So after 1.5 years and 8k miles with my '89 GS, I decided to put it up on Craigslist and see what happened. Within an hour, I had 4 emails, 2 people scheduled to see the bike, and offers very close to my $1300 asking price (I bought it for $900 in Aug. of '07). Tonight, I said goodbye to my first bike that took me from Seattle all the way down the coast to San Fran, all over Washington, and countless trips to work, all with minimal fuss.
This forum has been an awesome resource for knowledge, parts, and like-minded individuals that have shared all kinds of things related to riding. Thanks for that.
For now, I'll be saving up for until I can afford a VFR (4th or 5th Gen.), SV650s, Triumph Sprint, or maaaaybe a Honda VTR1000. Who knows! I plan on making riding a long-term hobby and mode of transportation. I owe much of that to my little GS.
It's been fun, guys! :cheers:
Good luck! :thumb: I had my '99 for five years, and I just recently moved up. However, I can't seem to drag myself away from this forum. I've joined svriders.com and sv-portal.com but, while being useful, the community on those forums doesn't hold a candle to gstwin.com!
Keep hangin' out here, and try to make some group rides. This is an awesome forum...no matter what you ride. :cheers:
I recently sold mine as well, its bittersweet. The hardest part for me though is not having a bike right now though, good luck with your search.
Muhaha haha haha haha ... SV Idiots are peckerheads.
Most of us have no GS, not even a bike in some cases. This forum is our equivalent of sex/food/air.
However the SV moron's are bickering fools who cant ride and cant afford a real sport bike and like to peddle and buy overpriced crap for their pretty boi bikes.
And ...
Dont even get me started on the damn gladius. I cant see why they are freaking fawning over it ... its a POS steel framed bike with a over hyped price tag cos its new ... POS. Worse than a GS. V twin ... sheesh.
If only the ninja 650 was a slightly better POS it would have made a decent step up form a GS.
WTH is yamaha doing hiding that TRX from us. Stupid, all of them.
Cool.
Buddha.
Tell us how you really feel Buddha...
I like the SV650. I'm intrigued by the Gladius. The Versys and ER-6N are interesting too. But the GS I can do just about anything with/to. And there are millions of parts out there. And it and they are dirt cheap. And the power is fine, with great gas mileage.
My GS (still a WIP, although, with a running engine, brake light, and turn signals now...) is a step UP from the 30 y/o CM400t I was using before, so it's pretty satisfying. I imagine moving up to the 650s will have both benefits and drawbacks. I anticipate more drawbacks than benefits - hence I haven't done it.
you'll buy it back.
i had my 92 gs for almost a year, then sold it to a friend. ive been without it for a year now, and will hopefully buy it back from him this summer. hell, i've already started buy parts in anticipation of getting it back!
originally i wanted it back just to leave at my parents beach house (no way i'm riding 4+ hrs each way). then i started to remember how much fun it was to ride, so i think ill keep it at home when it get it back.
The gladius and the Ninja 650 definetly will do 1 thing far better than the GS does, no question.
It will rust better. Faster, deeper, in more in accessible places far far sooner. No contest. Its will outrust the GS hands down.
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: The Buddha on March 17, 2009, 10:26:01 AM
The gladius and the Ninja 650 definetly will do 1 thing far better than the GS does, no question.
It will rust better. Faster, deeper, in more in accessible places far far sooner. No contest. Its will outrust the GS hands down.
Cool.
Buddha.
You can't think of ANYTHING else an electronically tuned 650 could do better than a carbureted 500? You're losing some respect and credibilty with me here...
I don't know Buddha, my GS looks like it could once hold its own in a fork rust competition.
Why the distaste for the other bikes? Yes, most of the other forums have some folks with 1000cc egos and 250cc brains, but I'd still trade my budget GS500 for a less-budget FZ/SV/650r in a heartbeat.
Quote from: Juan1 on March 17, 2009, 10:59:23 AM
Why the distaste for the other bikes? Yes, most of the other forums have some folks with 1000cc egos and 250cc brains, but I'd still trade my budget GS500 for a less-budget FZ/SV/650r in a heartbeat.
WHOAH THERE!!! THAT'S CRAAAAAZY TALK!!! NOW YER TALKIN' CRAAAAAZY TALK!!!!
I don't know that I would make that trade, honestly. Let me get this thing of mine tuned and running, and I'll get back to you. I will say that sometimes a horse may be a better ride than a pegasus, even if slower.
i have to say i went and looked at the new 09 sv650 last night on the way home from work and that will be my next bike. man is it pretty
Quote from: lawman on March 17, 2009, 11:32:23 AMI don't know that I would make that trade, honestly. Let me get this thing of mine tuned and running, and I'll get back to you. I will say that sometimes a horse may be a better ride than a pegasus, even if slower.
I agree, it isn't all about the engine size. The FZ/SV/650r all have better transmissions, better suspension and brakes, bigger frames, 2 of the 3 are aluminum (no more rust, stiffer frame), electronic fuel management (no more long warm up times or carb issues), and longer service intervals. That said, saving the money for something bigger than a GS500 is no fun.
Quote from: sector9 on March 17, 2009, 12:41:05 AM
So after 1.5 years and 8k miles with my '89 GS, I decided to put it up on Craigslist and see what happened. Within an hour, I had 4 emails, 2 people scheduled to see the bike, and offers very close to my $1300 asking price (I bought it for $900 in Aug. of '07). Tonight, I said goodbye to my first bike that took me from Seattle all the way down the coast to San Fran, all over Washington, and countless trips to work, all with minimal fuss.
This forum has been an awesome resource for knowledge, parts, and like-minded individuals that have shared all kinds of things related to riding. Thanks for that.
For now, I'll be saving up for until I can afford a VFR (4th or 5th Gen.), SV650s, Triumph Sprint, or maaaaybe a Honda VTR1000. Who knows! I plan on making riding a long-term hobby and mode of transportation. I owe much of that to my little GS.
It's been fun, guys! :cheers:
that's cool man. enjoy the ride, whatever you pose on ;)
also congrats on getting your money back from the bike.
i wonder though- how did you part with her when the buyer came ? (I couldn't)
Quote from: The Buddha on March 17, 2009, 07:43:18 AM
If only the ninja 650 was a slightly better POS it would have made a decent step up form a GS.
So what
is a decent step up from a GS?
Quote from: ohgood on March 17, 2009, 04:34:02 PM
i wonder though- how did you part with her when the buyer came ? (I couldn't)
I did it by not being at the house when she sold, probably the only way I could have let her go.
How many of you remember when 'the buddha' was still called srinath, and he actually said useful stuff that didn't border on inane, borderline abrasive drivel?
Quote from: The Buddha on March 17, 2009, 07:43:18 AM
Muhaha haha haha haha ... SV Idiots are peckerheads.
...However the SV moron's are bickering fools who cant ride and cant afford a real sport bike and like to peddle and buy overpriced crap for their pretty boi bikes.
And ...
Dont even get me started on the damn gladius. I cant see why they are freaking fawning over it ... its a POS steel framed bike with a over hyped price tag cos its new ... POS. Worse than a GS. V twin ... sheesh.
If only the ninja 650 was a slightly better POS it would have made a decent step up form a GS.
Cool.
Buddha.
A. I own an SV now, and I don't consider myself to be a peckerhead, bickering fool, or pretty boi. I do, however, now own a bike that only weighs twenty pounds more than my GS, will NOT rust, has a better suspension, better brakes, a functional faring, actual room under the seat for storage, will not have perpetually leaky forks, only costs $12 more a year to insure, and cost me considerably less than the $ I would have spent on a new 650r, FZ6R, or even a new GS500F for that matter. Oh, and did I mention horsepower and torque that allow me to ride twisties without shifting constantly, and gearing that allows me to do the majority of my in-town riding without ever shifting past second or breaking 6,000 rpm? It puts the power in a real-world usable rpm so I don't have to rev it to >8000 rpms just to begin to find the power band, and it will more than challenge any 600 to 750cc 'super sports' without the inflated prices or insurance.
B. The Gladius may rust (as ANY neglected steel-framed bike will do), but the GS is no better if left to the elements. And as for the 650r, it has been updated greatly for 2009, so your views on it are irrelevant at this point because no one has been able to evaluate them. On a related note, if you own a 650r, you must have one of the first years it was made, because it's only been in production since 2006. Everyone knows (well, most people apparently) that you never buy a brand-new production until the bugs are worked out (hence the major upgrades after only three years since its initial release).
I digress. I vote to toss out 'the buddha', and bring back the helpful mod srinath. I liked that guy, but that's just one SV rider's opinion.
Quote from: sector9 on March 17, 2009, 12:41:05 AM
So after 1.5 years and 8k miles with my '89 GS, I decided to put it up on Craigslist and see what happened. Within an hour, I had 4 emails, 2 people scheduled to see the bike, and offers very close to my $1300 asking price (I bought it for $900 in Aug. of '07). Tonight, I said goodbye to my first bike that took me from Seattle all the way down the coast to San Fran, all over Washington, and countless trips to work, all with minimal fuss.
This forum has been an awesome resource for knowledge, parts, and like-minded individuals that have shared all kinds of things related to riding. Thanks for that.
For now, I'll be saving up for until I can afford a VFR (4th or 5th Gen.), SV650s, Triumph Sprint, or maaaaybe a Honda VTR1000. Who knows! I plan on making riding a long-term hobby and mode of transportation. I owe much of that to my little GS.
It's been fun, guys! :cheers:
Hang around mate. i sold my 97 when my mother fell ill and gave dad teh money from it to help with their bills. BUT i hung around here. loolbarring a permaban, ill be here until someone in the head office pulls the plug here :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
I think The Buddah just likes to stir the pot once in a while to keep things lively. :icon_twisted:
I agree with Buddha and those who are also like-minded. The Ninja, CBR, GSX-R, R1, etc. are sexy bombshells who thrill you for a short time, are a pain in the ass afterward, and leave you penniless. The GS is the soft-spoken, pleasant woman with simple tastes who can cook and clean, doesn't complain, and is easy to live with. There are no racetracks on our way to work, the store, your gal's house, etc. If you think you need more power for the street, you should have your license taken away. I've ridden small bikes and big bikes for a long time and I'll say it again... mid-sized air-cooled DOHC bikes with 80's technology is where it's at! :thumb:
The GS has the right level of technology to be a very satisfying every day street bike. It has all the important advancements a bike really needs; DOHC, disc brakes, monoshock, box-section frame, and electronic ignition. The high-tech features it doesn't have adds significant cost and takes a bike to a level that is not needed at all on the street. The new computerized-everything, fuel injected, 48-valve, liquid-cooled, variable valve timing robobikes will wow you, but if you're not an electrical engineer and licensed plumber you can't fix it and it'll cost you PLENTY to own it, which to me takes away a lot of what motorcycling is supposed to be.. life's best simple pleasure next to sex. When those bikes get to needing a top end overhaul or a new computer you may as well part it out, because it'll cost you your firstborn child to get it fixed.
I also say the comment about today's bikes' longer service intervals is a canard. What exactly has to be fixed often on a GS? Hmm? I don't need tires every year. The rocket bike rider does. My brakes last longer too. I don't have to change coolant or deal with coolant leaks. Do you believe your 100 HP 600 cc engine will outlast mine? Would you like to buy some swamp land? The GS is also simpler so you can do most of the work yourself, saving a fortune.
As for rust, I don't know what you guys are doing, but my '94 has spent its whole life in Northern PA and upstate NY, and it has no rust on the forks, and only marginal rust anywhere else, like on a few screw heads. It runs like a top. Best $1200 I ever spent.
Just last Sunday I took a ride to my friend's house, the guy with the $11,000 Harley. I was starting to ask him if he'd taken his bike out for a ride yet this year and I turned my head to look at his bike as I was saying it, and there it was with a giant puddle of transmission oil under it. 'Nuff said about that!
Come December, I'll have had my GS 10 years (yes I am going to take it out for dinner).
While an 80's technology air cooled 500 may be the pinnacle of motorcycling pleasure to some, not all share that opinion. I've been riding for nearly 42 years and have owned and ridden many bikes in that performance/technology range and enjoyed every mile. However, I believe having a modern mid displacement sport-standard motorcycle (ER6, FZ6, CB600, SV650 etc.) as your primary ride has more advantages than disadvantages. Personally, I like 16K mile valve clearance check intervals and reliable fuel delivery systems that allow a relatively small displacement motor to produce ample hp and yet achieve 60+mpg fuel economy.
Quote from: gearman on March 17, 2009, 07:52:48 PM
Quote from: The Buddha on March 17, 2009, 07:43:18 AM
If only the ninja 650 was a slightly better POS it would have made a decent step up form a GS.
So what is a decent step up from a GS?
A decent step up from a GS 500 is a bigger version of the same thing, and there are many of them. The 1985 Suzuki GS 700E and ES are perfect. 80 HP. Faster than a SV 650 they are, and they're air-cooled. Go bigger and there's the GS1150E, the best all-around liter class street bike ever made. The cycle mags gushed about that bike for 10 years. I like Suzuki because I think they give you the most for the money. :thumb:
That said, you can't go wrong with a Honda Nighthawk either. How about this vintage blast from the past? The 1984 Honda 700SC Nighthawk has shaft drive and will eat a SV 650 for breakfast. One of the guys at work had this exact bike back in the day. Same color and all. Man, that bike was bad:
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/Honda/honda_cb700_nighthawk_s.htm
Oh, and for the record, I bought my bike from a guy who bought a brand new SV 650. We've been in touch and he told me he lost 10 mpg. 50, not 60, but he loves it anyway. ER 6? Great bike, but no centerstand. Kinda makes it hard to work on, unless you take it to the stealership for everything.
he went from 60 to 50? I think I have him beat. While i still have my GS500 (even rode it today) I just bought a 2005 SV1000S
I went from 60mpg to 31mpg... going relatively easy on the gas... I feel bent over with someone ramming the SV up my butt..
Yea, technology sucks...
Whats with these new duel core processors, 56 MBS internet connections and flat screens. I really miss my old 333 on dial up and where the hell is my 40 pound 15" CRT monitor...
Do you even hear yourself? Total american stereotype. We fall in love with our vehicles and we (most of us) think that what ever we have is the best / baddest thing around. How many times have you ever herd someone say "I hate this bike", or "I really got ripped off on that buy"? I love this attitude. You see someone get screwed on a bike, a car or even a computer and they are always in total denial about it.
Whoever said that "if you need more power than a 500 you should not have a license". You voted for Obama didn't you. Lets ban all sport bikes, actually why not everything over 500 cc because that is what you ride and no one needs more than you have. Hell while we are at it lets ban Corvettes, Mustangs, Cameros and Challengers because you own a Geo....
No more BS... I don't care what you ride and I don't have to like your bike but if you find yourself in the Minneapolis area look me up, I will not be embarrassed to ride with you, your carburetor or your fuel injection.
+1 well stated
Quote from: Hawk996 on March 18, 2009, 11:21:21 PM
Whoever said that "if you need more power than a 500 you should not have a license". You voted for Obama didn't you. Lets ban all sport bikes, actually why not everything over 500 cc because that is what you ride and no one needs more than you have. Hell while we are at it lets ban Corvettes, Mustangs, Cameros and Challengers because you own a Geo....
Don't own a Geo, but I'm cool with doing all that....
thats just dumb :flipoff: im glad people like you didnt start out on a 250. and a yugo the world as far as driving would suck.
Decent step up from a GS - Has not been made (aluminum frame + parallel twin), but of the lot that is available I'd take an SV650 - with a gun to my head. With only a (say) stick to my head I'd take a SV1000 and proceed to call it a small step up from a GS. Vstroms as well.
I dont disagree that neglected steel bikes will rust. I'd like to see a "rust discount" - bloody gladius is more $ than a SV. Its gotta be over +1K cheaper so I can keep it inside, covered, dessicated and never run it in the rain or when humidity is over 50%.
Ninja 650 R has been updated for 09. Yes. Its got a nicer headlight and fairing. The frame rail (center spine) is a bit improved, its a box section not the 2 C shaped sheet metal channels of 06-08 but all the rest is the same. Lipstick on a pig. 07 is 4999, 09 is 6899. I think the new fairing should fit that old bike and cost ya 2-300 bucks fleabay.
Bill - I'd say Bandit 600/1200 and yes your point is taken. No a nighthawk 700S very much runs out of steam ~100-110. SV does not. That nighthawk is a heavy turkey dude. Nice shaftie yea, hydraulic valves too. Like its boxy 80's YJM look as well. Had one for 8 months, sold last july, it has nightmare carbs/airbox combo. WHy the F*(k did they have to fit these tiny boots to the airbox. The 650's longer boots work well and easier to remove.
Archer I got near 40 or even more on ocassion with the SV1K. I am fabbing a larger tank for it. One without that airbox depression cos I removed its top. I do plan to run the stock air filter, but no top.
Ha ha ... no Sr*($&h for you ... muahahahahahah .... hahahahah hahaha
Cool.
Buddha.
The point that technology isn't always better is a fair. Technology can take the wrench away from the owner, and replace it with high maintenance costs. Furthermore, it can unneccesarily raise the price of a vehicle. In cars, who needs the complexity and the electronic gismos found in a BMW 5 series (a car with an alternator that costs over $1,000), when a 5 year old supercharged Miata will get you there faster, more reliably, and with a bigger smile on your face?
On the other hand, I think its silly to say that technology was so great 20 years ago that there was no room for improvement. Stronger frames that don't rust are a very practical improvement. Better suspension is very practical. Bikes with significantly reduced emissions, significantly more power, and slightly less fuel economy are a practical improvement.
To me, it is all a matter of price. Are the technological improvements of a thing practical enough to offset the added cost?
Quote from: joshr08 on March 19, 2009, 07:07:56 AM
thats just dumb :flipoff: im glad people like you didnt start out on a 250. and a yugo the world as far as driving would suck.
We wouldn't have a gas "crisis" and need to obliterate wildlife and natural habitat to try to "Solve" it by accelerating it either... :flipoff:
lol..im sure an bike burns the gas that the polititions us in there jets while telling everyone they need to buckle down :thumb: you ever fly anywhere? i dont so if i want to drive a bigger bike and burn a bit of fuel then guess what ill drive a bigger bike and burn a bit of fuel. no matter what i drive for a bike i dont burn 1/2 the fuel i do driving my jimmy when its cold out.
^ you may not use as much fuel, but older motorcycles pollute a lot more per mile than most modern cars do.
As for the old vs. new argument - I love the simplicity of the GS. The fact that it is almost as fun as a newer 650 while costing a lot less and being easier to work on is the best part about it.
so my 05 is an old bike? im confused at your comment pointing at me.
Oddly I think FI is good, as is lower powered and more efficient bikes.
650 is almost too big. 500 is plenty. Water cooled, fuel injected, DOHC 500 parallel in an aluminum frame.
You see, 90% of the energy is used to make the damn thing. No sense getting it to your house only to have you discard it in 2-3 years.
If its running 10% less efficient than their new models it will still take 10 years to make the difference.
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: joshr08 on March 19, 2009, 09:07:04 AM
lol..im sure an bike burns the gas that the polititions us in there jets while telling everyone they need to buckle down :thumb: you ever fly anywhere? i dont so if i want to drive a bigger bike and burn a bit of fuel then guess what ill drive a bigger bike and burn a bit of fuel. no matter what i drive for a bike i dont burn 1/2 the fuel i do driving my jimmy when its cold out.
Which is why we shoulid double the tax on gas and legislate your Jimmie out of existence.
do you want to take my guns to????
Quote from: Hawk996 on March 18, 2009, 11:21:21 PM
<snippage>
You voted for Obama didn't you. <snippage>.
I think everyone, including McCain's wife voted for Obama. :D
That Sarah Palin and the Joe the plummer routines pretty much obliterated any chance McCain had.
Lets see, how many of us have been stiffed by a plumber ...
OK then how many of us hate the local beauty queen. OK
McCain made it personal but he also made it negative and really really spoke to us though people we hate.
Cool.
Buddha.
nice touch on my post buddha. :technical:
Quote from: ohgood on March 17, 2009, 04:34:02 PM
that's cool man. enjoy the ride, whatever you pose on ;)
also congrats on getting your money back from the bike.
i wonder though- how did you part with her when the buyer came ? (I couldn't)
I parted with it by spending some time with it before the guy was coming to pick it up. Looking over all the pictures I've taken on the GS helped as well to pay homage to the good times that were made possible by that trusty GS. Still wasn't easy...
Quote from: joshr08 on March 19, 2009, 11:34:47 AM
do you want to take my guns to????
You mean "too?"
Are they single shot long-barreled hunting rifles? If not, yes.
Quote from: joshr08 on March 19, 2009, 11:55:21 AM
nice touch on my post buddha. :technical:
Why you little ...
Where is that ban button ...
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: The Buddha on March 19, 2009, 01:16:33 PM
Quote from: joshr08 on March 19, 2009, 11:55:21 AM
nice touch on my post buddha. :technical:
Why you little ...
Where is that ban button ...
Cool.
Buddha.
:dunno_white:
QuoteThat said, you can't go wrong with a Honda Nighthawk either. How about this vintage blast from the past? The 1984 Honda 700SC Nighthawk has shaft drive and will eat a SV 650 for breakfast.
That's my favorite air cooled Honda. They are great sport tourers. Breakfast? Maybe brunch...that extra 90+ pounds it packs around will consume some of that 8~10 hp advantage. :wink:
Wow, "ban all guns other than long barrel single shot hunting rifles" , Yes, gun control is a great idea, lets implement it tomorrow. Then all of us legal tax paying immigrants can run right down to the local court house / police station and turn over our guns that we have paid thousands of dollars for without reimbursement.
I am sure all the dope slingers, murders, rapists, armed robbers, car jackers, and the like will gladly comply as well. Whats that? The law breakers did not comply? What a shock!!! So, when 2 meth crazed, 9mm semi auto pistol packing thugs bust down my door and steal my money, rape my wife, kill my dogs, and steal anything and everything of value in my house including my 1000 cc air polluting rocket I can defend myself with a bolt action 22 caliber squirrel gun. Great idea you have there, only the thugs, cops and military have guns. Perfect...
You are so lucky to be able to speak your mind the way you do. Please, Google Allyn K. Capron. My great x4 grandfather who was a member of Teddy Roosevelt's Rough Riders. Because of people like me and my family, who by the way, every single generation of my family has fought in a major war on the American side of course, from the American Revolution to Desert Storm, and gave you the right to pray to the god you choose and speak whatever nonsense you please. When IMHO you deserve neither, and if you dont believe in the Constitution or the rights that it affords you then go somewhere else. Canada would be pleased to have a liberal like you in their ranks...
So take your single shot rifle and your scooter and load them in your "Smart" car, lock it in 4 wheel drive (is this car 4x4 ?) and see how far you can drive it up your a**....
Come back with whatever rebuttal you will, I don't care... I am done with politics on this forum. I came here to talk about bikes. Thanks.
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
Benjamin Franklin
someone has a sore spot.
+10000000000000000000000 HAWK
Quote from: Hawk996 on March 19, 2009, 11:29:01 PM
Wow, "ban all guns other than long barrel single shot hunting rifles" , Yes, gun control is a great idea, lets implement it tomorrow. Then all of us legal tax paying immigrants can run right down to the local court house / police station and turn over our guns that we have paid thousands of dollars for without reimbursement.
Fine with me - they did that for prohibition. After that, gun control is easy - if it don't stick out - long barrel - the man's a criminal.
Quote from: Hawk996 on March 19, 2009, 11:29:01 PM
I am sure all the dope slingers, murders, rapists, armed robbers, car jackers, and the like will gladly comply as well. Whats that? The law breakers did not comply? What a shock!!! So, when 2 meth crazed, 9mm semi auto pistol packing thugs bust down my door and steal my money, rape my wife, kill my dogs, and steal anything and everything of value in my house including my 1000 cc air polluting rocket I can defend myself with a bolt action 22 caliber squirrel gun. Great idea you have there, only the thugs, cops and military have guns. Perfect...
Again, after that, gun control is easy - if it don't stick out - long barrel- the man's a criminal. Or a cop, soldier or member of a state-organized militia, to wit:
Quote from: Hawk996 on March 19, 2009, 11:29:01 PM
You are so lucky to be able to speak your mind the way you do. Please, Google Allyn K. Capron. My great x4 grandfather who was a member of Teddy Roosevelt's Rough Riders. Because of people like me and my family, who by the way, every single generation of my family has fought in a major war on the American side of course, from the American Revolution to Desert Storm, and gave you the right to pray to the god you choose and speak whatever nonsense you please. When IMHO you deserve neither, and if you dont believe in the Constitution or the rights that it affords you then go somewhere else. Canada would be pleased to have a liberal like you in their ranks...
Rough riders were a militia, right? They relied primarily on long-barreled rifles, right?
I hate when political discussions devolve like this, but you are an ignoramus. Because your family fought in wars, that gives you some superior right to an opinion? The fact that they fought in wars proves my point - they had guns while in organized military action. Other than that, they can hunt with a long-barreled rifle, defend their homes with a long-barreled shotgun, and have no need for handguns, assault weapons, etc. This country has a bigger gun "problem" than any other industrialized country on earth. Maybe that's because of right wing yahoos like yourself. You can't be a gun-toting nation of laws. Here's an idea, why don't YOU go somewhere else? You want guns? Emigrate to Afghanistan. They like guns there.
Fact is, I know more about the Constitution, its history, and its interpretation than any three people on here combined. I've studied it, taught it, written about it - published, for judges-, defended it, interpreted it, and argued it. It's been mangled more in the last 8.3 years than at any time including the internments of World War II and the Alien and Sedition acts, most unfortunately, by the Court intended to defend it, for political reasons. You want a handgun? Be a cop. You want an assault rifle? Join the army. You want to play soldier? Join the Guard. Other than that, you have no right to guns, and your "right" to guns complicates everyone else's rights.
well it really doesnt matter what law is passed because the only people they will effect are the people with legal registered guns. The guy selling them out of his trunk in a bark ally will not be effected or stopped. So thanks for taking my selfdefence away from me and giving the run of the land to the criminals. :woohoo:
Quote from: joshr08 on March 20, 2009, 07:49:49 AM
well it really doesnt matter what law is passed because the only people they will effect are the people with legal registered guns. The guy selling them out of his trunk in a bark ally will not be effected or stopped. So thanks for taking my selfdefence away from me and giving the run of the land to the criminals. :woohoo:
Again, if the law precludes anything but long barreled weapons, and he's selling anything else in a back alley, it's easy to arrest him, and the buyer.
Why do pro gun morons always make this argument? Do you realize that in countries with fewer guns, they not only have less crime, the COPS don't even always carry guns? Like, Canada, or England? If they "take away your self defense" by outlawing handguns, they can easily arrest anyone with a handgun. They don't need to check for a permit. The very protrusion of a hangun shaped object is grounds for a Terry Stop. Besides that, I've never said cops shouldn't have handguns, and if cops have handguns, and criminals have handguns, then anyone with a handgun is a cop or a criminal. Period. If the criminal wants to walk down the street with a long-barreled rifle, that makes his gun pretty apparent, doesn't it?
what happens if a criminal has a handgun and the cops don't? I don't think that guy is going to be arrested.
Lawman doesn't know what militia means.. it's the armed citizenry, not the national guard as he implies. The Supreme Court just ruled on it a year or two ago. I find this troubling since he's a lawman (assumedly) and it's his job to know the law.
It is also in the financial best interest of police, or anyone who works for the government, to spew the leftist socialist democrat party line. Who else gets to retire at 50 on $70 grand and Cadillac benefit package? Not us, the great un-washed private sector who pays the taxes they confiscate from us and our children.
We already have too many people working for the government. That's why our republic is rotting from the inside and going bankrupt.
So do me a favor and talk bikes or get lost. I seek refuge from commies. I though I found a place here. Perhaps I was wrong.
Now go empty the parking meter and have a doughnut.
Wow, this thread turned into a dumb name calling session in a hurry! One side retardedly argues that the founding fathers made law that still is relevant to today and the future, yet doesn't think the second amendment should also apply to RPGs and thousand pound bombs. The other side retardedly believes that gun ownership by responsible citizens doesn't act as a deterrent for crime. Both seem to retardedly believe that a blanket law regarding gun ownership should apply nationwide, rather than allowing states and counties to make law that best suits their needs, cultures, and crime statistics.
So what do you guys think of VFRs and SV's (see the original post if this seems like a non-sequiter)?
Quote from: bill14224 on March 20, 2009, 09:22:33 AM
Lawman doesn't know what militia means.. it's the armed citizenry, not the national guard as he implies. The Supreme Court just ruled on it a year or two ago. I find this troubling since he's a lawman (assumedly) and it's his job to know the law.
Actually, you're wrong.
The Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. ___ (2008) held that the part of the Second Amendment regarding militias is "prefatory." "The Second Amendment is naturally divided into two parts: its prefatory clause and its operative clause. The former does not limit the latter grammatically, but rather announces a purpose." This is ridiculous, and that fact is why 4 judges dissented, with two opinions getting all 4 of their votes. The author was Scalia, who in Employment Division v. Smith rolled back 70 years of 1st Amendment precedent. It also ignores the oft-cited dicta "Words have meaning," from Zorach v. Clauson, 343 U.S. 306 (1952).
I also am very, very well informed as to the definition of "militia." I am published on that too, incidentally. This is the crux of the argument in Heller. Note that the militias at the time of the Constitution were organized by the states. Note also that the Bill of Rights – 1st 10 amendments – was a bribe to get states to sign on, and thus is intended to recognize the rights of states. I would point out the 9th and 10th Amendments, for instance. The purpose of the second amendment was to assure the states that they would not lose their own organized military forces. In fact, at the time of the Constitution and a few times thereafter, there WAS NO US MILITARY. Note that the militias at the time of the Revolution were generally named for the state they were organized by. You might want to look up the definition of militia. In any event, Heller would have gone the other way with O'Connor still on the Court, and definitely if Gore hadn't had the election stolen from him and Roberts and Alito not been sitting. I expect in my lifetime Heller will be reversed.
Note also that even more recently, in United States v. Hayes, No. 07-608 (2009), the Supreme Court UPHELD federal law restricting ownership of guns by those convicted of certain crimes - not just felonies, but misdemeanor domestic assault as well. How can the right of the people not be infringeable, and then be infringed? Think also, there are laws about who can sell them, background checks, restrictions on ammo, restrictions on fully-automatic weapons. Obviously some infringement is deemed Constitutional. This creates a law-enforcement nightmare. I recall US v. Lopez, regarding the gun free school zones act, for example.
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Quote from: bill14224 on March 20, 2009, 09:22:33 AM
It is also in the financial best interest of police, or anyone who works for the government, to spew the leftist socialist democrat party line. Who else gets to retire at 50 on $70 grand and Cadillac benefit package? Not us, the great un-washed private sector who pays the taxes they confiscate from us and our children.
Worse than that, we're paying for a lot of those: http://www.pbgc.gov/. Remember all those airline bankruptcies? The PBGC took on those pensions, at taxpayer expense...
Quote from: bill14224 on March 20, 2009, 09:22:33 AM
Now go empty the parking meter and have a doughnut.
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Quote from: Juan1 on March 20, 2009, 09:50:32 AM
Wow, this thread turned into a dumb name calling session in a hurry! One side retardedly argues that the founding fathers made law that still is relevant to today and the future, yet doesn't think the second amendment should also apply to RPGs and thousand pound bombs. The other side retardedly believes that gun ownership by responsible citizens doesn't act as a deterrent for crime. Both seem to retardedly believe that a blanket law regarding gun ownership should apply nationwide, rather than allowing states and counties to make law that best suits their needs, cultures, and crime statistics.
So what do you guys think of VFRs and SV's (see the original post if this seems like a non-sequiter)?
Yea viffer 750 is great, 800 is a POS. Again note the new buddha policy and the fact that its got a frame that stops at the top rear of the motor instead of having swingarm pivot trhough it. Sorry Honda we're callint it as a bad design, shock and swingarm stresses in the motor may enhance your bottom line when motors break, but sorry its at out expense, way to go honda shafting your customers ...
SV650 yea yea, so its same as last years, may be its best feature. The gladius is a steel framed POS that actually costs more than the SV. Screw that sheite.
SV is fine but the 1000 is far better.
Cool.
Buddha.
As an Officer in training...
LAWMAN +1
Quote from: The Buddha on March 20, 2009, 12:06:43 PM
Quote from: Juan1 on March 20, 2009, 09:50:32 AM
So what do you guys think of VFRs and SV's (see the original post if this seems like a non-sequiter)?
Yea viffer 750 is great, 800 is a POS. Again note the new buddha policy and the fact that its got a frame that stops at the top rear of the motor instead of having swingarm pivot trhough it. Sorry Honda we're callint it as a bad design, shock and swingarm stresses in the motor may enhance your bottom line when motors break, but sorry its at out expense, way to go honda shafting your customers ...
SV650 yea yea, so its same as last years, may be its best feature. The gladius is a steel framed POS that actually costs more than the SV. Screw that sheite.
SV is fine but the 1000 is far better.
Cool.
Buddha.
I agree with Buddha. I think though that a lot of bike selection is preference. I know people on modified Hayabusas looking for twin turbo packages, and people who ride their rebel 250 only on back roads. As between those two I would go with the SV - I almost bought a 650 - but you can't do the sort of wrenching you can on a GS, which is a zen thing for me.
If only the SV650 was a bit roomier, had better suspension, and didn't have that big old muffler in the way. It is hard to beat the value of a 3 year old SV650 though.