OK someone I know is getting out on a track for the first time.
He is not sure what to buy. And I dunno either ... :dunno_black:
So what tars ? he's runnign stock front and 4.5 kat wheel.
What sprokets (teeth/ratios) and what chain, I suggested non O ring cos well its easier to spin those and it barely gets used 2-300 miles a year on a race bike. Besides you never see rain and never get them run without lots of oil.
He also isn't sure he needs air filter - but I said he does. K&N lunch box.
Anything else, he hates novice and 2 clowns are sharing 1 bike so they have to be separated by category. 1 clown in novice and one in intermediate (dreaming ?)
Cool.
Buddha.
Anyone ?
Cool.
Buddha.
I went out for the first time last year and got hooked. It's addictive and you'll find yourself booking more days quickly!
For the first time out, all that is required is that the bike is safe and well maintained. The track day organization may have specific rules (ie tires less than 25% worn, safety wire oil plug, etc) You won't need racing mods at this level.
I did my first track day on a ninja 250 with bias ply tires. It was in novice. I learned volumes from my instructor and definately wasn't the slowest person on the track, even though I had the least horsepower. I would imagine you'll be booking a track day with an organization. They might have a forum. If not than go to the sportbiketracktime.com forum and ask the same question.
I doubt someone who has never ridden on a track before is ready for intermediate, and might be putting themself and others in danger.
That's about all I can suggest..since I just moved up to intermediate myself! Hopefully some of the racers here will chime in, correct my mistakes, and give you more info.
Buddah?
Whats kenny got to say?
15/41 (or 42) good for most tracks without very long straights. Shorter tracks I will run 14/41.
I like non-oring chains for less rolling resistance, usually EK.
Fresh rubber. Probably not able to excede typical sport street tires. Of course they may get over confident and toss it anyway. Pilot Activ or Pilot Powers are great choices and BT090 are more than they need.
Good brake pads. EBC HH are always a great choice.
for the first time? Or even time
s. He doesn't need anything but a safe bike and more track time. Put some Sport Demons or similar on there, stock everything else, who cares about the chain, sprocket and air filter? That's small potatoes stuff, and he isn't racing. The first limit by far will be the rider. Second will be suspension-- hopefully a kat shock and sonic fronts will be enough to make some cheap fixes there.
Quote from: ineedanap on March 19, 2009, 02:59:51 PMI doubt someone who has never ridden on a track before is ready for intermediate, and might be putting themself and others in danger.
ditto
accidental repost :oops:
Quote from: sledge on March 19, 2009, 03:11:29 PM
Buddah?
Whats kenny got to say?
I think I gotta go over there and poke him in the eye and get some race take off's.
Thanks for the ideas everyone - especially Dgyver. Pretty soon I think I'd rummage through your trash pile for stuff you toss.
But keep the ideas comming.
Cool.
Buddha.
good tars are a must!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SS front brake line is a good idea
good front brake pads a must
down 1 or 2 on the front it feels like you you are faster!!!!
standard chain is better than o-ring but not needed
remove all body work and lights!!!!!! keep the front fender
crash bars are very desirable much cheaper than an ignition pick up coil
remove center stand!!!!!!!!!
might have to remove the side stand
whatever the track day requires to be safety wired.....they are getting more lax on this lately
tell friend have fun, don't crash, he will suck, and all other bikes will pass him on the straights
Yo werase ...
Check ya PM's. Need some race take off tars.
PM me.
Cool.
Buddha.
buy NEW....
mine are too old to go back to the track
http://www.stickboyracing.com/dots.html
090's
Bleed the brakes with fresh non-silicone fluid. Make sure the pads and tires have plenty of meat, and the bolts are all tight, especially the ones with fluid behind them. Have your 'friend' hook up with someone to advise on tire pressures and to show him around - if he has to pay for a good instructor, it's worth it.
Take off the mirrors and signals, tape over the headlights. Don't worry about gearing and the like until that becomes limiting.
R'gal - Ha ha, already got no headlight ... OK T/S'es gotta go. Cool.
No "friend" ... just friend. The clown prolly has sent in a membership request here and waiting for approval.
This clown's weight, and the lack of talent will limit him severely as will the fact that he's on a GS ... muhahahaha ...
Werase - track day not actual race. You think he can tell the diff ?
Cool.
Buddha.
your Friend is fat and slow....ya want me to post a pic of ya? :icon_twisted:
track day not actual race. You think he can tell the diff ?.......... no
love it when they tape the headlight and leave it plugged in......
No head light already. Removed it and slapped it on another bike.
Anyway my pic already was up when someone posted it up a few days ago. But I know I am slow, he thinks he isn't.
Anyway I'll tell him to get new tars ...
Cool.
Buddha.
I have no track experience so I have no advice to give other than do exactly what the instructor says! :thumb:
hey, im the intermediate clown. the novice is the one with zero track time. ive done a couple of days on SVs as part of track school. on a slightly detuned sv, along with detuned gixxers, i've been in the top few lap times of day...but since im fat AND fast, and on a gs...will i be more fat or fast on a track (not enough parts for street) gs500?
i mean, is it so slow versus bigger bikes that its dangerous even if im riding the thing at 95%?
If you're in the C/Beginner/Just Starting group, bike won't matter at all, as everyone plods.
You see 'slow' bikes in the fast groups at most any track day. You'll be sorted into the right group for you.
In general, as long as you know the line, you're fine. It's the passer's job to pass, and the passee's job to keep to the line as if he/she were not being passed so the passer can make a safe pass. In general, of course, it's better to be faster on a slower bike than slower on a fast one, as few mind people who are fast in the turns while most hate the guy who goes by on the straight and parks it to change direction.
thanks for the info. ive never been on a track with a large number of bike types. i hope i dont end up being the shrill slow poke near the racing line in a fast corner....if i do ill take the air filter out.
Quote from: werase643 on March 20, 2009, 06:27:44 PM
buy NEW....
mine are too old to go back to the track
http://www.stickboyracing.com/dots.html
090's
werase-
Thanks for that website, hopefully they will ship to my base over here in italy. I dropped 1 or 2 tears when i saw the prices for race tires. This is mostly due to the fact that i just purchased 2 Pirelli Super Corsa's out in town for our track day (this sunday) and spent 320Euro (460dollars roughly) ::tear:: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Thanks again!
-J.Rich
For giggles, I'm running 15/45 on my GS500 at Loudon, which is a very tight/short track, and my bike is bone freaking stock.
Sport Demons will get the job done for track days, BT090s are working for me so far at race pace.
Hello everyone. I'm looking to get some suspension advice for the moto. I took the GS on the track today, and it was the scariest sh!t on the planet. I've done track time on my R6 and it's comfortable, but the GS would wabble, sag, and pucker my @ss at embarrassing lean angles. Racer's Corner mentioned a FOX rear shock, but i'm unable to locate it, and I'll probably be giving the WORKS co. a call to set-up the fronts. But, even before I do all that, what is the best setup being used to race the GS's? Please let me know, thanks!!
-Rich
I'm running a custom Works rear shock, Racetech springs and emulators up front. GMD Computrak says they can build a Penske rear to fit the GS as well. Fox stopped making motorcycle shocks awhile ago so anything you find will be old and most likely worn out.
Quote from: JJRich on April 05, 2009, 11:40:14 AM
Hello everyone. I'm looking to get some suspension advice for the moto. I took the GS on the track today, and it was the scariest sh!t on the planet. I've done track time on my R6 and it's comfortable, but the GS would wabble, sag, and pucker my @ss at embarrassing lean angles. Racer's Corner mentioned a FOX rear shock, but i'm unable to locate it, and I'll probably be giving the WORKS co. a call to set-up the fronts. But, even before I do all that, what is the best setup being used to race the GS's? Please let me know, thanks!!
-Rich
You need to upgrade the stock springs to straight rate springs of the proper stifness. I run the RaceTech cartridge emulators and 20W fork oil. Rear shock is a Suzuki GSF600 Katana rear shock.
Quote from: coll0412 on April 05, 2009, 01:46:33 PM
You need to upgrade the stock springs to straight rate springs of the proper stifness. I run the RaceTech cartridge emulators and 20W fork oil. Rear shock is a Suzuki GSF600 Katana rear shock.
coll0412-
Thanks for the advice. I already picked up a rear shock from a 98 Katana 600, and I emailed racetech to see what set-up they can get me. Can't wait to bring her back to the track and ACTUALLY race it!! Thanks again
-Rich
You will be in for a surprise. Its hard to beleive you are on the same bike once those addons are installed. I just added a Kat shock to my bike after doing .90 sonics. Its amazing! Now I really want to do a track day, turns that felt fast before now feel like nothing.
Could partly be because I was riding with a stock rear shock minus fluid :embarrassed:
Yah, i can't wait to get back out there on a mod'ed suspension. I felt like such a tool on the corners. But, at least i got some track pics out of the deal :thumb:
Thanks for the input everyone :thumb: .. I brought her back to the track w/ only the rear suspension modded. Put an 03 Katana 600 shock on. It was already a world of difference. Can't wait till i get the front's done.
-Rich
If you're trying to be competetive a kat shock wont do, it'll help but its not enough.
GSXR shock minimum. But yea Penske, fox etc ... kat is a great street shock ... and way better than stock but ... racing requires a real shock.
Cool.
Buddha.
Crap, Buddha and I agree?!
Well I have ridden with all of these on the street ... once you take the huge bumps out of the street as well as the road with ... well major segments of it missing, GSXR shock works better especially in corners. So by extrapolation, on the track ... GSXR and up. GSXR for a clueless newbie ... like the one this thread was intended for ... Start getting to real racing, instead of just wasting time @ the track, yes have to have a real suspension fron and rear set up for your weight and preference.
I mean, there is a reason BobB's bike looks the way it does. You think they slapped gold colored parts on it cos it looks cool ... for bling bling.
Truly, true race bikes are a bit industrial looking, but man do they work.
Cool.
Buddha.
I would recommend bringing a damn folding chair. I didn't bring anything and just laid down in between sessions. UGH.
20WT fork fluid was nice, I would recommend changing the oil if it hasn't been done recently too.
Hey buddha, where's my "novice" kat rear shock, or can you find me a GSXR rear?
Kat shocks are strictly on a pay up and wait basis ... 40 and shipping tested and cleaned and in good shape. Opened and tested for dial function as well as leaks. You really have to cos I had one that was leaky, didn;t see it till I opened it, good thing I opened it at the shop ... made the guy throw it at me in anger ... at which point I got a bad but free shock.
GSXR shocks I am all out of ones that work 100%. I am putting together some (missing knobs etc etc) together, may have 1 good one in a bit.
75 bones for one of those.
Anyway I am going to not spend too much time in summer doing these, I have bikes to refit and get out, as well as several carbs off people's bikes. Getting the big sheite done is imperative when the weather is decent.
May start back on shocks in winter.
If I get some progress on the bikes I'd make case guards and handle bars next.
Cool.
Buddha.
Do you advise track bike without fairings, if so, can I get a small front fairing?. Naked looks too naked.
Quote from: The Buddha on April 28, 2009, 07:36:40 AM
If you're trying to be competetive a kat shock wont do, it'll help but its not enough.
GSXR shock minimum. But yea Penske, fox etc ... kat is a great street shock ... and way better than stock but ... racing requires a real shock.
Cool.
Buddha.
Thanks Buddha, i wish i knew that b4 i bought the Katana, but already (to me) it is an amazing upgrade. Is the GSXR a bolt on swap?
Anyway,
I am always game to upgrade my moto, depending on the work needed I'll check into the GSXR shock when i leave italy. 'Werase' recommended a front end swap w/ the front end off a RGV250 which I'm also looking into. And, as far as racing goes, I'm up to 3 track days. It's still a big enough adrenaline rush in itself to keep me entertained for at least another year.
However,
I do want more power out of my motor. Right now I have a stage I dynojet, KnN filter, jardine/yoshi full exhaust and 43 on the rear. How much more is out there that doesnt require machine shop work?
Thanks!!
-Rich
Quote from: JJRich on May 12, 2009, 02:07:27 AM
However,
I do want more power out of my motor. Right now I have a stage I dynojet, KnN filter, jardine/yoshi full exhaust and 43 on the rear. How much more is out there that doesnt require machine shop work?
Thanks!!
-Rich
http://www.gstwin.com/racers_corner.htm
this link should be able to answer some of your questions
You have to grind the linkage to fit the GSXR shock. I found one for $9.99 on eBay.
I have rebound on #2 right now, and I may dial it down to #1 for street riding.
I just took a few pics when I did the swap. Not too bad to do. i used a 7 inch diameter angle grinder, though.
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=48107.msg540521#msg540521
Hopefully someone will throw them at the wiki and they will stick.
Quote from: JJRich on May 12, 2009, 02:07:27 AM
Quote from: The Buddha on April 28, 2009, 07:36:40 AM
If you're trying to be competetive a kat shock wont do, it'll help but its not enough.
GSXR shock minimum. But yea Penske, fox etc ... kat is a great street shock ... and way better than stock but ... racing requires a real shock.
Cool.
Buddha.
Thanks Buddha, i wish i knew that b4 i bought the Katana, but already (to me) it is an amazing upgrade. Is the GSXR a bolt on swap?
Anyway,
I am always game to upgrade my moto, depending on the work needed I'll check into the GSXR shock when i leave italy. 'Werase' recommended a front end swap w/ the front end off a RGV250 which I'm also looking into. And, as far as racing goes, I'm up to 3 track days. It's still a big enough adrenaline rush in itself to keep me entertained for at least another year.
However,
I do want more power out of my motor. Right now I have a stage I dynojet, KnN filter, jardine/yoshi full exhaust and 43 on the rear. How much more is out there that doesnt require machine shop work?
Thanks!!
-Rich
First post by Buddha
QuoteOK someone I know is getting out on a track for the first time.
He is not sure what to buy. And I dunno either ... dunno_black
So what tars ? he's runnign stock front and 4.5 kat wheel.
What sprokets (teeth/ratios) and what chain, I suggested non O ring cos well its easier to spin those and it barely gets used 2-300 miles a year on a race bike. Besides you never see rain and never get them run without lots of oil.
He also isn't sure he needs air filter - but I said he does. K&N lunch box.
Anything else, he hates novice and 2 clowns are sharing 1 bike so they have to be separated by category. 1 clown in novice and one in intermediate (dreaming ?)
Cool.
Buddha.
I would say that his viewpoint is limited to his experience.
Although I tend to agree with Buddha on most things, I think that spending a ton of money on a shock has a very limited return on the investment. Dollar for dollar the Katana shock is the best upgrade for the suspension. Similar to upgrading the front fork springs I think dollar for dollar is the best investment for the front forks.
Spend the $1000 that you would spend on a Penske shock and develop your race craft, I would rather have twice the amount of track time, then have half the amount of track time and a good shock.
Racing is a war of attrition, if you keep that in mind, you will survive club racing.
Quote from: brickerenator on May 12, 2009, 10:00:03 AM
Quote from: JJRich on May 12, 2009, 02:07:27 AM
However,
I do want more power out of my motor. Right now I have a stage I dynojet, KnN filter, jardine/yoshi full exhaust and 43 on the rear. How much more is out there that doesnt require machine shop work?
Thanks!!
-Rich
http://www.gstwin.com/racers_corner.htm
this link should be able to answer some of your questions
I cruised through the racers corner a few months back just to get general ideas. But, this time i did a lil more in depth reading and for that type of work I'll have to wait until i get back stateside. The race mentality and background in italy is amazing, yet the most inconvinient place on the planet to get your bike race ready.
Thanks though, I'll be back soon to get'er started.
Anyone here race in IL?
-Rich
when you want to go faster.....cheaper to buy a faster(different) bike...
did you bring a bike with you to IT?
if yes...you can bring one back
look at a nice RG-V...VJ-23
or an aprillia RS250
will you please send me a Mito125?
in boxes please
Mito 125, man werase, isn't that a little big for you. Yea I know cagiva mito 2 smoke 125 ... similar to a WMX motor ... 15.5K redline and 33.5 hp (atleast the late 80's version was) ... but you usually run 50 CC ... so huge step up for you ...
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: werase643 on May 13, 2009, 07:16:56 AM
when you want to go faster.....cheaper to buy a faster(different) bike...
did you bring a bike with you to IT?
if yes...you can bring one back
look at a nice RG-V...VJ-23
or an aprillia RS250
will you please send me a Mito125?
in boxes please
I already have a 99 R6, and I'm picking up an 03 636 tomorrow. Since the GS is already mine, It'll be mine until it blows up. And even then, it'll have to blow up good, or I'll just put it back together. I don't see myself ever getting rid of a motorcycle. So I want them to go faster.
And,
If i could i would ship a moto. My family's garage would probably already have a few crates waiting for me 8) ... But, the moto I brought was US Spec, and the only ones I can bring back have to be US Spec. Sucks huh. Don't they sell the Aprilia 250 in the states?
yes the 250 came to the states....race only no lights
MITO......
http://www.cagiva.it/_vti_g6_ver.aspx?IdVer=132&rpstry=178_
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cagiva_Mito
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2009/April/27-30/apr2909-125-test-new-Cagiva-Mito-525-v-Aprilia-RS125R-v-Yamaha-YZF-R125-v-Honda-CBR125R/
rs 250
http://www.cagiva.it/_vti_g6_ver.aspx?IdVer=132&rpstry=178_
Quote from: werase643 on May 15, 2009, 06:49:49 AM
yes the 250 came to the states....race only no lights
It's a nice lookin lil moto. But, i can gaurentee w/ the euro conversion rate and the mafia governments 20% IVA tax it'd be cheaper to buy it in the states. Yamaha OEM parts I get for half of what they ask at the dealer here, and I also buy pirelli's in the states because w/ shipping they are still less than what they ask out in town.