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Title: Question about magnets.
Post by: The Buddha on December 31, 2009, 06:07:34 PM
OK I just got N50 power magnets in 1/2 inch ring, 1/2 inch OD, 1/8 th ID and 1/8th thickness.

These are 50 power, and comparing them to regular old school black iron ceramic - ferrite magnets ... they are over 10 X the power. Ferrites are ~N4.5.

Now the question I have is pertaining to magnetic lines of force emanating form the magnets. Not quite lifting power etc.

In my application I can fit 4 magnets like a pole if they are 1/2 inch dia, or 1 1 inch magnet if its 1 inch dia,

Which of these 2 (or any others you suggest) will have more magnetic lines of force out of each pole.

Now I also can get it deeper if needed, and will that increase the number of lines.

Cool.
Buddha.
Title: Re: Question about magnets.
Post by: ohgood on December 31, 2009, 08:18:00 PM
Quote from: The Buddha on December 31, 2009, 06:07:34 PM
OK I just got N50 power magnets in 1/2 inch ring, 1/2 inch OD, 1/8 th ID and 1/8th thickness.

These are 50 power, and comparing them to regular old school black iron ceramic - ferrite magnets ... they are over 10 X the power. Ferrites are ~N4.5.

Now the question I have is pertaining to magnetic lines of force emanating form the magnets. Not quite lifting power etc.

In my application I can fit 4 magnets like a pole if they are 1/2 inch dia, or 1 1 inch magnet if its 1 inch dia,

Which of these 2 (or any others you suggest) will have more magnetic lines of force out of each pole.

Now I also can get it deeper if needed, and will that increase the number of lines.

Cool.
Buddha.

ur weird
Title: Re: Question about magnets.
Post by: The Buddha on December 31, 2009, 08:28:07 PM
If you took this long to get to that conclusion, you're slow ...
Cool.
Buddha.
Title: Re: Question about magnets.
Post by: ohgood on January 01, 2010, 07:35:21 AM
Quote from: The Buddha on December 31, 2009, 08:28:07 PM
If you took this long to get to that conclusion, you're slow ...
Cool.
Buddha.

i'm faster when i fall down, yes


i know a few electric engineer dudes, if you post what you're trying to accomplish, i'll forward it to them... i just don't get it from your original post :)
Title: Re: Question about magnets.
Post by: The Buddha on January 01, 2010, 08:38:03 AM
I had a 8 pole soft iron elentromagnet that was energised by 350 turns of 22 guage wire carrying 2.5-3 amp current.

I am trying to replace it with a similar sized aluminum bobbin with these 1/2 inch OD X 1/8th ID X 1/8th depth magnets which I will screw into the outside of that bobbin 3-4 like poles in a clump and have 4 north and 4 south clumps.

The magnets have surface gauss of 14,500.

This is the rotor -
http://www.regulatorrectifier.com/catalog/images/CB_ROTOR.jpg

My contraption will be aluminum of that same size, but have 24 or 32 of these -

http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=R822%2DN50&cat=168

Will it do it ?
Cool.
Buddha.
Title: Re: Question about magnets.
Post by: ohgood on January 01, 2010, 10:52:54 AM
ok, i'll bug 'sparky' wehn i get to work monday.

god i hate mondays.
Title: Re: Question about magnets.
Post by: The Buddha on January 01, 2010, 12:24:09 PM
Get pics of the rotor and the specs on the magnet. I can at best get N50 in the ring style. The solid ones are available in N52 max.
For a practical world reference 1 will suck a steel clip 1 inch away. This is that regular small clip black clip, chrome handles. The smallest one. Standard staples issue.
3-4 of them stacked and they are over 2+ inches for the clip.

I am leaving myself the option of getting some washers under them and putting it closer to the coil if needed ... though I get too close and some sheite is gonna clobber each other.

Cool.
Buddha.
Title: Re: Question about magnets.
Post by: PachmanP on January 02, 2010, 07:59:02 PM
Are you looking for a stronger magnetic field?  You're gonna be spinning something in the magnetic field right? so you want a stronger/more intense magnetic field.  The more magnetic lines of force statement isn't making sense to me.  The smaller diameter should give a more intense (prob not the technical term...) field, but I sucked at electomagnitism a long time ago... Best bet is probably whatever gives you the most mass, the closest to your wires.
Title: Re: Question about magnets.
Post by: The Buddha on January 02, 2010, 10:19:27 PM
This is going to be spinning. I need a stronger field, I could put 20 or 30 in each spot, but the problem is that the bolt that has to go through the center, we cant do that any smaller than 1/8th obviously ... so I can do the tiniest things there are ...
I am getting 1/2 inch OD 1/8th thick and 1/8th hole. If I need stronger ... then do I dill deeper and stack 2 in each hole or punch a wider hole and put a 1 inch X 1/4 ... lets first see if I am in the ball park wiht these 3 in place of each pole, then I'd know.
Cool.
Buddha.