There has been some talk of this windscreen in the past, but I have some more specific questions:
1. At freeway speeds, what is the longest tour (time-wise) that you think you'd feel comfortable?
2. With this windscreen, at what speed does riding cease to be comfortable?
3. At what speed does this windscreen cease to offer near-perfect protection?
4. Knowing what you know now, would you buy this shield again? If not, what would you buy?
5. How does this compare to other windscreens you've used?
6. What is your height?
Thanks!
The project bike I've been working on has this screen, but it doesn't run yet... When it does (hopefully this weekend now that bikebandit finally decided to mail my parts) I'll let you know what I think about it. The first thing that strikes me about the screen is that the previous owner wasn't able to mount it correctly. He bolted the lower part to the bike with the headlight bolts like you are supposed to then couldn't figure out how to attach the upper supports to the bike, so just omitted them. This means that the screen pivots around its lower mounts and I imagine it just rests against the instrument cluster at any kind of speed. It is possible he just didn't figure it out and the supports aren't hard to mount, but it is worth looking up if you're considering buying one.
As a side note, my daily driver GS had a windscreen when I got it, but I got it in the spring and by summer time I was desperate for more cooling, so I took it off to get more airflow over my chest. I never ended up putting it back on and I haven't really missed it... It was a very tall and ugly no name windscreen, so perhaps if it looked way better, like the F-16 does, I'd have kept it...
Um... well, I take it you ride an E... soo... pretty much anything will be better than where you're at as far as protection from the wind... but as you're looking at the F-16, you're not going to get much. It's more of a splitter than a screen. Depending on how steep an angle you can mount it it will direct the wind between your chest and your forehead. (Also, depending on how much you tuck in when you ride.)
Expect to get a good blast under your chin, basically. Comfort has nothing to do with the screen but the bike itself... the screen will add NO comfort... only a pocket of slight wind splitting. For true protection you need an actual screen. You know, one of those goofy looking plexi-glass shields.
For doing any extended touring... get one, it'll save a lot of fatigue on your upper body from highway winds, just be careful when approaching/getting passed by big-rigs or SUV's as it will PULL and ROCK the handlebars a bit (I had one on my old CM200T and it's not fun...).
Are you just going for looks or practicality? This is another area you need to concern yourself with... basically a good full-face helmet and a 3/4 face mask under it with chin/neck protection is the best investment you can buy.
Now that that's said... here's my answers.
Quote from: Juan1 on February 17, 2009, 07:07:21 PM
There has been some talk of this windscreen in the past, but I have some more specific questions:
1. At freeway speeds, what is the longest tour (time-wise) that you think you'd feel comfortable? Dependent on conditions. If you've driven the GS on the freeway already then don't expect any magic solution to being knocked around by wind. With splitters, you're still exposed from the shoulder up.
2. With this windscreen, at what speed does riding cease to be comfortable? Over 30mph, you'll notice pressure zones created by the shield.
3. At what speed does this windscreen cease to offer near-perfect protection? Under 30... Speed has no factor really, it's all in how it's aimed and how far you tuck into it.
4. Knowing what you know now, would you buy this shield again? If not, what would you buy? None for normal riding. If you're doing a lot of freeway or touring, get a proper windshield. At least 18 inches high.
5. How does this compare to other windscreens you've used? They're pretty much all the same between 3-10 inches tall. It's when you get something taller than 10 you really notice a change in the pressure zone. (That and taller ones tend to be less noisy at speed.)
6. What is your height? 6'
Thanks!
For the record, I'm talking about the 13.25 inch high F-16 tour shield found herehttp://www.nationalcycle.com/catalogue/sportShields.html# (http://www.nationalcycle.com/catalogue/sportShields.html#), not the F-16 sport shield. It would be used for rides up to 4 hours long.
I currently have the stock windscreen from 1989. The wind protection is great up until about 60. Once the bike is at 75+ MPH, it might as well not even be there. My back starts aching after about 30 minutes at 80. I'm hoping that the much taller F16 tour screen is more comfortable.
Quote from: Juan1 on February 18, 2009, 01:15:47 AM
For the record, I'm talking about the 13.25 inch high F-16 tour shield found herehttp://www.nationalcycle.com/catalogue/sportShields.html# (http://www.nationalcycle.com/catalogue/sportShields.html#), not the F-16 sport shield. It would be used for rides up to 4 hours long.
I currently have the stock windscreen from 1989. The wind protection is great up until about 60. Once the bike is at 75+ MPH, it might as well not even be there. My back starts aching after about 30 minutes at 80. I'm hoping that the much taller F16 tour screen is more comfortable.
Yeah, the one I have is pretty tall. It looks like it would protect you from a lot of wind...
Quote from: Juan1 on February 18, 2009, 01:15:47 AM
For the record, I'm talking about the 13.25 inch high F-16 tour shield found herehttp://www.nationalcycle.com/catalogue/sportShields.html# (http://www.nationalcycle.com/catalogue/sportShields.html#), not the F-16 sport shield. It would be used for rides up to 4 hours long.
I currently have the stock windscreen from 1989. The wind protection is great up until about 60. Once the bike is at 75+ MPH, it might as well not even be there. My back starts aching after about 30 minutes at 80. I'm hoping that the much taller F16 tour screen is more comfortable.
Lay on the tank. Ull be behind the stock fairing, and your back wont be sore. Your nuts on the other hand...youre laying on em too. lol I know, Ive done this. Straight shot down I65 for 2 hours at 95 mph. It wasnt too bad except for the whole balls thing. It only got uncomfortable on the real bumps.
Hi Juan,
Did you search the site for this topic before you posted?
There's a lot of info already here.
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=43719.0
Re: Windshields for an '08
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2008, 09:39:16 AM »
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Hi there,
I have the National Cycle F-15 touring shield and I like it a lot.
It's not too big, but not too small, and it looks nice in the tinted color on my bike.
It's the windshield in my avatar.
Smiley
http://shop.nationalcycle.com/perl/cycle/N2522?mv_session_id=4mMtMcMZ&search_model=su-022%22
http://shop.nationalcycle.com/perl/cycle/large_photo?mv_session_id=4mMtMcMZ&mv_arg=N2522&search_model=su-022
I didn't get the F-16 because I thought it would be too small.
I still think the National Cycle Plexifairing GT is the one to use because it offers more coverage while still retaining a sporty look, but the company doesn't make a mounting kit for the GS500. Others here think it would work, as do I, but I haven't heard of anyone mounting one of these yet.
Here's the GT:
http://shop.nationalcycle.com/perl/cycle/N8101?
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=37198.0
Re: Windscreen questions
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2007, 11:40:02 PM »
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Hi there,
I just installed a National Cycle F-15 Tour Shield windshield, which is higher and wider than the F-16 and actually provides adequate protection. I thought the F-16 is way too small.
I finally removed the silver Tracy 2000 quarter fairing I've had on my bike for about 12 years. I was wanting to try something new.
I have ridden several hundred miles with the F-15 and I like it, though I think the mounting system in a bit flimsy.
I plan on also buying a National Cycle Plexistar 2 or Plexifairing 3 for the cold winter months because they offer MUCH more coverage, including for the hands and lower body.
Swapping them off for the seasons will be no problem.
Here's the F-15Tour Shield:
Obviously this photo isn't a GS500, but it is a good example of how the windshield looks when it is mounted.
I like the F-15 I have because I think it offers far more protection the the F-16 you are looking at, without adding a lot of unsightly bulk.
I live in PA so it gets cold here. I wish it were slightly wider in the winter with true hand protection from the wind, but then it would be much bigger on the bike. Overall, I think it is a great compromise.
I think it would give you more of the protection you are looking for. It is comfy for many hours behind it, keeping the wind off me and protecting me from the elements.
Good luck,
Trwhouse
Yep, I searched first. Lots of F-16 sport, F-15, and F-18 info, but not much on the F-16 tour shield. It also seems like most people don't speak about their shields in useful, quantitative ways. They tend to say its either too big or too small, but rarely do they throw out useful nuggets like "It is comfy for many hours behind it, keeping the wind off me and protecting me from the elements."
Thanks for the great review of the F-15! I prefer the look of the F-16 tour shield, but if my prefered shield makes a 3 hour tour uncomfortable, the F-15 is next in line.
I think its kinda funny i used to ride a 99 sportster no windsheild and just a skull cap for a helmet. it was never uncomfterable to ride at any speed. Im not sure how a windsheild like your looking at would make the ride any less comfy.
Funny, This thread is right on time for me :icon_lol: I am looking for a shield to put on my sons E for our upcoming trip to the Moonshine lunch run in April. I have been searching and it seems that the F-15 and F-16 are the ones to look at.
I think the Givi ones look nice also, but haven't seen pics for them. Will have to do a search for GIVI and see if I can find some pics.
PS, anyone have either for sale?
Lewis
Well, just found the Wiki page. I am just learning about the wiki pages for bikes. Its a great idea, and this one is really nice.
The photos of the shields are specially nice.
http://cgi.stanford.edu/~sanjayd/gs500/Upgrades/Windshields
Anyone have direct comparison of the A750 vs the F-16 tour?
Lewis
I have the F-16 touring windsheild and I have been on some LONG rides, including weeklong tours. It is NOT a big fairing, so you are in the wind a bit, but I prefer that when we're in the 90s and 100s here! OTOH, it is much better than riding with no shield on the highway.
I'm 5'9" and it directs the air just above the bottom of my helmet. Minimal buffeting. My shoulders still get some air.
Here are some pictures of my GS when I first got the F16. I found that it's really great for road trips longer than an hour or two on the freeway. Most of the time, I'm not on trips that long so the GS tends to be nekkid. I consider it relatively easy to put the screen on when I know I'll be taking a trip. For local or day-long rides on the weekends, I don't bother with it.
I'm 5'4" with a shorter torso and longer legs. The screen really helps when it's cold out because I can tuck behind the screen when I need a rest from the wind, especially at highway speeds. For me, this windscreen was the best compromise: I can put it on and take it off as needed without it being a big deal. I don't think you're gonna get "total" coverage unless you're using something like gsJack's Plexistars (on the wiki).
I've put some pictures up here in case you want to see more views of it on the bike:
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j111/pronator_photos/F16%20Touring/F16Touring1.jpg)
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j111/pronator_photos/F16%20Touring/F16Touring2.jpg)
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j111/pronator_photos/F16%20Touring/F16Touring3.jpg)
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j111/pronator_photos/F16%20Touring/F16Touring4.jpg)
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j111/pronator_photos/F16%20Touring/F16Touring5.jpg)
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j111/pronator_photos/F16%20Touring/F16Touring6.jpg)
Quote from: pronator on February 19, 2009, 12:28:27 AM
Here are some pictures of my GS when I first got the F16. I found that it's really great for road trips longer than an hour or two on the freeway. Most of the time, I'm not on trips that long so the GS tends to be nekkid. I consider it relatively easy to put the screen on when I know I'll be taking a trip. For local or day-long rides on the weekends, I don't bother with it.
I'm 5'4" with a shorter torso and longer legs. The screen really helps when it's cold out because I can tuck behind the screen when I need a rest from the wind, especially at highway speeds. For me, this windscreen was the best compromise: I can put it on and take it off as needed without it being a big deal. I don't think you're gonna get "total" coverage unless you're using something like gsJack's Plexistars (on the wiki).
I've put some pictures up here in case you want to see more views of it on the bike:
Thanks pronator. Do you have any pictures of how your screen is attached to the bike? Did you just use the headlight bolts or is there another bracket? My project bike has the same windscreen, but with only the headlight bolts holding it on, it just pivots back until it hits the gauge cluster... I'm 6'1" and it would be handy if I could get the screen to stand up a bit more and block more wind...
Quote from: trumpetguy on February 18, 2009, 07:53:17 PM
I have the F-16 touring windsheild and I have been on some LONG rides, including weeklong tours. It is NOT a big fairing, so you are in the wind a bit, but I prefer that when we're in the 90s and 100s here! OTOH, it is much better than riding with no shield on the highway.
I'm 5'9" and it directs the air just above the bottom of my helmet. Minimal buffeting. My shoulders still get some air.
At what speeds is the air directed just above the bottom of your helmet? For example, the stock screen puts the air on my upper chest up to about 60, but at 75+ the air is hitting me about 4-5 inches above my belly button.
Quote from: Juan1 on February 19, 2009, 09:26:30 AM
Quote from: trumpetguy on February 18, 2009, 07:53:17 PM
I have the F-16 touring windsheild and I have been on some LONG rides, including weeklong tours. It is NOT a big fairing, so you are in the wind a bit, but I prefer that when we're in the 90s and 100s here! OTOH, it is much better than riding with no shield on the highway.
I'm 5'9" and it directs the air just above the bottom of my helmet. Minimal buffeting. My shoulders still get some air.
At what speeds is the air directed just above the bottom of your helmet? For example, the stock screen puts the air on my upper chest up to about 60, but at 75+ the air is hitting me about 4-5 inches above my belly button.
I don't have a stock screen at all - mine is a GS500E. But at highway speeds (70+) I do not get wind under the helmet. The F16 can also be tilted forward more to give greater coverage (and greater drag as well...). Mine is tilted back almost as much as possible.
Pronator, I don't know how you consider it easy to put on/off. I consider it a pain if I have to take the headlight out! I have only had mine off for repair. It stays on all the time.
Quote from: pronator on February 19, 2009, 12:28:27 AM
Here are some pictures of my GS when I first got the F16.
Nice looking bike! That's my favorite GS color.
I don't do a lot of touring with it so it's usually off. But when I'm going to ride more than an hour or so at freeway speeds, it's worth my time to put it on. Otherwise, I prefer the naked look so it's off. I admit that when it's on or off, it will usually stay that way unless there's a compelling reason. Thanks for the color compliments, trumpetguy - it's my favorite color combo, too! I just got lucky buying it.
fred, there is another bracket and you can see it here indicated with the arrow. I don't find that the other brackets (one each side) work very well. It actually is metal on the plastic and I'm always afraid that tightening it will either crack the plastic. It's hard to explain without a more detailed photo at a different angle. I'll be putting it back on in a few weeks to ride down to LS for the class. I can take pics at that point. Or you can take a look in person if you sign up. :icon_mrgreen:
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j111/pronator_photos/F16%20Touring/attachpt.jpg)
Can the metal on plastic issue be addressed by adding rubber washers?
Quote from: pronator on February 19, 2009, 01:34:26 PM
there is another bracket and you can see it here indicated with the arrow. I don't find that the other brackets (one each side) work very well. It actually is metal on the plastic and I'm always afraid that tightening it will either crack the plastic.
Indeed, the fragility of the mounting points is the Achilles Heel of the F16. I ride in a VERY windy environment most of the time (there are over 100 wind generators in my immediate area) and had my F16 crack at the bottom holes secured by the headlight bucket bolts.
To repair it, I cut off the bottom part of the shield on each side (containing the cracked hole area) and made a piece of aluminum the same shape and formed it with the same curve. Then I drilled a hole in each metal piece for the bolt and used 3/16" aluminum pop rivets to attach the metal plates to the bottom sides of the F16 (to replace the cracked plastic part). I can tighten the headlight bucket bolt MUCH tighter without fear of cracking since the bolt is tightening against aluminum, not plastic. It seems much sturdier now.
Quote from: trumpetguy on February 19, 2009, 01:54:55 PM
Indeed, the fragility of the mounting points is the Achilles Heel of the F16. I ride in a VERY windy environment most of the time (there are over 100 wind generators in my immediate area) and had my F16 crack at the bottom holes secured by the headlight bucket bolts.
To repair it, I cut off the bottom part of the shield on each side (containing the cracked hole area) and made a piece of aluminum the same shape and formed it with the same curve. Then I drilled a hole in each metal piece for the bolt and used 3/16" aluminum pop rivets to attach the metal plates to the bottom sides of the F16 (to replace the cracked plastic part). I can tighten the headlight bucket bolt MUCH tighter without fear of cracking since the bolt is tightening against aluminum, not plastic. It seems much sturdier now.
You know what I'm going to say, don't you? PICTURES!!!! Please? :cheers:
Pronator, Thanks for the great pics. They are what I needed to see. I think I like the F-16 Tour. Looks to be big enough, but not too big. Now have to find one used or maybe for cheap.
Lewis
Quote from: lsdozer on February 19, 2009, 03:01:15 PM
Pronator, Thanks for the great pics. They are what I needed to see. I think I like the F-16 Tour. Looks to be big enough, but not too big. Now have to find one used or maybe for cheap.
Lewis
Happy to help! :cheers:
BTW Pronator,
What a great write-up on your custom top case rack! This is the stuff I like to do, tinkering wise and would be a worthwhile addition.
Only thing I didnt understand was what are "emt" pipes?
Lewis
Quote from: lsdozer on February 19, 2009, 03:51:45 PM
BTW Pronator,
What a great write-up on your custom top case rack! This is the stuff I like to do, tinkering wise and would be a worthwhile addition.
Only thing I didnt understand was what are "emt" pipes?
Lewis
Thanks - I'm actually in the process of doing the changes to the rack that I talked about last year. It's in the works but my welder has been really busy with other jobs that I'm not holding my breath. But they look much better than the originals. EMT pipe is electrical metal tubing. I wouldn't recommend it if you're going to make your own. I used EMT originally because of luksi's rack. But the EMT has a coating on it that sputters a lot while being welded. Raw steel is much better.
These were the changes I wanted to make to the original rack:
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=42034.0
This is how things are going so far. Close, but not quite yet:
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=46417.0 (Reply #12)
Good luck!
Lots of useful info here. We'll be installing the F16 on my sons GS in the near future. I'll try to come up with a different clamp arrangement now that I've seen how it fits up
Quote from: pronator on February 19, 2009, 04:18:41 PM
Quote from: lsdozer on February 19, 2009, 03:51:45 PM
BTW Pronator,
What a great write-up on your custom top case rack! This is the stuff I like to do, tinkering wise and would be a worthwhile addition.
Only thing I didnt understand was what are "emt" pipes?
Lewis
Thanks - I'm actually in the process of doing the changes to the rack that I talked about last year. It's in the works but my welder has been really busy with other jobs that I'm not holding my breath. But they look much better than the originals. EMT pipe is electrical metal tubing. I wouldn't recommend it if you're going to make your own. I used EMT originally because of luksi's rack. But the EMT has a coating on it that sputters a lot while being welded. Raw steel is much better.
These were the changes I wanted to make to the original rack:
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=42034.0
This is how things are going so far. Close, but not quite yet:
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=46417.0 (Reply #12)
Good luck!
Yeah, those coatings are usually really really bad for you in vapor form, which is what happens to them when you heat them up to welding temperature. I'd go with regular old steel tubing from IMS or whatever local metal supplier you can find...
I bought the F-16 sport windshield and noticed an immediate difference on the freeway.
it gives a nice sporty look to the gs
Watch out for that metal to plastic bracket. I lost on on the freeway it just vibrated its way off but it doesn't affect the mounting much except if you want it set upright more.
I would use some loctite or drill a small hole and secure it with a wire cable so that the bolt doesn't make its way off.
Quote from: pronator on February 19, 2009, 02:01:55 PM
Quote from: trumpetguy on February 19, 2009, 01:54:55 PM
Indeed, the fragility of the mounting points is the Achilles Heel of the F16. I ride in a VERY windy environment most of the time (there are over 100 wind generators in my immediate area) and had my F16 crack at the bottom holes secured by the headlight bucket bolts.
To repair it, I cut off the bottom part of the shield on each side (containing the cracked hole area) and made a piece of aluminum the same shape and formed it with the same curve. Then I drilled a hole in each metal piece for the bolt and used 3/16" aluminum pop rivets to attach the metal plates to the bottom sides of the F16 (to replace the cracked plastic part). I can tighten the headlight bucket bolt MUCH tighter without fear of cracking since the bolt is tightening against aluminum, not plastic. It seems much sturdier now.
You know what I'm going to say, don't you? PICTURES!!!! Please? :cheers:
Here are two quickly snapped pics of my repair to the mounting tabs of my F16 (don't mind the splattered bugs -- they are a near-permanent fixture because I'd rather ride than wash!). I used aluminum backup washers behind each rivet. My repair also reinforces the area where the angle-adjusting bracket squeezes.
I probably have over 10,000 miles on mine so far. I'm too cheap to buy a new one so I repaired it!
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l128/trumpetguy_01/sideview.jpg)
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l128/trumpetguy_01/frontview-1.jpg)
We installed the F-16 Sport shield yesterday and it appears the clamp isn't really needed because the shield is not able to swivel forward due to resting on the headlamp and back because it rests on the tach/speedo. Has anyone else ran into this situation? If it's ok to run it like this, that would be great because the circular slots for the clamps are perfect for mounting the SV turn signals we're planning to install.
Edit: pic of how SV signals will look mounted on the F-16 shield
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/gearman22/gs500/dsc02207b.jpg)
Installed mine yesterday. Initial impressions:
-At 80, it keeps the wind off my chest up, but I can feel a bit on my shoulders. For reference, I'm 5'11" with a slightly long torso.
-Much better protection than the E model's optional fairing.
-The screen vibrates up until there is about 40 MPH of wind pushing on it because of section 3 of my next point.
-The attachment set up is terrible. I used the recommended set up, but added rubber washers to prevent any metal on plexiglass contact. The flaws in the set up are 3 fold:
1. Metal on plastic is a recipe for breakage.
2. Trumpet Guy's picture demonstrates the worst part of the set up. Look at the small strip of metal runs from near the rivets to the headlight bracket. On an unbroken screen, this strip secures the screen primarily by pulling the plexiglass outward with the bolt whose threads you can see in the pic. A recipe for breakage, yet a poor method of holding the screen securely.
3. The 2 attachment points are very close together, and only one of them is truly secure (the part that actually is bolted to the headlight.
* Will probably try to improve upon the second attachment point that I criticized above and live with the vibration near idle.
Juan1,
How is the wind at about 70 and below? Are you happy with its wind blocking and looks wise?
Lewis
70 and below, there isn't much wind on you. It hits the helmet and shoulders, but that's about it.
The screen is adjustable, but it looks its best when it is adjusted all the way back (not upright). Pronator's pictures demonstrate how it looks in the visually ideal position, and I consider his pictures to be very accurate representations. He even nails the level of tint, which is a bit lighter than I'd like.
My sense is that the shield is a great compromise between form and function. If you want a beauty queen (looks great but doesn't do any work), go with a Buell Blast screen or the National Cycle F-16 Sport (not Tour). If you want a serving wench (terrible to look at, but does great work), take a gander at the F-15 Tour Shield, National Cycle's largest Deflector series screen, or the Plexifairing GT. The F-16 is something in the middle. It looks good and it keeps the wind off of all but the very top of your chest on the freeway. This screen is a keeper.
Agreed on the rubber washers to prevent metal on plexi contact though I'm always I'll crank too hard and crack it anyways.
I was hoping the tint would be darker, too, and even thought about painting it black (from the inside) but then I realized that I wouldn't really be able to see through it if I was tucked behind. With the sport, your eye level is likely over the top of the screen so a dark tint can work for that beauty queen look. With the tour, you're eye level is below the top of the screen.
It's unlikely the screen would hold itself upright at high speeds given the attachments that have been described. I've never actually tried because it does look best all the way back against the tach/speedo.
Glad the pics helped and you found it representative, Juan1. Just for future reference, :whisper: : Pronator's a she. ;)
Quote from: pronator on February 27, 2009, 05:29:07 PM
Agreed on the rubber washers to prevent metal on plexi contact though I'm always I'll crank too hard and crack it anyways.
I was hoping the tint would be darker, too, and even thought about painting it black (from the inside) but then I realized that I wouldn't really be able to see through it if I was tucked behind. With the sport, your eye level is likely over the top of the screen so a dark tint can work for that beauty queen look. With the tour, you're eye level is below the top of the screen.
It's unlikely the screen would hold itself upright at high speeds given the attachments that have been described. I've never actually tried because it does look best all the way back against the tach/speedo.
Glad the pics helped and you found it representative, Juan1. Just for future reference, :whisper: : Pronator's a she. ;)
If the screen is right at your eyeline, how do you do in the rain? I'd worry about it being yet another clear plastic surface to collect drops of water on... Do you rain-x it?
Maybe there is something different about the headlamp or shield, but it will only rotate a few degrees forward from resting on the instruments. Maybe I need to trim some material from the lip in the radius area that goes around the headlamp. :dunno_black:
Hey pronator I thought about getting the f16 too but was also looking at Givi's 700 windscreen. I wound up going with givi but i still really like how NC's looked. the deciding factor was it's mounting. givi has four strong 3/8" mounting bars, 2 for the handlebars and 2 for the forks, large plastic on plastic mounts. takes a while to put on but its not going anywhere. and there is no buffeting at any speed on the screen or my helmet.... but im 5'6. I put pics up in the member bikes zone. let me know whacha think.
Hmm... that's funny, I've had a bad back since a hockey injury in 1975 and my back doesn't hurt no matter how long I ride my bike, and mine's naked. I think you need to have the seat reupholstered with better foam. www.knoplace.com
Lowest prices anywhere. :thumb:
If you get a bigger windshield, I'd love to buy your stock windshield if it's still in good condition.