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Title: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: Tywash on October 12, 2009, 04:06:57 PM
Hey everybody. I thought I would start a log of things I do as I progress along.  I am a car guy and just took my MSF class a few months ago. So I decided to look a for a bike to learn on. I found a bike on craigslist and asked a buddy of mine to go pick it up. Looking back I said what the hell was I thinking. A project for a first bike is a bad idea in my opinion, but here goes...

This is the 1993 GS500 that I picked up off of craiglist sight unseen for $750.00. It was complete when I got it. I just started tearing it down. Stripped bolt on the rearset, woohoo!
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0122.jpg)
I didn't bother taking any pictures before hand because I thought it would be a quick simple fix and I would be riding in no time. HA! The bike actually started up and ran, but would die everytime I would wring the throttle. That rearset bolt is stripped so I have to cut it off.  Also in this picture you can see the 99 GSX-R 600 triple are mounted, with Vortex Clamp. The stem was custom made to fit a GS500.

Well, as I started to really look at the bike I saw that it was really bad. The tank didn't look bad inside. The float bowls in the carbs full of the rusty stuff though. And of course the forks...
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0121.jpg)
Ready to race!

Then I started reading what some of you guys were doing on here and now the real trouble begins. Handling is very important to me. Performance trumps looks 3 to 1 I would say. So I went shopping I bought an 88-89 GSXR 750 Wheel
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0125.jpg)
Those are 2008 GSX-R 1000 wheels behind it.  Maybe I should do a Bandit 1200 swingarm, 190 tire? Then I would need an offset sprocket, blah, blah, blah. Where do I stop?

I then decided that I did not want to cut anything on the caliper bracket  and decided to go with the Katana/SV650 rear wheel.
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0138.jpg)
Indecision is expensive people. I did forget to note that when I bought this, the tire was already on there and had about 80% of the tread left.

I needed to address the fork problem. So when in doubt...over do it. 2007-2008 GSX-R 1000 front end.
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0124.jpg)
This was a second choice too. Do you guys want to hear about all the mistakes too?

I will add more soon...
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: jeremy_nash on October 12, 2009, 04:10:17 PM
yes, we all want to hear about the mistakes, but we'll call them learning experiences, lol
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: DoD#i on October 12, 2009, 04:23:59 PM
Hmmm. I'm guessing indecision has more than doubled the price of the bike by now, but you might get some back if you sell off the unused parts...

Learning Experience 1: don't buy sight unseen. Shop. Pass by. Walk away. Negotiate.

Learning experience 2: riding and wrenching are two distinctly different activities. If you must do both, have at least two bikes, or as many as it takes to have one you can ride, depending how susceptible to projects you are. Or (for us winter-climate types) have a warm garage/shop and a defined end date in March for the wrenching. And two bikes is still a good idea, since deadlines keep getting missed.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: gregvhen on October 12, 2009, 04:24:14 PM
what forks are those? I would love gold forks, and dual front brakes. performance is better than looks, but for me the performance of the stock bike is not too bad, seeing as how i dont race none.

Does that front end fit the stock GS neck? i dont really know much about swaping parts between differant bikes? so if anyone knows what front ends will fit the GS500 it would be very useful. especially since mine was wrecked by the previous owner.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: DoD#i on October 12, 2009, 04:31:33 PM
Read, man read. He tells you exactly which forks (well, front end, as it's a bit more than just forks) it is right above the picture of the forks.

Not a bolt-on - custom machine work is required. This thread has some detail:

http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=44878.0 (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=44878.0)

Particularly starting at this post on the second page.

http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=44878.msg543148#msg543148 (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=44878.msg543148#msg543148)
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: psyber_0ptix on October 12, 2009, 04:53:59 PM
loving the forks man   :cheers:

Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: gregvhen on October 12, 2009, 04:55:11 PM
i did read it but then it said something about him changing his mind and said that the picture was a second choice so i didnt know which front end that was.  :dunno_white:
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: O.C.D. on October 12, 2009, 05:45:58 PM
Cool, another GSXR swap, lol.  I am a hair's breath away from mine being ready.  All I need is the front wheel and stem swap.  I went with a 600 for the .85 stock internal springs though.  Thankfully I learned this before I bought a 1000.  They are way too heavy for me and the lite GS but that is just me. 

Good call on the KAT/SV wheel.  You would have never finished the project before next winter. lol

AS others mentioned, please let us know about the bad purchases as well so we can learn.

I have doubled the cost that I paid for my bike as well, but as I told Psyber, I need a hobby and this is it currently.

Now keep the pics coming.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: psyber_0ptix on October 12, 2009, 05:51:56 PM
Quote from: O.C.D. on October 12, 2009, 05:45:58 PM


I have doubled the cost that I paid for my bike as well, but as I told Psyber, I need a hobby and this is it currently.

Now keep the pics coming.

and put those jets to use!
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: Tywash on October 12, 2009, 09:20:56 PM
Okay, to pick right up where I left off. I said the 07-08 front end was a second choice. I originally was enthralled with Octane's GS. Read the great write up here http://octaneonline.com/culmination.html (http://octaneonline.com/culmination.html) Well lo and behold he had moved on and was selling parts off of that bike. He did a 99 GSX-R 600 front end I believe and was selling the custom triple he had done with the Vortex Triple Clamp. Friggin' sweet right? Well, I thought about trying to track down every front end part for a 10 year old bike and for me the romance died. But not until I bought that sweet triple!
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0142.jpg)
The GS500 is to the left, the GSX-R 1000 to the right and the custom GSX-R 600 in the middle. Anything is beefier than the GS. You know the stem Octane had machined looks to have the same base dimension as the newer GSX-R 1000...

This next part was a happy suprise, if it works out. Again GS500 and a fully adjustable 2008 GSX-R 1000 rear damper and guess what...it's only about an inch longer and it bolts up almost perfectly.
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0123.jpg)
Now don't go and do what I did and buy the whole swing arm off of a 2008 GSX-R 1000 with delusion of grandeur, when you only need the shock. Trust me on this, swing arm not fitting very easily.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: O.C.D. on October 13, 2009, 07:08:43 AM
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and put those jets to use!
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Oh it will all be used.  I think for fun tonight I will take pics of all the parts for you all so you can see what I am up too.

That rear GSXR shock is going to make your ass really tall.  That inch equates to a lot different suspension geometry as well.  But I know a lot of people on here have used them.  Goes with what you want I guess. 

Although Buddha and, well Buddha, says they are junk, a lot of people are using and liking the 07 R6 shock.  Mine has been sitting in the garage for three months, lol.  But I too will be running one.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: badguy on October 13, 2009, 07:10:32 AM
Looks like this is gonna get interesting  :thumb:
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: JB848 on October 13, 2009, 07:48:41 AM
Tywash these are the best and funnest projects to watch unfold. I sure wish you "would" have taken a "before" shot of the bike. Oh Well lesson learned. You seem to have excellent taste in parts and it looks like you do adequate research before you buy these upgrades. I can't wait to see that triple tree and assembly mounted.

One lesson I learned, though my projects aren't as extensive as yours are and are going to be, is to preassemble, take pictures, compare results to what thought it was going to look like and what you want it to look like, take apart and make changes and keep doing that process over and over until you get to where you want it to be. At first it will seem like a colossal waste of time, but when the project is finished you will reap the benefits in satisfaction! Just my 2 cents.

Keep the pictures coming, we are like little kids here. We will read if we have to but will always look at the pictures!  :thumb:

Robert
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: Tywash on October 13, 2009, 08:05:55 AM
Quote from: O.C.D. on October 13, 2009, 07:08:43 AM

...That rear GSXR shock is going to make your ass really tall.  That inch equates to a lot different suspension geometry as well.  But I know a lot of people on here have used them.  Goes with what you want I guess. 

Although Buddha and, well Buddha, says they are junk, a lot of people are using and liking the 07 R6 shock.  Mine has been sitting in the garage for three months, lol.  But I too will be running one.

I have thought about that too. How whacked out would the jometry (yes I know it's geometry) get if you threw some lowering links to even it all out.  The perfect solution for me since I already have this shock in my hand, is to find a linkage with the proper jometry. Any suggestions? I haven't been thinking too hard about it yet.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: seamax on October 13, 2009, 01:23:19 PM
Quote from: Tywash on October 13, 2009, 08:05:55 AM
Quote from: O.C.D. on October 13, 2009, 07:08:43 AM

...That rear GSXR shock is going to make your ass really tall.  That inch equates to a lot different suspension geometry as well.  But I know a lot of people on here have used them.  Goes with what you want I guess. 

Although Buddha and, well Buddha, says they are junk, a lot of people are using and liking the 07 R6 shock.  Mine has been sitting in the garage for three months, lol.  But I too will be running one.

I have thought about that too. How whacked out would the jometry (yes I know it's geometry) get if you threw some lowering links to even it all out.  The perfect solution for me since I already have this shock in my hand, is to find a linkage with the proper jometry. Any suggestions? I haven't been thinking too hard about it yet.

The geometry is not whack out at all. Your sitting position is about an 1" to 1 3/4" higher. I love the height of my bike. I'm 5'8" and can flat foot both legs when stopped. The issue is that you sidestand will need to be extended otherwise the bike will lean dangerously to falling over. I'm running the the older 90's GSXR shock with an extended reservoir.

Now that some members have gotten 07/08 R6 and GSXR shocks to fit, can someone tell me the measurements, eye to eye, for these shocks compare to the stock? I like to upgrade to a new shock with the reservoir built in for a clean look instead of snaking the tube behind the frame to hide the ext reservoir.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: gregvhen on October 13, 2009, 04:33:36 PM
Alright so the GSXR rear shock is just bolt on, no other changes?  does matter what year the gsxr shock came off of or what year the GS is? mines a 97 and i dont want to do any parts that arent bolt on for insurance reasons.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: Tywash on October 13, 2009, 06:52:37 PM
Bolting on and fitting are worlds apart from working and functioning. The geometry on this installation is competely different to that on the 2008 GSX-R 1000, not to mention the damping and rebound, both of which are affected by said geometry. The simple answer is yes it fits and bolts on but is an inch longer.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: gregvhen on October 13, 2009, 07:33:40 PM
so, in this case 1 inch isnt gonna make a huge differance, and becasue of the geometry it wont even raise the seat height an inch.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: cboling on October 13, 2009, 07:34:07 PM
Eye to eye on the R6 shock is approx 290mm give or take 1-2mm GS500 is right at the same.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: Tywash on October 13, 2009, 11:04:41 PM
I got about 286mm on the GS500 and 311mm on the 08 GSX-R 1000. The approximates measured from eye to eye.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: seamax on October 14, 2009, 06:40:52 AM
Quote from: gregvhen on October 13, 2009, 07:33:40 PM
so, in this case 1 inch isnt gonna make a huge differance, and becasue of the geometry it wont even raise the seat height an inch.

Geometry might not change much but how do you figure that it won't raise the seat height?

The height increase in the rear is >1" and very noticable from stock. It just like adding shorter/longer dogbones to increase/decrease the rear height. I know because I went from stock to gsxr to katana and back to the gsxr because I like the additional height the gsxr shock provided and also the look of the rear with the increase in height.

The major drawback is you can no longer use you centerstand because it won't touch the ground anymore and you need to modified/lengthen your sidestand so the bike doesn't easily tip over.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: seamax on October 14, 2009, 06:52:00 AM
Quote from: Tywash on October 13, 2009, 11:04:41 PM
I got about 286mm on the GS500 and 311mm on the 08 GSX-R 1000. The approximates measured from eye to eye.

Anyone know whether the new GSXR shocks are the same length, eye to eye, as the old 90's ones?
Title: Uck80 to Chuck81
Post by: Tywash on October 16, 2009, 06:37:10 PM
I was dying to do something to my bike. So I did a little bling work.

My magneto cover was broken.
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0147.jpg)
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0150.jpg)
It came apart after I took it off. If someone has a spare bolt they can help me out with let me know.

This is the new hotness I recieved from Chuck81
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0148.jpg)
That is not a blemish on the right. That's just some weird trick of the light. The piece is perfect.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: dohabee on October 16, 2009, 07:32:42 PM
I might have one, I will check later and let you know for sure.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: bobzilla850 on October 16, 2009, 07:48:41 PM
Nice build man! Before starting my own im gonna learn from everyone elses mistakes first lol.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: BeerGarage on October 16, 2009, 07:49:44 PM
Tywash!

Great pictures, keep em coming.

McMaster-Carr has every bolt and every other conceivable piece of hardware you could need.

http://www.mcmaster.com/#cap-screws/=43c9um (http://www.mcmaster.com/#cap-screws/=43c9um)

good product, reasonable shipping, sweet catalog.

edit spelling because i been drinkin'
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: dohabee on October 16, 2009, 09:30:13 PM
Found it!

pm me your address and I'll mail it to you ineedanap style (aka free)
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: dohabee on October 19, 2009, 02:00:53 PM
its in the mail, you should get it this week.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: Tywash on October 20, 2009, 08:39:19 AM
Thanks dohabee! I love this board. I will pay it forward when I can.


Here is the latest piece to come in the mail, this morning in fact.  I will show a picture of it mounted later. Just so everyone knows, I believe 99% of all 4 bolt Suzuki gas caps will fit the GS.  So Bandit, GSX-R and Hayabusa should bolt up. I know this has been stated before but I wanted to reiterate it here for anyone trying to find a replacement.
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/GasCap.jpg)
My flip key cover on mine was broken. Have I said never buy a rusty,dilapidated GS, well don't...
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: O.C.D. on October 20, 2009, 10:13:40 AM
Maybe never buy  a rusty, dilapidated GS,.....................and put money into it. lol

I guess that goes for us all.  We have underpowered, outdated bikes and yet we all mod them and put more into them than we should.  But hey, isn't that what it is all about?!
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: Tywash on October 20, 2009, 02:30:01 PM
I am enjoying the project, but my buddy is out riding and wondering if I will get done before winter hits. Magic 8 ball says "Ask again later". He keeps his bike in my garage. Silly mortal, HAHAHA!

It's the 2010 Ducati Streetfighter S.
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0143.jpg)
It's slightly faster than a GS500.

Well, here is the cap mounted on the tank. I will be putting on a pingel petcock next.
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/CapOn.jpg)
I bought this tank to replace the rusty one.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: mitch.lax on October 20, 2009, 03:10:10 PM
I reckon the cheapest mod you could do would be sell the GS, use petrol money to run you half way across the country on your mate's Streetfighter :D

In all seriousness, that filler cap looks the goods, and great to know that most four bolt ones will fit.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: O.C.D. on October 21, 2009, 08:55:46 AM
That fuel cap have a key to it though?  If not I would be worried.  But then again these are GS's, lol.

Yup, the mighty Ducati Streetfighter.  Got to play on one a few weeks back and I fell in love.  Thing is like a low-rider as far as bikes go.  Amazing design and strikingly beautiful to my eyes.  I absolutely love it! 

But, If I was your friend I would be worried; if that was parked in my Garage it would be "moved" quite often.

Keep the pics coming.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: gregvhen on October 21, 2009, 09:05:57 AM
Ill give 100 bucks for that Ducati.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: Tywash on October 24, 2009, 11:20:22 PM
I would ride the Streetfighter everyday if it wasn't for the fact I totalled his last bike. Is was a Yamaha R6.

You guys wanted to get the bad along with the good. I was trying to address alot of little issues with the bike and they just intend to stay issues. At least for this weekend.

Something is up with triples. I can't slip the new bearing on. It refuses to fit one the base of the stem. Is it suppose to be pressed on? Please let me know if you guys have any experience with this. If slides right in place on the custom stem I have without a hitch.

Well, this week in my build has been minor obstacle afer obstacle. Dohabee was kind of enough to send me a bolt I was missing for my magneto cover but...something happened.
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0157.jpg)
The envelope made it just fine, but the bolt belongs to Uncle Sam now.

I was going to tackle the rearset with what I thought was  a stripped thread hole.  Turns out there is a nut inside the GS frame that is spot welded in place to receive the bolt. Mine has come loose and needs to be welded back in place. This will require a larger opening in the frame to fit my welding tip through.

Then I wanted to remove the bolt that had snapped off in the block on the sprocket cover mounting area. So I punched my center mark for my drill. Drilled a pilot and inserted the reverse drill bit and lucky me it broke right off in the hole.
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_01721.jpg)
It s the top right on, in case it's not super obvious. I thought about cutting a slot across it and scewing it out. So I plugged up my dremel and it started up then it died. Is this for real?

Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: Tywash on October 24, 2009, 11:29:10 PM
This is the bottom of the tank where the OEM petcock was. My original is so clogged full of rust I couldn't drain the gas out the old tank.
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0155.jpg)
The paint around the mating surface needs to be cleaned off before you can mount the flange
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0274.jpg)
I cleaned this area with a old rubber eraser. Paint came right off.
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0156.jpg)
Mocked up the flange and marked with a pencil the amount of material to be removed
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0276.jpg)
Drilled out with a stepped drill bit. Milwaukee replaced my drill batteries under a national recall. Lucky me I guess.
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0277.jpg)
After boring the hole out
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0271.jpg)
The parts I received from Pingel
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0278.jpg)
Gasket matches up nicely
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0432.jpg)
Petcock mounted
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: Tywash on November 27, 2009, 02:39:08 PM
We interupt this petcock install for this the front end conversion....well partail conversion.
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0182.jpg)
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0183.jpg)
This is the spacer Bob Broussard was kind enough to machine for me. This is a pic of the stem with the spacer installed
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0184.jpg)
This shows the relation of the gap between the stem and the GSXR triple
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0185.jpg)
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0187.jpg)
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0186.jpg)
To install the bearing races, I was too impatient to setup a long threaded rod with washers and bolts
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0188.jpg)
So I just hammered them in with these and used lots of patience.
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0189.jpg)
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: Tywash on November 27, 2009, 02:40:56 PM
Success!
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0191.jpg)
Bob also did the ignition advance on my rotor.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: Chanse on November 27, 2009, 06:06:03 PM
Yeah bobs cool, did my advance also. Thanks again bob.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: O.C.D. on December 04, 2009, 10:37:38 AM
C'mon man, need more pics!!! 

I just mailed my junk to Bob as well for the spacer mod.  When I talked to him earlier last week he mentioned he was doing a few lately.  I am now sure your's was one of them, lol.

Was you's one of the welded stems though?  I checked mine before shipping and it was not welded.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: cboling on December 04, 2009, 12:33:20 PM
Mine was.  :D Bob is definitely the man! Now I just need to sell some stuff and get through Crimmus then I can work on mine some more. Yours is coming along.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: Tywash on May 04, 2010, 10:28:26 PM
Yes, mine was a welded stem. I need to send Bob a new stem to replace the one he loaned me to get this project done. He also did my ignition advance. Definitely a great guy to deal with.
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0231.jpg)
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0232.jpg)
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: Tywash on May 04, 2010, 10:33:38 PM
Well, I have been a little busy and a little lazy for the past 6 months. So I cleaned out the garage and began trying to remember where I left off. I removed the ignition assembly from the top bracket and went ahead and installed the complete front suspension, clipons, tire, etc... So without further adieu....
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/photo-1.jpg)
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/photo.jpg)

I am back on the ball and hope to keep rolling. I will update when I can.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: tt_four on May 05, 2010, 03:23:48 AM
Man, all you guys are really making me want a new front end.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: acid on May 05, 2010, 05:30:07 AM
The reverse drills are the worst things you can use for removing a cracked bolt. Those are hardened, so you will have a very hard task on drilling them out or cutting a hole inside. Best thing is to just drill out the whole bolt. Now you will have to get very sharp drills. Likewise you will kill some or have to grind them sharp again a few times.

After you got a new hole nearly as wide as the winding you cut a new one inside. Usually it will be more loose than the original, but it should do the job.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: O.C.D. on May 05, 2010, 08:07:33 AM
Damned Streetfighter - $3500 a year in insurance.  How does your buddy afford that?!

Anyway, glad you are back.  I gave up on you a few months back, lol.  Did you buy a 1000 FE?  Those coated tubes make me think so as well as the red anodized adjusters on the top of the tubes.  Might be pretty stiff if so?!

You just reminded me that I need to sell my GSXR controls.  I toiled for hours on how to make those work and it never seemed feasible.  You'll find swapping your GS ones a lot easier.  But then again you probably knew that.

Ok, so you are back, lets see her some more!!!
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: Tywash on May 05, 2010, 08:30:20 AM
Streetfighter insurance- In Texas your only have to carry liability if you own it. He charged the whole damn thing on his credit card. He paid it off, but I thought that was awesome.

You are dead on about the 1000 FE. Yeah I will change the controls for sure. They came with the clipons, which I got really cheap if I remember correctly. I need to sell off the extra pieces to offset this build. I went with 1000 suspension pieces since I weigh 250lbs. I should offset the stiffness perfectly.
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/StreetfighterTy.jpg)

I had to come back. You were hogging all the 'build' glory. I will not be trying to outdo you though. You have gone far above and beyond what I hope to achieve.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: O.C.D. on May 05, 2010, 08:48:29 AM
Damn you Ducati people, damn you!!!  I still will get one though.  Gonna do an 1100s Monster instead.  Same displacement, 1/3 less horsepower.  And about $2000 cheaper in insurance here in CO.

Don't worry about the glory.  When she is finished I will vanish into the shadows of the forum. 

Then you will take over young Padwan, lol. :cheers:
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: Tywash on May 05, 2010, 08:52:58 AM
I rode the 1100s. I liked it very very much. But, I wanted something a little more retro. So after I ride the GS for a while I want to build a Ducati Sport 1000. Almost exactly the same as a Monster but with a classic look. This one is modded all to heck.
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/Motowheelscom/Motowheels%20Sport%20Classic/DSC02475.jpg)
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: O.C.D. on May 05, 2010, 09:11:47 AM
The Sport 1000 is a very nice bike.  I would love to have one of those as well.  The one you posted is VERY heavily modded as you stated.  THose brake rotors alone are $1000. I too love the look of the vintage/retro with modern components.  Kind of what we are doing to our outdated GS's, lol.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: tt_four on May 05, 2010, 11:04:49 AM
I know I asked before, but I don't know that it was ever answered, nor do I remember what thread I asked in to find out.

Do the monsters have that same nightmare of a valve adjustment as the other ducatis, or are the naked bikes easier?

I wouldn't mind a ducati, and one is still on my possibilities list, but there's no way I'd want to deal with that valve adjustement with as many miles as I put on bikes. Especially when a Buell xb9 has so much more torque(and forget about it if you're gonna compare one to the xb12), and even though a lot of people won't agree, I think the Buell looks a lot better, plus the valves never need adjusted, which is a huge plus.

If I wanted something European I'd probably just get a street triple. Even though I used to complain about that speed four, it was definitely fun, and the street triples look like they'd be way better with the triple, usd forks, riser bars, and of course the extra 75ccs(which also happens to make more power than the ducati 1100, and only about 6ftlb. less of torque). I think if I had known how to work on bikes better at that point, and didn't have a warranty that made me not want to work on it, I wouldn't have had all those same problems anyway.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: O.C.D. on May 05, 2010, 11:54:19 AM
As we continue off topic, lol:

I was told a few weeks back while looking over the new Ducati's here in town that the valve issues of yesterday are gone.  Mind you this was from a salesman who is, well, a salesman.  But I have also discovered this as well on the net.  I guess the only way to know is research and word of mouth.

As for a Ducati and the "why" aspect, for me it is exclusivity.  Anyone can buy a liter bike with 4 cylinders.  Not many buy a twin with the same capacity.  Also, they are kind of like Ferrari's so to speak.  Not everyone will buy a Ferrari as they are higher maintenance costs involved.  But, it is a Ferrari.  You can snag a used 360 Modena for around $60k now.  Compared to a Viper or Vette it may not be as fast or new, but it is a Ferrari.

Ducati=Ferrari to me at least.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: Tywash on May 05, 2010, 01:17:08 PM
Agreed on the Ducati=Ferrari. Du-Ca-Ti. Say it slow or fast it just sounds sexy. Way more than Suzukawayamahondaki. But I like them too. Now I would not mind having a Triumph Street Triple R. It can hang with an 848 or the monster 1100s. And at the risk of sounding like a commercial, Triumph has 1.9% interest financing...

Now back to our regularly scheduled broadcast...
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: O.C.D. on May 05, 2010, 02:11:22 PM
Crap, you mean we are actually going to talk about your build thread?!  :technical:
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: tt_four on May 05, 2010, 02:50:15 PM
Quote from: O.C.D. on May 05, 2010, 11:54:19 AM

I was told a few weeks back while looking over the new Ducati's here in town that the valve issues of yesterday are gone.  Mind you this was from a salesman who is, well, a salesman.  But I have also discovered this as well on the net.  I guess the only way to know is research and word of mouth.

If I did get one it would be an older one. No streetfighters or 696s here. I'd probably pick up an old 900 or something of that sort, and I'll assume they have the awful valves.

Quote from: Tywash on May 05, 2010, 01:17:08 PM
Now I would not mind having a Triumph Street Triple R. It can hang with an 848 or the monster 1100s.

Hmm... not to be a downer, but I'm pretty sure a street triple would eat a monster 1100s, and cost waaaayy less doing it. I think you're pretty much paying for the exclusivity there, although the entire time I owned my speed four I only saw 3 others, one of which I had to track down on the internet first. I've seen way more monsters.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: Tywash on May 12, 2010, 09:04:03 AM
Okay SO I mounted the GSXR1000 rear shock and my swingarm, wheel and caliper for a test fitting.
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0228.jpg)
THe shock is not a direct bolt on fit as previously stated. There was a minor trimming job that needed to be done. The shock was hitting ever so slightly on the knuckle. There is also a change in the angle of the knuckle. This leads to a second problem
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0223.jpg)
The dogbones no longer reach the swingarm. Even with swingarm resting on the spring.
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0224.jpg)
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0225.jpg)
I have ordered lowering dogbones for a ZX6. Hopefully they will be here next week.
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/ZX6.jpg)
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I abandoned the GSXR shock. It would not compress properly because of the geometry. I ended up going with a R6 shock. It's a little on the soft side but fitment is stock like.

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I also proceeded with fitting the brakes back on the bike. I can't remember...some guy on here said the 98-02 Katana Caliper bracket was a better fit to the rotor on the Kat/SV650 wheel. Thanks OCD!
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0229.jpg)
This last photo shows why you have to modify the arm for the caliper when you do a wheel swap. There is slight lack of a gap between them.
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0233.jpg)
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: Tywash on June 06, 2010, 06:13:57 PM
I went off and bought a Bandit 600 brake arm to make sure it fit our GS's well specifically my GS. This is shot of them side by side.
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0258.jpg)
The Bandit arm is slightly shorter but that doesn't really matter since the caliper can rotate. What is interesting is the bolting flange locations are exactly the same. To be clear the Bandit arm is thinner and shifted over to one side of the mounting flange. This picture represents the bolting locations fairly clearly.
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0257.jpg)
You can see that the front mounting point (right side) is where the interference with tire would occur with the stock arm.
Here is the arm mounted on the bike. Mounts up with no issues whatsoever. Now keep in mind that I am using the caliper bracket from a Katana as previously stated.
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0263.jpg)
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: O.C.D. on June 07, 2010, 08:00:54 AM
Sacrilege!  You didn't cut up the stock arm and weld it?!?!?!?  That is not fortuitous to creative building, lol.

I couldn't locate that Bandit arm at the time but I too would have gone that route.  Looks good!
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: Tywash on June 07, 2010, 02:14:42 PM
O.C.D., I got the info from one of your old posts. I can't remember what I was searching for, but you asked about it somewhere. If I didn't get one off of Ebay ($20.00 shipped) I was going to order it from bikebandit.com. It's only $37.00 bucks brand new plus shipping. My welding is just O.K. so I really wanted to avoid it if I could.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: Tywash on October 25, 2010, 12:33:43 PM
I am back again. My Dad was really sick this year and past away last month. He really wanted to see me get my bike done. Well I am here to try and finish. I have missed working on my project and hearing from you guys. So let's start again...

This is how the bike looked on friday
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0425.jpg)
Passed inspection and was registered. GSXR 1000 rearsets

I have always hated the stock exhaust and hated all the aftermarket ones for costing too much and looking almost as bad.
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0428.jpg)
Ninja 636 muffler. It's shorter and lighter than stock, yet cost $25.00 bucks.

I chopped off the stock muffler and located this one in the exact location of the stock one. It was positioned by welding a stud for the rear mount to sit on and then welding the fron of the exhaust to this cart so it couldn't move after I cut the muffler off
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0429.jpg)
Now we just have to weld in some pipe. Sorry I couldn't get the pics to rotate
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: Tywash on October 25, 2010, 12:37:05 PM
Here is the new muffler mounted up
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0431.jpg)
I love it. Sounds great. The bike runs alot better with it too.

This is what the bike looked like last night.
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0430.jpg)
Now to chop off that rear end.
Comparo pic from Friday
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/Tywash/IMG_0425.jpg)

I need to take some pics of the little things done to the bike. I will try and do so when time permits.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: bobzilla850 on October 25, 2010, 01:43:59 PM
Looks good :thumb:
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: Nuss on October 25, 2010, 03:46:49 PM
no tach/speedo/indicators?  looks good tho!! are you going to paint your pipes?
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: GSnoober on October 25, 2010, 05:58:51 PM
Sorry to learn that your dad passed away so recently; best wishes to you and your family.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: reload on October 25, 2010, 06:45:34 PM
condolences regarding your father.

:cheers: on the bike. nice set of mods you've completed.

did you have to modify the seat to fit with the newer model fuel tank?
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: Tywash on October 25, 2010, 07:08:46 PM
I want to figure out something for gauges. I have seen alot of different things just not sure what I want. I will either paint or powdercoat the pipes when it gets to cold to ride.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: gregvhen on October 25, 2010, 10:55:32 PM
did those inner fork tubes come black or are those coated? i didnt know they made gsxrs with those if it came that way, thats awesome man  :thumb:
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: saxman on October 25, 2010, 11:33:00 PM
I really, really like the exhaust... may have to borrow this idea.
Title: Re: Tywash's Build Project
Post by: Tywash on October 26, 2010, 01:12:14 AM
The 2006 GSXR 1000 fork tubes are black like that from the factory as far as I know. I bought them that way from someone else who could have possibly coated them but I don't think so.