The 2 party system gotta go ... This is why ...
On serious Issues ...
The 2 Idiots are the same and both are wrong ... (bailout, Illegal Immigration etc etc)
OR ...
The 2 Idiots are polar opposites and remarkably ... they both are still wrong ... I cannot wrap my head around that one (economy, war)
The short 2 line example is -
Tax breaks over 250K will not create jobs. It could encourage overseas trade ...
Redistributing wealth will not create jobs. It could encourage ???
On the fluff, they are both polar opposites and still wrong.
Seriously I'd not let illegals out of the country ... till they pay their full dues ... like they cant own a house on which they owe money and run ... I will also not hand them a citizenship ... they stay illegally, work for the wages they are making else they get tossed in jail ... I also wont reward anchor babies with a citizenship. They have a baby here they are handed a bill for hospital costs. Now the Obama "health care for everyone" ... total crap. Illegals can come in all they want ... they just cannot leave without covering all the costs they have made the govt incur.
Cool.
Buddha.
i agree. the 2 party system is seriously flawed.
What's hilarious is that we don't have a two party system (in the Constitution). Politicians have evolved it that way for their mutual benefit. Pretty much guarantees no substantive change, ever. Works for rich people pretty well, I must say.
I agree- at their core, there is very little difference and they are all wrong. My personal anger moment is all of these d!cks trying to pass themselves off as relateable to the common american. All these pricks are millionaires and haven't the foggiest idea what it is like to be a middle class blue-collar worker and they should STFU about what it's like- they don't know
+1 :thumb:
Quote from: bikejunkie223 on October 30, 2008, 03:34:41 PM
I agree- at their core, there is very little difference and they are all wrong. My personal anger moment is all of these d!cks trying to pass themselves off as relateable to the common american. All these pricks are millionaires and haven't the foggiest idea what it is like to be a middle class blue-collar worker and they should STFU about what it's like- they don't know
EXACTLY
A week or so ago, charles barkley (yes ex basketball player) said, I keep hearing about the middle class, and it makes me sick, I want to see what they can do for the poor.
Anyway, all the BS effectively does the opposite ... having affordable health care by curtaining insurance premiums etc effectively creates polar opposites, over priced crappy coverage, or high priced decent coverage ... I think that racket has to go ... you pay for things as you walk in or leave the office, and all prices are on a board or if you must, like in a menu ...
The next thing that has to go is college costs ... total racket. The aid programs, student loans, this and that only creates a monster of college fees. Throw that out the window. Again, menu ... and there has to be a firm eye toward the future, no studying crap like philosophy and paying 300K for it, no offence to philosophers here.
Cool.
Buddha.
Americans need to take responsibility for their own health. If you have a cold, stay at home instead of running to the doc and demanding antibiotics. Eat well and exercise, and you won't need to take Lipitor and go in every week for general malaise. Save the resources for when you're truly fooked up.
Stop over-disinfecting everything, and your kids won't have crippling allergies. :flipoff:
But ... but ... but ... I want my viagra ...
Cool.
Buddha.
Yea buddha is a ho#^eee old bastid.
Haven't you seen the commercials? If you take Viagra, you have to ride a cruiser and wear a half helmet.
Speaking if Viagra...what is the deal with all these pills to give you a weiner? I mean I know I'm still pretty young and all, but I could benifit from a pill that prevented me from getting a weiner if my boxers fall just the right way as I walk. I think most of these people on the Viagra and such would have better luck if their significant others went on a diet! (Not to pick on chicks- the guys likey are even fatter)
Yea, nice one triple ... I've said before ... he's got ED, have you seen his chick ... he dont need no viagra, he needs a better chick ... however that only prompts the uglies to buy more viagra ... so you can see now whay viagra is a huge seller.
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: Roadstergal on October 31, 2008, 11:12:33 AM
Haven't you seen the commercials? If you take Viagra, you have to ride a cruiser and wear a half helmet.
i almost fell out of my chair laughing so hard, that was great. :thumb:
we don't have a two party system at all. we just have two parties that are way ahead of the others. the only way to realistically change this is to go to a parliamentary system which is highly unlikely
or get rid of the party/parliamentary system altogether. and have each person as his own man/woman. more shaZam! would get done
nothing would get done and the cost of administration would skyrocket. the party system is the only way to effectively get things done.
Quote from: frankieG on November 02, 2008, 06:26:13 AM
nothing would get done and the cost of administration would skyrocket. the party system is the only way to effectively get things done.
maybe so, BUT the party system, has failed to do anyting for quite a while now. even though your on the opposite viewpoint frankie, you gotta see that one :thumb:
actually i see it working as designed. that the left nor right have ultimate control. every thing is a compromise, which is a democracy. in a pinch things can get handled very quickly. however the behemoth that is the federal government works slowly and needs to . if we kept making laws and changing things on the fly markets and the rest of the world would have no faith in our ability to govern. it must be done cautiously, with forethought, patience and debate.
I know the feeling is nothing gets done, but that's not true. Nothing ever changes. The federal and state governments do quite a lot int's just not really anything the everyday normal person notices or appreciates. That said I also feel Democrats typically try to do way too much with their stupid human resource projects. It's not the governments job to provide income to people that don't want to work or make choices in their lives that make them unemployable- it is the government's job to provide saftey and freedom to make all the choices yourself.
i don't think any program is designed to make the lazy work or anything of that nature. generally speaking it is to give the less advantaged a leg up which is one of the primary roles of responsible government. to me it is obvious that the "trickle down" theory is just nonsense. if it were true then top 10% would not hold 90% of the wealth. then again it is china that truly holds our wealth. federal and state governments have lived on credit for decades. so has the average American. eventually that note will come due, which is what we are seeing right now. we can not possibly pay off the trillion plus debt we have. successive governments over the years have mortgaged our future and that of our children. it was a very short sighted approach that was used to get in power or remain so. tax cuts and telling the public to spend is exactly the opposite is what is happening and what should happen. in a depression the federal government, normally, would go into debt until the financial situation turns around. however we are so far in debt already that turning the market around is useless. blame which ever party you feel but they are all in this. what i find amusing, in a bad way, is that republicans are supposed to be the fiscally responsible ones. however the debt under bush has gone to outrageous numbers. mostly because of 9/11 and his incompetent handling of a terrible situation. we now live in a police state that spends more money on security than any thing else. yet we are less secure than ever. i have hope in the American people and tomorrow, god willing, we will have a president elect that the likes of this country has never seen....Obama. even he will have a hell of a time sorting this mess out. if we get McCain then we get more of the bush doctrine and a pole dancer as a VP. then again after Darth Vader(Cheney) how bad can that be. i have been doing allot of reading and research. i am trying to figure out how we can get out of this mess. one thing i am pretty sure of and that is it will take decades to do. we are in for some massive cuts in services. i would not raise taxes, i think that is the wrong approach. but cutting them would be even worse. but government spending will be needed in order to drive the economy back into the black. so increasing the deficit is something that is going to happen. i probably spend 4-6 hours a day going over my macro economic books, papers and talking to professors in America, Canada, Britain and Australia. it is sort of a net of macro economic nerds lol.
I just read an interview with an economics prof from MIT and he had an interesting idea- instead of "bailing out" banks, the government should buy stock in the top 5000 companies, but not have control - clearly nobody needs the Feds micro-managing companies. This would put money back into the economy to get people working again. All the skilled labor, and infastructure (factorys, equipment) are still here, the companies just need to turn in back on and give people jobs, and if more people are working more people spend and so it goes- he basically put it as a type of social security for the young. I know I oversimplified it but it was a pretty compelling idea the way it read. His point was that during the last depression stocks bought at $1 a share sold for over $6 a share after 20 years- and it just makes sense that if someone is going to buy up American companies on the cheap becasue the economy is in the pooper it should be our own government doing it and not China because they have a few extra billion laying around in hefty bags.