All the nay sayers will tell you that car oil can't take the stresses imposed by motorcycle engines. That's bunk, todays small and midsized cars engines are stressed far more that the average bike engine. A 4 cylinder engine in a midsized car or truck is pulling thousands of pounds of car, passengers, AC units, power steering pump, etc. It is also subjected to extra heat from the automatic transmission and AC unit. And that old thing about car oil can't take the sheering caused by the transmission gears------Really, well what about my Honda Civic that uses 10w-30 car oil in it's manual transmission. The car has 320,000 miles on it and the transmission oil has only been changed twice---and never had a transmission problem. A friend of mine bought an old ex-police Kawasaki 1000 with 90,000 miles of abuse heaped on it. He talked with the mechanic that services those bikes, and was told they used nothing but Castrol GTX 20-50 ( car oil ), and they only changed it every 4,000 miles. My friend has since put 35,000 additional miles on the bike, and uses the the same Castrol 20w-50 oil -----still runs great last I heard. OK, so now give the case for spending $8.00 on a qt of motorcycle oil.
shaZam!-stirrer.
Quote from: sledge on April 23, 2009, 06:01:36 PM
oh my goodness-stirrer.
Good point sledge, I never considered that.
what do you mean "car oil" it's called motor oil because it's all pretty much the same stuff, for motors.
.....here it comes :D
I don't use car oil or motorcycle oil in my bike. I use truck oil. :icon_lol:
Quote from: gsJack on April 23, 2009, 06:23:40 PM
I don't use car oil or motorcycle oil in my bike. I use truck oil. :icon_lol:
That's even better gsjack----that's what I use.
Quote from: jrains89 on April 23, 2009, 06:08:16 PM
what do you mean "car oil" it's called motor oil because it's all pretty much the same stuff, for motors.
I didn't coin the term jrain, that's how most posters here refer to it.
I don't think it matters as much whether it's a car or bike engine as whether it's air-cooled or liquid-cooled. Air-cooled engines are tough on oil because of the much higher temperatures involved. Bikes like the GS have wet sumps so their transmissions and clutches also work to tear those oil molecules apart, unlike cars. My bike seems to wear-out oil faster than my car, but does all that make me think $8/quart oil is in order?
Hell, no!
I know oil color isn't the best indicator of when it needs to be changed, but I change it when it starts turning dark brown, which for me is right around 3,000 miles and twice a year. I change the filter once every fall before I put it away for the winter. I think regular oil and filter changes are much more important than whether you use synthetic, regular, car oil, truck oil, or oil formulated specifically for bikes. As long as the right type of oil is used for the engine and it gets changed before it's black I don't think it makes a significant difference what you use.
People should be as careful about who they elect!
:icon_rolleyes:
Quote from: bill14224 on April 23, 2009, 06:30:51 PM
I don't think it matters as much whether it's a car or bike engine as whether it's air-cooled or liquid-cooled. Air-cooled engines are tough on oil because of the much higher temperatures involved. Bikes like the GS have wet sumps so their transmissions and clutches also work to tear those oil molecules apart, unlike cars. My bike seems to wear-out oil faster than my car, but does all that make me think $8/quart oil is in order?
Hell, no!
I know oil color isn't the best indicator of when it needs to be changed, but I change it when it starts turning dark brown, which for me is right around 3,000 miles and twice a year. I change the filter once every fall before I put it away for the winter. I think regular oil and filter changes are much more important than whether you use synthetic, regular, car oil, truck oil, or oil formulated specifically for bikes. As long as the right type of oil is used for the engine and it gets changed before it's black I don't think it makes a significant difference what you use.
People should be as careful about who they elect!
Bike engines wear out faster than car engines because they are turning anywhere from 2 to 4 times the RPMs of the car engine. A bike with 50,000 miles has turned over at least the equivalent of 100,000 car miles.
Its not that the car oil can't handle it. The problem is that most car oils these days have friction modifying additives that actually make the oil slicker. These additives will cause problems in the wet plate clutch that most motorcycles, including the GS, use. Motorcycle specific oil dose'nt have these additives neither does a lot of regular automotive oils, just stay away from any oil that says "energy conserving."
Quote from: Critter on April 23, 2009, 06:48:56 PM
Its not that the car oil can't handle it. The problem is that most car oils these days have friction modifying additives that actually make the oil slicker. These additives will cause problems in the wet plate clutch that most motorcycles, including the GS, use. Motorcycle specific oil dose'nt have these additives neither does a lot of regular automotive oils, just stay away from any oil that says "energy conserving."
I agree critter, that's why you should stick with the 10w-40 and 20w-50 oils, they don't have the friction modifiers.
Well really, it's been scientifically proven that if you don't put in royal purple your engine has a 60% chance of blowing up early. I know this because one time I put in dino oil and my dog died the next day. :icon_twisted:
Quote from: gsJack on April 23, 2009, 06:23:40 PM
I don't use car oil or motorcycle oil in my bike. I use truck oil. :icon_lol:
Yeah, it is all about the truck oil. How can you not love oil that comes in gallon containers when you ride a bike notorious for burning oil?
Tard Farm It. As most everyone here knows this topic has been beat to death and it all could have been avoided with a little thing called a SEARCH. There is absolutly nothing new in this oil thread then any other oil thread other then a few new names posting. :thumb:
Quote from: joshr08 on April 24, 2009, 04:46:23 AM
Tard Farm It. As most everyone here knows this topic has been beat to death and it all could have been avoided with a little thing called a SEARCH. There is absolutly nothing new in this oil thread then any other oil thread other then a few new names posting. :thumb:
Not true, none of the others have pointed out the fact that many of the Japanese car makers require the use of "car oil" in the manual transmissions of their cars. I was pointing out the misconception that many posters had about these oils not being able to handle the shear factor in bike transmissions.
As for tard farms josh, judging from some of your previous posts, I'm sure that's something you know a lot about.
ZZZZZZZZzzzz............ZZZZzzzzzzz!
Im going to play nice and only point out that your comparing your CAR transmission to your motorcycle and well they arent the same end of story. and my other point is this everyone is going to run whatever motor lube they want. just read the little book that came with the bike and go from there. theres no reason for a 50 poster to have such an attitude about something that has been talked about so much that when a mod. sees anything dealing with oil other then i have an oil leak in the title it should be tard farmed ASAP. Search the site and you will find alot of oil descussions and they all end the same way. Everyone thinks they are right and nothing new ever comes of it. Someone will start posting likes to amsoil studies or lucus studies and really they dont matter the studies are mostly done by the company and they arent going to come out and say well after testing both our competitors oil is better then our.
Quote from: joshr08 on April 24, 2009, 05:46:24 AM
Im going to play nice and only point out that your comparing your CAR transmission to your motorcycle and well they arent the same end of story. and my other point is this everyone is going to run whatever motor lube they want. just read the little book that came with the bike and go from there. theres no reason for a 50 poster to have such an attitude about something that has been talked about so much that when a mod. sees anything dealing with oil other then i have an oil leak in the title it should be tard farmed ASAP. Search the site and you will find alot of oil descussions and they all end the same way. Everyone thinks they are right and nothing new ever comes of it. Someone will start posting likes to amsoil studies or lucus studies and really they dont matter the studies are mostly done by the company and they arent going to come out and say well after testing both our competitors oil is better then our.
Correct, car transmissions and bike transmissions are not the same. Car transmission are under much heavier loads and stresses than bike transmissions, and even they don't shear car oils to any great degree. A lot of people are still on the fence about what kind of oil to use, I'm trying to put to rest the notion that you need to spend a lot of money on oil. If I were you I would ignore a thread that irritates or bores you, that's what I do with the endless post inquiring about adjusting valves----like that hasn't been done to death.
You have to be patient with us josh, we can't all come up with new and interesting threads like displaying photos of His and Hers helmets.
Quote from: fred on April 23, 2009, 11:31:08 PM
Quote from: gsJack on April 23, 2009, 06:23:40 PM
I don't use car oil or motorcycle oil in my bike. I use truck oil. :icon_lol:
Yeah, it is all about the truck oil. How can you not love oil that comes in gallon containers when you ride a bike notorious for burning oil?
I use Accel 10W40 made for cars without exhaust sensor crap. Its a close cousin of the delo semi truck oil these guys are talking about. It comes out of the bottle grey. Delo only looks grey after a couple 100.
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: sledge on April 24, 2009, 05:44:43 AM
ZZZZZZZZzzzz............ZZZZzzzzzzz!
Sledge is bored to death with this thread, but for some reason can't resist it----he's still here----kinda like josh.
Quote from: ojstinson on April 24, 2009, 06:46:12 AM
Quote from: sledge on April 24, 2009, 05:44:43 AM
ZZZZZZZZzzzz............ZZZZzzzzzzz!
Sledge is bored to death with this thread, but for some reason can't resist it----he's still here----kinda like josh.
Truth is I think we are ALL bored to death with it......but I keep looking in on the off chance you might just bring something new to the table.........so far you are letting me down, keep trying eh :thumb:
Quote from: sledge on April 24, 2009, 07:41:27 AM
Quote from: ojstinson on April 24, 2009, 06:46:12 AM
Quote from: sledge on April 24, 2009, 05:44:43 AM
ZZZZZZZZzzzz............ZZZZzzzzzzz!
Sledge is bored to death with this thread, but for some reason can't resist it----he's still here----kinda like josh.
Truth is I think we are ALL bored to death with it......but I keep looking in on the off chance you might just bring something new to the table.........so far you are letting me down, keep trying eh :thumb:
Please try to be patient with those of us who can't seem to come up with same kind of spine tinging post that you are capable of ----you know, like the one where we get to see a portfolio of photos of your bike, detailing the monumental mileage milestone of 10,000 miles .---kudos to you man, your parents must be so proud---I know we are.
At least it was original and some people found it interesting........now lets get back on topic, when are you going to tell us all something original and interesting about oil?
Wake me back up when you can...ZZZZzzzzzz!
Quote from: sledge on April 24, 2009, 08:25:57 AM
At least it was original and some people found it interesting........now lets get back on topic, when are you going to tell us all something original and interesting about oil?
That was indeed original, I can't imagine anyone else considering something as inane as that a milestone, we're holding our collective breaths waiting for the docudrama surrounding the big 15 k. event.
Here is my take on oil, or any other fluids for that matter, as long as you put the minimum grade recommended you should be ok, so why take the chance of ruining one of the systems just to save a few bucks, I mean you dont want to put a lower octane than recommended because you can ruin your engine which will cost more to fix then just spending a few extra cents on a better gas, its the same with oil. Why save a little now when you could potentially be paying a lot in the future to fix the mess you created from crappy or the wrong grade oil?
There aren't a whole lot of car engines out there that make 180HP+ per liter. Yet, you can buy plenty of motorcycles that produce that and more, right out of the dealer crate.
180HP per liter would be a 5.4L F-150 with 1,000 HP stock, off the dealer lot.
Cars are generally designed to a more conservative standard than motorcycles. That means lower transmission tooth loadings, lower BMEP, piston speed, etc. Heavy mobile equipment is more conservatively designed than a car. Stationary power equipment is yet more conservatively designed than mobile equipment. Weight has nothing to do with it. Gear profile, tooth profile, pressure angle, face width, etc are what determines the loading on a lubricant.
I don't' spend a lot of money on oil for one reason:
GS Jack has proven, twice, that the GS runs out of exhaust valve seat before it runs out of compression running Rotella T 15W40 Diesel oil. That's good enough for me. Nobody is going to get any more life out of it with $8 a quart "super oil".
At 80,000 miles, you pull the engine and overhaul it.
That's all there is to it.
Aw, why'd you have to ruin it, GeeP? He was funny.
Bored, I guess.
I hear that.
Well done, with the point on valve seating.
Quote from: sledge on April 24, 2009, 08:25:57 AM
At least it was original and some people found it interesting........now lets get back on topic, when are you going to tell us all something original and interesting about oil?
(http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/4/25/128851401020573320.jpg)
P.S., at my R.S. Strauss in town, gallons of Castrol MC oil, Rotella Truck oil, and "car oil" are all the same price (within a dollar), so cost clearly isn't an issue. I used the MC oil for my last change but I'm going to try the Rotella next time around.
Quote from: GeeP on April 24, 2009, 10:58:27 PM
There aren't a whole lot of car engines out there that make 180HP+ per liter. Yet, you can buy plenty of motorcycles that produce that and more, right out of the dealer crate.
180HP per liter would be a 5.4L F-150 with 1,000 HP stock, off the dealer lot.
Cars are generally designed to a more conservative standard than motorcycles. That means lower transmission tooth loadings, lower BMEP, piston speed, etc. Heavy mobile equipment is more conservatively designed than a car. Stationary power equipment is yet more conservatively designed than mobile equipment. Weight has nothing to do with it. Gear profile, tooth profile, pressure angle, face width, etc are what determines the loading on a lubricant.
I don't' spend a lot of money on oil for one reason:
GS Jack has proven, twice, that the GS runs out of exhaust valve seat before it runs out of compression running Rotella T 15W40 Diesel oil. That's good enough for me. Nobody is going to get any more life out of it with $8 a quart "super oil".
At 80,000 miles, you pull the engine and overhaul it.
That's all there is to it.
Quote from: GeeP on April 24, 2009, 11:13:34 PM
Bored, I guess.
Like I said before, I do use the cheaper "truck oil", the main point of my thread was that you don't need to spend a lot of money on over priced over hyped motorcycle oil---you simply drove home my original contention.
Quote from: GeeP on April 24, 2009, 10:58:27 PM
There aren't a whole lot of car engines out there that make 180HP+ per liter. Yet, you can buy plenty of motorcycles that produce that and more, right out of the dealer crate.
180HP per liter would be a 5.4L F-150 with 1,000 HP stock, off the dealer lot.
Cars are generally designed to a more conservative standard than motorcycles. That means lower transmission tooth loadings, lower BMEP, piston speed, etc. Heavy mobile equipment is more conservatively designed than a car. Stationary power equipment is yet more conservatively designed than mobile equipment. Weight has nothing to do with it. Gear profile, tooth profile, pressure angle, face width, etc are what determines the loading on a lubricant.
I don't' spend a lot of money on oil for one reason:
GS Jack has proven, twice, that the GS runs out of exhaust valve seat before it runs out of compression running Rotella T 15W40 Diesel oil. That's good enough for me. Nobody is going to get any more life out of it with $8 a quart "super oil".
At 80,000 miles, you pull the engine and overhaul it.
That's all there is to it.
I don't believe that it necessarily runs out of valve seat at 80,000, depends on how hard you ride----how conservative you are with the RPMs.
I know of plenty of air cooled bikes that are way over the century mark and still going strong.
I know its been done repeatedly, but I still think the (http://www.lewiscountyherald.com/hornetnest_small.jpg) needs to be hit occasionally. :icon_twisted:
Quote from: X-ray on April 25, 2009, 07:08:36 AM
I know its been done repeatedly, but I still think the (http://www.lewiscountyherald.com/hornetnest_small.jpg) needs to be hit occasionally. :icon_twisted:
I agree!
Quote from: wladziu on April 24, 2009, 11:30:45 PM
I hear that.
Well done, with the point on valve seating.
Yeh, that was really excellent------too bad there is no basis for it. Valve seats can go well over 100,000 if the bike is maintained and ridden conservatively.
I use air and water
Quote from: shiznizbiz on April 25, 2009, 08:36:16 AM
I use air and water
You and every other living thing on the planet-----good point.
Changing your oil on a regular basis is more important than what oil you use :whisper:
somebody link this properly for me please
http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs6/i/2005/064/c/0/Beating_A_Dead_Horse_by_livius.gif
Quote from: werase643 on April 25, 2009, 09:42:46 AM
somebody link this properly for me please
http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs6/i/2005/064/c/0/Beating_A_Dead_Horse_by_livius.gif
Here's the list... Death and Taxes, Oil, Gear and Tire Threads :thumb:
Eeermmm....we havent done spark-plugs for a while :icon_eek:
Quote from: sledge on April 25, 2009, 11:17:50 AM
Eeermmm....we havent done spark-plugs for a while :icon_eek:
That's an easy one,
Iridium next...... :thumb:
(http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs6/i/2005/064/c/0/Beating_A_Dead_Horse_by_livius.gif)
Right click a image anywhere on the net and select, "Copy Image Location".
After that, just paste the link in the, "Insert Image" selection like any other picture and you're done.
- Bob
Okay.
You wanna play?
How exactly is this "shear factor" a problem? Let's see some data. Carbocation rearrangement, halohydride shifts, whatever you've got.
Give us some thermodynamic numbers so we can follow the reactivity pathway on the first hydrocarbon to break down, and through which process. Then show us how that compound doesn't exist in motorcycle oil.
Maybe you can walk us through the Arrehenius equation for the activation energy of the reaction, so we can see the exact point when "shear factor" occurs. Then, once you find which compound suffers first: then, break apart the Ea to show us the exact composite of delta H, enthalpy, entropy, through various pressure slopes. Then, compare that to factual data from ICE's.
And, what is the actual mechanism?
Is there catalytic hydrogenation, perhaps? Or, maybe just a cis- trans- isomer flip, like with 1,4-dimethylcyclohexane?
Maybe a resonance hybrid or a conjugated diene Sn2 reaction, like 1,3-pentadiene?
Your knowledge of oil is limited to simply how many engines you and your buddy have blown up, perhaps how many temperature readings you've taken, a few articles you've read in Popular Mechanics, the brand using your favorite color in the packaging.
Maybe years of changing oil in either automobiles or factory machines, using only the type of oil that your plant manager (or whichever supervisor) requires you to use. Because, chances are, you're pretty low on the totem pole and can't pick new brands with which to experiment.
You haven't got the faintest clue about what makes one lubricant better than another (outside of something you call "shear factor" but can't support). You happen to have barely enough knowledge of ICE's to annoy the crap out of everyone here, but not enough to fully support a single claim you've made with true authority.
Meaning, that you're better qualified to make decisions between trashbags (clear or black polyvinyl chloride?), what type of mustard tastes better with certain hot dog brands, and maybe the correct thread pattern on a certain bolt on a certain machine.
(http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/61fps/2008/11/08-15/nuclear-bomb-explosion.jpg)
That was cool!
Wlad?
Give him some credit Pal. In less than a fortnight OJ gone from not knowing if his bike has a crush-washer on the drain plug to being an authority in the field of Tribology.......its an amazing achievement and I think it deserves a round of applause :laugh: :laugh:.
Bleh! He sounds like Revere.
Quote from: sledge on April 25, 2009, 02:43:21 PM
Wlad?
Give him some credit Pal. In less than a fortnight OJ gone from not knowing if his bike has a crush-washer on the drain plug to being an authority in the field of Tribology.......its an amazing achievement and I think it deserves a round of applause :laugh: :laugh:.
Sledge reminds me of the black knight in Monte Python----he's had his ass kicked, his arms and legs chopped off, and he still believes he's in the fray.
I admire that!
Quote from: wladziu on April 25, 2009, 02:19:55 PM
Okay.
You wanna play?
How exactly is this "shear factor" a problem? Let's see some data. Carbocation rearrangement, halohydride shifts, whatever you've got.
Give us some thermodynamic numbers so we can follow the reactivity pathway on the first hydrocarbon to break down, and through which process. Then show us how that compound doesn't exist in motorcycle oil.
Maybe you can walk us through the Arrehenius equation for the activation energy of the reaction, so we can see the exact point when "shear factor" occurs. Then, once you find which compound suffers first: then, break apart the Ea to show us the exact composite of delta H, enthalpy, entropy, through various pressure slopes. Then, compare that to factual data from ICE's.
And, what is the actual mechanism?
Is there catalytic hydrogenation, perhaps? Or, maybe just a cis- trans- isomer flip, like with 1,4-dimethylcyclohexane?
Maybe a resonance hybrid or a conjugated diene Sn2 reaction, like 1,3-pentadiene?
Your knowledge of oil is limited to simply how many engines you and your buddy have blown up, perhaps how many temperature readings you've taken, a few articles you've read in Popular Mechanics, the brand using your favorite color in the packaging.
Maybe years of changing oil in either automobiles or factory machines, using only the type of oil that your plant manager (or whichever supervisor) requires you to use. Because, chances are, you're pretty low on the totem pole and can't pick new brands with which to experiment.
You haven't got the faintest clue about what makes one lubricant better than another (outside of something you call "shear factor" but can't support). You happen to have barely enough knowledge of ICE's to annoy the crap out of everyone here, but not enough to fully support a single claim you've made with true authority.
Meaning, that you're better qualified to make decisions between trashbags (clear or black polyvinyl chloride?), what type of mustard tastes better with certain hot dog brands, and maybe the correct thread pattern on a certain bolt on a certain machine.
Very impressive wlad, you have just spewed 3 or 4 paragraphs of pompous meaningless yap that has added absolutely nothing to the conversation.
But alas, it Looks like you and sledge have made a very meaningful connection here----the next logical step would be to get a room.
Quote from: sledge on April 25, 2009, 02:43:21 PM
Wlad?
Give him some credit Pal. In less than a fortnight OJ gone from not knowing if his bike has a crush-washer on the drain plug to being an authority in the field of Tribology.......its an amazing achievement and I think it deserves a round of applause :laugh: :laugh:.
Bye the bye sledge, when is the next installment of Milestones in History. I'm really looking forward to another photo journey, this one being perhaps that of your glorious march to that unfathomable 15.000 mile mark------please keep us posted on your progress.
Quote from: Suzuki Stevo on April 25, 2009, 09:26:20 AM
Changing your oil on a regular basis is more important than what oil you use :whisper:
You are correct stevo!
Quote from: ojstinson on April 25, 2009, 03:46:52 PM
Quote from: sledge on April 25, 2009, 02:43:21 PM
Wlad?
Give him some credit Pal. In less than a fortnight OJ gone from not knowing if his bike has a crush-washer on the drain plug to being an authority in the field of Tribology.......its an amazing achievement and I think it deserves a round of applause :laugh: :laugh:.
Bye the bye sledge, when is the next installment of Milestones in History. I'm really looking forward to another photo journey, this one being perhaps that of your glorious march to that unfathomable 15.000 mile mark------please keep us posted on your progress.
eerrmmm.....are you running out of material? you have already done this one......try and keep up eh?
Quote from: ojstinson on April 25, 2009, 03:18:31 PM
Quote from: sledge on April 25, 2009, 02:43:21 PM
Wlad?
Give him some credit Pal. In less than a fortnight OJ gone from not knowing if his bike has a crush-washer on the drain plug to being an authority in the field of Tribology.......its an amazing achievement and I think it deserves a round of applause :laugh: :laugh:.
Sledge reminds me of the black knight in Monte Python----he's had his ass kicked, his arms and legs chopped off, and he still believes he's in the fray.
I admire that!
Monte or Monty?......c-mon OJ.....get it right, we gave you the language, use it properly.
......anyway, do me a favour and talk some more about oil. My dogs just died and I need a good laugh.
Quote from: sledge on April 25, 2009, 04:12:12 PM
......anyway, do me a favour and talk some more about oil. My dogs just died and I need a good laugh.
That's terrible, now you have no friends at all. Now I understand the source of your hostile and combative attitude.
I'll be his friend
he's funny
Quote from: sledge on April 25, 2009, 04:09:08 PM
...we gave you the language, use it properly.
Oh dear, are you chaps still obsessing over that? Look, we sent you Madonna...you're welcome!
Besides, observe how we have
improved the language. Remember who to thank next time you say "BLING...SHIZNIT...or BOOTYLICIOUS".
:laugh:
Quote from: XealotX on April 25, 2009, 06:16:31 PM
Quote from: sledge on April 25, 2009, 04:09:08 PM
...we gave you the language, use it properly.
Oh dear, are you chaps still obsessing over that? Look, we sent you Madonna...you're welcome!
Besides, observe how we have improved the language. Remember who to thank next time you say "BLING...SHIZNIT...or BOOTYLICIOUS".
:laugh:
Just a friendly joust with my old UK pal, nothing serious. ---------- Good point Xealot, why didn't I think of those.
Quote from: ojstinson on April 25, 2009, 06:40:13 PM
Just a friendly joust with my old UK pal, nothing serious. ---------- Good point Xealot, why didn't I think of those.
It wasn't meant as a "friendly joust". I'm truly thankful they've taken Madonna off our hands. If they can find a home for Britney Spears I'll gladly cover the airfare.
Quote from: XealotX on April 25, 2009, 06:54:04 PM
Quote from: ojstinson on April 25, 2009, 06:40:13 PM
Just a friendly joust with my old UK pal, nothing serious. ---------- Good point Xealot, why didn't I think of those.
It wasn't meant as a "friendly joust". I'm truly thankful they've taken Madonna off our hands. If they can find a home for Britney Spears I'll gladly cover the airfare.
One down one to go, It's a start!
Basic organic chemistry is pompous?
Alas?
Boredom's a b!tch, hunh?
It's alright. I've been in your position. You're just trying to have the last word.
You'll feel pretty stupid soon, if you don't already.
Quote from: wladziu on April 25, 2009, 08:31:34 PM
Basic organic chemistry is pompous?
Alas?
Boredom's a b!tch, hunh?
It's alright. I've been in your position. You're just trying to have the last word.
You'll feel pretty stupid soon, if you don't already.
No, pompous is you spouting organic chemistry on a simple thread where I am making a case for not wasting money on overpriced overhyped motor oil when there is no valid reason to do so------now don't you feel stupid. Do you really think anyone here understands or even cares to understand any of your self important blathering about molecular activity and such.
Why did I even start to read this? >:(
Quote from: XealotX on April 25, 2009, 06:16:31 PM
Remember who to thank next time you say "BLING...SHIZNIT...or BOOTYLICIOUS".
:laugh:
Errrm......What makes you think I use those terms, I dont, but in saying that certain people over here do. Fortunately I am far too intelligent, (and probably too good-looking as well :cool:) to be confused with one of them.
Madonna??? WTF is he......didnt he play football once for Argentina?
lol :D an oil thread, on a motorsicle forum !
lol
Quote from: ohgood on April 26, 2009, 05:42:27 AM
lol :D an oil thread, on a motorsicle forum !
lol
Would you rather a motorcycle thread on an oil forum?
Quote from: ojstinson on April 26, 2009, 07:02:10 AM
Quote from: ohgood on April 26, 2009, 05:42:27 AM
lol :D an oil thread, on a motorsicle forum !
lol
Would you rather a motorcycle thread on an oil forum?
it'd get about as much done. folks for whatever reason cling to a brand of oil like it's in their own veins. it's been stirred so many times....... you know :)
Oh come'on Ohgood, you have a favorite brand of way oil, instrument oil, coolant, or something, don't you? :D
Quote from: sledge on April 26, 2009, 02:31:51 AM
Madonna??? WTF is he......didnt he play football once for Argentina?
I doubt Argentina even has a football team...if they do, the Dallas Cowboys could whip em easily. :thumb:
Yes people...I know football=soccer...
Quote from: XealotX on April 26, 2009, 08:46:48 AM
I doubt Argentina even has a football team....
:laugh: You should give this up right now Pal :laugh:
I think it's been the case on BITOG that it's not the oil that shears it's molecules, it's the viscosity index improvers which if you wanna know the chemical composition is an ethylene-propylene copolymer, which is not 100% stable under repeated shear stresses. When those go your high temperature viscosity drops dramatically from something like 10w-40 down to 10w-20. The winter weight doesn't change cause that's the base oil and it's stable in practically anything but a furnace. It's why 15w-40 oil is so popular because you start with a thicker base oil and have less viscosity index improvers. One good thing is that eventually your oil will thicken back up due to oxidation over a very long not recommended oil change interval and you'll be back in viscosity but you'll probably face a whole host of other problems by then like your engine seizing. But there is no need for 8 buck a quart MC oil because it's nothing special other than a fancy bottle or MLM scheme (I'm looking at you AMSOIL!), the only thing better than Rotella would be a fully synthetic oil but then again regular oil changes by GSjack have proven that valves will wear out faster than oil lubricated engine components so why bother with even synthetics when you'll have to rebuild the engine anyways, in my case I'll just part the bike out and buy something else.
Only thing that is annoyign the shaZam! out of me is when some people...oj....dont understand how to type thier post outside the quote they are quoting. In turn making it appear as though they are quoting themselves when they havent actually posted those words yet. Its funny as a joke when you quote and change the words of someone elses post....but sad when you quote a post and then f%$k it up repeatedly by typing your reply in with the quote....ahhhhhh!!!! f%$king LEARN TO USE THE FORUM Buddha Loves You! YOU ARE ANNOYING ME WITH YOUR DISREPECTFUL ATTITUDE. YOURE JUST A DUMB ASS WHO LIKES TO START shaZam!! wladziu dropped a bomb on your ass but your too stupid to comprhend what he was even saying. THANK GOD I DONT KNOW YOU PERSONALLY! but i digress...its 130 in the afternoon.....and ive drank way too much for this forum today and im in a bad mood after workign on my jeep in the hot sun. MY apologies to everyone buuuuut...OJ the dickface...i gotta go find me some plutoian death volvo! peace
what would happen if i drained all the oil and replaced it with WD-40?
....dunno for sure, but I would bet a lot of money on the fact it would never go rusty :thumb:
Quote from: ojstinson on April 25, 2009, 09:53:01 PM
No, pompous is you spouting organic chemistry on a simple thread where I am making a case for not wasting money on overpriced overhyped motor oil when there is no valid reason to do so------now don't you feel stupid. Do you really think anyone here understands or even cares to understand any of your self important blathering about molecular activity and such.
1. As I stated, gallons of MC oil, "car oil", and Rotella truck oil are all the same price at my local Strauss auto parts store, so the MC oil is definitely not overpriced. So, if my manual tells me to use API/JASO certified oil, why not?
2. These oil discussion have been going on since the dawn of time (apparently), so you need to realize that there are going to be people who agree and people who disagree. Calling people stupid/pompus/etc. isn't going to convince anyone to listen to you; however, presenting empirical evidence will. Provide some objective proof and you'll have a stronger case than whining and complaining. We need to start up moderated debates (http://www.actdu.org.au/archives/actein_site/owndebate.html).
3. When you quote on a forum, add your comments/response AFTER the
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Quote from: shiznizbiz on April 26, 2009, 10:32:37 AM
Only thing that is annoyign the oh my goodness out of me is when some people...oj....dont understand how to type thier post outside the quote they are quoting. In turn making it appear as though they are quoting themselves when they havent actually posted those words yet. Its funny as a joke when you quote and change the words of someone elses post....but sad when you quote a post and then f%$k it up repeatedly by typing your reply in with the quote....ahhhhhh!!!! f%$kING LEARN TO USE THE FORUM Buddha Loves You! YOU ARE ANNOYING ME WITH YOUR DISREPECTFUL ATTITUDE. YOURE JUST A DUMB ASS WHO LIKES TO START oh my goodness! wladziu dropped a bomb on your ass but your too stupid to comprhend what he was even saying. THANK GOD I DONT KNOW YOU PERSONALLY! but i digress...its 130 in the afternoon.....and ive drank way too much for this forum today and im in a bad mood after workign on my jeep in the hot sun. MY apologies to everyone buuuuut...OJ the duckface...i gotta go find me some plutoian death volvo! peace
Now Now shizn, It isn't nice to call people names. If you read my original post you will find nothing inflammatory about it, I was merely posting some observations that I had made that might prove helpful to someone. Then certain people took it upon themselves to insult me for even having the audacity to post another oil thread. If I see a relentlessly boring, or redundant thread ( like how do I go about adjusting my valves ) I simply ignore it, I don't waste my time checking in and calling him a single digit mouth breathing lunkhead-----or even duckface, like my pal shiznuts. Why bother?
PS----Shiznuts, do you always post mindless illiterate gibberish, or do you only do this when you are very angry?
Quote from: ojstinson on April 26, 2009, 03:39:50 PM
...I don't waste my time checking in and calling him a single digit mouth breathing lunkhead-----or even duckface, like my pal shiznuts. Why bother?
PS----Shiznuts, do you always post mindless illiterate gibberish, or do you only do this when you are very angry?
:whisper: I'd read over your post again, because you contradicted yourself immediately after saying you don't flame people. :nono:
OJ, people like to poke fun here, but the problem is that you make a lot of statements (e.g., "...todays small and midsized cars engines are stressed far more that the average bike engine [sic]") based upon your beliefs, rather than any hard data. As I *just* said, if you provide an objective analysis (rather than your 2 case observations), then people will be more receptive. From my understanding, most oil comparisons are made using UOAs to compare wear (for example, see here: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=49&page=1). Provide sources for your statements and we can take them seriously.
You are making this way too complicated, I made some observations, and I stated a couple of actual cases that I have personally observed. Make of it what you wish---an abused ex police bike gets 130,000 miles on nothing but cheap Castrol car oil and it's still running like a top. ( so much for the old board theory that your valve seats are toast at 80,000 miles ) A hard driven Honda Accord has 10w- 30 car oil in the manual transmission for 150.000 miles---no breakdown of oil, or at least no indication. Take it or leave it no need to trash me and then get pissed when I push back.
Quote from: GeeP on April 26, 2009, 07:47:07 AM
Oh come'on Ohgood, you have a favorite brand of way oil, instrument oil, coolant, or something, don't you? :D
when i slam into the oil rack with a cart, something will fall into the cart. if it doesn't burst on impact, i use it.
what ? i'm serious. dude !
ohgood, you're one of the good guys here, you don't get involved with all this petty BS and bickering---Kudos old buddy!
Quote from: ohgood on April 26, 2009, 06:42:10 PM
when i slam into the oil rack with a cart, something will fall into the cart. if it doesn't burst on impact, i use it.
what ? i'm serious. dude !
Hmm..
All these years, I've been using a dart board to make tough decisions.
Might have to start using a cart and the oil rack. :)
1. As I stated, gallons of MC oil, "car oil", and Rotella truck oil are all the same price at my local Strauss auto parts store, so the MC oil is definitely not overpriced. So, if my manual tells me to use API/JASO certified oil, why not?[/quote]
I wish Strauss Auto Parts wasn't only in NYC, NJ, and Philly. At the other end of NY where I live, Rotella is $2.69/quart, which is less than half as much as any motorcycle specific oil on the market. I haven't seen motorcycle specific oil for $2.69/quart since Reagan was president. I'm not calling you a liar but you should re-check the prices you've been paying because it's less than half what I can get it for. I think I have to raise the :bs: flag on this one.
Quote from: ojstinson on April 26, 2009, 06:55:17 PM
ohgood, you're one of the good guys here, you don't get involved with all this petty BS and bickering---Kudos old buddy!
and you do...muahahahahaha... and, that last post of mine isnt so hard to understand. and btw, as stated in that post...i had way too much to drink. I wasnt lying. oh and congratulations on learning to quote a post properly. whispering eye face :woohoo: lmao
Ha! Whispering eye!
How long do you think he's gonna keep trying to have the last word? We could make a new game out of it! Take turns!
(At least until it's tard-farmed, as it should have been originally.)
Looks like the comedy team of; Hey look at me I'm the last word in oil technology, so why ain't I rich, and ---I'm not really a blithering illiterate retard, I just play one on motorcycle forums.---Is back to put a smile on my face. Which one of you is the short fat guy----every comedy team needs one of those.
Quote from: ojstinson on April 27, 2009, 06:49:03 AMWhich one of you is the short fat guy----every comedy team needs one of those.
He is right here......with a special message for you.....
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd92/iainmcdermott/buyavowel2.jpg)
Old shiznuts never lets us down, still can't spell worth a damn-----love your hat old buddy!
ROFL!!!!!! Im actually short and fat. with a medium length beard and a severe case of alcoholism AND a small pee pee which makes me angry because i cant please any women. They are generally disgusted by my scent and my apearance clothed let alone naked. The "backne" doesnt help any either. The worst part being i cant even flat foot at a light whilst straddling my lowered gs at a light. lol....and....I own you. you just dont know it yet because your stuck in lala land tryign to get the last word in because you are a whispering eye face. SO go ahead and do as the shirt above ask you to. BLAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! go munch on a porcupine @$$hole, oj. lol
The blithering illiterate retard of this forum has spoken.
Well said old buddy, glad you finally came to your senses and allowed your caregiver to interpret your unintelligible grunts, utterances, frantic gestures, etc. and type them out for you. Somewhere in the depths of that addled old brain lies a personality and a wonderful sense humor and timing----please don't ever give up the "Team"-----the oil professor and most of all -----We need you!!!!
Quote from: bill14224 on April 26, 2009, 08:16:18 PM
I wish Strauss Auto Parts wasn't only in NYC, NJ, and Philly. At the other end of NY where I live, Rotella is $2.69/quart, which is less than half as much as any motorcycle specific oil on the market. I haven't seen motorcycle specific oil for $2.69/quart since Reagan was president. I'm not calling you a liar but you should re-check the prices you've been paying because it's less than half what I can get it for. I think I have to raise the :bs: flag on this one.
Whew, ok, then I just realized that the Rotella at my Strauss (here: http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&q=strauss+lawrence+shopping+center&near=New+Jersey&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&li=lmd&z=14&t=m) is waaaaaaaaaay overpriced. Gallons of Rotella, Castrol MC oil, and some other namebrand car oils were between $23-$25 a gallon ($5.75-$6.25/quart) when I picked up a gallon for my change. And very true, at those prices, your Rotella is less than half than the oils at my local shop ;)
Not that it matters (other than for brownie points I guess), but I'd be happy to drop by the Strauss and take pictures to show how they are gouging for Rotella and car oils. :cheers:
Thank you Esteban, we are finally getting back to the subject of oil------it's about time.
Btw, those prices are outrageous---you don't pay that much for name brand synthetics.
Quote from: ojstinson on April 27, 2009, 09:12:35 AM
Well said old buddy, glad you finally came to your senses and let your caregiver interpret your unintelligible grunts, utterances, frantic gestures, etc. and type them out for you. Somewhere in the depths of that addled old brain lies a personality and a wonderful sense humor and timing----please don't ever give up the "Team"-----the oil professor and most of all -----We need you!!!!
condescending prick :)
Louisville Kentucky, isn't that the birthplace of Cassius Clay?-----Pretty Cool.
Cassius Marcellus Clay Jr was indeed born in this very city. Also we are famous for the Kentucky Derby, which happens this coming weekend. The Louisville slugger is also made here, hence the Louisville.