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Title: Help - Cleaned, jetted, synced carbs - running poorly now
Post by: jvitzu on September 07, 2009, 11:50:20 AM
I just finished cleaning, syncing (eyeball, but I'm pretty sure both butterfly valves are dead even) and jetting the carbs on a '04 GS.  From completely stock and running, I went to a lunchbox filter and 20/62.5/140 jets.  I know that a lunchbox and stock exhaust is sketchy, but the bolts inside the stock airbox broke when I took it off.

Here is my problem:
Bike has difficulty starting w/o full choke and a little bit of throttle finesse to get it > 500rpm.  Idle with choke is shaky at ~1300rpm and if I give it some more throttle it will hover at about 3500rpm until I let the choke off.  Once I do that, the bike will stall or idle roughly at 1100rpm before stalling.  Turning up the choke again at that point does nothing - the engine will still stay at 1100rpm and eventually die.  If I give it a good amount of throttle, it will go up to ~7000rpm and then stall completely.  All over the band, there are varying amounts of vibration.  Also I get the occaisional misfire that causes RPM to droop briefly.

-I checked the petcock/fuelhoses/bowls, etc.  Nothing is pinched or on the wrong setting.
-I tried spraying some carb cleaner around the filter>carb and carb>engine boots, and nothing happened.  I did accidentally spray a bit on the filter and the engine died.
-Checked the plugs, they are black, but not terribly fouled.  They were like this BEFORE I took the bike apart.  I'm probably going to pick up some new ones if nothing else occurs to me.
-the idle air screws are tightened on each bowl.  Any less than tightened and they will quickly vibrate open, spilling gas.

Any suggestions?   :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Help - Cleaned, jetted, synced carbs - running poorly now
Post by: Paulcet on September 07, 2009, 12:06:18 PM
Quote-the idle air screws are tightened on each bowl.  Any less than tightened and they will quickly vibrate open, spilling gas.

That doesn't sound right.  Is there a spring and o-ring in there?
Title: Re: Help - Cleaned, jetted, synced carbs - running poorly now
Post by: jvitzu on September 07, 2009, 12:08:20 PM
There isnt :/

Looking at the carb diagram on bikebandit, there doesn't appear to be any o-ring/washer.
Title: Re: Help - Cleaned, jetted, synced carbs - running poorly now
Post by: lamoun on September 07, 2009, 12:29:34 PM
We are talking No20 here not No31 right???  :icon_question:

http://www.bikebandit.com/showschematic/m9752sch510170 (http://www.bikebandit.com/showschematic/m9752sch510170)
Title: Re: Help - Cleaned, jetted, synced carbs - running poorly now
Post by: jvitzu on September 07, 2009, 12:35:25 PM
31 is what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Help - Cleaned, jetted, synced carbs - running poorly now
Post by: lamoun on September 07, 2009, 12:46:07 PM
31 should be tightened. This is to empty the bowl.

No21 is the mixture screw and as a starting point it should be set at about 3 turns out, from lightly seated.
No 40A is a plug that covers the screw and should be drilled if it's still on the carbs.

Also check the fuel level in the carbs. So the gurus  :D have the full picture, as it will be easier to help you.
http://www.gstwin.com/float_height_check.htm (http://www.gstwin.com/float_height_check.htm)
Title: Re: Help - Cleaned, jetted, synced carbs - running poorly now
Post by: jvitzu on September 07, 2009, 02:00:10 PM
^Ah yes, I did check the float height and it's fine.  Sorry, forgot to mention that.

PS: the mixture screw is set at 3 turns.
Title: Re: Help - Cleaned, jetted, synced carbs - running poorly now
Post by: jvitzu on September 07, 2009, 03:01:43 PM
Wow, you guys are not going to believe how retarded I am.  I was putting my tools away when I noticed a pair of springs in the tool tray... :icon_eek:

Thats right - I FORGOT TO PUT THE NEEDLE SPRINGS IN!

Well lo' and behold: the powerband is fixed.  Revs all the way up without issue (I'll need to see how it does on the road).  The idle is still a little rough below 1500 and rpms don't drop as fas as I would like when I let go of the throttle, so it seems to be running a bit lean.
Title: Re: Help - Cleaned, jetted, synced carbs - running poorly now
Post by: ohgood on September 07, 2009, 05:20:27 PM
Quote from: jvitzu on September 07, 2009, 03:01:43 PM
Wow, you guys are not going to believe how retarded I am.  I was putting my tools away when I noticed a pair of springs in the tool tray... :icon_eek:

Thats right - I FORGOT TO PUT THE NEEDLE SPRINGS IN!

Well lo' and behold: the powerband is fixed.  Revs all the way up without issue (until I take it out).  The idle is still a little rough below 1500 and rpms don't drop as fas as I would like when I let go of the throttle, so it seems to be running a bit lean.


LOL :D
Title: Re: Help - Cleaned, jetted, synced carbs - running poorly now
Post by: lamoun on September 08, 2009, 02:46:34 AM
I have done it too! LOL..

It was the needles fault I tell you, it did it on purpose!!!  :D