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Title: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: wladziu on June 29, 2009, 08:59:14 AM
I've been shadowing a pediatrician, lately, and I go back today for another week. 

If any of you have problems you don't mind PMing, I can ask him stuff for you.   (Okay, now that that's in print, it sounds weird.)  Nevermind.


Anyways, yay me!  I get to play with kids all day, and learn stuff!  Dude says he expects me to land a surgical specialty! 
Awesome, awesome, awesome!
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: grayghost on June 29, 2009, 09:03:42 AM
yeah, is it true pediatricians play "minature" golf on wednesdays?
is it true they're so tempermental because they have "little" patients?
is the doctor's name "Petey" Attrick?

i'll get back with you when i have some more.
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: wladziu on June 29, 2009, 09:07:31 AM
Haha!



Can't have kids for another 8 years or so, so it's pretty cool to be around some for a while. 

Other than watching my neighbors' through their window.  Is that creepy?  Why do they keep throwing things at me? 
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: jserio on June 29, 2009, 10:32:11 AM
i'm actually about to take our 6 year old to the pediatrician/family doctor. best of luck with the shadowing!
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: wladziu on June 29, 2009, 10:59:01 AM
Be sure to ask for a sticker!
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: jserio on June 29, 2009, 02:12:01 PM
they actually get dum-dums(suckers).  :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on June 29, 2009, 02:14:13 PM
not YOU  jserio, your child
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: wladziu on June 29, 2009, 03:47:26 PM
3 kids with H1N1.  At least the mortality rate isn't as bad as last century's. 

And, sh!t on a shingle, lacrosse seems like a fun sport!  One kid came in with a broken C-spine process, had had it for weeks. 
Wish i knew about THAT sport when I was 10 - "here's a 6 ft pole, go smack that other kid!"
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: wladziu on June 29, 2009, 03:53:06 PM
Taking the hospital orientation class this week, hopefully, so I'll finally get into an ED.  Maybe even an OR!


Did you know "operatory tech" requires certification, nowadays, Mary?  (I know you're lurking, you sneaky minx...)
A class, sure, but all-out certification?  How's a pre-med supposed to volunteer, if you gotta take classes on top of a full schedule just to qualify to work for free?
"Congratulations... you're now state-certified to clean an autoclave!" (which clean themselves, as soon as you turn it on  :icon_rolleyes:)
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: spc on June 29, 2009, 04:15:33 PM
shadowing, stalking, same difference right???
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: wladziu on June 29, 2009, 04:53:49 PM
Basically. 





So, when are you getting a loan to open a gym?  I'll send you a book to help you write the proposal, if you want.  Gotta send it back, though. 
Took a class in it two semesters ago.  The old broad that teaches it reviewed a proposal a few years ago, the guy used it and got awarded $2.5 million for a new restaurant.  Supposedly has a fish tank for a floor, somewhere in South Carolina. 
She's already said she'd review anything I gave her...
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: wladziu on June 29, 2009, 05:03:36 PM
Besides, it's not hard.  Just gotta know ALL the expenses: towels, disinfectant, chalk, blah blah blah, cost of a building.  Then, the lower to upper ranges of expected income for the area, based on other gyms.  Sure, the economy's down, but you know better than me whether people are still paying dues.  Besides, costs are down.  Folks might appreciate a place with lower dues.  I dunno. 

Or an indoor range.  Price of lead's sky-high, though... 
Blah. 

Sucks to see you training for the military.  You'd be a good business-owner. 
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: spc on June 29, 2009, 05:18:07 PM
Opening an indoor range right now would be suicide.  Startup is insane, the lead filtration systems are 500k+ for 1-2 lanes and you really have to have at least 6 lanes.   A 24 hour gym just went belly up here, but I have the feeling it was poorly managed.  There's a lot of demand here for a 24hr gym and a new one could probably do quite well, especially if it kept monthly dues under $50. 

I've been working on the guy that owns Mission Essential to open a store in SC, somewhere between here and MCRDPI.  This area could desperately use a store of that caliber (pun fully intended).  A normal gun shop with knowledgeable and enthusiastic staff, also licensed for class III transfers, could do quite well.  The only major gun shop in the area is sky high on prices ($20/hr range time, most handguns are $75+ over MSRP, FMJ ammo is $26+/box...........) and their staff are all sleazy sh!tbags with no real firearms knowledge.


I probably would/will make a good business owner, but right now that nagging voice is pushing me to finish some things.  Fuch, all those nervous ticks are coming back.  I went into a public restroom the other day and did a visual clear of all stalls and checked the reflection for anything behind the door as I opened.  The guy taking a piss thought I was insane.   Besides, I have this odd feeling that once I make it past jumping out of a perfectly good aircraft, I'll be pretty happy as a 37F.
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: wladziu on June 29, 2009, 06:46:42 PM
Quote from: spc on June 29, 2009, 05:18:07 PMbut right now that nagging voice is pushing me to finish some things.  Fuch, all those nervous ticks are coming back.  I went into a public restroom the other day and did a visual clear of all stalls and checked the reflection for anything behind the door as I opened.  The guy taking a piss thought I was insane.   Besides, I have this odd feeling that once I make it past jumping out of a perfectly good aircraft, I'll be pretty happy as a 37F.


That's what I kept telling myself, too.  And, you see how weird I've become. 
That's why I would like to see you do something else.

Just saying... that voice never goes away, it only gets worse. 
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: wladziu on June 30, 2009, 02:47:02 PM
Two week friggin' wait for a simple 1/2-hour orientation, just to volunteer at a hospital. 
My summer's now shot to he!l. 

Why's it so difficult just to work for someone for free? 




Can't volunteer at a clinic, because apparently males intimidate female patients.  Even while folding towels...
Hospital's full of wannabe nurses, packing the rosters for a chance to wash bedpans.
I've tried wearing slacks and a nice shirt, even a suit, once.  Simply ridiculous. 

Even the local HIV clinic won't allow patient contact!  Can't even deliver friggin' groceries without certification. 
:2guns:
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on June 30, 2009, 03:20:43 PM
i hear ya
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: spc on June 30, 2009, 03:57:24 PM
Pssssh, suits are for dorks.  Saks off 5th is clearing their nat Nast collections out, that'll send the right message.
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: wladziu on June 30, 2009, 11:05:24 PM
Whassat? 

Metallic purple pimp-suits? 




Met the Trauma Program Manager in the cafeteria.  I think she was impressed by my choice of sandwich, the very manly Steakhouse Beef Dip. 
So, I've got a spot in the ED, now.  Four hours every morning.

Oh yeah!  Suck it, shop teacher who said I'd end up in prison! 
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 01, 2009, 01:53:01 AM
If you run into him again say hey im into drugs, needles, ( and other ed/md type stuff, leade doc references out) and see what he says, THEN mention what you are getting into now  :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: wladziu on July 01, 2009, 09:48:59 AM
Isn't it ridiculous how they always turn it around to say: "Well, glad I helped inspire you", or some such sh!t?



Just sucks that I'll hve to go back into the Army.  But, I'll be patching up guys like I used to be.  And, maybe I'll get a chance to run into my old LT...


What exactly do you do to a guy that tried to leave you for dead? 
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 01, 2009, 11:27:04 AM
you COULD take your time helping him. (within professional responsibility of course) odds are you would outrank him soon enough ;)
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: Toogoofy317 on July 01, 2009, 01:46:02 PM
Maybe slip an air bubble in the syringe. That could make for quite a painful death!

As for the Surgical Tech one of my roommates was one two year degree but made good dough at Arnold Palmer. I'm thinking about volunteering at the hospital. Actually, I was thinking of asking a good friend who is a chaplin at Florida Hospital South to do a shadow with him for a day. He is the chaplin for the life flight team ATM oh I wouldn't mind doing a day on the chopper! He is sooo happy to be doing it (he loves choppers) think I may stop in at the Army Navy store tomorrow and pick him up a set of chaplins crosses for his new flight suit!

I know helping people is my calling. Nothing in my life fulfilled me more than being an EMT. But, I guess it was not in God's plan so maybe this is.

Have fun in the ED. It is no where near as exciting as TV portrays it. More like Scrubs than ER! If your patient has a head injury have a bed pan in you hand to block the projectile vomit. Don't ask me how I know! Be prepared to be treated like a developmentally disabled child in the ED as well. I believe I told every person that the drunk guy that they had strapped down and forced a foley in till he bled that he had CSF coming out his ear. Had just learned the gauze trick earlier that day. After two hours they took him to CT and found the bleed! Neurologist was screaming at everyone ED doc said no way to know that then I blurted "I told you two hours ago" Neurologist said "how did you know probie?" "Gauze in the ear blood in the center and clear fluid around that" "Jesus Christ a student can now do what a DR. Can't" Let's say I was sent home early!

Mary
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: cstilt on July 01, 2009, 05:06:41 PM
It's actually pretty hard to kill someone with an air bubble in a syringe.  If I had to go any certain route I'd probably use succinylcholine. Something about being paralized and awake while you smother. Eww...scares me just thinking about it. Pretty undetectable too.

My advice for the ER.  Give fluids before vasopressors. You can't get the vasculature to constrict on what isn't there. Not everyone needs stress ulcer proph. or DVT proph. If they do need SUP, use an H2RA unless there's an actual indication for a PPI. They cost less, work as well for SUP and you avoid a couple other issues.  Propofol is a negative chronotrope and inotrope. Careful with it.  Levofloxacin doesn't cure everything. 1gm q12 of vanc is NOT a once size fits all dose. It's weight based. Order in units of 250mg please. Phenytoin and and fosphenytoin are weight based too. Please load with 15mg-20mg/kg instead of the lovely 1gm. Clin specs in the unit will make fun of you if you get that one wrong. Oh, and please don't be the guy who writes "amiodarone" per protocol, or any other drug for that matter. Just write the directions and paramaters and save everyone some trouble of figuring it out. This came up at work today and a nurse was freaking out about it.

And finally, if you have a narcotic addict screaming in pain be sure to call security if you hear someone say "just give him some Talwin". It WILL send them into withdrawl, and you will have a hell of a time with them.

Hope atleast one of those things helps you out. Although I know you're a smart person, it might have been just a refresher for you.
Goodluck in the ED!  :thumb:

Chris
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: wladziu on July 01, 2009, 06:50:37 PM
Come on! 
You know undergrads aren't given that kind of information.  Explain, please!  Everything after vasoconstriction.  At least about Propofol!


My wife's gonna be pissed.  She wanted to go to a movie tonight. 
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: spc on July 01, 2009, 08:10:41 PM
Quote from: wladziu on July 01, 2009, 09:48:59 AM
Just sucks that I'll hve to go back into the Army.  But, I'll be patching up guys like I used to be.  And, maybe I'll get a chance to run into my old LT...
What exactly do you do to a guy that tried to leave you for dead? 

WhaWhaWhat!?!?!?  If ya come across some busted up sh!thead who's giving you a lot of lip with my name on the tape just kick him in the ass, give him some ibuprofen and send him back out.


I didn't say this, but.............you have heard of the term fragging right?
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: cstilt on July 01, 2009, 08:30:57 PM
I was thinking you were in med school already. My bad.
Chronotrope is heart rate and inotrope is about contractility. Propofol has calcium channel blocking activity(heart rate, vasodilation, force of contraction). So if you give it to someone who is oh say septic and having a hard time keeping their blood pressure up. Something that makes the heart work less efficiently would not be a great idea.
Here's a good quote about it:
Propofol causes vasodilation with a subsequent decrease in systemic vascular resistance. Likewise, because it's both a negative inotrope (causing the heart to pump less forcefully) and a negative chronotrope (causing the heart rate to decrease), propofol can cause a decrease in cardiac output. The combined impact on systemic vascular resistance and cardiac output often manifests through hypotension.

I'm afraid it'd take several posts to explain all that stuff. I can try to go over any part of it that you'd like though. Most med residents and many MD's get the stuff I told you wrong. The DVT and SUP stuff, important no doubt, but not as important as the vasopressors and phenytoin dosing parts. Those can have life and death consequences if you get them wrong.

Don't feel bad about not knowing something. It took me 3years undergrad, 4years gradschool and a year residency to understand all that stuff. lol I'm not a MD though. Just a PharmD
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: Toogoofy317 on July 01, 2009, 10:28:19 PM
I thought that was what the drug reps were supposed to do you know on those wonderful retreats for CE credits! They will tell you everything :thumb:. No sarcasam dripping from that at all  :icon_rolleyes:

Here's ya a case study: 25 y/o female working at hospital has sudden onset of central to left sided chest pain with shortness of breath. Has history of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, AICD implant, Bp 80/20, Resperations labored at 24, pulse 52, O2 sat 92%, troponins 1.2, CKMB neg, positive D-dimer, EKG shows inverted T waves with high QRS voltage, C02 19%, glucose 65, CBC normal ......

Okay what's wrong?

Thought I'd have a little fun

Mary
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 01, 2009, 10:30:33 PM
Hey mary was that you when the gal ran out of room at some point ? ( somehting about lack of a pulse or bp or somehting?
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: wladziu on July 02, 2009, 11:08:42 AM
Quote from: Toogoofy317 on July 01, 2009, 10:28:19 PM
Here's ya a case study: 25 y/o female working at hospital has sudden onset of central to left sided chest pain with shortness of breath. Has history of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, AICD implant, Bp 80/20, Resperations labored at 24, pulse 52, O2 sat 92%, troponins 1.2, CKMB neg, positive D-dimer, EKG shows inverted T waves with high QRS voltage, C02 19%, glucose 65, CBC normal ......

AICD didn't activate?  Vagus nerve problem? 

I'm still not 100% on 'tropes (thanks, CStilt!).  I'll get it, just had to help the wife write a report last night.  Cut my reading short. 

I know you already have the answer (of course, it's not you we're discussing...), but is the cardiac tissue being stimulated correctly?  Don't laugh at the idiot pre-med, though.  Let me try, at least. 
I dont' know the levels, yet, but is 19% CO2 high enough to stimulate an autonomic response from the CO2 "sensor" in the peak of the aorta (forget it's name)?   If CNS communication to the heart was disrupted along the vagus (leaving the heart to depend on autonomic function), but the autonomic stimulators or channels were fatigued or momentarily synaptically saturated, would you have the same results?  But, wouldn't that also suggest long-term dizziness and fatigue previous to presentation?   
Potassium abnormality?  no...
Certainly not valve calcification...
Cerebral ischemia presenting without stroke symptoms, somehow?  Nah...

Crap!  I just don't know enough about the heart, yet!  Or very much of anything! 
But, thanks for pointing out areas of improvement, Terminatrix ( :icon_mrgreen:).  And, you too, CStilt!





Feel free to post more of this stuff, guys.  Please. 
There's no one around to talk about things like this, and my family's tired of me picking their medical issues apart.  Online patient studies have gotten so boring, for lack of interactivity.  A fella could be stabbing around in the dark for centuries, reading without any real direction. 
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: Toogoofy317 on July 02, 2009, 08:30:31 PM
Nope no firing of AICD. Potassium was low normal but enough to activate protocol if I'm not mistaken it was 3.0. Patient was in ED waiting approximately 2.5 hours when 02 sats dropped to 82% was sent to trauma room for 02 stabilization bp dropped to 72/30 with dizziness and severe left sided pain. EKG remained the same with hr of 60. CT scan was done 1.2cm mass found in left lung.......

Mary
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 02, 2009, 08:44:37 PM
1.2 cm mass Eh? whatlocation in lung?
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: cstilt on July 03, 2009, 12:48:43 PM
Here's my wild shot in the dark. The patient threw a PE
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: Toogoofy317 on July 03, 2009, 04:33:47 PM
Ding! Ding! We have a winner! BTW PE's suck A$$. Heperain is a close second.

Mary
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 03, 2009, 04:49:56 PM
a pulmonary embolism?
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: Toogoofy317 on July 03, 2009, 06:11:19 PM
Yup!

Mary
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: wladziu on July 03, 2009, 07:34:12 PM
Did I mention I have a tendency to look for the hardest problem to fix?
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 04, 2009, 03:01:09 AM
Yup youve been workin on me for the last lil while lmao  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: Toogoofy317 on July 04, 2009, 11:54:22 AM
Well, it took 2.5 hours in the waiting room and me almost crashing before they brought me back. At least you were "looking". I almost died in my own hospital!

Mary
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 04, 2009, 06:35:48 PM
i tell ya mary, there AINT no excuse whatsoever for that sh|t :(
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: jserio on July 04, 2009, 09:37:03 PM
it's sad really, the care given in some ER's.
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: spc on July 14, 2009, 10:12:55 PM
So how's the stalking going, Wladziu?
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: cafeboy on July 14, 2009, 10:13:56 PM
I think he may be gone for a while  :dunno_white:
Title: Re: Shadowing a pediatrician
Post by: yamahonkawazuki on July 15, 2009, 04:05:43 AM
Ehhh lad is lad ya know. hell be here3 ALOT tehn drift away for a few days. then hes here again. got a pm from him recently