I am having trouble on where to attach the tubes from my carb to my carbtune tool. I have the Haynes manual and it is not real clear on where to attach them to. It is the 2006 manual and my bike is 2006 gs500f(australian version). Any light that someone can share on this would be great. Thanks.
The ports on '01 up carbs are harder to get to than the older ones. The one port is the same port used for the vacuum actuation on the petcock. Look for a similar port on the left carb that has a rubber cap blocking it off (don't forget to put that back when you are done!).
-Jessie
(http://cgi.stanford.edu/~sanjayd/gs500/uploads/Maintenance/carbsync_top.jpg)
(http://cgi.stanford.edu/~sanjayd/gs500/uploads/Maintenance/carbsync_side.jpg)
Here is a photo of the carbs off my '07, the view is as if looking from the engine, so the ports are on the right side of the bike right next to the rubber boot where the carbs attach to the head or ^^WhatHeSaid^^ :cool:
(http://home.comcast.net/~stykers/vacport.jpg)
TIP: One thing I have always done on a bike that has vacuum ports that are hard to get to...I leave a short piece of rubber hose where the plug once was and then plug the hose when I'm done so next time the sync/balance will be a piece of cake. You can clearly see the two hoses I added to my DL650 in '05, now when I want to sync it I just prop the tank unplug the hoses hook up the Carb-Stix and adjust with that screw just out of sight under the tank, on the GS500F you only need to add one hose though. :whisper:
(http://home.comcast.net/~stykers/synchose.jpg)
nice tip, that works on the early SVs as well which is a bear otherwise to get at.
Thanks. I was hoping it wa not going to be that cap inbetween the carbs as I still have the airbox attached. Oh well I guess it will all have to come off again this weekend.
If you're using the port that normally supplies vacuum to the petcock, you'll have to switch the petcock to "prime" to keep the fuel flowing while you do the adjustment.
I think Buddha mentioned that he just eyeballs them. I do too and it seems fine.
I'm just wondering IF the GS will ever get fuel injection???
Quote from: dauphinc on February 15, 2010, 11:25:07 AM
I'm just wondering IF the GS will ever get fuel injection???
Well. It's not sold in Europe anymore. Probably due to their Emissions 3 standards which prevent non EFI bikes being sold as only EFI can meet the emissions benchmarks. So it'll keep getting sold in Australia and USA for as long as those countries do not create emissions standards that mean no carbs - and - as long as the numbers remain good compared to other offerings from Suzuki and other brands.
For instance, the Honda CB400 has roughly the same performance specs as the GS500. And I ride with a girl who rode one for ages - she now rides a CBF1000. But the $ for the CB400 was $3.5k more and I didn't see the value in that.
Looking at the other offerings from Suzuki - GSR6, SV650, Gladius (yuck), nothing else has the same value for money, simplicity, nor range as the GS500. Although, the 650 Vstrom does have a large tank, good power and is relatively cheap. But it is a large bike compared.
Nice if Suzuki could consult with Triumph to ask them how they managed to get EFI to look like carbs. Then they could keep making the GS but with EFI and couriers of the world would be happy :icon_mrgreen:
Personally, I can't see Suzuki dropping the GS. But who knows? I've seen plenty of good selling products get dropped in favor of the latest CEO's personal choice or what the CEO has personally invested his $ in - or just to be bought out so it can be dropped in favor of the buying company's own brand. So if the number crunchers at Suzuki think it will cost too much to develop EFI for the GS compared to the small additional $ they can ask for the bike, then when Emissions Standards mean no more carbs, we'll have no more New GS's and have to buy old ones and do them up. Or bite the bullet and get whatever other midrange EFI stuff is out there - which is not much at the moment. Not for the value for money found in the GS.
Oh... forgot about the GSX650. Similar to the GS500 in looks, but with EFI. I'd like to see a nekkid version of that bike. If THAT sells, it might be Suzuki's dream replacement. Ah, if only the Market would do what it's told not what it wants.
Michael
the gsx650 looks nice but its too heavy, if you want an injected bike with more power, similar handling, and still be light look at the sv650. its got 30whp (70ish stock at wheels) more than the gs but its no high revving 100whp monster, it has the same light predictable suspension setup as the gs (both good and bad aspects) and its actually 1 pound lighter wet.
just looked it up,
gs500f 439# wet
sv650sf 438# wet
gsx650f 531# wet < (WOWSERS!)
and just for reference:
gsxr600 432# wet < (nice 8) )
If you intend to skip gage step, then hold carbs on bench, look into mouth from engine side. You can see one or the other open up as you twist screw one way and the other. Get it to where you cant tell, in the middle, which is moving, then count turns one way and the other to where you can tell a few times, and then rotate halfway through the total turns to get in the middle. I got very close doing this according to the gages I hooked up afterwards.
Wow, that's cool you guys did the research. Does the sv have some sort of v-twin? And I wouldn't ever get a jixxer or anything, though people in my age group love sport bikes. The reason I wouldn't is because of how low the clip ons are. The gs was the perfect choice for height, price, and comfort IMO.
Quote from: black and silver twin on February 15, 2010, 04:45:49 PM
just looked it up,
gs500f 439# wet
sv650sf 438# wet
gsx650f 531# wet < (WOWSERS!)
and just for reference:
gsxr600 432# wet < (nice 8) )
Never compare a Sport
Touring bike like the GSX650F to a Sport bike like the GSX-R600 they have nothing in common other than two wheels, if you plan on posing at Starbucks or spending some time at the track then a GSX-R600 will work just fine. If you plan on doing hundreds of miles a day 2up in comfort then the GSX650F is a wise choice. A certain amount of weight is required for a good ride...a 1500# Cadillac would ride like compost. It really comes down to the type of riding you do. If you think you are going to hop off a GSX-R600 after an all day ride and feel like doing anything other than taking a hot bath your kidding yourself. But if you want to look cool and do the Starbucks thing than yes a GSX-R600 will work just fine, because they really are one of the most uncomfortable ways to get from point A to point B there is, even guys I know in their 20's regret buying a Super Sport when we go on 300+ mile day rides...
"I'm putting this thing on Craigslist as soon as we get back" is what I heard twice last year on two different rides. Weight has it's place, and sometimes you want it on your bike :whisper:
(http://home.comcast.net/~stykers/gsx16.jpg)
Quote from: dauphinc on February 15, 2010, 05:31:31 PM
Does the sv have some sort of v-twin?
The SV has the same basic V twin available in the V-strom. Decent bike, poor suspension and higher center of gravity than a GS. '03-up models are fuel injected (though the '03 is a bastard year which does not share all parts with '04+ models). The naked version was replaced by the Gladius in the Suzuki line up.
-Jessie
Quote from: BaltimoreGS on February 15, 2010, 08:07:37 PM
Quote from: dauphinc on February 15, 2010, 05:31:31 PM
Does the sv have some sort of v-twin?
The naked version was replaced by the Gladius in the Suzuki line up.
-Jessie
In Australia was get 'em all. We get the SV650, the GSR600, the GSX650 and the Gladius. Which I find kinda puzzling. Cause it seems to me they have a small collection of bikes which are basically competing with each other. But, it could just be the naked Sv650s available in the bike store are old stock. So we'll have the SV650s and for naked the Gladius with its puny 14.5 liter gas tank.
Think I'll pop in and ask the question...
Michael
Quote from: Suzuki Stevo on February 15, 2010, 07:06:48 PM
Quote from: black and silver twin on February 15, 2010, 04:45:49 PM
just looked it up,
gs500f 439# wet
sv650sf 438# wet
gsx650f 531# wet < (WOWSERS!)
and just for reference:
gsxr600 432# wet < (nice 8) )
Never compare a Sport Touring bike like the GSX650F to a Sport bike like the GSX-R600 they have nothing in common other than two wheels, if you plan on posing at Starbucks or spending some time at the track then a GSX-R600 will work just fine. If you plan on doing hundreds of miles a day 2up in comfort then the GSX650F is a wise choice. A certain amount of weight is required for a good ride...a 1500# Cadillac would ride like compost. It really comes down to the type of riding you do. If you think you are going to hop off a GSX-R600 after an all day ride and feel like doing anything other than taking a hot bath your kidding yourself. But if you want to look cool and do the Starbucks thing than yes a GSX-R600 will work just fine, because they really are one of the most uncomfortable ways to get from point A to point B there is, even guys I know in their 20's regret buying a Super Sport when we go on 300+ mile day rides..."I'm putting this thing on Craigslist as soon as we get back" is what I heard twice last year on two different rides. Weight has it's place, and sometimes you want it on your bike :whisper:
(http://home.comcast.net/~stykers/gsx16.jpg)
I agree, gsxr's and the like are the most uncomfortable ride on long trips, but I dont take long trips. my bike is my daily driver 6-7 months a year and Im only riding 40-100 miles a day (not all at once) in 15-30 mile stints (A to B to C ect.). I have taken a few trips of over 100miles at a time and honestly the gs500f with stock bars was all day comfy for me, but ever since I installed clip ons I cant go more than 30 miles with out getting numb hands. when I go on long trips (200+ miles one way) I take my car.
P.S. I dont go to starbucks, I dont like coffee. :cheers:
Quote from: johnny ro on February 15, 2010, 05:31:22 PM
If you intend to skip gage step, then hold carbs on bench, look into mouth from engine side. You can see one or the other open up as you twist screw one way and the other. Get it to where you cant tell, in the middle, which is moving, then count turns one way and the other to where you can tell a few times, and then rotate halfway through the total turns to get in the middle. I got very close doing this according to the gages I hooked up afterwards.
I think I know what you're saying - do you mean to turn the adjuster screw until you see one butterfly open, then turn the adjuster screw the other way and count the number of turns until the other butterfly opens. Setting the adjuster screw halfway between these points will give you a pretty good synch. Is that the gist of it?
Quote from: Suzuki Stevo on February 15, 2010, 07:06:48 PM
Never compare a Sport Touring bike like the GSX650F to a Sport bike like the GSX-R600 they have nothing in common other than two wheels, if you plan on posing at Starbucks or spending some time at the track then a GSX-R600 will work just fine. If you plan on doing hundreds of miles a day 2up in comfort then the GSX650F is a wise choice. A certain amount of weight is required for a good ride...a 1500# Cadillac would ride like compost. It really comes down to the type of riding you do. If you think you are going to hop off a GSX-R600 after an all day ride and feel like doing anything other than taking a hot bath your kidding yourself. But if you want to look cool and do the Starbucks thing than yes a GSX-R600 will work just fine, because they really are one of the most uncomfortable ways to get from point A to point B there is, even guys I know in their 20's regret buying a Super Sport when we go on 300+ mile day rides..."I'm putting this thing on Craigslist as soon as we get back" is what I heard twice last year on two different rides. Weight has it's place, and sometimes you want it on your bike :whisper:
I think that's a pretty sweeping generalization. I know guys who would regularly do 300+ mile rides (over 500 some days) on GSX-Rs or similar sportbikes and not complain a bit about it. Of course, there are more comfortable ways of doing high miles, but I believe it's all in how you set the bike up and how you ride. If you're putting all your weight on your wrists (which you can even do with the GS) you'll be hating life before long, but if you have decent form, you should be ok. Also, it depends on the riding; if it's all highway miles, you'll definitely be better on a cushy, relaxed bike. But if you're staying on twisty backroads, you can move around enough that the sportbike won't be too bad. A lot of people will swear by a cruiser for comfort, but I can't ride one for more than a hundred miles without it hurting my back. I've done 500+ mile days on my SV650s with racing rearsets without too many problems. I'd change to lower pegs if I was keeping it on the road, though...
Quote from: badguy on February 16, 2010, 07:15:23 AMI think that's a pretty sweeping generalization. I know guys who would regularly do 300+ mile rides (over 500 some days) on GSX-Rs or similar sportbikes and not complain a bit about it. Of course, there are more comfortable ways of doing high miles, but I believe it's all in how you set the bike up and how you ride. If you're putting all your weight on your wrists (which you can even do with the GS) you'll be hating life before long, but if you have decent form, you should be ok. Also, it depends on the riding; if it's all highway miles, you'll definitely be better on a cushy, relaxed bike. But if you're staying on twisty backroads, you can move around enough that the sportbike won't be too bad. A lot of people will swear by a cruiser for comfort, but I can't ride one for more than a hundred miles without it hurting my back. I've done 500+ mile days on my SV650s with racing rearsets without too many problems. I'd change to lower pegs if I was keeping it on the road, though...
Agreed, I did paint with a very broad brush, and I do know people that can ride a sport bike all day myself :cheers:
Quote from: badguy on February 16, 2010, 07:15:23 AM
Quote from: johnny ro on February 15, 2010, 05:31:22 PM
If you intend to skip gage step, then hold carbs on bench, look into mouth from engine side. You can see one or the other open up as you twist screw one way and the other. Get it to where you cant tell, in the middle, which is moving, then count turns one way and the other to where you can tell a few times, and then rotate halfway through the total turns to get in the middle. I got very close doing this according to the gages I hooked up afterwards.
I think I know what you're saying - do you mean to turn the adjuster screw until you see one butterfly open, then turn the adjuster screw the other way and count the number of turns until the other butterfly opens. Setting the adjuster screw halfway between these points will give you a pretty good synch. Is that the gist of it?
Yes, although I got it to where I could just feel the halfway point between two openings, was not deliberately counting like when I back out an idle air screw. Its not far to each side to see it move.
Ok. So I asked the question.... a few questions actually. And here's the low down...
#1: Suzuki plays things close to their chest. Dealers are not told too much about upcoming models or changes. So if a FI GS500 was to be out the first the dealers would know is when Suzuki calls them and says, "Hey schmucks, we now have EFI GS500s in the warehouse." (Of course, like he said, if people New an EFI version was coming they wouldn't by the carb version. That being the case, what he says could also be BS as he Makes Up a reason why he doesn't tell you of any upcoming EFI version cause he wants to sell the carbs they have in stock. BUT, being just a salesman his boss could also withhold info from him. All Secret Squirrel to me.)
#2: What is available in Australia is via Agrrement w/ Suzuki Japan. New Zealand can buy from wherever, but Australia buys only from the one source in Japan. So NZ can see different models - maybe meant for Europe - that Aust won't ever see due to the agreement to only buy from one source. I assume, this is why there are no Naked GS500s available in the USA while we in Australia still have them available.
#3: Those wanting the V twin 650 in a naked are pointed towards the Gladius. Which is meant as a Fun Commuter. Hence the smaller gas tank.
#4: When people take a GSR600, GSX650F and a Gladius for a test ride, they almost always buy the Gladius or 650F and not the GSR. For whatever reason the other two feel better to ride. Although, I am sure Cost plays a factor as well with the GSR selling for around a grand more and the SV650, GSX650 and Gladius all selling for the same price.
#5: Yamaha's FZ is a bike which sits in the middle of a range. And isn't really anything in particular. And they (Yamaha) have a hard time selling 2nd hand ones. Of course, he being a Suzuki salesman has a vested interest in steering people away from the Yamaha range.
#6: All the info on discountnewbikes.com.au comes from dealers.
#7: The better place to get bike info is from globalsuzuki.com which is where they (the salesmen) will go for downloadable and printable brochures. (Interesting that the SV650 naked is still shown there - though the salesman did tell me they sold their last SV650 naked about a month a go).
#8: Suzuki's main areas they are concentrating on are their core sport bikes and cruisers.
#9: The engine in the Gladius is closer to a Vstrom than a SV650.
#10: Europe's emmissions standards are different to Australia's and Japan's - which are quite good anyway. Hence the continued use of carbs in the GS500 as they still enable the bike to meet the emissions standards of both those countries.
And that is it.
Michael
Wow, thank you for that information Michael. I will use this for my better knowledge. You know your stuff.
Now, off to beat you to the last poster thread. :thumb:
Quote from: Suzuki Stevo on February 16, 2010, 12:25:43 PMAgreed, I did paint with a very broad brush, and I do know people that can ride a sport bike all day myself :cheers:
I also forgot to mention that I'd switch to handlebars from the clipons if I were keeping the SV on the street, haha. You definitely made good points, I just wanted to include the other side of the story :cheers:
Quote from: johnny ro on February 16, 2010, 07:04:13 PM
Quote from: badguy on February 16, 2010, 07:15:23 AM
I think I know what you're saying - do you mean to turn the adjuster screw until you see one butterfly open, then turn the adjuster screw the other way and count the number of turns until the other butterfly opens. Setting the adjuster screw halfway between these points will give you a pretty good synch. Is that the gist of it?
Yes, although I got it to where I could just feel the halfway point between two openings, was not deliberately counting like when I back out an idle air screw. Its not far to each side to see it move.
Cool, I tried it last night and there didn't seem to be enough movement in the adjuster screw to actually count turns, but like you said, I just went for the feel of the halfway point. Thanks :thumb:
I feel it all depends on your riding condition, if you regularly go on 300 mile trips, you can handle that on your bike, and with condition, you can always lose it and develop it. It took me a good month of riding before i could actually go on distant trips without feeling it in my ass and back. Which I will have to develop again this spring as I have plans of doing some long trips as both my siblings live over 200 miles away. Towards the end of last season i could ride for hours before I had finally had enough. And what I understand about the newer FZ1s is that they are essentially the same bike as the R1, but with a different riding position, but other than that motor and drive chain are the same. Which is why I think my next bike will be an FZ1. Although I have looked into Bandits.
Quote from: glynnd89 on February 17, 2010, 12:19:44 PM
I feel it all depends on your riding condition, if you regularly go on 300 mile trips, you can handle that on your bike, and with condition, you can always lose it and develop it. It took me a good month of riding before i could actually go on distant trips without feeling it in my ass and back. Which I will have to develop again this spring as I have plans of doing some long trips as both my siblings live over 200 miles away. Towards the end of last season i could ride for hours before I had finally had enough. And what I understand about the newer FZ1s is that they are essentially the same bike as the R1, but with a different riding position, but other than that motor and drive chain are the same. Which is why I think my next bike will be an FZ1. Although I have looked into Bandits.
Good points about the conditioning.
As far as the FZ1 - it's basically the same engine, but tuned a little differently. Still a monster though :thumb:
I know the original FZ1 was tuned differently, but i was informed that the 07s and up i believe is no difference in tuning. Heard this from a mechanic at the dealer, not a salesmen, so i assume the source is reliable.
Well, the new FZ1s don't have a crossplane crankshaft, so I know that's a big difference between them and the R1. Even if you look at the specs on Yamaha's website they quote different compression ratios. I think you might have to question your source :dunno_white:
Sorry for the threadjack :cheers:
Suzuki Stevo. How or what do you plug the extra hose with on the hard to get ports? Again thanks everyone for the great info.
Quote from: dread_au on February 20, 2010, 01:43:51 PM
Suzuki Stevo. How or what do you plug the extra hose with on the hard to get ports? Again thanks everyone for the great info.
Without looking I think I just put a screw in the end of the hose, I'm pretty sure that's what I did with the V-Strom anyway?