I have a 1988-90 GSXR front end for sale. I acquired it in a purchase i made last year from a guy in Chicago. I bought two GS500's and a van full of parts from him. He used to race them both in the modified and stock classes. The front end comes with everything you see in the pictures. My asking price is $400 plus shipping to wherever.
(To figure out your shipping cost please see the bottom of this post :)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/FE017.jpg)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/FE031.jpg)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/FE001.jpg)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/FE006.jpg)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/FE023.jpg)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/FE027.jpg)
Left and right forks (assembled)
Bottom and top triple tree
Clip ons
Steering stem
Bracket for steering damper
Fender
Nissin 4 pot caliper with brake lines + reservoir
Brake rotor
GSXR front rim in need of paint (3.5" wide)
Metzler race tire with plenty of good tread left (120/70/17zr)
If you have any questions about this item other than, "How much will shipping cost me?" please feel free to ask.
To help you figure out your shipping cost, use this information. The package will be shipped from zip code 60089, measure 36x25x15", and weigh 65 pounds.
Thanks, Bob!
no offence but i think 400 is a bit much for that FE heres something to think about .
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/01-02-Suzuki-GSXR600-GSXR-600-Complete-Front-End-Forks_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQhashZitem230278888614QQitemZ230278888614QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
I am offended
if you don't have something constructive.......
43 mm built like a brick sh!t house===> NO FLEX until you hit that truck
fully adjustable comp/rebound/and preload
sweet front end.....100 times nicer than a kat f/e
yeah i missed the single disc.....so what better than a GS still
Quote from: joshr08 on March 25, 2009, 05:18:03 PM
no offence but i think 400 is a bit much for that FE heres something to think about .
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/01-02-Suzuki-GSXR600-GSXR-600-Complete-Front-End-Forks_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQhashZitem230278888614QQitemZ230278888614QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
Josh buddy... *sad face*
I'm going to explain this to you politely.
You Do Not Ever! enter someones, "For Sale" thread and tell them they are charging too much money. It's disrespectful to that person. If you have a question about the item, ask it. If you want to buy the item, then do so. If neither of those things applies, then chances are you need to keep your mouth shut. It's just that simple.
Now, you compared my listing of $400 plus shipping to a listing on eBay that's $503.94 including the shipping cost. And based on that, you state, "$400 is a bit much".
1) The listing on eBay doesn't include a rotor, rim, or tire. Add ($400)
2) The listing on eBay requires machining work to make fit. Add (no clue... Let's say 100)
So, now that we've adjusted the prices accordingly, it's $400.00 plus shipping for my listing, and $1003.94 including the shipping cost for the listing you posted on eBay...
Do you still feel i'm charging a bit much for this FE?
Because honestly, after crunching the numbers, it seems to me like someone is getting a great FE at a great price.
Peace
well i guess you were offended but yes i stil do. your fe 1 brake caliper and rotor 01-02 double calipers. shipping on your fe to my door 70 bucks so yours is getting closer to that price and the other fe is 11-12 yrs older and in your post no where does it say bolt on ready you might want to add that if werase is correct when he states that someone can pay you 400 for your fe and bolt it right into there gs. Or does it need to have the big spacers made for it like his fe had to have. I was trying to be nice oh and i found a gsxr rim and same tire for 40 bucks on ebay. but really i wasnt trying to offend you i was just showing you i know its not the same fe. i just figured if you really wanted to sell it and seen the other one you might lower your price a bit to get rid of it. sorry man. good luck with the sale. :thumb:
Joshr08,
it is really inconsiderate to bash a for sale post
Bwaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ... Joshr08 ... you pissed off the werase ... bwaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ...
Nothing to say, just staring at the train wreck ...
Cool.
Buddha.
BTW since I sell kat FE's I'd point out 1 small point on this FE.
You'd never be able to get the GS guages on this, but you'all already knew that.
Cool.
Buddha.
So, is this already modified to bolt into a GS500 ?
Does the frame neck need spacers pressed in for this? I'm confused.
No, never put spacers in the frame.
The spacers only go in the stem above and below the lock nut. If it even needs spacers.
I have katana FE's I have stems modded and carriers made that will let you run it without spacers ever, and the guages can be fitted on the triple. The ignition lock will work, it actually looks like it came from the factory that way.
No wheel/tar, you use GS one, no fender and fork brace either. My method only uses 5 parts only 1 of which is even modified.
Cool.
Buddha.
Yes, but if I buy any more parts from you, Buddha, I will be a) Broke or b) bludgeoned to death by my mailman or c) both of the above
:thumb:
p.s. the thaw is starting up here. Lemme know when you want $$ for that exhaust and shock.
Thaw, thaw, you have thaw ... we're back in the freezing miserable rain over here.
OK I better get my work all done and start getting these out and getting it done.
Cool.
Buddha.
man, people get their feelings hurt fast about a price question. (shrug)
bump for a interesting sale
the point is......
you don't go on e-bay and post a question to the seller....."hey you want too much for your stuff, look there is another one(not the same) in this link that is different for less"
it is not a question.
you just don't bid on it
this is not my part for sale
it is a principal i feel needs to be addressed
it is probably in Da Rules but i haven't read them either
We do that all the time to fleabay dirt bags.
However its their option to publish it. Only a fool ignores what the rest of the market is doing and prices things out of proportion with what the market will bear.
Like this piece of sheite -
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-Suzuki-GS-500-WileyCo-Muffler-USED_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQhashZitem270166238782QQitemZ270166238782QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
Sitting for 4 years on fleabay. Ebay should start charging @ the time of listing. It will clear out these Idiots and smarten them up fast.
The sellers typically never check what their items sell for (not list for, but sell for), and buyers never fail to check what is the lowest price. If you have a POS bike lets say a ninja 650 like this one - http://atlanta.craigslist.org/mcy/1080763632.html
And a dealer is selling these 07/08's new at 4979 like this one -
And there are many other dealers - this was just 1 I knew about (they have over a dozen over there - new 07 ninja 650's) and in fact there may be even better deals had by calling Team charlotte, Corral, and other kawi stores.
http://www.cycletrader.com/find/listing/2007-Kawasaki-Ninja%26%23174%3B-650R-94815278
Guess what, like water, buyers will find the lowest. That $5200 3k miler will sit till all the $4979 new ones are sold.
Having said that whole naughty place monologue ... the 400 for the GSXR FE complete with tar, etc etc is not bad at all. I have not had any problems selling out kat FE's and even more interesting, I am selling the modded parts faster than I can make them, meaning someone is pulling the rest off ebay ... sorta explains why the cheaper decent ebay crap is almost non existent nowadays.
However it is thread dumping though, and we need to find the Joshr08 (I have his address so I seek volunteers) and spank him. :icon_twisted:So how about we have a GSTwin spank crew, complete with the shady white panel van and driver with mutton chop moustache ... and yes girls are welcome on the spanking crew, in fact we actively invite them, and we are sending a camera crew along to post it on youtoobe, myspace and other assorted slightly seedy websites. :icon_twisted:
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: 5thAve on March 26, 2009, 09:22:10 AM
Yes, but if I buy any more parts from you, Buddha, I will be a) Broke or b) bludgeoned to death by my mailman or c) both of the above
:thumb:
p.s. the thaw is starting up here. Lemme know when you want $$ for that exhaust and shock.
The kat FE business is nearly too heavy to ship IMHO.
Only special parts are - the correctly shortened stem muhahahaha ... and a carrier system for the GS guages (which I make and can be shipped anywhere for 5 bucks inside US). Its really counterproductive to spend big $ shipping these things place to place.
So, Flea bay the legs, the rotors and brake system and triples with stem, send me stem and pay for machining and the carriers and It will come back in a couple days. That may be the least expensive and most useful idea I have on this subject.
Again stem machining is 50 bucks and the bearings can be reused. You save 30 bucks with this method over a GS stem swap.
Carriers - dunno if I am making them for sale, but if I do, I'd go with 40-50 bucks. I will need to test them, I dont want to have these have a design flaw and hence not work.
Shipping 10.35 inside US. 100-110 + whatever you pay on fleabay.
Cool.
Buddha.
how big are those tube (MM) same as kat or bigger?
43mm, kat is 41.
Cool.
Buddha.
buddah
it is also pretty sh!tty to try to sell your crap in somebody else's for sale thread
Quote from: werase643 on March 27, 2009, 01:50:41 PM
buddah
it is also pretty sh!tty to try to sell your crap in somebody else's for sale thread
i'm in a really good mood this afternoon, so take this as a guy with 2.3 beers already down, another 3.5 on the way....
Dude ! It's just a for sale thread, hell it's not even yours ! C'mon down to B'ham and we'll go for spin in the twisties, when we stop at the top of the mountain and look at the view, if you want, you can Buddha Loves You about stuff people post online, and I'll check our tire pressures while you do. ;)
Seriously, this is a comparison of prices, types of front ends, and stuff.
If it really matters, you could ask a moderator to remove all the non-relevant posts (including yours) and give the thread a free bump every couple of days for a GOOD deal on a GREAT front end.
that's all (free bump)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/mossie500/hawk08.jpg)
I got bored last night and decided to get some of the questions about this FE swap answered.
Updates later tonight :thumb:
Peace!
Here is some updated info for those interested in buying this FE...
1) Before the FE can be mounted onto your frame you will need to change the steering stops on either the frame or lower triple tree. I recommend the lower triple tree because in doing so, you can easily swap back to your old forks if for whatever reason you want to do that in the future. Refer to the pictures below to better understand the issue...
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/G1.jpg)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/G2.jpg)
Now when i mounted it up last night and found this issue i had the question of, "How the hell did the guy i bought this from use this FE on the GS then?". Since the tab wasn't touched on the triple tree the only answer could be that he removed the steering stops from the bike he used it on. (The bike the FE is on in the pic was not purchased from him.) So to answer the question i went to my storage facility where i keep the bikes and checked to see if either of the frame stops have been modified. Here's what i found...
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/G3.jpg)
As you can see, the stop was totally removed and that's it. It wasn't modified to work with this triple's stop, it was just simply removed and no concern further was given to it.
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/G4.jpg)
2) The ignition/steering lock will work with the addition of a spacer 7/8" long between the lock and the top triple tree. The ignition lock will be recessed approximately 1/2" in the hoop on the top triple tree. I say approximate because the ignition i used for reference has been modified and i don't know if a unmodified one will be taller and hence not be as recessed as much. I am confident that it will not be lower than 1/2" though. See CRAZY pic below...
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/G5.jpg)
3) I did weigh both FE's. They are within a couple of pounds of each other which surprised me cause the GS stock FE looks so wimpy next to the GSXR. So wimpy i don't really even want to put it back on the bike, lol. I really expected the difference to be greater.
Got more info but no time to type it, will finish up tomorrow. Peace!
Mini update to my update. I decided to just remove the steering stop from the lower triple tree myself. It's the right way to modify it as already discussed and the only thing that's stopping me from using the FE on the bike i put it on. Of note as well is that the back of the lower triple tree actually hits the frame before any other part of the FE does. So basically, it's a steering stop. There is only about 1/4 of an inch though between parts which is a little less then i'd prefer. I have no idea what's standard for this sort of thing, but i'd think at least 1/2" would be better to allow for some flex and what not if someone bump into something or dropped the bike.
Anyone feel like measuring the distance between the closet parts with the steering at full lock for me?
I assume it will be the triple trees as long as your bars aren't going FTW on this one.
Peace
P.S. Oh man, almost forgot.
This i really would like to know.
How far off center does your front wheel turn at full lock?
I just need a good guesstimate.
It doesn't have to be spot on.
But please at least use some form of tool when trying to figure it out.
Thanks, Bob!
The closest thing on my bike (stock forks) at full lock is the lower triple. It is almost exactly 1/2 inch from hitting the frame.
Measuring the distance off center accurately in degrees is a lot harder than I thought. Well, I guess it should be since all I could come up with to measure it was a small protractor and some safety wire. I kept getting 32 degrees. I'm not too confident in it so please treat it like a guesstimate.
Hopefully someone with some real measuring skills will chime in with a more accurate number.
Hitting your frame with your lower triple is an absolutely horrible idea. Why do you think did all 5 major manufacturers and most of the minor ones (BMW, triumph, KTM, polaris, duc etc etc) have some way of stopping.
I am near about sure you will end up dinging the frame.
A thinking out of the box solution: You may be able to zip tie a chunk of car tire at the contact point on the frame or the forks. Atleast it wont tear up one or the other.
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: ineedanap on March 28, 2009, 03:16:18 PM
The closest thing on my bike (stock forks) at full lock is the lower triple. It is almost exactly 1/2 inch from hitting the frame.
Measuring the distance off center accurately in degrees is a lot harder than I thought. Well, I guess it should be since all I could come up with to measure it was a small protractor and some safety wire. I kept getting 32 degrees. I'm not too confident in it so please treat it like a guesstimate.
Hopefully someone with some real measuring skills will chime in with a more accurate number.
Thanks Nappy! Unless someone else chimes in i'll be using your info...
Quote from: The Buddha on March 29, 2009, 07:32:11 AM
Hitting your frame with your lower triple is an absolutely horrible idea. Why do you think did all 5 major manufacturers and most of the minor ones (BMW, triumph, KTM, polaris, duc etc etc) have some way of stopping.
I am near about sure you will end up dinging the frame.
A thinking out of the box solution: You may be able to zip tie a chunk of car tire at the contact point on the frame or the forks. Atleast it wont tear up one or the other.
Cool.
Buddha.
Agreed. The final solution would be to weld two stops on the lower triple like the stock GS. That's why i asked about degrees off center for the steering as well as the space between parts at full lock. So i'd have a good idea of what's, "Normal" and go from there.
I like the tire idea. Good suggestion. But something i've found in my life is it's much easier to just do it the right way. And weld some tabs up is it.
The stops aren't a super priority for me right now because the only time they'll be used is when the bike is parked and the handle bars are swung to the left. Which is why i was happy to find that the frame would act like a stop and prevent any parts from getting together. Well, any parts from hitting my showroom quality tank that is. And until i get them on, i will just be slow and careful when i park the bike. Although i'm inexperienced in modifying/mechanics on the GS, i do have 24 years of riding experience so the stops just aren't an issue for me.
Something interesting i found last night too while searching for different year lower triples made by Suzuki is, the dual stop like the stock GS has become the norm on all models pretty much starting from what looks like 91/2 ish to date. (I missed it by [ ] that much!) I also found lower triples from newer GSXR's that resemble the top triple i have better. I'm not sure if they'd match up, but for someone interested in making a showpiece it would definitely be a better route to go.
If no one stops me by buying this FE from me first, i'm essentially going turn it into a bolt on. It's going to appeal to more buyers that way, but unfortunately also raise my asking price. Which will make it less appealing to some buyers...
Rock and a hard place?
Dammed if i do and if i don't?
It's not the fall but the sudden stop at the bottom? (Ok, this one doesn't fit the theme but i couldn't think of anymore cliche's that did, lol)
Quote from: The Buddha on March 27, 2009, 07:10:14 AM
We do that all the time to fleabay dirt bags.
However its their option to publish it. Only a fool ignores what the rest of the market is doing and prices things out of proportion with what the market will bear.
Like this piece of sheite -
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-Suzuki-GS-500-WileyCo-Muffler-USED_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQhashZitem270166238782QQitemZ270166238782QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
Sitting for 4 years on fleabay. Ebay should start charging @ the time of listing. It will clear out these Idiots and
Yeah, hell when you originalljy did the flanges the 60 i spent for mine was it worth it. Maybe I got a bad one but mine leaks like an SOB
Thanks for having principles Werase643. And especially for sharing them. I appreciate the effort. :cheers:
Quote from: average on March 29, 2009, 01:49:07 PM
Quote from: The Buddha on March 27, 2009, 07:10:14 AM
We do that all the time to fleabay dirt bags.
However its their option to publish it. Only a fool ignores what the rest of the market is doing and prices things out of proportion with what the market will bear.
Like this piece of sheite -
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-Suzuki-GS-500-WileyCo-Muffler-USED_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQhashZitem270166238782QQitemZ270166238782QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
Sitting for 4 years on fleabay. Ebay should start charging @ the time of listing. It will clear out these Idiots and
Yeah, hell when you originalljy did the flanges the 60 i spent for mine was it worth it. Maybe I got a bad one but mine leaks like an SOB
Well the flange was always leaking or did it start now ?
I had these offset ones (the plate is round and not triangularly ovally shaped) ... anyway if that is what yours is, I think you may have to get new gaskets on and torque it back down.
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: Big Shot on March 29, 2009, 01:22:00 PM
Agreed. The final solution would be to weld two stops on the lower triple like the stock GS. That's why i asked about degrees off center for the steering as well as the space between parts at full lock. So i'd have a good idea of what's, "Normal" and go from there.
I like the tire idea. Good suggestion. But something i've found in my life is it's much easier to just do it the right way. And weld some tabs up is it.
No. Weld to the middle of that lower triple and you will really really run the risk of having that damn thing break in 1/2 under stress. Its OK to weld a little thin area around the stem like the factory did, its a very shallow weld with low heat, but try to put a stub for a steering stop on that weird ass Iron based cast metal and you really can screw it up.
You are better off welding to the steeing neck, but that means you may have to get that frame out in the open, un seat the lower race etc etc.
Cool.
Buddha.
the reason for the stops is to keep from tapping the tank with the h-bars
also when crashing you might get your hand pinched
what would the advantage be to swapping my forks on my gs for these other than gaining clip ons?
Stopping power? Being the GS inovator(sp) in your hood? :dunno_black:
stopping power? how do forks affect that?
They don't, but that caliper does. The GS caliper has only 2 pistons per caliper, while that Nissin has dual opposed pistons; 4 per caliper.
Quote from: TheDrunknmonky on March 29, 2009, 06:07:15 PM
what would the advantage be to swapping my forks on my gs for these other than gaining clip ons?
The brake calipers on these forks are better than the GS's. The GS has 2 pistons and these have four. Simply put, they work much much better. :thumb:
These forks offer adjustment for preload, compression, and rebound. The GS's do not.
These forks are 43mm thick and do not flex under aggressive driving situations. The GS's are 37mm thick and flex more than a bodybuilder in front of a mirror.
These forks were designed to do this. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7848723937557327814&hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7848723937557327814&hl=en) The GS's were not.
The video shows Katana forks. These GSXR forks are better than those.
Quoting Werase643
43 mm built like a brick sh!t house===> NO FLEX until you hit that truck
sweet front end.....100 times nicer than a Katana f/e
More info can be found here... http://wiki.gstwins.com/index.php?n=Upgrades.FrontForks
There isn't a GSXR write up yet.
When it's all said and done, i hope to have one made.
Bob
I'd pitch in here and say atleast 3 things that make this less than 1000 times nicer than a Kat fe.
1. nothing you do will let this run your guages in the stock position with the original grommets. Only a kat 600 89-95 will work for that. None of the 750's and not even the later 600's.
2. Single caliper. Kat 600 is dual with 4 pistons per. Main advantage is not performance, its brake disk and pad life. A standard GS can lock its tar no matter what tar you have, past that caliper aint doing nothing.
3. Fork brace and fender off a GS fit the kat and look better than the kat ones. They dont on this.
3.5 - Clip on's under the triple isn't my preferred location. I prefer over the triple. But ... its an old man's opinion.
This after you mod the triple for a steering stop. I still like my car tire idea though.
Having said all that, its a good FE. Just dont over sell it. Maybe you should sell it @ the katana/bandit site also.
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: The Buddha on March 30, 2009, 07:47:36 AM
I'd pitch in here and say atleast 3 things that make this less than 1000 times nicer than a Kat fe.
1. nothing you do will let this run your guages in the stock position with the original grommets. Only a kat 600 89-95 will work for that. None of the 750's and not even the later 600's.
2. Single caliper. Kat 600 is dual with 4 pistons per. Main advantage is not performance, its brake disk and pad life. A standard GS can lock its tar no matter what tar you have, past that caliper aint doing nothing.
3. Fork brace and fender off a GS fit the kat and look better than the kat ones. They dont on this.
3.5 - Clip on's under the triple isn't my preferred location. I prefer over the triple. But ... its an old man's opinion.
This after you mod the triple for a steering stop. I still like my car tire idea though.
Having said all that, its a good FE. Just dont over sell it. Maybe you should sell it @ the katana/bandit site also.
Cool.
Buddha.
:nono: Them are fighting words Buddha! But it'll have to wait until later tonight when i done wrenching...
Bob!
Not fighting nothing. I was just stating fact. Much like you saying these are 43mm and GS is 37. No disputes there ...
I have been in GSXR crap to my eyeballs. Katana too.
Cool.
Buddha.
Alright, later tonight came a lot sooner than i thought it would. It's cold outside!!! I detest the cold!!! So here i am :icon_mrgreen:
First off, i just want to say that i have nothing but the utmost respect for you Buddha. Like your name implies, you have enlightened us all here on the forums with your years of experience wrenching on bikes/the GS. And without your willingness to share it, i wouldn't be able to post this info here today. :cheers: X a Keg!
I'd pitch in here and say at least 3 things that make this less than 1000 times nicer than a Kat FE.
No one said it was 1000 times better, just 100...
1. Nothing you do will let you run your gauges in the stock position with the original grommets. Only a Kat 600 89-95 will work. None of the 750's and not even the later 600's.
The stock position of the gauges is in front of the top triple tree. I guarantee i can have the GS gauges installed with minimal work there.
With the original grommets?.. Is that really necessary?.. All that matters is if i like it. Or if the purchaser of this FE likes it.
But, maybe i'm missing something. Can you post your finished Kat FE with GS gauges installed?
Including all angles necessary to understand why the Kat FE is better than the GSXR in this regard?
Thanks!
2. Single caliper. Kat 600 is dual with 4 pistons per. Main advantage is not performance, its brake disk and pad life. A standard GS can lock its tar no matter what tar you have, past that caliper ain't doing nothing.
OK... So, the dual disc and pad system of the Katana's FE will reduce the wear and tear on the brake components by half... (I don't have the testing equipment needed to determine the different set-ups life expectancy, but until you show me some that says otherwise, i'm going to assume it's half.) So instead of replacing 1 pad a year, i'll be replacing 2 pads ever other year?.. Assuming both FE's pads cost the same, there is no cost saving... I'm sry, but i'm not seeing a benefit here :dunno_white:
Secondly, about this a whole 1 rotor/caliper issue vs 2 on the Kat. The GSXR FE that i have for sale can have a 2nd rotor and caliper installed if the purchaser wants too. But, that's his business and not mine. And yes, i know it will cost more money so please don't inform me of that fact, i'm well aware.
Also, i had to ask myself why would the guy who i bought this FE from have just one rotor on it. Since it was used for the race track, my assumption is that it was for weight savings. He obviously felt that 1 rotor provided him all the braking power that he needed and that the second one would just be extra weight. Extra weight = bad for going fast. I know you know that.
And lastly, when you state that, "A standard GS can lock its tar no matter what tar you have, past that caliper ain't doing nothing." You are absolutely right... But are so misinforming people!!! Yes, a GS brake system can lock up the front tire. And yes, once a tire is locked up whatever additional pressure a caliper can exert on the rotor is useless. But what about everything up until the point of lock up? What about brake feel? What about one doing a better job of letting the user know how close they are to a point of lock up? Because, when you're letting it all hang out pushing your bike to it's limits you do not want the front tire to lock the f up!!! I know you know that.
Now, i have read in different places here and there on the net about the EXCELLENT BRAKE FEEL! the braking system on this GSXR FE i have for sale has. And why shouldn't it? It was installed on a sport bike! What about your Kat FE brakes? Can it make the same claim? Nope! The Katana is nothing but a bottom feeder. It's not a sport bike, it's a look alike!
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/KatVsGsxr.jpg)
To sum up the brake issue...
GSXR BRAKES ARE DESIGNED FOR PERFORMANCE
KATANA BRAKES ARE NOT
3. Fork brace and fender off a GS fit the Kat and look better than the Kat ones. They don't on this.
The GS fork brace and fender fitting the Kat FE i'll take your word for, and assume it is true. As far as it looking better than the Kat components... That's your opinion, and not a fact.
Now, since it's just your opinion that the GS components look better on the FE than the Kat ones do, it really is irrelevant that they don't fit on the GSXR and doesn't support your argument.
3.5 - Clip on's under the triple isn't my preferred location. I prefer over the triple. But ... its an old man's opinion.
Agreed... Sort of. I'm an old man too or at least i consider myself one. (34) Anyways, one thing i liked about the GS is the relaxed non-sport bike like riding position. But, i have to admit, the ergonomics of this FE on the bike doesn't feel bad to me. I'm 6'1" tall and have a couple of 89 clip ons that i tried out on the bike which i absolutely hated. Kinda weird huh? This FE has a farther reach for me than the 89 clip-ons but it feels better.
As far as installing the clip-ons over the top triple. That was my first instinct. (Because i'm an old man) But the stem prevents the top triple from dropping down any further than where it's at now. All that needs to be done is reduce the stem diameter to allow the top triple to slide down more or open up the top triple to allow it to slide down more. This isn't high on my list at the moment but possibly i can see myself doing something with it.
Having said all that, its a good FE. Just dont over sell it. Maybe you should sell it @ the Katana/bandit site also.
Thanks for the advice about the other sites. When i'm all done turning this into a bolt on for the GS, if i don't want to keep it for myself, i'll post it up there.
As far as don't over sell it? No problem. I'll stop over selling it just as soon as you stop trying to convince people you're offering them the same thing only better.
Thanks, Bob!
(http://www.octaneonline.com/img/culmination5.jpg)
(http://www.octaneonline.com/img/culmination3.jpg)
(http://www.octaneonline.com/img/culmination2.jpg)
I really love the warning lights fabbed up into the top triple like that...
Looks real clean :thumb:
Bob
http://picasaweb.google.com/srinath.the.man/KatFEPics#
This was one I did last year. I have a less intrusive method now. Yes anyone can throw some crap on it, but fitting it without the stock grommets transmits a lot of vibration to the guages making it a little noisy and very bouncy. Hard mounts are not for the chinzy plastic the guages are made from.
You'd prolly weld up tabs and screw it on. The problems with that are ...
1. It will look like crap. This looks like it came from the factory. I powdercoat them black cos welding ruins the clear coat and makes it like it got caramelised. However I ahve a contraption I am making that will work on it without having to weld and will keep the triple looking nice and shiny like stock. However I prefer that all black look though. The problem with either of these 2 methods - it wont work on anything but 89-95 Kat 600 triples.
2. Vibration and subsequent crap falling apart sooner than it would have. Oddly, GS'es have a lot of junk parts on them, but I happen to think they have a beautiful set of guages. Not too eager to ruin those or mangle them to fit a front end. 2 nice symmetric booby shaped guages, cant beat that.
Brakes. Brake wear isn't linear, By your logic, you'd have the same life as a GS caliper/pad combo. Which I know its not. In a gs caliper 75% of the wear is in the inside pad and on the inside of the rotor. The static pad. I suspeck its due to the fact that as you hit the brakes your FE turns left forcing harder contact with that inner pad. 1 caliper with dual opposed pistons will actually make it worse. That's just a theory.
This FE was on a race bike, which actually makes it only marginally suitable for the street.
Octane's bike had a vortex top triple BTW and I believe he had GSXR 600 99-02 forks on his. I know him well, and I have a GSXR 750 I bought off him when I met him, the day werase643 crashed at VIR in 2004 and I am almost sure octane bought the triple already drilled. Otherwise we dont like to drill into our triple clamps.
I have hacked up a lot of front end's for fitting to a GS, the final conclusion for a street GS with everythign requiring to work as intended, and even look like it came from the factory - katana 600 89-95.
Your front end I believe is remarkably similar to a katana 1100 where that lower triple has that stop in front, and the legs are RF600/900 - I have to check to be sure. But on a street bike, everything has to work. Lock, guages, headlight turnsignals - look @ my FE in the other pics, I have working headlight, heck I used the GS500 headlight.
There is a reason the front fender and fork brace need to fit off a GS500. Less parts to buy and ship and paint to match.
Converting a kat 600 89-95 FE onto a GS - You need to buy only 5 parts. Brake system, legs, triple assy with clip on's and axle. Everything else comes from the GS. Better yet, only parts to be modded, used to be stem and top triple, now its just stem, and only part needed that isn't ebay available is the guage grommet carriers. I dunno if I'd make and sell, but I may.
Using GS parts when needed, and leaving other GS parts intact makes for a cheaper conversion, it also makes for a easy reversal. I sold the FE off one bike when I decided that its not getting the 650 motor cos I didn't want to weld to the powdercoated frame.
The point of reference for cost if someone were to compare - the fleabay $$ with shipping for the 5 components I mentioned, + 100 bucks if someone was sending it to me for triple welding or buying carriers off me and stem machining. On a street GS that is what I'd do, and I have over a dozen times.
Cool.
Buddha.
http://picasaweb.google.com/srinath.the.man/KatFEPics#
Thanks for posting these. I'm not sure if you have more, but i'm interested in seeing the actual modified parts/mounting points.
This was one I did last year. I have a less intrusive method now. Yes anyone can throw some crap on it, but fitting it without the stock grommets transmits a lot of vibration to the guages making it a little noisy and very bouncy. Hard mounts are not for the chinzy plastic the guages are made from.
You'd prolly weld up tabs and screw it on. The problems with that are ...
1. It will look like crap.
Uhhhh... Thanks?
This looks like it came from the factory. I powdercoat them black cos welding ruins the clear coat and makes it like it got caramelised. However I ahve a contraption I am making that will work on it without having to weld and will keep the triple looking nice and shiny like stock. However I prefer that all black look though. The problem with either of these 2 methods - it wont work on anything but 89-95 Kat 600 triples.
It seems to mate up well. Looks factory-esk. I'm not a fan of the black myself but you explained why you're doing it. Was restoring the silver/grey clear coated finish just too much work for you? And I'm glad to hear you have a new contraption that will give you more flexibility in the future.
2. Vibration and subsequent crap falling apart sooner than it would have. Oddly, GS'es have a lot of junk parts on them, but I happen to think they have a beautiful set of guages. Not too eager to ruin those or mangle them to fit a front end. 2 nice symmetric booby shaped guages, cant beat that.
"Oddly, GS'es have a lot of junk parts on them."... That made me laugh! And the gauges/housing are just alright to me. They aren't bad, but they aren't spectacular either. I'd have no problem improving upon the design from an aesthetic point of view. Bigger boobies maybe?
Brakes. Brake wear isn't linear, By your logic, you'd have the same life as a GS caliper/pad combo. Which I know its not. In a gs caliper 75% of the wear is in the inside pad and on the inside of the rotor. The static pad. I suspeck its due to the fact that as you hit the brakes your FE turns left forcing harder contact with that inner pad. 1 caliper with dual opposed pistons will actually make it worse. That's just a theory.
Ya, there isn't much i can say here about the wear cost savings thing between the KAT/GSXR brake systems. We both simply don't have the necessary data. And if we deferred to the most qualified expert on this issue, that be you and i'd lose the argument. The only thing i can say, is that the GSXR brake system was designed for performance, and the KAT system wasn't.
This FE was on a race bike, which actually makes it only marginally suitable for the street.
What it's good for is up to the person that owns and is using it.
Octane's bike had a vortex top triple BTW and I believe he had GSXR 600 99-02 forks on his. I know him well, and I have a GSXR 750 I bought off him when I met him, the day werase643 crashed at VIR in 2004 and I am almost sure octane bought the triple already drilled. Otherwise we dont like to drill into our triple clamps.
The Vortex top triple looks like the GSXR top triple that looks like the, "Sport Bike" top triple made for many years of bikes by different manufactures... "We dont like to drill into our triple clamps." Where's your sense of adventure?
Your front end I believe is remarkably similar to a katana 1100 where that lower triple has that stop in front, and the legs are RF600/900 - I have to check to be sure. But on a street bike, everything has to work. Lock, guages, headlight turnsignals - look @ my FE in the other pics, I have working headlight, heck I used the GS500 headlight.
I'll say it again, "Where's your sense of adventure?"
There is a reason the front fender and fork brace need to fit off a GS500. Less parts to buy and ship and paint to match.
Paint to match crossed my mind. But if you want to play you have to pay i believe the saying goes...
Converting a kat 600 89-95 FE onto a GS - You need to buy only 5 parts. Brake system, legs, triple assy with clip on's and axle. Everything else comes from the GS. Better yet, only parts to be modded, used to be stem and top triple, now its just stem, and only part needed that isn't ebay available is the guage grommet carriers. I dunno if I'd make and sell, but I may.
Using GS parts when needed, and leaving other GS parts intact makes for a cheaper conversion, it also makes for a easy reversal. I sold the FE off one bike when I decided that its not getting the 650 motor cos I didn't want to weld to the powdercoated frame.
The point of reference for cost if someone were to compare - the fleabay $$ with shipping for the 5 components I mentioned, + 100 bucks if someone was sending it to me for triple welding or buying carriers off me and stem machining. On a street GS that is what I'd do, and I have over a dozen times.
I didn't expect that i'd end up here when i first posted this FE for sale, but i'm here none the less...
DO NOT BUY THIS GSXR FE FROM ME!!!
AND DO NOT BUY THE KAT FE FROM BUDDHA!!!
BUY BETTER SPRINGS AND CHANGE YOUR FORK OIL WEIGHT ON YOUR STOCK SHOCKS!!!
Because it retains all of the stock parts and is the cheapest way to improve the FE performance on your, "Street" driven GS.
Anything else, would be overkill and a waste :thumb:
Oh wait, it's not my business what you do with your bike unless you ask me my opinion...
Bob!
Stock forks with progressives is a total waste of $$$ IMHO. Both yours or a kat FE are ones that I'd consider spending $$ on.
Sorry I dont have more pics. The black works with the overall theme better IMHO, and my powder guy does that very very often, so I get to piggy back on stuff without paying for a color change or his 5lb minimim. I can do clear and make it look like original again, however ... he never does clear, cos no one else wants their sheite powdercoated clear.
I have welded to that triple, the triples are cast aluminum, the ears are cast aluminum, its got more unknown metal than actual aluminum. It will weld up like someone puked on it. Anyway That welding now is obsolete, Bolt on ears are the next iteration.
That bolt on ear will be black but 99% invisible.
Open up your caliper and see if either of the pads are wearing at an angle. Dont check pads that have 1 race weekend on them. Check one ~1/2 way worn. Anything that is like that is a sign your caliper is getting pulled to one side.
On my virago 36mm forks 2 piston calipers - opposed pistons but 1 pair in each caliper and one per leg, went to 90% done in 25K miles and I checked it at that time to find it literally worn straight. Opposed pistons on each leg works best. The disk is still going strong, looks new at 28K miles, and my 89GS had a dead disk @30K, and I had swapped one set of pads at 10 and one at 20 and one more @30. the virago pads are much smaller than the GS too. In a GS all the wear is on the inside pad.
A GSXR forks may have been built for performance but, it was built for a GSXR and it has to have all of its components to still be built for performance. 1/2 the stuff is missing and its been fitted to a bike 1/2 the size, you're not going to get its effect.
A katana is a "hand me down bike" its got one generation older than yours, however its complete and being used as it was intended.
I had more pics, search for some pics by average (though his pic shows some rather aggressive shaving after I sent to him).
Anyway, no more shaving needed.
Cool.
Buddha.
BTW I am not really selling kat FE's - I machine up stems and I used to weld up triples. I guess now I could sell the mount ears, though I envision that as a very thin market.
Some people know I have kat FE's for my use and ask me for it.
Cool.
Buddha.
Tomorrow should be fun. I'm gonna go to a local motorcycle junk yard of sorts. They're not in the habit of letting people walk their yard but i've gotten permission from the owner to do so. Anybody know of any bikes with single sided swing arms that make for a fairly easy/good mod on the GS that i should keep my eye out for? How about steering dampers?
Thanks, Bob!
I'm pretty sure that there aren't any steering dampners from other bikes that bolt up. Most that I've seen had to be modded to work but anything is possible. As far as the pics of my top triple; here they go
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x162/average_01/srinathtriple003.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x162/average_01/srinathtriple006.jpg)
As you can see; I didnt think that the triple would grip very well so I decided to grind of some material. These pieces weren't initially PC so I went to town on them. I put a few coats of semi gloss import paint to give them a nice finish.
O0
Thanks Average. And that reminds me, anyone have an extra blue high beam indicator light cover?
Bob :thumb:
somebody post this in the TF so i can blast budduh....... must be nice..... :icon_twisted:......must be helpful..... :-X
the reason the GS brakes suck is the slider pin caliper design
it has crap feel.....for racing....
it will turn a rotor into a frisbee in a very short time due to uneven heating from side to side of disc
um...ah........budduh...crap have to stop.........dang :confused:
hey bigshot. Are you thinking of cutting a set of gauge ears off of a stock triple? If you want them I have a stock triple in my recycle bin. I'll send it to you if you want.
I proofread this time :D
Quote from: werase643 on March 31, 2009, 04:57:22 PM
somebody post this in the TF so i can blast budduh....... must be nice..... :icon_twisted:......must be helpful..... :-X
the reason the GS brakes suck is the slider pin caliper design
it has crap feel.....for racing....
it will turn a rotor into a frisbee in a very short time due to uneven heating from side to side of disc
um...ah........budduh...crap have to stop.........dang :confused:
Bwaaaa hahahahahahahah ...
The rotor already a frisbee ... muhahahahahah .... hahahahaha ... hahahaha ...
GS brakes suck on the street for longevity and on the track for feel ... K crap all around.
Tard farm ... why you little, I'll tard farm you. Ban from all except tard farm. Confer the title of tardo supremo on you ... and make you admin of tard farm ... :o
BTW GS fork legs are also made out of refined cat shaZam!, so they rust if you even mention rain.
The ears off a GS triple weld up to a katana triple easier, and no you dont have to grind off as much as average did. Just a shade will have been sufficient. But like I said ... no more welding or grinding. I actually had this triple back from average and after I powdercoated it, that was what was on that red bike I sold last year.
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: ineedanap on March 31, 2009, 05:58:03 PM
hey bigshot. Are you thinking of cutting a set of gauge ears off of a stock triple? If you want them I have a stock triple in my recycle bin. I'll send it to you if you want.
I proofread this time :D
Thanks buddy, but i've got about 3-4 of those things already. Save it for someone that really needs it...
Quote from: Big Shot on March 30, 2009, 08:36:51 PM
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/KatVsGsxr.jpg)
Muahahahaha ... same calipers on a kat FE X 2, so ...
What's stopping you ...
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/KatVsGsxr.jpg)+(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/KatVsGsxr.jpg)
Cool.
Buddha.
Oh really Buddha? Please explain yourself. In what way are they the same calipers?
You are so busted, Bob!
Made by nissin too.
Cool.
Buddha.
The 89-00 GS brakes also were nissin's BTW, nissin isn;t a magic word, nothing special about that.
Cool.
Buddha.
Dang... I thought i had you! Might be made by the same company, but they are not the same caliper...
Notice the big, "GSXR" written in the corner on any of the pictures?
Nice Try, Bob!
Nissin may not be a magic word Buddha, but it still stands that the calipers on this GSXR FE of mine are better than the calipers on your FAT KAT crap...
And every other part of the brake system too...
Why you trying to convince people otherwise?
Just wondering...
Bob!
Quote from: Big Shot on April 01, 2009, 09:02:45 AM
Nissin may not be a magic word Buddha, but it still stands that the calipers on this GSXR FE of mine are better than the calipers on your FAT KAT crap...
And every other part of the brake system too...
Why you trying to convince people otherwise?
Just wondering...
Bob!
I dont thnk so ... what are you basing that its better on ?
89-95 kat mind you, not 98 ... and you putting up a tiger and a lazy cat makes no difference, your calipers - mind you calipers ... Plural ... Both of the calipers - CALIPERS - are about the same as the katana ones for 89-95.
Its not even a fat cat that you have, its a fat cat with 2 missing paws that you have.
Put up any fancy pics as you please, that will easily confuse the gstwinners and they'd buy the fat cat with 2 missing legs.
Like I said, you're really over selling it. And doing it badly.
Cool.
Buddha.
Uh huh...
The pic?
Just wanted a laugh.
And i know i got it from somebody!
Peace, Bob!
Sheesh, do I have to do everything around here ... WTF sorta defense is that.
Katana rotors are 280 mm, the GSXR1100 ones which by extension means yours are 295 (someone told me this a few seconds ago, he may have mis measured my GSXR) maybe 300 mm.
Slotted rotors dont work as well, especially in the wet. Drilled is way better. But you can drill it.
Yes your brakes are better, but its got nothing to do with your calipers.
Cool.
Buddha.
Now that we're getting things cleared up, you wanna tell everyone that your full of chit about this comment too?
"Your front end I believe is remarkably similar to a Katana 1100 where that lower triple has that stop in front, and the legs are RF600/900."
Bob!
Oh yea ... everything I said was wrong, always was, always will be ... does that really flatter your ego, can you sleep better now.
Clown ...
Katana 1100 lower triple -
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUZUKI-1991-GSX-1100-GSX1100-KATANA-LOWER-TRIPLE-TREE-p_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem290280953006QQitemZ290280953006QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
RF900 forks
http://cgi.ebay.com/SUZUKI-RF900-FRONT-FORKS-RF-900-B419_W0QQitemZ260363412292QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Motorcycle_Parts?hash=item260363412292&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177
RF900 seal sizes - scroll to RF900
http://www.cyclewareables.com/pages/street_motorcycle_fork_seals/fork_seals.htm
I know more about that front end than you do and like I said, overselling, why dont you say it will make you longer, thicker and harder too ... that is all that you seem to have missed out. That is a significant GSTwinner complaint, I myself am suffering bad.
Kat 1100 lower triple and RF900 legs ... I guess slap a RF caliper set .. .wonder what RF triples look like, may be a suitable and easier swap over.
BTW RF was pretty high end, you cannot call it a fat Kat, sorry buddy ... its the bike that wasn't cos suzuki didn't develop it.
Cool.
Buddha.
OK before I start getting bugged about RF900 forks.
They should drop in and have the steering stops in the right location, they also have the same bearings as a GS, so stem machining is all that be needed.
However they have the katana 750 style upper triple ... so guage fitment is not going to work like stock (or like a kat 600).
So there ... 43mm larger rotors, etc etc etc ... whatever ... neck and thread the stem or spacer it and it should go on there.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/94-SUZUKI-RF900-RF-900-RF900RR-FORK-SET-8_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQhashZitem260369369480QQitemZ260369369480QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
225 - no connection to the seller ... I can machine the stem, however I have never done it before nor have I actually even seen it before in close detail.
Need rotors and caliper for sure and may be wheel and fender.
Steering Lock - no clue
Guages - No clue, but prolly not.
Cool.
Buddha.
buddha, what about bandit forks :p
Never done em. I really only have machined and fitted Katana 600 ones.
In any case - Last resort is making a new stem for anything and as long as its got 30 mm lower bearings (most of the suzuki's do all the way to 2009) it should fit. However guages, ignition lock, steering stops etc etc etc ... you're very much gambling.
So put up a pic or 3 ... I could tell you what to do.
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: The Buddha on April 01, 2009, 10:33:55 AM
Oh yea ... everything I said was wrong, always was, always will be ... does that really flatter your ego, can you sleep better now.
Clown ...
Katana 1100 lower triple -
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUZUKI-1991-GSX-1100-GSX1100-KATANA-LOWER-TRIPLE-TREE-p_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem290280953006QQitemZ290280953006QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
RF900 forks
http://cgi.ebay.com/SUZUKI-RF900-FRONT-FORKS-RF-900-B419_W0QQitemZ260363412292QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Motorcycle_Parts?hash=item260363412292&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177
RF900 seal sizes - scroll to RF900
http://www.cyclewareables.com/pages/street_motorcycle_fork_seals/fork_seals.htm
I know more about that front end than you do and like I said, overselling, why dont you say it will make you longer, thicker and harder too ... that is all that you seem to have missed out. That is a significant GSTwinner complaint, I myself am suffering bad.
Kat 1100 lower triple and RF900 legs ... I guess slap a RF caliper set .. .wonder what RF triples look like, may be a suitable and easier swap over.
BTW RF was pretty high end, you cannot call it a fat Kat, sorry buddy ... its the bike that wasn't cos suzuki didn't develop it.
Cool.
Buddha.
Clown...
Strike one!
Oh yea ... everything I said was wrong, always was, always will be ... does that really flatter your ego, can you sleep better now.
Yes Buddha, when you talk out your ass i do sleep better knowing that the people reading this thread understand that. Especially since i have a item for sale in it.
Katana 1100 lower triple - (link to item on eBay provided by Buddha)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUZUKI-1991-GSX-1100-GSX1100-KATANA-LOWER-TRIPLE-TREE-p_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem290280953006QQitemZ290280953006QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
(picture of 1991 Katana 1100 lower triple from Buddha's eBay link)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/1991KATTRIPLEeBAy-1.jpg)
(picture of 1991 Katana 1100 lower triple from BikeBandit(dot)com)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/1991KatanaBB.gif)
Look at the portion where the fork leg passes through the triple.
I circled it in red on your example picture from eBay.
It's flush or close to it.
Now lets look at mine. (original picture from this thread)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/FE017-1.jpg)
(picture of GSXR lower triple from BikeBandit(dot)com)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/GSXRLTrip.gif)
What you failed to notice is that the triple is raised up in this area on mine.
And although they look similar, there are several other differences as well.
But i don't need to point them out to you, because "You know more about this front end than i do."
Isn't that what you said?
Strike Two!!!
RF900 forks - (link to item on eBay provided by Buddha)
http://cgi.ebay.com/SUZUKI-RF900-FRONT-FORKS-RF-900-B419_W0QQitemZ260363412292QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Motorcycle_Parts?hash=item260363412292&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177
(picture of RF900 forks from Buddha's eBay link)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/RF900-1.jpg)
Show me the adjuster for compression on the fork?
Go ahead, I'll wait...
What?
You can't?
IT'S NOT f%$king THERE?!!
WHAT THE f%$k?!!
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/FE006-1.jpg)
Oh Wait!
I THINK I FOUND IT!
What's this?
Oh, its my original picture from this thread.
That's where the compression adjuster for the fork is hiding.
On my GSXR forks!
But i don't really need to point that out to you do i?
Because, "You know more about this front end than i do."
STRIKE THREE!!!!!
Ignorance is bliss Buddha...
Sit back, relax, and drink the Kool-Aid my friend!
Bob!
Quote from: The Buddha on April 01, 2009, 10:41:45 AM
OK before I start getting bugged about RF900 forks.
They should drop in and have the steering stops in the right location, they also have the same bearings as a GS, so stem machining is all that be needed.
However they have the katana 750 style upper triple ... so guage fitment is not going to work like stock (or like a kat 600).
So there ... 43mm larger rotors, etc etc etc ... whatever ... neck and thread the stem or spacer it and it should go on there.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/94-SUZUKI-RF900-RF-900-RF900RR-FORK-SET-8_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQhashZitem260369369480QQitemZ260369369480QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
225 - no connection to the seller ... I can machine the stem, however I have never done it before nor have I actually even seen it before in close detail.
Need rotors and caliper for sure and may be wheel and fender.
Steering Lock - no clue
Guages - No clue, but prolly not.
Cool.
Buddha.
Hey tard, no one is asking you about this in my GSXR FE for sale thread!
And honestly?
Why anyone would waste there money buying anything from you is beyond me.
Your work is half ass.
I guess they just like the taste of the Kool-aid too.
Bob!
Quote from: psyber_0ptix on April 01, 2009, 10:58:24 AM
buddha, what about bandit forks :p
Thanks... :technical:
big shot didn't try to push the item until he started getting bashed by josh and Budduh
it's a F/E
it's for sale
it is better than a kat 600 F/E
it is not a RF900 F/E.... I know... I have one of them also
it is posted with all info that appears to be correct from description and pics
it was not posted as a direct swap for a gs.....
it is easy to modify to fit, but many are too lazy to do the work and want it their way
it is not a GhettoFABBed powdercoated whatever
BIG SHOT post it over on WERA BBS
it is a great F/E swap for many small bore bikes
it is not worth the fight dealing with A$$CLOWNS
this post need to go to the TF..... it is that bad
WELCOME TO GS TWIN.......FUC* YOU ...... the borg(collective twinners) is/are better than you......ya'll come back for more love and sunshine
and we wonder why people leave?????????
why am i getting pulled back in on this if you notice a$$clown i havent posted in this thread since the first page so $crew yourself i sent big shot a pm so lets not pull people back in when they have been out for 3 pages of posts. :nono:
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/GSXRTABCUT016.jpg)
Spacer on steering stem. Not sure if it was made for this purpose or a piece taken from somewhere else. The reason i say this is because it looks pretty refined for a backyard enthusiast. I'll get a better shot of it off the bike when i get a chance.
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/GSXRTABCUT014.jpg)
Space between parts at steering lock.
Cant tell but are the bars touching the tank in that pic?
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/GSXRTABCUT010.jpg)
Where the lower triple meets the frame at full steering lock and the original steering stop removed from the lower triple.
Quote from: average on April 01, 2009, 04:25:56 PM
Cant tell but are the bars touching the tank in that pic?
Nope. My hand can be on the throttle and move it through it's rotation without any interference from the tank with the bars at full lock in this picture. It's tight, but comfortable. And wouldn't smash the hands if accidentally swung into this postilion. If the bars needed to be swept back more, new steering stops would need to be made to prevent the bars from turning so far. No big deal. And i plan to do it. If no one buys this from me first.
The lower triple is aluminum. Buddha has said that it will not weld easily. I guess we'll find out :cookoo:
Bob!
P.S. Poor Average, i guess his momma never called him Special! :thumb:
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/GSXRTABCUT007.jpg)
From the back.
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/GSXRTABCUT002.jpg)
Front (prolly can get a better picture but if you squint you get the idea... IT LOOKS GOOD!)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/MNNNM/GSXRTABCUT004.jpg)
Side
Enhance your calm,buddy :cheers: The closeup pic of the FE at lock doesnt really show if it was touching or not. Looks good. Hope you sell it but alot of us ride GSes because their pretty cheap to be had and maintain. Good luck with the sell.
I should have this all together soon so i'll have better pictures for you...
Just need it to get warm!
Peace, Bob!
Million mistakes including what I said. I didnlt say it will not weld easily, I only said it should't be welded to.
There is a reason they dont weld to aluminum things that take shock and more importantly, its not aluminum ... its cast aluminum, it can be any damn thing - aluminum based mystery metal.
Gone are the missing caliper the missing steering locks ... maybe people buy from me cos I dunno, they like all of that.
Ooooo you have compresison damping ... Ooooooo ...
Guess you dont need the brake system then. O I forgot, 1 disk cos its lighter.
The spacer well beautiful pics - I should give you that ... but ... but ... but ... where is the dust cover ... bearings need that to be protected from the elements.
I have yanked front ends off bikes that had been lying face down in the dirt for years. Rusty fork legs among other things, only to find intact - great bearings and stem. The dust seal, very very vital to save both the upper and lower bearings.
Maybe people like their bearings to I dunno ... not rust.
One more time for the hard of comprehension ... I am not selling a front end, and I have only sold 2 ever almost a year ago to GSTwin people (active) and I am not selling one now.
No kool-aid, no selling nothing. I machine your stem. I have done several of that.
I make carriers ears for your triple to run guages. Get that ... nothing to sell. Dont need to ship big heavy parts to 100 different places.
Cool.
Buddha.
Oh I forgot - Dgyver and werase taught me how to do FE swaps less than 2 years ago. I have seen some of their spacer fitted FE's and all I can say is, they are works of art, and most importantly they still have that dust seal. You cut the spacer to the same profile as the lock nut and drop that under that lock nut.
Even for a race bike, this is a pretty sloppy swap, yes I know you bought it that way, sorry I dont mean to say you are doing a sloppy job.
My lap top has either been hit with a virus or I have a bad keyboard controller, I cant interject inside your post with quoted text and essentially I barely can post.
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: Big Shot on April 01, 2009, 04:57:24 PM
Quote from: average on April 01, 2009, 04:25:56 PM
Cant tell but are the bars touching the tank in that pic?
Nope. My hand can be on the throttle and move it through it's rotation without any interference from the tank with the bars at full lock in this picture. It's tight, but comfortable. And wouldn't smash the hands if accidentally swung into this postilion. If the bars needed to be swept back more, new steering stops would need to be made to prevent the bars from turning so far. No big deal. And i plan to do it. If no one buys this from me first.
The lower triple is aluminum. Buddha has said that it will not weld easily. I guess we'll find out :cookoo:
Bob!
P.S. Poor Average, i guess his momma never called him Special! :thumb:
Try this with a 01 and later tank(fatter), and if that still doesn't hit, try it with an 04 + model with fairing.
With 04+ atleast you have the headlight problem solved.
Cool.
Buddha.
Just mocking it up right now Buddha, but thanks for sharing about how vital the dust cover is.
Have that.
If there is anything else you see wrong along the way please feel free to share...
Thanks, Bob!
How do i mount the clip-ons above the top triple you ask? Two ways to do it. First way, remove the spacer and narrow the stem another inch or so down to allow the top triple to sit essentially where the clip-ons are now. Second way, remove the spacer and open up the the stem hole in the top triple to allow it to sit essentially where the clip-ons are now. Both ways would leave about a 1 1/2" stem sitting above the top triple. You can cut it down some, but then you'd only be able to use the clip-ons above the top triple or go another inch below the point they are at now. Whoever owns this FE can decide for themselves what works for them. Personally, i prefer flexibility. At least until i decide that one way is so much better for me than the other. At that point, i guess it would get chopped. Or not.
Just in case this isn't clear. The spacer is just taking up space. No chit right? Point is, if it was removed right now, the top triple would still be sitting in the same place. The top triple is as far down on the stem as it can go without one of the two mods i explained above. Hope this helps...
Something else that i find very interesting, if it is modded one of these two ways, the steering lock would line up more or less perfectly.
No need for the 7/8" long spacers on the ignition/key lock i talked about earlier in this thread.
Just something to consider...
Peace, Bob!
The clip on screws to the underside of the triple like on my sv. Its not meant to stay in place by the tightning of the pinch bolt. I wont try to run it on top cos that way it wont bolt in unless you drilled and tapped that threaded hole in the right location, which again I wont do if I were you.
Under is fine, that was how it was intended. I'd go with the way it wants to work you know.
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: werase643 on April 01, 2009, 03:04:43 PM
big shot didn't try to push the item until he started getting bashed by josh and Budduh
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this post need to go to the TF..... it is that bad
WELCOME TO GS TWIN.......FUC* YOU ...... the borg(collective twinners) is/are better than you......ya'll come back for more love and sunshine
and we wonder why people leave?????????
Thread dumping isn't prohibited, its just frowned upon.
And sites that prohibit it effectively are much worse.
This happens a lot on those sites - I am on 2-3 of them ... I see it all the time.
You post part X priced Y.
Someone just happens to reply to a thread form the past where someone was selling X+ for Y-
OR
Someone posts this X+ for Y- cos your post reminded them.
OR
Someone posts X+ for Y- off fleabay/craigslist/shamoo whatever. Worse yet its not even a buy it now. It can end up at 2-3 times your Y.
The reason its bad - there is no exchange of ideas, no debate no nothing. Just noise adding to the confusion.
Here atleast there was some idea of what is going on.
People post crap in others for sale threads all the time. Maybe that actually helps - in one way atleast.
Cool.
Buddha.
at least ya'll are having a constructive conversation now
there are NO aftermarket bars with that little screw hole you talk about
not important
it is used to align the h-bars quickly at the factory
Aftermarket bars atleast for my SV have a much better pinching mechanism.
The screw hole - leave that screw out and the SV bars will never stop spinning on the fork legs and these will prolly be worse. SV has offset up.
There is only so many times you can tighten and loosen cast crap handlebar collar before it gives up and dies, or you lose the threads in it.
Aftermarket ones are made from better aluminum and have better bolts (one O bought from R'gal for that sv has a Tbolt with nut) All steel in a billet housing
The SV does not even have a screw Just a little peg. If it does not rotate it wont slide down the leg.
Cool.
Buddha.
budduh
we take that bolt out for racing
in a lowside.....the h-bar will tap the frame and not break on impact
so you can jump up and yank it back and get back to the pits
and on a street bike ya want it to break so you will buy a new one from suzuki
Oh OK, so it does spin. Well that's the idea ...
Cool.
Buddha.
Remember werase you suggested that I make those block based clip on's with a through drilled version and I said that they are spinning, and you said that yea you have to have them bolted in to the triples ... many years ago, may have been the first or second time I came to your house ...
Anyway SV clip on's will spin unless they are pegged into the underside of the triple. The peg is tight but its fairly small and it cannot prevent it from sliding down, straight down ... only, cannot rotate. However the thing cannot slide if it cannot rotate and that is just about right to keep in place. I may try emblem tape on the leg and inside the clamp on collar, that may keep it from sliding or spinning.
Cool.
Buddha.
Update! - Mini...
Speddo drive from the GS isn't compatible with the GSXR front rim/axle. It's too small.
I was able to take it for a spin around the block a couple of times today which was fun. (Too cold for anymore)
No Front brake hooked up. (Overrated anyway)
No dust cap on neck. (Buddha unapproved)
No headlight hooked up. (I drive faster then the speed of light so it doesn't do me much good anyhow)
No gauges hooked up. (Fast and stop. It's the only two speeds i know and i don't need any stinking gauges to tell me which one i'm in)
No ignition lock hooked up. (I got to hot wire my own bike! Almost as fun as the real thing :thumb:)
Even though my ride today was short, it was enough to make me appreciate this FE even more. I liked it when it was just sitting on the center stand in the garage, and now i'm beginning to fall in love with it. Which i was afraid of because it means that i just might not want to sell it like i intended...
I commented earlier that i liked the feel of this FE's clip-ons and hated the 89 GS set. Still do. What makes these different? The extra reach. It seems counter intuitive that the farther reach would feel more comfortable than a shorter one but in this case it's true. I'm 6'1" and the 89 GS set put me into no mans land. Too far forward to feel comfortable, but not far enough either.
Everyone around my height who complains that their legs are a little cramped should be able to understand what i mean. I know i wished for another inch or two between the seat and the foot pegs because i feel just a little cramped while sitting on the bike. It's not terrible, and as soon as i'm in motion i forget all about it, but if you have me sit still on a parked GS all day i'll be wishing for a little more leg room.
89 GS set = (The legroom issue i have with the bike)
GSXR FE with clip-ons sitting under the top triple = (As if i just got the extra inch or two of legroom i wanted... IT JUST FEELS GOOD!)
- Bob!