'm not sure that a scooter battery would have sufficient power to start a full-sized motorcycle. Does the scooter battery have any specifications printed on the side?
You best bet is to try a boost from a car. A search will turn up several threads on the topic.
I would not suspect the relays because they are robust and do not usually die from sitting for a month.
ok, I gonna try to bring the bike near the car and power it with car battery.
Really sorry to hear about the crash, at least you survived OK.
With luck you should be able to start the engine with a jump start from a car battery. The clicking sound your describe is exactly what I had when I managed to flatten my battery by unintentionally leaving the parking light on. But if you have access to (can borrow) a proper motorbike battery charger/tender then I would use that to recharge the battery fully rather than jump start it from a car battery.
From the pictures it looks like the forks and handlebars took most of the impact so the engine should still be OK even if it now has some battle scars.
I think you really need to carefully examine the bike and write down a full list of all the things which must be replaced to get the bike running again. I suspect the bike is not worth fixing if you have to pay full price for bits from a Suzuki dealer. But there are heaps of GS500 bits for sale for much lower prices on Ebay sites aroung Europe - the best being the UK and German ones as the GS500 is a big seller in both countries - and many sellers are happy to send smaller stuff by post across Europe as long as you pay upfront by PayPal. If nothing else, that should give you an idea of how much it would cost to fix provided the major bits like the frame are not bent. (Currently the German site has mirrors, levers and at least one full fork set for sale.)
However if the cost of buying all the bits is more than half the cost of buying a second hand bike of similar age then you may be better off selling the engine and any other serviceable bits on ebay. Then use the cash raised to buy another bike and replacement helmet/biking clothes.
Hope you can get the GS fixed and back out on the Italian roads soon - I've driven through Piacenza on my GS500F many times visiting Venice and the Italian lakes and touring the Alpine passes, whatever happens get back on a bike soon you won't regret it.
Let us know how you get on.