I did a bunch of practice panic stops today. I started at about 10mph and worked my way up to 35 mph. I locked the rear tire several times. It was fun sliding it around. I was surprised how much more I could use the front brake. I was shocked how long it took to stop.
Anyway, I had a lot of fun and just felt like saying that.
ive done a bunch of 2-1 panic stops. it has helped me out trremendously
2-1?
Also, I googled "2 - 1 panic stops", and though I didn't find out what 2 - 1 is, I found this and thought it was a good read. It restates in a slightly different way, a lot of good techniques that were also covered in the MSF and in Proficient Motorcycling by Hough.
http://www.avid-motorcyclist.com/archives.html (http://www.avid-motorcyclist.com/archives.html)
and again I say:
2-1?
start maneuver in 2nd gear ( th 2, in 2-1) anyhoo in 2nc accelerate to around 20-30 ish, then hit BOTh brakes while downshifting to 1. 2-1, and braking on teh threshhold of locking up but not quite. you stop QUICKLY :thumb:
I practice occasionally from 80MPH on clean pavement. DON'T practice multiple times in a row from that speed though, you'll end up with a warped rotor. Ask me how I know. :technical:
Quote from: GeeP on January 20, 2009, 12:20:45 AM
I practice occasionally from 80MPH on clean pavement. DON'T practice multiple times in a row from that speed though, you'll end up with a warped rotor. Ask me how I know. :technical:
i always wondered how much the rotor could take. mine gets noisy (heat/pad swell) from a 65mph panic test. usually, the lower speed stuff is what i'll do. safer, easier, and steer/brake stuff means i hopefully won't flip it. :)
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on January 19, 2009, 09:24:35 PM
ive done a bunch of 2-1 panic stops. it has helped me out trremendously
hmm, 2-1. your explanation is a little hard to follow but i think i got it. :)
i know i -should- be in the proper gear for whatever panic situation i'm in but this is something i'm terrible about. a 45 to zero panic brake means i may/may not be in 1st when i get there. thankfully the gs's clutch can handle a 2nd or 3rd gear panic START also.
Quote from: BeerGarage on January 19, 2009, 08:26:27 PM
I did a bunch of practice panic stops today. I started at about 10mph and worked my way up to 35 mph. I locked the rear tire several times. 1) It was fun sliding it around. I was surprised how much more I could use the front brake. 2) I was shocked how long it took to stop.
Anyway, I had a lot of fun and just felt like saying that.
practice stuff be-it slow speed maneuvers or just braking is a blast to me. a cool thing to try is to use a line /skid mark/whatever in a parking lot as a starting point. look straight ahead as you normally would and panic brake from that line. you'll be surprised just how long before you produce a skid mark at that line. sometimes it's 4 feet, sometimes 14. that means reaction time, perception, everything is slower than you thought ;)
1) be careful sliding the rear ! it's fun ya, but it can throw you terribly if you release at the wrong time !
2) check your pads and rotors. it should be a better than a car stopping (notice i said car, not super car like a subaru xti or lambo!) at the same speed. assuming you are using your full braking ability. the front brake has a TON of stopping power on dry/clean pavement.
:)
Super cool. thanks for all the great ideas!
I was doing 2-1's from 30 ish. I think my front rotor must have seen its share of 6-1's by the PO. Also the whole front brake assembly clunks around up there pretty good when I go off a curb. The mounting bolts are tight, but there is still a decent amount of floating play. Pads have ~2mm warning track left. Ideas there?
I think the braking potential of the bike is good. I think I have much more rider learning to do because I was shocked at how much MORE I can squeeze the front brake, and feel like I am nowhere near skidding the front or stoppie-ing.
I skidded the rear maybe 3 times. I could feel it sliding back and forth and felt good with it. I modded the rear pedal pressure when the rear wheel was lined up. I didn't really think about that. I guess I learned more on my bicycle in jr high than I thought.
My bicycle did not teach me to use nearly that much front brake though. A bicycle is so light that it is begging to flip me.
I had to keep reminding myself to downshift. That is not automatic / habit yet. I was using shadows as a "start stopping" point. The stpeed feels so different than in a car that it is difficult for me to judge relative stopping distances. I think the stopping is better on the bike, but I have no data to back that up.
:cheers:
2mm isnt much. and pads are NOT hard at all to replace. in most cases can be done in less than 10 mins