He send me rusty forks and calipers that dont match.
They were sent separately due to the odd shapes etc, and when I saw the wrong calipers I PM'ed him immediately, he was going to swap the calipers for the right ones, which now he cannot find. I didn't get the forks till 4 days later. I didn't open them a few days ... and
Then when I find the forks are rusty, he refused to cover me for sending the junk back to him, not even considering that he still owes a set of calipers to me.
I have tried reasoning with him ... he's saying I paid 200 shipped and I am not getting 200 and shipping for sending it all back.
1. Forgetting that he owes me calipers and shipping ...
2. I have to send this back to him.
3. I will send just the forks if that is what he wanted and I offered 150 and shipping.
I think we have the makings of a Fake ID coward. So buyer/seller beware before you send anything to Joshua Reihl. Contact me if you suspect it may be him and I'll give you the address.
And I might as well tell any one else - selling junk crap will seriously cost you more than you hoped to make form the sale, because you'd end up eating the reverse shipping if you want it back. That is the rule we go by.
If we work this out Josh - I'll post how my experience went, and I'll delete or correct this post as needed. Do the right thing - I know I will.
Having said that, I have sent junk parts to people before. I pulled it all back (not just 1, there was nearly 20+) and replaced it all with identical and good items. I always stand behind what I sell, unless I tell you the parts/whole of it is crap and you buy anyway ...
Cool.
Buddha.
and you wouldn't buy my forks for 2 yrs for the same price......serve ya right ya cheep ass beer drinking cheep ass
I told buddha that i would refund his 200 dollars that he paid for everything that included shipping and for some reason thats not good enough for him he wants the 200 + 35 for shipping. I have no problem refunding his money but i WILL NOT give him more money then he paid. whos the bad guy here ? i have offered 3 times to refund the total price he paid but im not paying him an extra 35 for shipping when i included it in the price for the parts in the first part so if i refund the 200 that should include shipping. So if this seems a bit shade who should we beware of the guy that offered to refund the full price or the guy thats bad mouthing the guy for not wanting to pay the extra 35 for the parts to be shipped back if it was included in the purchase price from the start????????? have a good day
Oh lets try this ...
He sent me the wrong calipers.
He's yet to send me the right ones, and evidently I need to pay for shipping the wrong calipers back.
More than I paid - not really, Who is going to pay to ship these back.
As it stands right now, he has to pay to get the wrong calipers back, pay to get the right calipers to me and the 200 I paid him. I really dont see how he can show this "righteous anger" he is brimming with.
Cool.
Buddha.
I'm proud of you guys for working this out together and not dragging each others names thru the mud.
Sorry but I agree with Josh, he's willing to send you the right calipers and you can ship the old ones back but for you to expect him to refund you shipping is outrageous. I'm sure there were pictures posted of the forks and isn't it buyer beware?
You buy something from any retailer online and you want to return it thats fine but you pay return shipping. For you to expect him to cover your shipping back because your unhappy with what you bought is crazy.
Personally I've bought many parts from Josh and have had awesome dealings. He has helped me countless times when I needed advice or help finding something online. And I've lost a lot of respect for you Buddha since you weren't adult enough to handle this between the 2 of you and you had to drag his name through the mud.
No he didn't post pics of calipers. He just said he has matching calipers and I was OK buying it that way, but when I got random calipers, I told him, he said he'd find it and send me the right ones. No mention of any return shipping anything.
Also he said the forks were great, there were pics, but not in the detail you need to see rust ...
Now if you ask for some thing from online store say a Large helmet, they send you some other stuff like a XXXS, you really have to pay for sending it back ... really ... really ...
Now you buy something lets say a helmet, and it comes in with a liner than has been eaten by a rat (obviously not transit damage) ... you call them and complain, they make you pay to send it back ... really ...
OK if the helmet was normal and the same one you ordered, but now you see it dont match your bike ... agreed, return, restock whatever is your responsiblity.
Broken, wrong ... not as promised ...
I also bought a few others things from him, it was all OK, but really when things go wrong is when it counts.
I would expect to send broken stuff back if he pays for it, I would also send the mis matched stuff back again if he pays for it. I'd send it all back if he pays for that too.
Cool.
Buddha.
Well if you want the guarentee of parts as adverstised ask for better pics. If you want coverage for return shipping don't buy used, buy from a store. All in all, this whole thread is pretty childish and I'll keep that in mind if ever selling anything on here again.
Nick
budduh,
you are in the wrong.....
pay the shipping back and get your 200 bucks
better to loose a little than all of it...
The forks I had were purchased for a GS twinner....he said if I find some get them and he would pay me.....
so i got them...then I got the stories how he couldn't afford them this month....again and again
I've had them for 3-4 yrs
as soon as I made the spacers from scrap metal....they sold in a day
took me 3-4 yrs to get my $ back
Quote from: utgunslinger13 on May 17, 2009, 01:13:29 PM
Personally I've bought many parts from Josh and have had awesome dealings. He has helped me countless times when I needed advice or help finding something online. And I've lost a lot of respect for you Buddha since you weren't adult enough to handle this between the 2 of you and you had to drag his name through the mud.
BTW I did this only when he PM'ed me this -
oh ok so i give you 200+ shipping when you paid 200 with shipping included are you f%$king kidding me. im done you keep the parts and im done selling anything over the net to anyone on here.
Then this -
when i sent the stuff to you i sent it for 200 that included shipping im done with this have a good day
I have been working with him since last night.
I am sorry, broken or wrong parts are to be replaced with the right ones at sellers cost. I am not being frivolous all I am asking is what I paid and shipping back.
I am in fact willing to only return the deal breaker to let him keep more of the $ and be less $ to ship.
Buyer beware I understand, that is the title of the thread.
Cool.
Buddha.
Why dont you too guys just kiss and make up & meet in the middle and split the shipping?
Quote from: utgunslinger13 on May 17, 2009, 01:34:51 PM
Well if you want the guarentee of parts as adverstised ask for better pics. If you want coverage for return shipping don't buy used, buy from a store. All in all, this whole thread is pretty childish and I'll keep that in mind if ever selling anything on here again.
Nick
I am not looking for guarantee - I am looking for whoever is selling to not lie ... if they do, this is what we do. Forks had scratched on the lowers - see it in the pic, and not of much consequence. I let it go.
And Ut - if you are going to be selling rusty ass crap as good, you really need to be watchful.
The rust spots were obvious, and joshr08 isn't saying any of this BTW, so essentially he's being far better about this than you are. In fact I am going to hav to make a note of this when I buy stuff from you.
Really he said calipers for the forks when they are other fork calipers.
The rust spots were pretty obvious. No way to miss it, and no way to call these forks good.
Lets try this scenario.
You buy katana shocks. I send you GS shocks. Ok now to get katana shocks, you need to send me the GS shock back. How is that for bait and switch. That was what was the whole caliper situation.
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: Chanse on May 17, 2009, 01:42:58 PM
Why dont you too guys just kiss and make up & meet in the middle and split the shipping?
Josh - if you want to do this - I'd send you the forks and you pay back 150 and 1/2 of the shipping for it from me to you. And remember you're not shipping me calipers, or even finding the calipers.
Cool.
Buddha.
why would i give you 150 + shipping for the forks????? i sold you the compete FE for 150 and a rear shock for 35 that becasue you only had 200 in your paypal account got shipped to your door the day you paid for 200 im not taking the forks for 150+shipping you keep it you have alredy ran my name into the mud i told you i will give you what you paid and not a penny more. i was going to ship you the calipers to make the fe right with you that WAS my mistake and i wasnt asking for the other calipers back again that was my mistake. You have filed a complaint with paypal that got you no where because you got your parts so now you run my name down here. i have tryed since last night to work this out with you i asked for pictures that you said you have of the bad fork. I still havent got these. I have told you time and time again i will give you the 200 bucks but for some reason your adding the price of you shipping other parts back to me and the price of a caliper that your not getting with you shipping these parts back to me. I feel as tho you were trying to blackmail me by telling me in pm that you would post in the forum about my bad forks if i didnt pay you the 200+35 to ship these parts back to me and for that i beleave your really just trying to use the forum in hopes of me sending you all the money your asking for to stop this thread and i really dont care. you do as you feel that you need to do. i wont be blackmailed into paying more for something then you paid me for.
Trust me buddha, I sell everything with pictures and describe it as they are. You buy them and have issues not my fault. And I wouldn't sell anything to you before since everytime you've made an offer you've lowballed me. Now, wouldn't even look at an offer from you if your just going to be a child and run his name through the mud after blackmailing him for more money. He's being more generous than I would have after the way you acted.
Nick
Carry this on in here and you will both loose your reps`. Old saying......dont wash your dirty laundry in public.
Joshr08 - OK 150 for the FE ... of course you keep the calipers and we do 1/2 on shipping - if that is OK, let me know. I would definetly call that as standing by your word, and I'm good. I know you didn't intend to scam me ... really I know that. Now remember the stem makes the box fatter ... the forks are very long and as such good for a tube of sorts like you made. The stem is gonna take some extra work. I have an idea, lets call it 140 and 1/2 shipping for legs. The stem will cost prolly 10 bucks to ship, and I thought I'd buy it from you for 10 and shipping will save you prolly another 5.
Utgunslinger - I didn't have issues ... the pics didn't show it, and he assured me they are great. I dont expect pristine, scratches on the lowers etc are all par for the course ... I am fine there, the useability is what is not there. A scratch here a chip there dirt here and what ever, dont bother me.
Calipers of course were total bait and switch. I really dont see how I pay to ship them back, and rightly he didn;t mention it till 10 mins ago.
Cool.
buddha.
Quote from: sledge on May 17, 2009, 02:12:04 PM
Carry this on in here and you will both loose your reps`. Old saying......dont wash your dirty laundry in public.
Sorry man, I dont hide stuff ... besides, people gonna figure out what ... I expect the parts that show up to be the ones I bought and they need to be useable and not junk ...
Sorry man, when the handlebars I made broke ... I still posted here and worked through it ... so I actually dont think its any big deal.
And we work through this it should also go to joshr08's credit.
Cool.
Buddha.
hows 100 for just the legs and ill pay the 20 bucks for the shipping through usps you keep everything else?
No, $100 is too low, but look in your PM.
Cool.
Buddha.
Nope far too low. I have a slightly different idea too ... It would save us shipping cost ...
Sell to someone else ... I'll ship to them.
That way you pay for it from me ... take $ from them for it, and they will pay me for shipping.
I'd want 140 for the legs, 150 with stem, and calipers that dont go with this 10. If you sell it for 50, you'd only be out 90 ... if you sell for more, you can keep more of the $ ...
Sorry pitiful weather has me cowering at home ...
Cool.
Srinath.
so they must be good if your telling me to sell them to someone else?
No you tell them they are junk ... somehting you didn't tell me.
Nice try genius.
Cool.
Buddha.
I also didn't mean just gstwin, katana sites etc, any one who has uppers can make use of the lowers out of these.
Cool.
Buddha.
then why dont you just sell them cuz you dont want to work with me as hard as i have tryed to make this right for you. im not giving you 140 bucks for the legs its not going to happen.
Yea I figured as much, time to run away josh and come back with a fake ID.
You're not even close to making it right for me ... do fork legs cost 100 ... if so, buy em and send em. Good ones, not rusty crap.
OK fine man, if not, time to call it done -
I paid 200 ... forks, stem, shock and calipers ... and you've said many times 200 is what you'd pay to have it back ...
Fine send 200 for it all and I'll send you all the stuff. I will actually send em all in 1 box UPS ... I figure 25 ...
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: joshr08 on May 17, 2009, 11:13:31 AM
I told buddha that i would refund his 200 dollars that he paid for everything that included shipping and for some reason thats not good enough for him he wants the 200 + 35 for shipping.
This ... and I never said 35 for shipping ... I always said I'll UPS in 1 box ...
But yea fine now I ship at my cost. Fine.
Cool.
Buddha.
~235 maybe - though I'd cram in 1 box and do UPS over 2 boxes in USPS.
Cool.
Srinath.
and im still waiting for pictures on this waiting waiting waiting.............you said you have pics post them up for everyone else to see along with me but yes i will refund your 200 on paypal as we talked from the start. ill pm you with payment info.
Yea not only did I have rain all day today, I had work off and on too ... work work ... yesterday and today ... ruined my weekend.
I will get it pushed in a bit and send it up.
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: The Buddha on May 17, 2009, 04:07:37 PM
Quote from: joshr08 on May 17, 2009, 11:13:31 AM
I told buddha that i would refund his 200 dollars that he paid for everything that included shipping and for some reason thats not good enough for him he wants the 200 + 35 for shipping.
This ... and I never said 35 for shipping ... I always said I'll UPS in 1 box ...
But yea fine now I ship at my cost. Fine.
Cool.
Buddha.
OK we have got consensus on this step.
To all the naysayers ... OK see we can fight and resolve it. Like I always said he was never out to scam me. I knew that.
Cool.
Buddha.
Yes no sense posting inside without changing the title, cos usually people sometimes just read the title and never open it if its not relevant to them.
Cool.
Buddha.
I still think this is a selffish act of buddha trying to up his post count.... 17000 are you kidding LOL, you stay on here more than ummmmmm well anybody.. lol
Hey, Buddha... remember that front end you wanted to sell me for $400? The one with the "untrustworthy" seals?
The one you wanted to nickel-and-dime me to death on, because you buy all the forks you can get your hands on and re-sell them for over twice what you paid for?
$50 for a special "bracket" for the dash, when all it needed was $.02 of aluminum?
Over a month waiting for you, putting me off again and again, then expecting me to wait another 3 weeks?
The one you wanted to install the way you wouldn't even do it on your own bike, yet you wanted to charge more money to do it the "better" way?
You wouldn't be trying to smear someone's reputation would you?
Calling someone a greedy crook?
$200 you're arguing about?
Would now be a bad time to point out that I saved that much by buying from someone else and had it installed in under 1.5 hours?
What was it you told me about those forks?
"Can't garauntee their condition" ?
Karma's a b!tch, hunh?
'Cause let's be perfectly honest here...
You probably talked him down as low as you possibly could, hoping you could turn around and sell them as high as possible.
Probably $400, like you tried with me. Twice what you paid for.
Without touching them.
Then charge parts and labor if the seals are shot, like you tried with me.
If I were Josh, I'd play dumb....
"oh, mighty knowledgable Buddha, I didn't know rusty forks were bad. But you saw the pictures... if you were so smart, you should have told me."
Hilarious!
Wladizu - You have no clue what you're talking about.
The person I was going to fit these on was cstilt. Please ask him.
There is a reason why I have to sell certain things for a certain price. I do it once, I am forced to maintain it. I dont like screwing over my old customers by lowering prices after they have installed their parts.
The only reason I bought these, instead of telling cstilt to buy them was because I could not catch him (I called, emailed etc etc - please check that also with him). When I finally caught him, I told him, and I told him I'd sell it to him for the same price I bought form joshr08. If you bring your FE, I only machine it, I charge the same $ for it and I am not bound by what I sold the FE to my neighbor. And trust me one of the GS'es I did isn't more than 2 miles form me. I also suggested how they go about getting their parts and some times they do, and sometimes they dont. They buy a FE I have and the first case was one off my bike ... literally.
Then, Your guages are hard mounted. So are cstilt acewell. I make grommet carriers that let you mount guages with the original grommets. That was the $50. I didn;t tell you you can slap a metal piece and bolt it like cstilt did, cos I didn't do it ... ever. I have welded GS ears onto the kat triples and sold a few of those.
I dont like that design because a GS guage set when on the GS has 2 layers of grommets/donuts between it and the frame. Top triple grommet and the donut between the top triple and bottom triple. A Kat 600 top triple does not have that donut at all. So hard mounting it is not my preference. However I am also one of the few that love the stock guages and the way they fit and look so I may have to tell it to myself.
If I had remembered werase had that FE still I'd have told you to check with him first thing ... werase taught me everything about doing front ends. OK not true, dgyver also did (I needed to be taught 2-3 times looks like). He swapped my GS, my savage ... man was that so cool, and average's ... I also was going to buy that FE from him but he refused to sell it to me. Ask him if you want to.
Finally - cstilt's bike was crashed and came to me with a steering lock that didn't work. Werase confirmed my suspiscion about why and now after the FE swap, his steering lock does work. For me, a non functioning neck lock means I'd never leave my bike parked somewhere and be relaxed for an instant.
All the options I had I presented to you, and to cstilt. This option when it came up I would ahve presented you if your bike was what I was working on, much like I presented it to cstilt.
You got the right thing from werase, no question there, and I am striving to do that same type of work for cstilt. The whole rest of your assumptions etc are not correct or relevant.
No karma, cstilt is losing this FE and we are going back to our original deal and our original price. This whole thing started after he had got the bike to me for the work.
Anyway wladdie - Hope you took good care of werase. I know he did for you.
Cool.
Buddha.
Wladizu - One of the reasons I was waffling a bit wiht you was that I was still talking to cstilt when he was making his descision and he was before you in when he committed to do the swap. He was checking various things so I wasn't sure what I would have had because he had first call on it.
Cool.
Buddha.
You liar.
This is the same front end that you've been working on since April? This is the "race bike" that you kept putting me off for? The one that you swore would be finished by May 8th, because you couldn't find the time to work on it?
You're saying that I'd STILL be waiting on you, if I hadn't bought my front end elsewhere?
You're trying to shame the guy into paying you back, or put public pressure on him, but I applaud him. He screwed over the guy that tried to screw me over. Good for him.
As much business as you do here, and as much as you charge for these things, you'd think that you could absorb the price of a bad part here and there. But let's see: then you'd have to raise your prices, right?
If you were so backed up on work, why are you even worried about who my front end came from? You're not the only game in town; you just want everyone to think you are.
And, it's frankly none of your business. You lost my work order the second that I read where you convinced another member to sell a front end for $400, so nobody underbids you. Why don't we start calling you "Halliburton"?
Did you ask for detailed pictures of the tubes? Did you ask for pictures of the calipers, or just take his word for it? As much business as you do online, THIS is your insurance policy?
My bottom line:
I don't feel sorry for you, dude. Look at your business plan - you run a business based on other people's junk. Then, when someone sends you ACTUAL junk, you get all surprised and pissed off.
It sucks that you lost $200, but all you're doing is advertising that you don't check what you're buying. You're opening yourself up for it to happen again.
Request a picture next to a newspaper or something.
Or else, if you buy something from me - I'm sending you a brick. For lying to me.
I am sorry I didn't do any of that.
The race bike I am working on is joystick's bike, its scheduled for pick up on 25th due to him not racing @ barber due to work related changes. I am in close contact with him, if you read his intro - he is/was a coworker of mine.
I didn't tell werase to sell you the FE for 400. And its none of your business what I did tell him. But ask him exactly what I told him if you need to know. I dont believe there is any one else you can even be referring to, so You're wrong on this.
Yes you may have been waiting for me to do it. I only take up 1 at a time, and joystick is buying my bike I have been posting about it for months, cstilt is the only one I am working on that isn't mine.
Once again really this isn't any of your business, and you dont even have 1/2 the facts.
When someone says its good, and I have dealt with Josh on several things earlier I count it in. Yes it will happen again I know but I am not going to start distrusting people, and besides, josh and I dont have a disagreement over whether its good or not. Only who is paying for shipping it back. Huge difference.
I never tried to screw you over, really where are you imagining this from.
I also dont know when I lied to you. Yes I said last week april and we're in mid may and the stuff isn't done fine if you call that a lie fine I lied to you.
I actually dont run nothing. I really prefer to do FE swaps on your FE. Like you buy the FE, I'd machine the stem for the no spacer fit and make carriers for guages and fit them. That was why when the FE from josh came along I tried contacting cstilt about it.
I didn't ask for detailed pics of the tubes. I also didn't ask for caliper pics. I trusted josh to say as they are, and he did.
I think you're bored and are entertaining yourself. So dont let any of the facts or any damn thing else get in the way there.
And yes congrads on saving 200 bucks (you didn't but again dont let that stop you).
Also I could have well palmed it off on cstilt he'd never have known. The forks would leak, but when they lose about 1/2 the oil they will stop leaking. Sorry I dont do that either. I really am not answerable to you. I am answerable to my customer, and I lay out all the options for them. No surprises. Any option that comes in that can save $ I let them know also. But I also am not going to screw over my older customers. because most of them I gave the same options. I even gave my 2-3 ebay contacts who are local to some of my locals.
I gave cstilt an option that didn't pan out, I also gave joystick options, and everyone else that has bought things from me (ask mm75658, cal76, lopee etc) I think you're imagining things with 1/2 the facts. And yes your bike will not have been done till now you do have that right. That is all you got right though.
And, I took up cstilt's bike on the afternoon of May 4th, and inspite of this setback, his bike is to be test ridden today. Yes its not 90 mins, but that was my commitment to cstilt. I told him 2 weeks or so.
Cool.
Buddha.
You're not a liar? I don't have the facts?
Here's your break-down of your pricing:
"He didn't realise 100 was for the top triple weld up, and machining the stem, 150 for fork seals and 35 for bearings."
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=42137.0 (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=42137.0)
However, you were trying to charge me $450 just for the parts themselves, then charge me extra for all the same work you're talking about there.
Here you are selling the same front end, but saying it doesn't have new seals (like you just said it did, in the post above):
"BTW I also have a katana FE for $450+shipping ... It does not have new seals though."
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=41024.0
You're sure you're not lying?
Here's a prime example of your business ethics:
"I would buy it off you, but there is atleast 3 katana's lying face down in the mud in a 10 mile radius (cos I yanked their FE's) ... and them clowns have no clue, I can get it form them for less than the cost of priority mail from you to me."
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=44115.0 (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=44115.0)
Here you are talking about a worthless '88 front end (remember trying to sell me one for $300?):
"88 FE's ... not worth the effort of swapping over ... if it is the 39 ... its nearly useless. "
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=44115.0 (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=44115.0)
This is you bashing someone for daring to underbid you, and you trying to sell your own junk on the same thread:
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=47191.80 (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=47191.80)
This is you in April, but you say you were committed to a front end swap to CStilt at the time: (same thread)
"One more time for the hard of comprehension ... I am not selling a front end, and I have only sold 2 ever almost a year ago to GSTwin people (active) and I am not selling one now."
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=47191.80 (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=47191.80)
Here you are selling progressive springs for $90, WAAAAY over what they're worth retail:
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=41161.0 (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=41161.0)
"Progressives alone are $90"
Here's you saying that progressives are crap, anyway:
"Stock forks with progressives is a total waste of $$$ IMHO."
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=47191.40 (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=47191.40)
And again:
"progressives are a waste"
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=44115.0 (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=44115.0)
This is you laughing at someone not wanting to pay you $450, and buying rusted forks like you just did:
Its one of those things he does, He didn't want to pay 450 for my katana forks.
So he bought some rusted sheite"
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=42137.0 (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=42137.0)
And, yes, it's my business that you harass someone I was doing business with. You do it all the time on here. Selling things from under people, pushing your junk on other folk's threads, telling people how much they are allowed to sell things for.
Why are you even concerned about who I'm buying parts from? Do you know how f*cking creepy that is?
I can't even find the thread where you and another guy were pumping yourselves up about charging so much for the FE's. Talking about ebay prices, and gathering all the parts, etc, convincing another guy to bump the price up $250. But, according to you - you get these things all the time! "Three of them laying in the mud", remember?
I'm sure I don't have all the facts, but I have enough to tell me something is screwy.
And now look at you! Smearing someone's name over the price of shipping? Someone you've done regular business with?
And, it's not like you're a saint. Why don't you tell folks why you had to move states and change your username.... Something about a house foreclosure?
Quote from: wladziu on May 18, 2009, 12:32:46 PM
And, it's not like you're a saint. Why don't you tell folks why you had to move states and change your username.... Something about a house foreclosure?
No no no no F*(k no ... hell no ... no ... not even close.
No foreclsure, my wife was worried my employer will try to find me because I used to work for one of those financial houses and I left with serious trade secret information about some things. I didn't think so, but she wanted it ...
I'll respond to all the rest in a bit.
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: wladziu on May 18, 2009, 12:32:46 PM
You're not a liar? I don't have the facts?
Here's your break-down of your pricing:
"He didn't realise 100 was for the top triple weld up, and machining the stem, 150 for fork seals and 35 for bearings."
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=42137.0 (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=42137.0)
However, you were trying to charge me $450 just for the parts themselves, then charge me extra for all the same work you're talking about there.
Sorry kiddo, I was charging you 450 for the whole deal with new seals and some parts that you have not even imagined of. Werase knows a little about that, ask him. If he remembers. I was going to charge you extra (the nickel and dime business) for powdercoating the legs.
Quote from: wladziu on May 18, 2009, 12:32:46 PM
Here you are selling the same front end, but saying it doesn't have new seals (like you just said it did, in the post above):
"BTW I also have a katana FE for $450+shipping ... It does not have new seals though."
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=41024.0
That was april 2008 - 1 year ago. And I had new bearings in it. Sorry never even close to selling it to you, its been gone for over a year.
Quote from: wladziu on May 18, 2009, 12:32:46 PM
You're sure you're not lying?
Yes I am absolutely sure I am not lying. except about taking on your bike 3 weeks ago.
Quote from: wladziu on May 18, 2009, 12:32:46 PM
Here's a prime example of your business ethics:
"I would buy it off you, but there is atleast 3 katana's lying face down in the mud in a 10 mile radius (cos I yanked their FE's) ... and them clowns have no clue, I can get it form them for less than the cost of priority mail from you to me."
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=44115.0 (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=44115.0)
Here you are talking about a worthless '88 front end (remember trying to sell me one for $300?):
"88 FE's ... not worth the effort of swapping over ... if it is the 39 ... its nearly useless. "
Sorry where did I try to sell you a 39mm fork ... you mis heard something. I was around a lot of noise (my welders shop is by rail road tracks and there is 2 more shops that hammer away at stuff all day long) ... No one here has ever seen me recomend or even talk about anything but 89-95 kat forks. I think you were not hearing things right ... maybe I had to repeat cos I heard a noise as I was saying these numbers. No worthless 39 mm nothing ... never had it, and never talked about it (or not intentionally) ...
Lying face down in the mud does not mean I can get it out from the mud for free. You have that 220 cycles in your town, he has a lot of things in the mud, try to buy it from him. Worthless = I wont buy it ... not that they will let it go free.
Quote from: wladziu on May 18, 2009, 12:32:46 PM
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=44115.0 (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=44115.0)
This is you bashing someone for daring to underbid you, and you trying to sell your own junk on the same thread:
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=47191.80 (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=47191.80)
Not selling my parts in that thread. Just recomending somethign different for various reasons.
Quote from: wladziu on May 18, 2009, 12:32:46 PM
This is you in April, but you say you were committed to a front end swap to CStilt at the time: (same thread)
"One more time for the hard of comprehension ... I am not selling a front end, and I have only sold 2 ever almost a year ago to GSTwin people (active) and I am not selling one now."
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=47191.80 (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=47191.80)
Did you ever see me post about selling a FE. I also agreed to sell you a FE. I didn't sell it in that post and I got you and cstilt to ask me for them. I dont post anythign but machining. That doesn't mean I dont have a Kat FE ... and if someone buys it its their option. I present it to them as such.
Quote from: wladziu on May 18, 2009, 12:32:46 PM
Here you are selling progressive springs for $90, WAAAAY over what they're worth retail:
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=41161.0 (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=41161.0)
"Progressives alone are $90"
Oh niiiiice ... very nice ... OK dude, sorry, not my progressives, not my forks and I was selling it because its owner asked me to and the prices were called by him. And I wont tell you who it is, but you can ask werase and check if it does or does not belong to me.
Quote from: wladziu on May 18, 2009, 12:32:46 PM
Here's you saying that progressives are crap, anyway:
"Stock forks with progressives is a total waste of $$$ IMHO."
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=47191.40 (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=47191.40)
And again:
"progressives are a waste"
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=44115.0 (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=44115.0)
Yes progressives are a waste, and the ones I have prove it. That does not mean I wont sell it for someone else because who ever owns it has been nice enough to let me borrow it and I would like to return the favor by selling it when he ask me to.
Quote from: wladziu on May 18, 2009, 12:32:46 PM
This is you laughing at someone not wanting to pay you $450, and buying rusted forks like you just did:
Its one of those things he does, He didn't want to pay 450 for my katana forks.
So he bought some rusted sheite"
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=42137.0 (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=42137.0)
Yes I bought rusted forks thinking they were good from my trusted friend. This guy bought seriously brown forks cos they were like very very cheap and tried to get them to work. Out of context.
Quote from: wladziu on May 18, 2009, 12:32:46 PM
And, yes, it's my business that you harass someone I was doing business with. You do it all the time on here. Selling things from under people, pushing your junk on other folk's threads, telling people how much they are allowed to sell things for.
Why are you even concerned about who I'm buying parts from? Do you know how f*cking creepy that is?
I am sorry, you following my posts is creepy and you claiming sheite that I didn't say as what I have said is down right lying. I'll be sure not to do any of the other things though I usually dont.
Quote from: wladziu on May 18, 2009, 12:32:46 PM
I can't even find the thread where you and another guy were pumping yourselves up about charging so much for the FE's. Talking about ebay prices, and gathering all the parts, etc, convincing another guy to bump the price up $250. But, according to you - you get these things all the time! "Three of them laying in the mud", remember?
You cant find the thread because its in your head. Three of them lying in the mud - dont have any front end any more.
Quote from: wladziu on May 18, 2009, 12:32:46 PM
I'm sure I don't have all the facts, but I have enough to tell me something is screwy.
And now look at you! Smearing someone's name over the price of shipping? Someone you've done regular business with?
Your facts are all nearly wrong or 1/2 true, or out of context or out of date. Something is screwy all right ...
Smearing over shipping yes, I fess up. However when we worked it out I also posted back and PM'ed him.
Cool.
Buddha. - Srinath.
If you have to look so freaking hard for the last year+ about what I did and didn't do and this is all you come up with when I have really never shown any discretion really ... I am begining to look like "the buddha".
Keep looking, I am pretty sure you can cut and paste different post snippets into a nice picture of me.
I also managed to get on other sites, like maxim and savage etc and got some posts there too.
I sell stuff on savage site, so maybe you can see what I sold where ...
Cool.
Srinath.
The truth is, if I had remembered werase still had it, I'd have sent you to him and I'd have been there with cheap beer to bug him.
I need to give him his GSXR tail section anyway.
Cool.
Srinath.
Quote from: The Buddha on May 18, 2009, 01:17:23 PM
Sorry kiddo, I was charging you 450 for the whole deal with new seals and some parts that you have not even imagined of. Werase knows a little about that, ask him. If he remembers. I was going to charge you extra (the nickel and dime business) for powdercoating the legs.
Bullsh!t. You told me $450, and that you hadn't even touched the seals and bearings. $50 for the seals, $50 for the gauge carrier crap, and extra for the welded stem. And, yeah, extra for powdercoating... which would have been really freaking nice on $450 of USED parts.
Forget Werase. Why don't you tell ME what these mysterious, unimaginable parts were? Your autograph on the calipers?
I find it incredibly hard to believe that you would be giving away parts without mention, as much as you grub for $$ around here. Solicitation is like your biggest skill - you were trying to sell me this same stupid FE back in September, when I replaced my brake system!
Complain all you want. "Buyer Beware!" "Buyer Beware!" Whatever... Pot calling the kettle a crook, if you ask me.
That extra numbers were all prices I was going to drop ... you didn't hear anything right.
450 -50 if you dont want the carriers, -50 if you didn't want new seals, and I cant powdercoat legs that aren't split, and I had legs that have been coated and it will ahve to be extra and you're stuck with the new seal one ... come on man, your memory cant be this bad.
Whatever, I am not giving anything away free, but I also dont charge for things I dont do ...
Here is one more thing for you ... I recomended you part your bike when you didn't have a title ... OK not sink $$ and effort into it. Look in the post you made about the crash you had.
Sorry man, you didn't understand what I was saying. I have unit prices for everything. Headlight ears modded GS ears with grommets, fits like stock, $25 - included in a 450 FE. 04's need banana bars, 25 included in the 450 ... one of those 2 only cos fairing bike dont need ears.
Seriously you really aren't subtracting when you should and adding instead. I also wont split a fine FE, and you pay for a FE when you start the job, cos I cant have people say, yea they want it, and never show with $.
I will charge you for everything, but when you need X I dont sell you Y. You only buy what you need. You need float needles, I dont try to sell you a whole carb.
Yea I prolly tried to sell you FE in sept, I sometimes dont draw the line between advise and sales pitch. But that's all you got. Sorry your count of what I'd do with the FE was off. And I'd like ot see any one who would do Fork seals parts and labor for 50. Even forgetting the mystery magic parts. And sorry mystery magic parts are not in the calipers ... forks. I am not going to tell you, there is someone else involved in that and its his trade secret. All I can tell you is, It will really really extend your fork seal life ... better than new. And sorry you dont get this information, its not somethign I have found, it really involved someone else who gets to make a serious living doing these things in race cars. Sorry ... not you , not any one here and i have mentioned it in passing to people (2 if I remember and that's all you're getting from me on this)
BTW powdercoat - yes looks a little crappy ... if you had come to see it, I'd have shown you and I also told you as much.
Thanks for helping me solicit. Maybe it only looks that way cos of all the questions from people ...
Cool.
Srinath.
Quote from: wladziu on May 18, 2009, 03:38:50 PM
Quote from: The Buddha on May 18, 2009, 01:17:23 PM
Sorry kiddo, I was charging you 450 for the whole deal with new seals and some parts that you have not even imagined of. Werase knows a little about that, ask him. If he remembers. I was going to charge you extra (the nickel and dime business) for powdercoating the legs.
Bullsh!t.
You told me $450, and that you hadn't even touched the seals and bearings. $50 for the seals, $50 for the gauge carrier crap, and extra for the welded stem. And, yeah, extra for powdercoating... which would have been really freaking nice on $450 of USED parts.
Forget Werase. Why don't you tell ME what these mysterious, unimaginable parts were? Your autograph on the calipers?
I find it incredibly hard to believe that you would be giving away parts without mention, as much as you grub for $$ around here. Solicitation is like your biggest skill - you were trying to sell me this same stupid FE back in September, when I replaced my brake system!
Complain all you want. "Buyer Beware!" "Buyer Beware!" Whatever... Pot calling the kettle a crook, if you ask me.
I was talking to cstilt before you, and please ask him what I was charging him for what.
Cool.
Buddha.
Won't do you any good to question my memory or cognition.
The only "discount" you said you'd give was if I wanted different forks: the ones without rebound, and the ones without dual disks (the 88's you swear you didn't mention).
You wanted $300 for the '88's, $400 for the others, $450 for the good ones, $50 for seals, $50 for carrier bracket, and $100 for powdercoating.
You kept talking about discounts, but you never dropped below $450 unless I opted for "worthless" forks. (You forgot that I cross-reference to your earlier posts. Doesn't take a genius...)
Also didn't take a genius to figure out how badly you want to get rid of those crappy forks... especially given the awkward pauses you put after your sales pitches.
And that no one else wants to buy then for the same reasons.
And that's how you lost my business, sounding like a cheap, desperate info-merccial salesman.
And then you go and harrass someone I chose to buy from instead.
Regardless, you told another guy on here that all that stuff is included (except coating).
Yet, you talk about screwing over past customers by dropping prices.
So are you doing them favors by charging more, or just being greedy?
Alright, let's subtract:
$25 for headlight ears? Fixed mine for free...
$25 for banana bars? I didn't need them...
$50 for gauge carrier bracket? Fixed with $.02 of aluminum
$50 for seals? But, you're saying you won't change seals for less than $150... And, why are you selling forks that need new seals?
$50 less for different forks
That's $200 total.
$450 - $200 = $250
So, how much for Katana forks with dual disks and rebound?
$450 or $250?
And, don't say the extra is for labor. You said labor would be free. Want me to pull the quote?
Quote from: The Buddha on May 18, 2009, 04:00:26 PM
I will charge you for everything, but when you need X I dont sell you Y. You only buy what you need. You need float needles, I dont try to sell you a whole carb.
Are you kidding me? You do this all the time! You're f*cking FAMOUS for it.
I don't give a crap about mysterious super-duper fork-seal-saver treatment.
But, why were you trying to charge me to replace the seals, if the secret is so good?
More snake-oil salesmanship.
Dude, you can argue for weeks, but everyone here knows your style. They're just too scared to say it, in case they need they need carb work or something out of your f*cking junkyard.
They'd wise up and realize you aren't the only show in town, if you stopped peddling your junk every day. That's why you're spending so much time arguing with me here.
Personally, I've got nothing to gain or lose.
Since you said - Won't do you any good to question my memory or cognition.
I guess that leaves your integrity then.
And -
Sorry man, all of this is wrong. And I dont have the energy to quote you to refute every point.
1. No one has ever heard me mention anything without dual disks. So I dunno who you were talking to ... certainly not me.
2. No one has ever heard me mention anything without rebound. Again dunno who it was that you talked to. I dont even sell rear shocks that got no rebound.
3. I did say I'd sell you 96 and later for 350 didn't I - and if I didn't its cos that was locked by cstilt. Those you may have misunderstood, do have rebound, they have non DOP calipers. Legs are fine calipers are not as good. Maybe you thought those didn't have rebound.
4. I had to cover whoever was in front of you. I am sorry people who have committed, have paid for things regardless of what it is they decide to do and are working on finding out what works and how for them are going to get priority. If we dont get a consensus I give them a refund and move on. Sorry cstilt was going to get what he wanted before you did.
5. I harassed werase only cos he posted in this thread about the forks he sold you. Very first post after mine.
6. People are scared to say it - really ... why are there no stores or shops that do bike work or whatever in america ... really.
7. And all of it is included for 450, and I have actually posted before that is it and sold it too. There have been some changes, like I used to have a stem with new bearings (which are a huge upgrade over the stock suzuki bearings but in many cases its not neccesary, so I have moved away form it unless I got bad bearings to start with.
8. 100 bucks for powdercoating are you on crack. I dont even believe I gave you a number for this, and really, you have no right to say anything, powdercoating is handed off to a different place, and I recently was quoted 60 for psyber_optix's wheel ... you're out of your mind.
9. Headlight ears - you didn't need em, so I wont charge you. You fixed it for free cos who ever did your FE did you a favor ... banana bars - not needed for 89-00, 50 for carrier bracket - I am yet to make it and your aluminum is a solid mount, you can do that even if I was doing your FE besides that bracket is a new design, I am yet to even get a working proto. Till last year I used to charge 50 bucks for a GS ear set cut and welded to a kat top triple. Again grommet mount. If you want them hard mounted, there is always the sheet of aluminum.
10. Seals on a fork is 150 bucks of which its prolly 50 or so in parts. No one will do it for less unless they were already in your debt. At 150 its still a loser if you took it to a real shop. I'd do it for 50 only because these forks are already apart, and I got them that way. You do realise that parts of forks dont sell for very much. I took em apart, 3-4 sets in fact, put all the good parts together and they need seals before they are useable. They are all 89-95, all identical bits, good was put in the set and bad was tossed out. If its all fit back together it would cost you 450.
11. 50 less for different forks - maybe this is how you remember the 96-98, also realise that I cannot split perfectly good forks and do seals for 50 bucks.
You've arrived at 250 finally but it does involve some impossiblities. Seals and different forks cant ... 1 sec ...
96-98 forks 350 (I quoted this to CStilt so I am not making up this and I also told you) carrier bracket -50, headlight ears -25, banana bars (though cstilt is getting these) -25. Its 250. Do the same with 89-95 forks it will be 400 instead of 350 but remember I didn't have one of those, and that was why I bought from joshr08 etc etc. WhenI did that I was going to sell that to cstilt for the cost I paid joshr08, much closer to the 250 than the 300. That was really why I bought it.
Labor would be free if you were working with me on it. Yes. I have often invited several people including average for various things, but I am not that well set up really to do a very efficient job on these things. However cal76 and mm75658 did come over do a carb and pipe job as well as some others have come with other things to work on. I am no where as nice as werase's setup though. Cramped, chaotic, out in the weather etc etc.
And this actually summarizes your lack of understanding of anythign mechanical.
I don't give a crap about mysterious super-duper fork-seal-saver treatment.
But, why were you trying to charge me to replace the seals, if the secret is so good?
More snake-oil salesmanship.
The secret isn't a substitue for fork seals. I have them do something to the forks when they are apart. The fork seals have to be replaced once you open it. The process can only be done to forks that are split. It makes fork seals last a lot longer than they will other wise.
After you skip all the extras you would still have a steering lock that works and the lock will be flush with the top face.
Look at these pics.
http://picasaweb.google.com/srinath.the.man/KatFEPics#
Look at the way the dash fits the triple. Look at what the headlight and the headlight ears look like, look at the grommets. That is what you are paying extra for.
I am sorry the machinist I use is actually cheaper to get the stem turned, threaded, and the boss cut out. He has a 4 jaw independent head chuck and a spindle carrier with bearings. He would take 10-15 mins to set up the job, but once its in, turn, thread, cut done in another 10-15. The ironic thing is the spacer method, goes like this. Set up, turn. Remove it. Set up the aluminum. Turn spacer 1. Cut. Turn spacer 2. Cut. It would cost more @ the machinist. Then I dont have to weld the thread boss back in ... and that really equals out.
However a hobby machinist does not have the capacity to thread. So they turn the stem. Then they turn spacers. If I had a lathe I'd do that too. I dont have either, and its break even either way for me.
You were talking about powdercoating this and that, why dont you ask who ever did your forks to powdercoat them.
You wanted new seals, why didn't you ask whoever did yours to give you a new seal job.
You were jerking me around way before you posted on this thread, and I was giving cstilt the higher priority so you weren't getting anywhere. So you decide to lash out where you really have no reason.
Cool.
Srinath.
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=41328.0
Going back to may 2008. OK. If you read that, it had new stem bearings, and I had welded top triple for guages. Where is your cross reference now.
So I wasn't calling it 450 + all the extra stuff, It was 450 way before you ever asked me for all of it included. The thing though, this FE could not have had anything left out. You're stuck with the GS ears on the kat triple, and the new bearings in the stem. Now I can omit or leave a lot of the original things and save $. Which when we spoke you started adding instead of subtracting. That was an 89-95 one, with rebound and twin disks. The pics should tell you.
Cool.
Srinath.
And there we are. The root of the matter. My word against yours.
You finally get around to it. After trying to bash my reputation around, also.
Running out of excuses, hunh? No more room left to run? No more "spin" left?
1. YOU'RE the one that stands to lose business.
2. I have NOTHING to gain or lose in this argument. No one likes me here, already, and I don't give a crap either way.
3. I used to respect you, until I noticed your sneaky ways.
4. Back up everything you've said, like I have. Try it. You've got nothing. Just excuse after excuse after excuse.
Insult my intelligence, my integrity, hell, insult my grammar. That's all you've got.
You back-track, throw pepper on the trail to throw off someone that's got you figured out, and basically weasel your way out of every
argument on here.
Where's your right to question my grasp of mechanical concepts?
Crack open the water pump on the latest Cummins 4-cylinder. I designed that. I've got a patent pending on a new industrial engine hoist used in their robotic manufacturing process. I helped TEACH Solidworks, the first freshman at my university to ever hold such a position in the engineering department.
I left mechanical engineering because I was BORED. Not enough challenge.
What have you got, Buddha?
The fact that you've been working on motorcycles for up-teen years, yet you needed two people to TEACH you how to change a front end?
And a yard full of parts that you've scrounged because you can't find challenge in life?
You design childish little parts and you clean carbs. And you flood an internet forum so everyone thinks you're a genius and pays you respect.
You hold a mediocre ethical system that lets you find any possible loophole to wring a dollar out of somebody, when you're clever enough to hide it.
It's cowardly, greedy, underhanded... serves you right that someone screwed you over, finally.
Thanks man. Its too big to go in my sig, but I pulled my favorite into it. Bye now, have a nice life.
BTW this last post of your has nothing of substance except conjecture, name calling and your opinion. Hence I am walking away, you dont have any more valid points about this or that.
Yea, you must be bored with mechanical engineering, and must be designing water pumps and getting patents on things. Yes, that must be why you have a crashed GS you didn't get a title for the normal way and are nickeling and diming me about FE's (and its my damn FE, I sell it for what I please to whom I please) Yea. Its on the internet, so it must be true.
Cool.
Srinath.
Text in red added 1.53 pm EST.
Even though it has been somewhat entertaining, and I went through some popcorn reading the posts, this thread should be locked and put to rest.
i concur..
Aye, lock or farm it.... two well respected forum members only doing damage to their reps...
Guys, I dont want to touch it. You are free to ask any other mod to do it.
Cool.
Buddha.
I'll do it, it's becoming a bit tiresome.